Brain teaser time... prove you aren't a brainlett. How do you make 100% sure that a secret is kept, with zero probability of the secret being "Leaked"?

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None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:06:45 2017 No.9392011 [DELETED]

Brain teaser time... prove you aren't a brainlett.

How do you make 100% sure that a secret is kept, with zero probability of the secret being "Leaked"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:12:33 2017 No.9392015 >>9392011 Killing everyone who knows about it including yourself

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:13:51 2017 No.9392017 >>9392015 >Killing everyone who knows about it including yourself are you sure that would be enough?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:14:11 2017 No.9392018 You'll have to define the parameters of the secret.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:17:20 2017 No.9392022 >>9392018 >You'll have to define the parameters of the secret. I already did... 0% chance of the secret being leaked. So that no one could ever know what the secret is. 100% secrecy.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:22:23 2017 No.9392025

>>9392022
Where did it come from?
What denotes a secret?
What about an open secret?
What if you learn secondhand, and have no way of finding out who else knows?
Who is capable of leaking the secret?
Are we only considering humans?
What about clandestine observers?
What about NSA listening through my phone's mic?

Give me some more information, or else the answer is delete the Universe.

None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:26:45 2017 No.9392027

>>9392025
>Where did it come from?

literally doesn't matter.

>What denotes a secret?

Information that is being hidden.

>What about an open secret?

contradictory definitions.

>What if you learn secondhand, and have no way of finding out who else knows?

ZERO FUCKING PERCENT

>Who is capable of leaking the secret?

anyone who is capable of knowing it, learning it, discovering it, etc...

>Are we only considering humans?

ZERO FUCKING PERCENT.

>What about clandestine observers?

ZERO

FUCKING

PERCENT

>What about NSA listening through my phone's mic?

ZERO FUCKING PERCENT

>Give me some more information, or else the answer is delete the Universe.

Finally figured it out, huh?

you win an internet, good sir.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:28:34 2017 No.9392029 >>9392027 What an awful thread.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:30:57 2017 No.9392031 >>9392029 >What an awful thread. It would be even worse if it was true, huh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:32:48 2017 No.9392032 Literally just don't tell anyone

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:35:32 2017 No.9392037 >>9392032 >Literally just don't tell anyone but what if they figure it out on their own?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:35:41 2017 No.9392038 >>9392011 You can't. By definition if a secret is kept then it can be accessed in some way. It can thus be leaked in the same way.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:36:52 2017 No.9392039 >>9392032 Remember... Zero percent.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:41:01 2017 No.9392040 >>9392038 >You can't. >By definition if a secret is kept then it can be accessed in some way. >It can thus be leaked in the same way. correct... so how do you keep a secret with zero percent chance of anyone finding out?

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:44:16 2017 No.9392043

>faggot thinks he's smart and witty because he saw some unfunny trick on TV, which he doesn't even fully understand
Delete this thread you waste of space, because there is no answer to your question and I bet you my mind that when you post the "answer" there are going to be dozen things wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:45:46 2017 No.9392045 >>9392037 That's irrelevant to secrecy. You don't try to keep anything secret that's public knowledge anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:50:15 2017 No.9392048 >>9392040 You kill yourself right after you hear it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:50:32 2017 No.9392049 >>9392031 It is true. Now kys

None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:50:55 2017 No.9392050

>>9392045
>That's irrelevant to secrecy.

is it?

>You don't try to keep anything secret that's public knowledge anyway.

>You don't

who doesn't?

I'm not asking you what would be reasonable, or humane, or whatever...

I'm asking you how to keep a secret 100% of the time, with ZERO percent chance of anyone finding out.

None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:52:40 2017 No.9392052

>>9392048
>You kill yourself right after you hear it.

that's partially true, but that doesn't answer the question of how to keep a secret 100% of the time.

someone else might find out, or discover it, or learn it on their own, or deduce it from first principle, or what have you....

Looking for an answer that means a ZERO percent chance of the secret being revealed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:55:29 2017 No.9392056 >>9392050 >someone finds a mountain >HEY GUYS MOUNTAINS EXIST >fuck that was supposed to be secret

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:56:13 2017 No.9392058

>>9392052
Wrong, brainlet. The act of successfully keeping a secret is entirely dependent on me. If originator of the secret fucks up it is not my fault and it does not mean I failed to keep the secret. But even killing yourself isn't 0% because with enough technology perhaps they could retrieve memories and even if you turn your brain to mush with enough technology (((they))) might still be able to reconstruct it. So it can never be 0% but you should kys anyway

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:56:16 2017 No.9392059 >>9392056 >>someone finds a mountain >>HEY GUYS MOUNTAINS EXIST >>fuck that was supposed to be secret exactly... so how do you keep a secret with zero percent chance of anyone finding out?

None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 06:59:39 2017 No.9392065
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>>9392058
>The act of successfully keeping a secret is entirely dependent on me.

can you guarantee that you will, 100% of the time, keep the secret?

Can you guarantee that it will NEVER come to light?

Can you guarantee that no one else will discover it on their own, without it even being leaked?

Zero percent chance, guys...

>If originator of the secret fucks up it is not my fault and it does not mean I failed to keep the secret.

That's irrelevant.... The mission statement is making sure no one else knows the secret.

>But even killing yourself isn't 0% because with enough technology perhaps they could retrieve memories and even if you turn your brain to mush with enough technology (((they))) might still be able to reconstruct it.

correct.

>So it can never be 0%

But we can still approach 0%, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:00:01 2017 No.9392066 >>9392059 >>9392052 >>9392050 I bet the answer to OP's retarded trick question is some semantical gotcha shit.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:02:14 2017 No.9392067 >>9392066 >I bet the answer to OP's retarded trick question is some semantical gotcha shit. No, the question has already been answered in this thread. >>9392025 >>9392027

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:03:48 2017 No.9392068 >>9392065 Keeping a secret implies knowing the secret which implies that it can't possibly be 0% ever. QED

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:05:18 2017 No.9392070

>>9392065
>But we can still approach 0%, right?

Not smoothly enough to allow some lim inf bullshit.

Though on a long enough timescale *everything* is a "secret" because it can't remain coherence in the face of universal heat death.

Only answer is to kill everyone and everything the moment you learn the 'secret'.

Brainless setup this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:07:41 2017 No.9392075 Why is OP such a fucking retard?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:09:08 2017 No.9392078 >>9392075 Yeah we know OP's a ginormous faggot. More pertinent to me is does nobody here know how to sage ffs?

None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:11:11 2017 No.9392080

>>9392068
>Keeping a secret implies knowing the secret which implies that it can't possibly be 0% ever. QED

Precisely... so the only way to successfully keep a secret is to destroy all sentience in the entire universe.

And then destroy the universe.

>>9392070
>Not smoothly enough to allow some lim inf bullshit.

You seem to be missing my point...

I'm not asking you if you THINK it's possible... I'm asking you how one would go about the attempt.

>Though on a long enough timescale *everything* is a "secret" because it can't remain coherence in the face of universal heat death.

But the secret needs to be kept on the short term as well, and further risk of the secret getting out must also be reduced.

>Only answer is to kill everyone and everything the moment you learn the 'secret'.

I keep telling you, that's not good enough.

only the destruction of the entire universe can satisfy the demands of secrecy to 100%.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:12:45 2017 No.9392083

>>9392080
>Precisely... so the only way to successfully keep a secret is to destroy all sentience in the entire universe. And then destroy the universe.
And since we aren't 100% certain that we won't get a new universe and be able to simulate this one up until the secret is told it isn't 0%

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:14:40 2017 No.9392084 >>9392083 >And since we aren't 100% certain that we won't get a new universe and be able to simulate this one up until the secret is told it isn't 0% exactly.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:16:33 2017 No.9392088

>>9392080
Massive faggotry. You have 0% chance of doing that.

Unless, maybe - just maybe - you believe in the personalised coherence of the observed universe being linked to an individual brain interpretation of Many Worlds QM theory. In which case kill yourself. Kill yourself is both the answer and the recommendation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:18:29 2017 No.9392094 just kys op then you will have 0% chance of finding out weather or not they find out the secret

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:19:20 2017 No.9392095 >>9392084 So you admit there's no satisfactory answer to your question.

None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:21:29 2017 No.9392098

>>9392088
>Kill yourself is both the answer and the recommendation.

but that wouldn't stop the secret from existing would it?

>>9392095
>So you admit there's no satisfactory answer to your question.

Only an approach... which is to destroy everything that exists, everywhere, for all time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:25:41 2017 No.9392103 >>9392098 >>9392094 of course op dosn't respond to my post destroying this logic

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:27:52 2017 No.9392104

>>9392098
Yes it would, if the agent that collapses the universes' wavefunction to the universe which contains the secret is (you).

Barring that you have no chance of "delet Universe", which is in turn your only chance of making zero chance of secret propagation.

So your best chance is to kill yourself. Pls do.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:36:34 2017 No.9392111 >>9392103 >of course op dosn't respond to my post destroying this logic You didn't destroy my logic, you agreed with me. >So your best chance is to kill yourself. Pls do. I'm not the one trying to keep the secret, you bonehead.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:38:18 2017 No.9392113 >>9392104 Fuck you destiny, you manlett brainlett. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbo7GJzgCN4

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:45:13 2017 No.9392117

>>9392111
You have no mechanism by which you can delet universe. That means your "0% chance" solution does not exist dumbass.

Exception being, a fringe solipsistic interpretation of QM. You go, universe goes.

The latter has a nonzero - if infinitesimal -chance of working. The former, none. So take the kys option.

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:47:45 2017 No.9392118 File: 778 KB, 500x281, coin.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9392117 >You have no mechanism by which you can delet universe. yet. Hey, have you ever seen one of these?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:54:46 2017 No.9392126 File: 1.08 MB, 480x270, 1500067174412.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9392118 So your solution doesn't exist. ""Yet"" humbug.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 07:55:49 2017 No.9392128 >>9392011 m a g i c

>>	None !niqjediPCA Mon Dec 25 07:59:02 2017 No.9392132 File: 2.01 MB, 512x288, anime tities.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9392126 >So your solution doesn't exist. ""Yet"" humbug. that's a cute picture, here's one for you!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 10:41:12 2017 No.9392267 i mean you could just not do things that are secretive

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 12:10:13 2017 No.9392420 Dont put the secret information anywhere not secure

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 12:16:17 2017 No.9392428 If we are using such generic terminology, then a secret is kept if it is given to a trusted party. Trusted special definition: adj. a thing which conforms to a policy which guarantees zero probability of the secret being "Leaked".

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 12:18:03 2017 No.9392430 >>9392011 burn the secret give yourself brain damage

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 13:23:27 2017 No.9392529 >>9392011 >prove you aren't a brainlet That would be a paradox

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 15:50:37 2017 No.9392809

Make up a long ass convoluted password for some site you will never use.

Don't enter the password. Only you know the password.

Never use the password. Smoke some weed.

Try to remember the password? Right, so was it my girlfriends's middle name, back to front, with the numbers 6 and 3 substituted for the vowels, followed by the last three digits of the phone number on my old mobile phone, followed by the name of my second dog with the number 15 tagged on the end?

Or was the password my girlfriend's mothers maiden name with a "g" added to the front and then followed by the reverse order of my grand parents dates of birth with the letters of my father's place of birth, minus the first and last letters, added to the back?

FUCK!

I dont see the problem here.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 17:07:45 2017 No.9392942

>>9392809
>assume that quantum immortality is true
>generate a random string of characters using a quantum number generator
>use that as a password
>kill yourself if access denied
>the only living version of you will be the one who got the password right
>profit
or not, there might still a version of you who never tried to do this stupid challenge. quantum immortality is retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 17:12:34 2017 No.9392949 >>9392011 encryption send a box with a lock on it the other person puts their own lock on it They send it back to you You unlock your lock and send it back They unlock their own lock with their private key I think this is private key encryption

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 17:20:48 2017 No.9392966 >>9392011 Everyone in this thread is fucking morons. The answer is to make the secret not a secret anymore it can't be "leaked" if everyone knows about it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 18:15:11 2017 No.9393057
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Tell the secret to a known liar.

When he is being asked about the secret
- either he will lie, and thus not leak it
- or he will tell the truth, but everyone believes it to be a lie, so nobody accepts his answer.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 18:53:06 2017 No.9393119

>>9392011
Literally impossible. You said no "one" is able to know it. No "one". So no entity in all the multiverse is allowed know the secret. That's impossible because some entity must conceive the secret in the first place, and will therefore, know the secret

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 18:59:22 2017 No.9393130 >>9392027 What if the many worlds interpretation is true and someone learned the secret in another universe? Also, shit thread OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 19:00:02 2017 No.9393134 >>9392011 Perfectly determine a thing that has a very large quantum commutator with the secret, uncertainty principle will handle the rest

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 19:01:10 2017 No.9393136 >>9392011 destroy the universe, duh oh wait

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 19:09:21 2017 No.9393159 >>9392011 You can't, it is impossible to get a 0% probability of anything except logical fallacies

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 19:22:07 2017 No.9393187 >flat earth thread gets deleted >this cancer remains on the front fucking page i wish every m*d on this god-forsaken website would die a slow and painful death

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 20:33:43 2017 No.9393283

>>9392011
To prevent secret being leaked you must destroy the secret.
If secret = x, then you delete it. Then, even if you tell others about x they will still get empty value since a is empty.
Depending on what secret is you may use different methods. If x is a thing, you have destroy it and any possible reference, if x is concept or word things will become harder since you will have to erase that concept from entire reference so nobody will be able to come up with that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 03:35:14 2017 No.9393801 >>9392942 well fuck, got to admit you got me good there. Obviously then the trick is never to have any secrets in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 04:12:49 2017 No.9393826 >>9392017 Yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 04:13:51 2017 No.9393828 >>9392025 >what denotes a secret Youre a faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 04:16:02 2017 No.9393829 >>9392011 Swallow cyanide. Problem solved. No idea why this was a brain teaser its blatantly obvious

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 05:04:13 2017 No.9393869 >>9392011 >Kill yourself before you can leak >Forget about the secret >Tell everyone about it. You can't leak an empty container

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 05:09:17 2017 No.9393874 >>9392011 Destroy the Universe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 06:18:25 2017 No.9393941 >>9392011 contradictory question it has already been leaked to yourself which means its not a secret anymore and therefore its absurd to ask how one might stop it being leaked le math error

Anonymous Tue Dec 26 06:42:40 2017 No.9393968

>>9392027
If it doesn't matter, then let the secret be me thinking of a number, and you finding out the number. To escape discovery, I don't think of it until I'm beyond the event horizon of a black hole. As long as you don't count blindly guessing correctly as knowing the secret, I'm good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 09:11:03 2017 No.9394194 >>9392011 you tell everyone the secret, it can't be leaked if everyone already knows. get outsmarted brainlet

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 09:16:29 2017 No.9394202 >>9392011 destroy the secret and everyone who knows it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 09:19:51 2017 No.9394207 >>9392011 destroy everyone who is able to comprehend the secret (right now or in future).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 09:43:09 2017 No.9394237 >>9392011 dropping the secret into a black hole, the information is lost forever

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