/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9384244]

Looking at STEM jobs. Why are scientists, mathematicians, programmers so liberal, but engineers, not?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/03/how-democratic-or-republican-is-your-job-this-tool-tells-you/

[Anonymous No.9384247]

>>9384244
Conservatives are practical

[Anonymous No.9384251]

I thought Engineers were gay?

[Anonymous No.9384253]

>not employed is considered in occupation
>it's one of the top for Democrats
Even the most /pol/ hating individual knows what demographic this is.

[Anonymous No.9384263]

>>9384244
You can tell how people with a certain job will lean politically with the following method;

If the job is useful, and worth while the employee will lean to the right.

If the job is useless, and worthless the employee will lean to the left.

This formula works every time.

[Anonymous No.9384270]

>>9384263
Not every time, I am studying mathematics, arguably the most useless field, but I lean to the right.

[Anonymous No.9384272]

>>9384270
Wow, you caught me off guard.

[Anonymous No.9384275]

>among the most democratic occupations
>not employed
lmao

[Anonymous No.9384276]

>>9384244
academia - or the intelligentsia if you like - is the faction of society most densely populated by liberal minded people, "science based" indoctrinates (i.e marxists) and revolutionaries

engineers are not academics; they are builders

actual conservative people (not many exist anymore) tend to prefer tactile, tangible and traditional livings like building, fixing and farming, all of which are - as it were - subsets of engineering.

[Anonymous No.9384277]

>>9384251
That was just a MEME you dip.

Also, engineers can feel the weight of their math. One slip and it is all bye bye. Also scientists tend to outsmart things that hurt conservatives. They know vaccines. They know robotics. They know stuff that makes life easy.

As for math, they really, honestly give no fucks. We try to protect them from themselves and others soley because they are literal autism gods and if they so choose to turn their heads to any other profession their sheer mental power tends to render whatever their focus is on into something so perfect that it makes everyone unemployed.
Programmers are mathematicians with autism under "Somewhat" a control.
An engineer is working at his desk in his office. His cigarette falls off the desk into the wastebasket, causing the papers within to burst into flames. The engineer looks around, sees a fire extinguisher, grabs it, puts out the flames, and goes back to work.

A physicist is working at his desk in another office and the same thing happens. He looks at the fire, looks at the fire extinguisher, and thinks "Fire requires fuel plus oxygen plus heat. The fire extinguisher will remove both the oxygen and the heat in the wastebasket. Ergo, no fire." He grabs the extinguisher, puts out the flames, and goes back to work.

A mathematician is working at his desk in another office and the same thing happens. He looks at the fire, looks at the fire extinguisher, and thinks for a minute, says "Ah! A solution exists!" and goes back to work.

[Anonymous No.9384281]

>>9384277
so basically engineers are vacuous automatons that start fires because they cant hold on to small objects correctly

[Anonymous No.9384286]

>>9384281

Are you taking a jab at engineers having small penises?

[Anonymous No.9384290]

>>9384281
They are quicker on the draw, notice that it takes longer to come up with a solution the higher on the chain.

I didn't see many mathematicians or physicists surviving Dead Space One or Two or Three.

[Anonymous No.9384294]

>>9384281

[Anonymous No.9384307]

>>9384290
I don't need to formulate solutions to problems that I would never actually begin in the first place

thats like praising niggers for being quickest off the mark to collect water in their buckets because they failed to invent a well

so niggers are quicker at finding niggersolutions to niggerproblems; so what? just dont be a fucking nigger in the first place

[Anonymous No.9384329]

>>9384251
I hate this retarded meme so much. Engineers are not gay, they just like fucking each other in the ass.

[Anonymous No.9384379]

>>9384244
Liberalism is associated with a higher IQ. Mathematics is associated with a higher IQ.

Conservatism is associated with a lower IQ. Engineering is associated with a lower IQ.

[Anonymous No.9384382]

>>9384270
so no job?

[Anonymous No.9384387]

>>9384244
>click on any /sci/ post
>racebaiting continues

memes aside everyone else here said the whole "respect for the tangible/practical" but i feel like some tradition/location plays a part of it.
engineering is probably a lot more employable in conservative america than research or software and kids are probably pushed into it more there than on the coasts, where the STEM meme went full force

[Anonymous No.9384392]

Because blue collar workers lean to the right.

[Anonymous No.9384420]

>>9384392
This. Engineering is not science, it is a profession. Granted, much more intellectually stimulating than being a plumber or electrician, but still a profession.

[Anonymous No.9384445]

>>9384244
Two hypotheses:

The cause and effect is the other way around. Conservatives are more likely to study engineering as it doesn't go outside their comfort zone.

Other: Engineers need certainty. Liberalism takes account of shades of grey. Conservatism is black or white. Which fits better?

[Anonymous No.9384453]

>>9384244
final proof that engineers are low iq trash on average
liberal views have been correlated with higher IQ in many studies

[Anonymous No.9384464]

>>9384244
Because engineers are brainlets.

[Anonymous No.9384496]

>>9384379
:thinking:

[Anonymous No.9384517]

>>9384453
Would you hire a Liberal to build a ship?

[Anonymous No.9384575]

>>9384270

See this.

[Anonymous No.9384592]

>>9384387
>>9384575
>implying there is no external bias in educational institutions due to the out of control media and political control of these schools. people who even bring up the other view point, without even arguing for it are ridiculed and publicly shamed for it. the dichotomy of these statistics has methodological errors in it

[Anonymous No.9384597]

>>9384244
Because engineers are primarily parasites in it for the money usually
Fortunately for them, the scientists who discover all their cash cows are selfless

[Anonymous No.9384615]

>>9384270
>Arguably the most useless field
You can't even larp correctly

[Anonymous No.9384641]

>>9384592
Translation to plebeian please?

[Anonymous No.9384647]

/pol/ was right
Pure maths and physics autists are actually brainlets.

[Anonymous No.9384668]

>>9384647
You are just hurt that they called you dumb. Despite the fact that without you they would not be able to sit behind their vast technological obelisks to smug at you.

[Anonymous No.9384669]

>>9384253
>one of the top
That doesn't mean it's one of the most populous occupations, it means it's one of the most democratic.

And it's likely skewed by unemployed rednecks being embarassed and putting down some bullshit "job" that they last did 20 years ago when the plant closed because of automation.

[Anonymous No.9384682]

By the way, this is data about number of donations given to political campaigns. It's only looking at the people who care enough one way or the other to donate.

[Anonymous No.9384685]

>>9384647
to be honest most of the actual neckbearded peabrained autismlords that exist nowadays are 14 year old atheists who discovered richard dawkins and being edgy on the internet last summer; thinking that chemical engineering is something you ought to do if you are a le redpilled alpha thats against le globalisation

indeed, you may have noticed i am describing the entirety of pol

it should occur to you that the vast majority of republican voters are
1: liberal
2: non-4chan users with jobs
3: home owning

tl;dr: chemical engineering is essentially weaponised autism in the year 2017 i shiggy diggy

[Anonymous No.9384691]

>>9384244
i’ll make it easy for the low verbal iq STEMlords:

engineering isn’t science and can be taught to any autist

maths and physics require exceptionally high iq’s to get hired in or get teaching positions in. engineers work for corporate america and build toys for the consumer base and the government

phyicists and mathematicians are uncovering the laws that govern the natural world, thought and life itself.

engineers are generally incapable of thinking abstractly. but quite practical and handy.

physicists and mathematicians are impracticle and neurotic

liberals are impracticle and neurotic and signficiantly higher iq than conservatives

engineering is a meme for people too smart for lib arts and too stupid for maths and physics

maths and physics is what the species does with its top 5 percentiles of intelligence.


there you go

[Anonymous No.9384707]

Scientists work for a fraction of what they could potentially make in industry. They give away their research for free. Selflessness = left leaning

Engineers work for industry using the methods that scientists come up with. They're paid well and they exist purely to make their corporate masters and themselves more wealthy. Hence right leaning

[Anonymous No.9384719]

>>9384445
>Liberalism takes account of shades of grey
>everybody is a nazi
>Conservatism is black and white
>every conservative disagrees with each other and there are a million kinds of conservatism

[Anonymous No.9384721]

>>9384691
>low verbal iq STEMlords:
>impracticle
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.9384724]

>>9384721
>rerouting this hard

[Anonymous No.9384731]

>>9384691
>low verbal iq STEMlords
>impracticle
the joke writes itself

[Anonymous No.9384733]

>>9384244
Because engineers have to del al with reality more directly than the others. Reality doesn't give a fuck about tour feelings, only about what works.

[Anonymous No.9384735]

>>9384731
>>9384724
still the most clear delineation of why engineers are republican conservatives and maths and physics nerds are liberal democrats. if it bothers you that i mispelled impractical twice you have autism

[Anonymous No.9384744]

>>9384735
>t. low verbal iq polka dance major

[Anonymous No.9384746]

>>9384744
>polka dance major
bee careful you’ll hurt yourself

[Anonymous No.9384747]

>>9384691
>making the implication that math is impractical by analogizing liberals and mathematics
this has to be fucking bait, go back to your baby board >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.9384753]

>>9384747
>t. extremely angry unemployed maths nigger
unless you pair that with finance or CS, yes, i’d say its pretty impractical.

[Anonymous No.9384761]

>>9384753
why are you here if you don't care about STEM? there are places much better suited for you

[Anonymous No.9384762]

>>9384685
>t. brainlet who failed calculus 1

[Anonymous No.9384796]

>>9384761
what? are you all that autistic and sensitive? i would cut off both my hands and my tongue to be good at maths. I just like teasing you, because you’re oversensitive, neurotic and gigantic spergs. I’m just pointing out obvious things like:

maths and physics majors have the highest iq’s of any group of humans on earth

engineers are demonstrably less intelligent but more practical people, and this is evidenced by their being hired consistently more often than the former group

conservatives are practical, but generally of a lesser degree of intellect than liberals

liberals rate higher in neuroticism and abstract thinking skills than conservatives, hence the atheism and openness.

maths and physics nerds are highly neurotic and also score higher in opennness than most of the gen pop

ergo, maths and physics majors are liable to end up being politically liberal.

that’s all that i meant to share. i was just mildly amused at how much spaghetti was being dropped, and how ill conceived most of the explanations being offered were. I had no intention of suggesting engineers aren’t useful or above average intelligence, they of course are much smarter than the average non-STEMlord. Nor was I trying to imply that maths and physics nigs aren’t themselves probably more practical than the average human. Of course they’re likely to be higher conscientiousness than a lawyer or banker, thus they’d by all measures be practical people. Its just that relative to engineers they’re probably less so. Why get upset? Its just a joke, have you never been teased before by people who are jealous of you? For fuck’s sake.

[Anonymous No.9384808]

>>9384762
i honestly dont understand where you get off on saying that at all

are you sure you understand the epic memes you are repeating anon?

[Anonymous No.9385223]

My dad is a former engineer (worked for general dynamics for 15 years). He's only a parrot of information, incapable of forming his own thoughts and ideas. Ultimately, he is a boot-licking cuck. That sums up my perspective of engineers.

I'm a junior in biochem and I am a nazi, will be going to grad school.

[Anonymous No.9385924]

>>9384796
Is this the new pasta?

[Anonymous No.9386508]

>>9384387
But SJW told me software engineer are neo Nazis.

[Anonymous No.9386523]

>>9384277
ebin post

[Anonymous No.9386671]

>>9384270
you study math and don't understand what an outlier is? good lord.

[Anonymous No.9388055]

>>9384379
Liberalism is associated with a lower IQ. Social Work is associated with a lower IQ.

Conservatism is associated with a higher IQ. Engineering is associated with a higher IQ.

[Anonymous No.9388089]

>>9384641

Schools are able to ensure that conservatives in academia are publically shamed or ridiculed for bringing up opposing viewpoints. Thus it is difficult to estimate the number of conservatives in academia because they hide their power level.

[Sage No.9388100]

>>9384244
Because the livelihood of a lot of engineers is helped by republican policy.

[Anonymous No.9388128]

>>9384244
(((they))) have a hard time forcing women into engineering

[Anonymous No.9388136]

>>9384244
Both of my families have a history of being liberal and having small political power in Europe, the US and North of South America (especially Europe) and most (all except my brother, still in college for graphic design, technically my sister too, public relations officer) have been scientists, engineers, dentists, chemists and lawyers, I really do not understand what you mean

(Also that's my brother)

[Anonymous No.9388137]

>>9388136
Crap, my brothers girlfriend, whatever

[Anonymous No.9388165]

what? are you all that autistic and sensitive? i would cut off both my hands and my tongue to be good at maths. I just like teasing you, because you’re oversensitive, neurotic and gigantic spergs. I’m just pointing out obvious things like:

maths and physics majors have the highest iq’s of any group of humans on earth

engineers are demonstrably less intelligent but more practical people, and this is evidenced by their being hired consistently more often than the former group

conservatives are practical, but generally of a lesser degree of intellect than liberals

liberals rate higher in neuroticism and abstract thinking skills than conservatives, hence the atheism and openness.

maths and physics nerds are highly neurotic and also score higher in opennness than most of the gen pop

ergo, maths and physics majors are liable to end up being politically liberal.

that’s all that i meant to share. i was just mildly amused at how much spaghetti was being dropped, and how ill conceived most of the explanations being offered were. I had no intention of suggesting engineers aren’t useful or above average intelligence, they of course are much smarter than the average non-STEMlord. Nor was I trying to imply that maths and physics nigs aren’t themselves probably more practical than the average human. Of course they’re likely to be higher conscientiousness than a lawyer or banker, thus they’d by all measures be practical people. Its just that relative to engineers they’re probably less so. Why get upset? Its just a joke, have you never been teased before by people who are jealous of you? For fuck’s sake.

[Anonymous No.9388391]

>>9384244
Because we aren't faggots.

>>9384247
A lot of them are quite stupid though, unable to understand that any practical matter is only as good as the theory behind it, especially on a larger scale.

>>9384276
>>9384796
These posts are quite spot on, I have noticed many times that conservative thinking takes away creativity, but the other end is just as bad though (SJWs).

Also we are talking about averages: there are less intelligent physicists and extremely intelligent engineers. This is another interesting thing: a practical engineer's worth is a lot more in business terms than a shit physicist's who can't really connect the theory. On the other hand an engineer who can do that easily usually ends up being a physicist too.
The old saying goes like this: "It's better to be a good engineer than a bad physicist, but it's better to be a good physicist than a good engineer."

[Anonymous No.9388427]

>>9384276
>intelligentsia
ah yes I see all the communists in shit tier colleges influencing politics at the top rather than just screeching autistically :^)

[Anonymous No.9388470]

>>9384270
nice triple layer bait

[Anonymous No.9388499]

>>9388165
>atheism
You just proved yourself to be an idiot. JUst because modern religions seem stupid doesn't mean there isn't an all mighty entity. You have zero proof to claim no god entity doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.9388504]

>>9384244
Because scientists, mathematicians, and programmers are actually smart

[Anonymous No.9388506]

>>9388504
>programmers
>smart
Topkek. The only people smarter than Engineers are Mathematicians, Physicists and emotionally Philosophers. Other branches of science like Biology have dimwits that cannot comprehend the slightest thing a ME or EE learn.

[Anonymous No.9388508]

>>9388506
>The only people smarter than Engineers are Mathematicians, Physicists and emotionally Philosophers
Literally howling at this post

[Anonymous No.9388511]

>>9388508

[Anonymous No.9388513]

>>9388511
Glad I can make you smile too sweetie :)

[Anonymous No.9388519]

>>9384244
the blue guys believe in global warming
the red guys do not

this is where the disparity comes from.

[Anonymous No.9388521]

>>9384244
Smart people tend to lean liberal.
Engineering is dirty and requires nothing but applying tools that you happened to learn and forgot about, and that doesn't really require intelligence.

[Anonymous No.9388524]

>>9388521
/thread

[Anonymous No.9388540]

Engineers are the business bro douches of STEM.

[Anonymous No.9388545]

>>9388521
>engineering is applying tools
My God, this board is fucking stupid, engineering technicians are not engineers. Engineers spend all there time in a fucking office not digging dirt or fucking fucking with engines in a shop. I'm starting to think the Euros here have zero understanding what the word engineer is or the definition is completely different from that of the US.

[Anonymous No.9388548]

>>9388545
Fuck off dumb yank

[Anonymous No.9388552]

>>9388545
Fagineer detected.

[Anonymous No.9388575]

scientists, mathematicians and programmers can make shit up, only engineers have their ideas tested by the harsh mistress of reality, engineers live in the real world so it is only natural that they have the correct opinions, they not only deserve the highest pay grades, they ought to be revered and respected like doctors

[Anonymous No.9388593]

>>9388548
>>9388552
how's high school?

[Anonymous No.9388601]

>>9388545
You're too retarded to notice that "applying tools" doesn't mean actually applying physical tools.

Not surprising from a wannabe engineer.

[Anonymous No.9388605]

>>9384329
It's not gay if they don't push back.
It's definitely not gay if you beat them up afterwards.

[Anonymous No.9388609]

>>9384244
I always found the difference in internal medicine and surgery a fun one. Neurologist for instance were 64% Democratic on this tool but Neurosurgeons were 71% Republican.

[Anonymous No.9388617]

>>9384277
Is this from Dr. Mcclean?

[Anonymous No.9388742]

>>9388601
>engineers apply tools
No, dipshit, they apply math and physics. A technician applies tools. For some reason the majority of /sci/ thinks the hvac repairman is an engineer. Not surprised since the word "engineer" has been irresponsibly used to describe careers that are not engineering. Legally you can't even call yourself an Engineer unless you have a PE but that doesn't stop people from doing it I guess.

[Anonymous No.9388748]

>>9388548
>>9388552
I wonder who could be behind these posts?

[Anonymous No.9389143]

Okay, so I guess we agree that mathematicians and physicists are the smartest people. But who is the smartest of these two?

[Anonymous No.9389159]

Those fields are overridden with academics, who tend to be serious idealists, as well as pro big government

Engineers are more on the realist, limited government pro industry side of things

[Anonymous No.9389161]

>>9388609

Probably couldn't be a better illustration of the dichotomy between academics and those in industry

[Anonymous No.9389212]

>>9384307
>I don't need to formulate solutions to problems that I would never actually begin in the first place
t. low IQ anon

[Anonymous No.9389213]

>>9388136
Start a blog about it then, faggot.

[Anonymous No.9389215]

engineering is economic by nature. If you live in a capitalist country you build what the capitalists hire you to. Science/math is about knowledge irrespective of economies.

[Anonymous No.9389262]

>>9384277
>being this triggered

[Anonymous No.9389857]

>>9384691
Hahahaha

[Anonymous No.9389862]

As a mathematician working as an engineer who happens to be a soft national socialist, where do I fit in?

[Anonymous No.9390053]

Petroleum and mining engineering are republicans, I am shocked.

[Anonymous No.9390105]

>>9389215
Look at the link above, economists are 75% democrats.

[Anonymous No.9390112]

>>9389862

>where do I fit in?

In the current 4chan generation.

[Anonymous No.9390114]

>>9389862
>mathematician working as an engineer

so you're an enginner
this is a bit weird for a national socialist though, as they tend to be pretty wicked smart on average

[Anonymous No.9390120]

I'd rather watch pop/sci/ trash than read this pol/sci/ threads. I'm glad net neutrality was appealed. I hope Gook moot makes you pay $50 a month per board you want to use. Simply to isolate the boards instead of having this awful mixed muddied mess. This isn't /sci/ related just because you're taking about STEM fields.

[Anonymous No.9390121]

>>9390120
back in the oven

[Anonymous No.9390123]

>>9390121
You can't even construct an efficient oven if you need to put someone back in there. /sci/ isn't for brainlets like you.

[Anonymous No.9390300]

>>9384270
Very good professionally created bait.

[Anonymous No.9391733]

>>9384719
Are you being ironic? You literally just posited a black and white viewpoint of the political spectrum of beliefs.

[Anonymous No.9392004]

>>9384517
Yes?

[Anonymous No.9392035]

>>9384669
>And it's likely skewed by unemployed rednecks being embarassed and putting down some bullshit "job" that they last did 20 years ago when the plant closed because of automation.
LMAO imagine being this far in denial
>m-muh rednecks

[Anonymous No.9392312]

>>9384244
I think the one of the main reasons why scientists and mathematicians are so liberal is that we're trained in academia, where the model is socialism, essentially. We all fight for grants that are doled out by the government; in other words, the government is controlling the "economy", more or less, rather than the private sector.

(For that matter, there really isn't much of a private sector for basic research. This comes down to an issue of semantics and what you or I define as "basic". But, with the exception of a few famed biotech behemoths like Genentech, there is not much basic research done which isn't funded by the NIH or NSF.)

What's funny about this to me, a conservative working on a PhD in a basic science field, is how intense the fight is for grants from the private sector. Most notably, the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. It's the largest and perhaps the most prestigious supporter of basic biomedical research in the US. Every year, something like 1000 or 1100 PIs apply to be one of the 30 or so selected to receive $1MM/yr in funding + $~250k/yr PI salary + administrative support + funding for equipment, discretionary funds for travel and other perks, etc. So, long story short, these academic scientists and researchers who bemoan the private sector and industry and what not are fighting and scraping for HHMI funding, and then if they are lucky enough to get it expect everyone else to bow to them.

[Anonymous No.9392320]

>>9384387
Wow, the people who spend most time digging through shit lean right!

[Anonymous No.9392338]

>>9390300
>>9388470
I wasn't bating though...
>>9386671
reread what was said, "works EVERY time" means there are no outliers whatsoever