/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9332465]

Donald is right.

[Anonymous No.9332473]

how is this even /sci/ ? go to >>>/lit/ or something

[Anonymous No.9332476]

>>9332465
fight for what ?

[Anonymous No.9332481]

>>9332476
the mouse believes he is free-willing

[Anonymous No.9332484]

>>9332473
what does /lit/ know about the universe?
they are literally the stupid mouse

[Anonymous No.9332492]

nondeterminism == free will makes no sense

[Anonymous No.9332530]

>>9332481
>>9332484

Yout have 2 choices: be a spineless little cunt refusing to prescribe value to anything out of fear, or prescribe value and work.

[Anonymous No.9332534]

>>9332530

Why can't I work while refusing to prescribe value to anything?

[Anonymous No.9332542]

>>9332481
believing that you have no free will usually goes with you just doing the easier option and being inactive and having low ability to delay gratification and less will power and determination in general\

can-do attitudes help you achieve more things that will make you feel better.

[Anonymous No.9332543]

>>9332534
Hypocrite that you are

[Anonymous No.9332544]

>>9332534

You certainly can, but the quality of your work will not come close to the quality of your work should you value what youre working on.

[Anonymous No.9332546]

>>9332534
that's hypocritical because internally you obviously do value things.

all you're doing is lying to yourself when you say "nothing is valuable"

[Anonymous No.9332552]

Yeah, empiricism requires an a priori of senses being true to the universe. Is there any point in assuming otherwise anyways?

[Anonymous No.9332607]

Where i ca find other?

[Anonymous No.9332677]

>>9332465
>be me
>be a collection of atoms
>atoms constantly changing
>a couple of years go by
>all atoms in my body are different ones
>be not me?

Also, if you're just chemicals; why don't you just an hero tonight? Go ahead, friend. Anything you bring up as worth living for are just your chemicals talking.
N e c k y o u r s e l f .

[Anonymous No.9332681]

>>9332677
>why don't you just an hero tonight?
because that would be the action of those chemicals and physical processes too.

Resistance is futile. It doesn't matter how you resist. You are not in control.

[Anonymous No.9332688]

>>9332677
there are more chemicals in my brain that make me not want to do that

[Anonymous No.9332750]

>>9332688
Perfect

[Anonymous No.9333438]

I saved this

[Anonymous No.9333455]

>>9332677
>Also, if you're just chemicals; why don't you just an hero tonight?
Because of survival promoting chemicals obviously. Having strong instinctual reactions against trying to kill yourself isn't evidence you secretly believe life is worth living.
Think before posting next time, thanks.

[Anonymous No.9333457]

>>9332465
The scientific explanation for life purpose is g a y.
If you want something more fun go to the humanities board an post this. Dualism in my opinion more rationally explains human life.

[Anonymous No.9333459]

How can one speak of value, if it doth not exist?

[Anonymous No.9333621]

>>9333455
>>9332688
>>9332681

Don't you realize how crazy this sounds? You think there are chemicals in your head conspiring with each other to pretend to be you? And they've also told you this?

For that to even be remotely possible, the chemicals themselves would have to be conscious.

[Anonymous No.9333633]

>>9333621
Just wow, I don't understand what the basis for this conclusion is but it's very clearly wrong, I'd love to help you understand better but I'm not even sure where you've gotten mixed up. Maybe search some YouTube videos on free will and determinism and free will? Try being open while listening to them if you actually care at all and try to make sure your conclusions are logically consistent, I wish you the best of luck, I really do.

[Anonymous No.9333676]

>>9332546
How so? Am I not allowed to recognize that nothing has value inherently but still place value on it myself through the systems of morals and values of derived?

[Anonymous No.9333679]

>>9332677
Too much smug downs syndrome in this post.

[Anonymous No.9333681]

>>9333633

I know these concepts well, they are both infinite regressions and lead nowhere. Infinite circular reasoning.

[Anonymous No.9333691]

>>9333459
The same way we talk about the number seven. Seven means just as little as value outside of context.

[Anonymous No.9333697]

>>9333681
Assuming you're the same person I was initially responding to, you clearly do not, I'm saying that as someone who isn't trying to be an asshole or troll either, you're pretty clearly having a different conversation than everyone else is the thread, sorry. Again I wish you the best.

[Anonymous No.9333716]

>>9332465
Donald is never right. You should already know this.

[Anonymous No.9333752]

>>9333697

You wish me the best or your chemicals do?

You must take some comfort in passing all responsibility to chemicals that are supposedly out of your control.

[Anonymous No.9333772]

>>9333716

[Anonymous No.9333777]

>>9333772
Damnn fucking 2012 nostalgia right there. Can't believe that was over half a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.9333819]

>>9333752
It's not me who you are arguing with, I'm just trying to promote a better understanding dude. The whole idea of "it's chemicals" is an oversimplification at best.

[Anonymous No.9333853]

>free will exists
You have to be literally brainless to believe this.
Pic related, literally every single philosocuck ever

[Anonymous No.9333857]

>>9333853
>literally every single philosocuck
>implying philosophy requires free will

[Anonymous No.9333895]

>>9333676
Of course...but that's not what you said so why are you saying something completely different to a reply that was replying to what you previously said?

[Anonymous No.9333898]

>>9333819

Saying "it's chemicals" doesn't explain anything, but it means you don't have to take responsibility for anything you do any more. But it also means no one can, so if someone deliberately chops your foot off, it's not their fault, it's those chemicals, so why should they be punished?

>>9333853
If we don't have freewill then how do you know what it means?

[Anonymous No.9333915]

>>9333898
>means
Spooked to shit. Everything happening itt was preset to happen long ago.

[Anonymous No.9333918]

>>9333898
>But it also means no one can, so if someone deliberately chops your foot off, it's not their fault, it's those chemicals, so why should they be punished?
Assuming you're still in school, maybe sign up for a criminology course. "Punishment" isn't the only criminal law paradigm. You can sentence people without needing to assert they personally did something immoral.
Also deterence doesn't depend on any belief in free will. Without free will deterence still could work, it's just a way of influencing behavior.

[Anonymous No.9333982]

>>9333676
you don't really believe that nothing is valuable if you value things.

what distinction are you making when you add the proviso of "inherent" ?

[Anonymous No.9333984]

See David Deutsch.

We have no explanation of the nature of reality in either what we consider the “physical” or the “mental” sense.

Physics describes a system of what seem to be regular correlations given that we assume that something like an “objective physical world” exists. But then those correlations themselves seem to be so strange that we can barely make sense of them at this point.

We have no explanation for why mental states correlate with physical states “in” human brains (if that’s where mental states “are”), or anywhere else. So we have no explanation for the origin of physical or mental processes, and thus trying to argue that they are “meaningful” or “meaningless” are both irrational. We simply have no system for evaluating these claims at this time.

[Anonymous No.9334038]

>>9333984
>But then those correlations themselves seem to be so strange that we can barely make sense of them at this point.
What the fuck are you talking about? You do realize you were only able to communicate that opinion specifically because the physical world makes a shit ton of sense and is highly predictable to the point where an elaborate telecommunications network and automatic computation devices can be put together in the first place, right?
The "weird" stuff gets all the popsci attention because people love obsessing over exceptions, but don't overlook the vast majority of physical world phenomena that work exactly how we expect them to, with such a high degree of fidelity that massive technological infrastructures can be built up around the reliable expectation that physics will continue modeling our world accurate to more than enough detail than we could ever reasonably need.

[Anonymous No.9334332]

>>9333895
No I didn't. You're talking to more than one person.

[Anonymous No.9334336]

>>9333898
>Saying "it's chemicals" doesn't explain anything, but it means you don't have to take responsibility for anything you do any more. But it also means no one can, so if someone deliberately chops your foot off, it's not their fault, it's those chemicals, so why should they be punished?


I never said "it's chemicals" I specifically said that it was an oversimplification at best to say that. How does it mean you don't have to take responsibility for what you Do? No it doesn't mean it's not their fault. What is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.9334339]

>>9333982
I dont know man, maybe Google that word and you'll find out.