/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9322483]

My dad is thoroughly convinced that perpetual energy machines exist. I dont believe that such a thing can exist in an actual reality. I've tried explaining that you cant just put a windmill on a car while driving and drive forever on the power generated from the windmill while the car is in motion, while he disagrees to the point where he threw a tantrum and broke the front door to the house in rage while calling "a fucking stupid idiot that doesn't know shit."

Aside from not bringing that kind of situation up again, how can i explain to him that perpetual energy machines simply do not exist. Something else to note is that this is the same man that believe muslims control the weather all over the world from their cube.

[Anonymous No.9322486]

Just leave your retarded dad. Probably you're not even his child, all evidence points to him being a cuckold.

[Anonymous No.9322490]

>>9322486
Lmao

>>9322483
Just use google or the sqt

[Anonymous No.9322496]

I honestly feel sorry for you.
Some people cannot be convinced by any amount of evidence.
You didn't give us a hint of how old you are, but I hope you can get away soon.

You _could_ ask him why ExxonMobile is so profitable if energy was free -- but that risks starting another freak-out.

[Anonymous No.9322502]

>>9322483
Convince him to make the machine lol
He'll find out eventually, or die wasting his time.

[Anonymous No.9322508]

>>9322496
He brought up oil companies buying the patents for these so called perpetual energy machines, and asked why they would do that, and I said
>"Because they dont want people making their own energy"
But before i could continue he went on and on about how stupid I am, without letting me finish with
>"because they would use such engines to just magically make energy out of nowhere and still charge for it, which why dont, because they dont exist."

For all I know, perpetual engines could exist in some fashion, against all logic, however the fact that I know he's basing all this knowledge he thinks he has on hearsay, tabloids, and strange websites, really kills any credit he may or may not have had.

Hell, for all I know, his idea of a perpetual engine is an engine that just runs on water, which still wouldnt be one, but in his mind that could be exactly what hes referring to.

[Anonymous No.9322509]

>>9322483
>falling for the jewish physics meme
What are you a numale cuck?

[Anonymous No.9322511]

>>9322483
You think that's bad? Try living with someone who has a debilitating, self-destructive, even suicidal case of delusional parasitosis and refuses to recognize negative diagnoses and lab results even when you explain them carefully in full. Try explaining to her that the apparent lack of effect from mainstream medical treatments is only further sign that her condition is not parasitic, if it's even real at all. Try watching her spend literally every waking hour sobbing to herself, applying bullshit snake-oil treatments and probing for imaginary bugs and every random speck of dirt with Q-tips and a shitty USB microscope. Try listening to her say she "can't go on like this" through the tears when you know full-well that "this" is entirely in her head.

I'm probably going to have to have my own mother committed. Or worse, wake up one morning and find her dead next to an empty bottle of pills. Your problems ain't shit, anon.

[Anonymous No.9322515]

>>9322483
>threw a tantrum and broke the front door to the house
>believe muslims control the weather
If it was just the perpetual motion it wouldn't be a big deal, but you're clearly dealing with a mentality similar to a /pol/tard. As you should know by now, it's simply pointless to "argue" with those.
Don't be an autist yourself, just let him be wrong, none of this is actually important in either of your lives.

[Anonymous No.9322526]

>>9322511
My mom is almost similar, she has this issue where, despite working in a hospital, uses webmd for everything, and ill get calls at all hours of the night and day with her bawling because she has nine types of cancer and hepasyphilaids A through Z and will be dead by the end of the month.

>>9322515
I can't help but argue, because its really the only thing we have in common. i'm a shut-in, hes a partier, I sit at my computer when not at work, he tinkers with cars, he rents a prostitute two or three times a week, im celibate and find sex repulsive. Aside from a handful of other things like hot sauce and sleep, the only thing we got in common is a love to argue.

[Anonymous No.9322527]

>>9322511

Have you considered grinding antipsychotics into her food or anything?

[Anonymous No.9322529]

>>9322511
Ask her to show vagene first.

[Anonymous No.9322541]

>>9322483
the whole universe is perpetual energy machine

[Anonymous No.9322542]

>>9322483
>My dad is thoroughly convinced that perpetual energy machines exist.
Tell him you know it's true because his mouth is a perpetual motion machine and it's running on nothing.

[Anonymous No.9322548]

>>9322527
Yeah, amongst other options. Not sure how I'd go about getting them though.

At present I'm leaning towards an intervention with an ultimatum - open up to the possibility that she's delusional and begin psychiatric treatment voluntarily, or else be involuntarily committed. The rest of my family seems even more confrontation-averse than I am though. I suppose I'm willing to be the bad guy if that's what it takes but I have to work up the nerve first.

[Anonymous No.9322557]

>>9322483
>I dont believe that such a thing can exist in an actual reality.
If something from nothing is impossible, how come something exists?

[Anonymous No.9322563]

You can not un-retard him.
Your only hope is to get him to build his imaginary machine.

[Anonymous No.9322566]

>>9322541
Do you really believe that crap?

[Anonymous No.9322575]

>>9322508
>oil companies buying the patents

A patented perpetual machine would actually be something wonderful. You see, patents are, by their very essence, public. In this case you could a) demand the patent name and number and b) build a sample for study and further development. Such use is totally allowed on patents, but you could not use the invention for commercial purposes. Furthermore, patents expiry, since that is their nature - they provide for the inventor an exclusive use for certain time, after which everybody can use the novel idea. They are an agreement between inventor and society.

A working perpetual motion machine patented would spell tremendously good times ahead! But, well, since they do not exist...

[Anonymous No.9322596]

>>9322526
>he tinkers with cars
Allow him to build a perpetual motion machine, watch him fail. Easy peasy

[Anonymous No.9322602]

>>9322575
Not quite right.
If you make a patented apple peeler and use it in your kitchen, I doubt you'll get into trouble.
If you build a multi-million dollar rotary web-press, you'll be sued even if you don't use it commercially or sell it.

There are, actually, several patented perpetual motion machines. The US patent office dropped the requirement for working models long ago. Lack of storage space.
You can get the plans for the machines easily enough. None of them work, of course.

http://blog.patentology.com.au/2015/04/patenting-perpetual-motion.html

[Anonymous No.9322747]

>>9322602
I still beg to differ slightly. No research department has ever been sued for building a working perpetual motion machine for any purpose, notwithstanding price or other expenses.

However, for the fundamental reason why this is so, we can probably agree completely.

[Anonymous No.9322762]

>>9322747
Agreed.
I meant the part about "ok to build patented item so long as you don't commercialize it".

Things are getting worse. Companies using DMCA to claim you can't even _study_ their product. John Deere sues anyone but an Authorized Deere Service Center who tries to look "under the hood" and fix tractor they've bought and paid for.

[Anonymous No.9322785]

>>9322542
OP's dad BTFO

[Anonymous No.9322919]

>>9322483
Actually, you can put a windmill on a car. If there's enough wind, you can drive forever. You really don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.9322924]

>>9322747
>>9322762
Ameritards tend to forget that most of the world isn't america.
People build and commercialize patented items it all the time. There are billion dollar companies in China whose entire business plan is to shamelessly copy Apple products (or indeed John Deere equipment). They can't sell it globally but nobody gives a fuck because there's more potential consumers in China than america and europe combined.

It's an undeniable fact that if a patent for something revolutionary existed, China would be mass producing it already

[Anonymous No.9322954]

>>9322483
>you cant just put a windmill on a car while driving and drive forever on the power generated from the windmill while the car is in motion
Generators on yachts are pretty fucking close. With electric motors where they are it wouldn't surprise me at all if drone boats could sail perpetually without recharging. That's not really perpetual energy ofcourse.

[Anonymous No.9322974]

>>9322483
Just show him that the work that comes out of the system is lower than the work put into a system. The ratio of the two should be less than one, so it "loses" energy over time as it runs. To be perpetual, the efficiency would have to be greater than one. That is an easy example, just set up the problem

[Anonymous No.9323002]

>>9322483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-QgGXbDyR0

[Anonymous No.9323082]

>>9322511
She probably has OCD, you need to get her mental help before she goes completely bonkers

[Anonymous No.9323090]

>>9322483

Horizontal Magnetic Levitation - Room Temperature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbQTVhJFEok

[Anonymous No.9323106]

>>9323090

[Anonymous No.9323113]

>>9322483
>Something else to note is that this is the same man that believe muslims control the weather all over the world from their cube.

wait, we don't?

[Anonymous No.9323121]

>>9323090

Cherubim drive internals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-tHRDkfWdE

[Anonymous No.9323122]

>>9323121
>>9323090

Vimana Internals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVG-DcbrhQ4

[Anonymous No.9323126]

>>9323122

[Anonymous No.9323128]

>>9323122
>>9323121
>>9323090


Can you hear the music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSM05vLQZo

[Anonymous No.9323134]

>>9323128
>>9323122
>>9323121
>>9323090


As above so below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AP8yL1qBpw

[Anonymous No.9323217]

>>9322483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBxpn6odtcA

Fnord.

[Anonymous No.9323294]

>>9322511
>Your problems ain't shit, anon.
So you're problems are bigger therefore my back doesn't hurt? I'm sure your situation is insufferable but come on, you have to be able to see that this person is having a real issue right?

[Anonymous No.9323333]

>>9322548
Make the confrontation happen, I know it hurts but she needs this, I know you want her to be hapoy, you clearly care deeply about her and I respect that, the only way she's going to get better is get help, try telling her that if she goes through with it that doesn't mean it's not real, make sure she knows that if normal medicine has failed her this could lead her to a cure even if it's not in her head.

[Anonymous No.9323335]

>>9322557
Becuase "nothing" has properties beyond our understanding. Truly "nothing" like "outside" of the universe doesn't have to fit our understanding of the rules of nature.

[Anonymous No.9323343]

>>9322919
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.9323347]

>>9322954
I dont know, i feel it would be in reason for drone ships in theory but im fairly sure anon is refering to sticking wind turbines ontop of your car and using the power generated by driving the car at high speed to continue to drive at high speed forever.

[Anonymous No.9323355]

>>9323082
No, she's suffering from a delusion, OCD wouldn't cover what she has nut I could see her with it aswell, easily.

[Anonymous No.9323453]

>>9322483

>how can i explain to him that perpetual energy machines simply do not exist.

Start off by not showing him this quote.

[Anonymous No.9323456]

>>9323343
Sailboats are a thing my man.

[Anonymous No.9323465]

>>9323453

Also, don't mention zero-point energy and electrogravitics. Be sure to convince him it's all pseudoscience perpetuated by frauds, and that there isn't a shred of legitimacy to any of it.

[Anonymous No.9323466]

>>9323456
Thank you for confirming that you are indeed too stupid to answer the question that was asked. Thank you. Please leave now.

[Anonymous No.9323468]

all me

[Anonymous No.9323469]

>>9322483
Your dad is schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.9323470]

>>9323465

We wouldn't want your pa to entertain any wild ideas.

[Anonymous No.9323471]

>>9322483
there is nothing you can do, just do not talk about it, avoid such subjects.
If your dad insists, ask him respectfully to agree to disagree

[Anonymous No.9323476]

>>9323453

Don't show him this meme either.

[Anonymous No.9323478]

>>9322511
That's just bipolar disorder, jackass.

[Anonymous No.9323484]

>>9323453
>>9323465
>>9323470
>>9323476

But the best solution would probably be to reprimand your dad for wrongthink.

[Anonymous No.9323491]

>>9323484

[Anonymous No.9323521]

>>9322511
:’(

[Anonymous No.9323528]

>>9323333
Quads of truth. Anon, as having a mom with depression and bipolar disorder, ultimatums are the only way they’ll ever get serious about something

[Anonymous No.9323705]

>>9323294
Everyone who doesn't have multiple stage 4 cancers can leave the hospital now, since we only care about the very worst of problems. We've fixed healthcare!

[Anonymous No.9323710]

>>9323491
>alien reproduction vehicle
Is this a weird sex thing?

[Anonymous No.9323729]

>>9323343
No, I'm not. Are you retarded?
>>9323456
It's even easier to accomplish when you have wheels on the ground.

Just connect your windmill to the wheels with a proper gearbox.

[Anonymous No.9323735]

>>9323090
>perpetual motion machine
>does no work
>stops

I don't think you know what these words mean.

[Anonymous No.9323740]

>>9322511
>>9322526
>>9322527
>>9322529
>>9323082
>>9323528
>>9323705

There is no such thing as schizophrenia.
http://www.newsweek.com/concept-schizophrenia-coming-end-655207

[Anonymous No.9323748]

>>9322483
There are things that cannot be fixed anon.

[Anonymous No.9323766]

>>9322483
You simply can't. I recommend you have him committed because he's a danger to you and others, or simply dose him up real good with a heroic amount of mescaline.
The trip should either wipe all the crazy away or push him into full-blown psychosis, in which case it would be even easier to have him committed.

You have a shitty dad, and you're a fucking loser for staying with him. I bet he became lucid for a second, he'd tell you just the same -- you're fool for putting up with him.

[Anonymous No.9323800]

>>9322483
if he got THAT upset about the idea I doubt there's any way to change his mind

[Anonymous No.9323804]

>>9323090
you know that an object floating a few cm above an object is energetically equivalent to an object sitting directly atop an object, right? The only difference is that magnetism acts across larger distances than electronic forces (ie. the repulsion of valence electrons of the surfaces of the two objects). If you "zoomed in" close enough on a block sitting on a table, it would very much still be "floating;" it would just be floating a few nanometers instead of a few centimeters.

[Anonymous No.9323816]

>>9323740
Oh so she really does have undetectable parasites? Good to know. You cured mental illness anon.

[Anonymous No.9323817]

>>9322511
You need to figure out what has triggered this problem and hope it isn't genetic. You may not end up with the same problem regardless, but you may have other issues. Knowing is half the battle.

Also, you are using a logical fallacy for, "Your problems ain't shit, anon."

[Anonymous No.9323823]

>>9323740
>newsweek

*inhales*

[Anonymous No.9323856]

>>9322483
> Something else to note is that this is the same man that believe muslims control the weather all over the world from their cube.
Please elaborate more on this. Because I really want to know why he thinks its the Muslims behind this and not the classic tried and trued scapegoat of the Jews.

[Anonymous No.9323859]

>>9323856
All Abrahamic religions are jewish shit desu.

[Anonymous No.9323871]

Honestly perpetual motion isn't that stupid of an idea. Plenty of things can produce work using absent energy and noise. Biology uses brownian motors all the time

[Anonymous No.9323931]

>>9323122
this guy is making really good science.

[Anonymous No.9323967]

>>9323871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_ratchet#Why_it_fails

[Anonymous No.9323976]

>>9323967
I said brownian motor not ratchet. They're seen all over biology

[Anonymous No.9323991]

>>9323871
Brownian motors are not perpetual. They consume ATP.

[Anonymous No.9323995]

>>9322511
>relative privation

[Anonymous No.9324224]

>>9322483
Show this to your dad, it is probably the only "free energy" device of interest that will shape the next generation of magnetic based technology (everything).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O75gkskkkZ8

I could banter about muh laws of thermodynamics and whatnot, but the fact is that you will NEVER create something from nothing. That being said, you CAN move what energy is already there by the use of pressure mediation. Everything works of pressure mediation; low/high, hot/cold, implosion/explosion, It's only a matter of how "efficient" you can use the energy. The energy never disappears, it just turns into another form waiting to be used by something that can unlock it's potential.
And there is a shitload of potential, even in the smallest amount of dust on your floor.

[Anonymous No.9324281]

>>9322483
your dad is a brainlet, wich explains this post

[Anonymous No.9324303]

>>9324224

This is one of the dumbest videos I've seen in weeks.

Thanks you

[Anonymous No.9324305]

>>9323871
>noise is not energy
retard plz

[Anonymous No.9324309]

>>9323871
>Biology uses brownian motors
they are quimically powered, and those chemicals gain power from the sun as almost every energy does somehow.

[Anonymous No.9324333]

Your dad is hopelessly mentally ill. There's nothing you can do abiut that. You, too, are mentally ill, because of your obsessive/addictive involvement in your dad's mental illness. There are things you can do about that. But that's your problem.

[Anonymous No.9324350]

>>9323871
actually i read about this thing and it makes sense, only that i duobt it could be moved by such small particles (wich i would like to know why they move)

[Anonymous No.9324351]

>>9323478
it's called being a hypochondriac, which is closely related to bipolar disorder...

[Anonymous No.9324359]

Maybe you should quit being a fucking stupid idiot that doesn't know shit.

[Anonymous No.9324363]

>>9322511
Going through nearly the same thing with my mom. I'm 25 and Just want her to snap out of it. I don't have a choice I dont think I could leave her, but getting help is hard she doesn't want to try and cries wolf whenever we try take her to a specialist that might reveal her true condition. She has PTSD from getting beat the death and then resuscitated about 20 years ago. No idea what to do.

[Anonymous No.9324372]

>>9323484

>that one about the hills

Those hills aren't hills, they're 5km tall mountains. Without an atmosphere to introduce distance haze, you can't tell how far away stuff is. The astronauts actually experienced this a lot, deciding to go check out a nearby waist-tall rock only to realize it's a far away house sized boulder, or being careful to avoid falling into a crater that is over 500 meters away.

If the Moon were a perfect sphere, then its horizon would be much closer. However, 'much closer' is still several dozen kilometers, compared to the hundred or so standing on the Earth.

>Why doesn't the rover have tracks

It does, they're in the photo, they're hard to see because of the lighting.
Also the astronauts are off the rover because they're taking samples further form the landing site, which is the point of the rover in the first place.

>why is the rover different from mission to mission

Because they're different rovers, and after each mission the design was modified to make it better.

>shadows

The LEM shadow is falling on flat ground. The foreground objects are on a slope. Also none of those colored lines even line up to the fucking shadows lol.

[Anonymous No.9324449]

>>9322483
Perpetual energy exists inside black holes.

[Anonymous No.9324580]

I did honestly believe in this stuff and was probably nearing a state of psychosis, but a friend of mine experienced a legit one with hospitalization and became very sceptical after that (although kinda bored and seemingly less happy), inspiring me to become one too to some extend. Although i like to play around with that stuff because that kind of world view is more fun. If not real, it would be kinda cool if it were real.

[Anonymous No.9324642]

>you cant since we dont know if they exist

[Anonymous No.9324735]

>>9322924
>China would be mass producing it
pretty much

or you would see lawsuits, also public record

[Anonymous No.9324776]

>>9322511
Yeah, well my father locked himself in a room with a double barreled shotgun and pulled the trigger. I was 9 years old and in the next room.
Take a number and get in line. Pussy.

[Anonymous No.9324791]

>>9322508
hes misunderstanding oil companies buying out alternative energy patents.

[Anonymous No.9324803]

>>9323804
no, if you zoomed in youd get no physical things just fields

[Anonymous No.9324818]

>>9322483
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

If he accepts these then he doesn't accept perpetual motion, if he doesn't accept these he lives in fairy land and you can't discuss further. That's the long and short of it

[Anonymous No.9324855]

>>9324309
Yes I know that, but for all intents and purposes sustainable motions from ambient energy is basically free energy

[Anonymous No.9325265]

>>9322548
the problem with psychiatry is they won't help anymore if they ever did. idk if therapy exists anymore with people trying to just talk to you. they have you list your symptoms then perscribe you anti psychotics now. that's it. if you try to help in some other way they'll tell you to stop or they won't prescribe anymore pills. all the pills do is sedate you too. they will most likely still have all the delusions and hallucinations

[Anonymous No.9325279]

>>9323090
>
>>9323121
>>9323122
>>9323128

go back to /x/

[Anonymous No.9325287]

>>9323456
doesnt even know difference between harnessing energy that is not a constant and producing more energy than is required to continue a function indefinitely

[Anonymous No.9325293]

>>9322483
is this your dad?

[Anonymous No.9325329]

>>9325293
unironically though, why would that not work?

[Anonymous No.9325356]

the post above me is ironic don't even bother

[Anonymous No.9325365]

>>9325356
im not though
im just dumb

[Anonymous No.9325541]

>>9325329
kys

[Anonymous No.9326358]

>>9325329
the magnet on the car is attracting the one on the hook equally as much as the other it
they cancel eachother out, and prevent movement

[Anonymous No.9326362]

>>9322483
try calling him a brainlet and telling him to kill himself, that usually works.

[Anonymous No.9326510]

>>9322548
Just use Muslim cube magic to cure your mother through the power of allah

[Anonymous No.9326563]

>>9322508
No. You literally cannot escape entropy.

[Anonymous No.9326588]

>>9325265
>they have you list your symptoms then perscribe you anti psychotics now.
You are looking for Cognitive Behavior Therapy, not pills. CBT is talk therapy.

[Anonymous No.9326631]

>>9325329
Actio est reactio.

[Anonymous No.9326771]

>>9322542
/thread

[Anonymous No.9326785]

>>9322483
You'll have to find it for yourself, but Feynman gave a brainlet-level lecture on why perpetual motion is impossible. It comes replete with line drawings for the cognitively impaired and traces of humour for those in need of distraction.

[Anonymous No.9326796]

>>9322483
Technically, perpetual motion machines exist and aren't that hard to make. Introducing kinetic energy to a frictionless system will cause it to move forever (like the classic example of a spinning top in space). The problem arises when someone tries to remove energy from the system: they're only going to receive at best (perfect transfer of energy) the energy they put in.
A couple of years ago my dad got into the idea of a perpetual motion device. I explained that it's not practical using this line of reasoning and it shut him up pretty quick. Of course, my dad doesn't throw destructive fits.
(What's your front door made of? Mine's reinforced with steel and you'd have to be pic related to get through it without a sledgehammer.)

[Anonymous No.9326869]

>>9324791
This is actually a thing. There was one man who said he had figured perpetual motion or something like it. I saw him on a re-run of Johnny Carson months ago. I remember hearing that it was all refuted and he was a scam artist. Idk.

[Anonymous No.9326926]

>>9326796
From Wikipedia: "A machine uses power to apply forces and control movement to perform an intended action." Can we call a system we can't use for work a "machine"?