/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9309313]

Tell me it's a lost alien spaceship, /sci/.
Tell me we will send an expedition to retrieve it.
Tell me we will study its mindboggling tech.
Tell me this is the dawn of human spacefaring.
Please.

[Anonymous No.9309321]

It's a celestial spliff
>dude weed lmao

[Anonymous No.9309322]

>>9309313
Its none of those things. You will die alone. There is nothing after death.

[Anonymous No.9309323]

>>9309313
What the heck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.9309328]

>>9309313
its shit

[Anonymous No.9309459]

>>9309313
There is no way for us to catch it, sadly.

In fact, by the time the James Webb Telescope is online it will probably be far beyond observational range.

[Anonymous No.9309539]

Happy Trails crazy interstellar Asteroid

good luck on your travels, hopefully you crash into an alien world in a billion years

[Anonymous No.9309574]

>>9309459
No, we could do it. We could send a spacecraft to flyby it:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.03155

It'd be fucking nuts, but we could do it.

[Anonymous No.9309724]

>>9309313
>>9309322
I want off this fucking planet.

[Anonymous No.9309894]

>Spend bajillions of dollars on super advanced spaceship to retrieve it
>Years of mission time later
>Uh Houston, It's a fucking rock

[Anonymous No.9309902]

>>9309313
>Tell me it's a lost alien spaceship, /sci/.
Maybe. It's certainly not shaped like a natural asteroid.
>Tell me we will send an expedition to retrieve it.
Nope, it's already on its way out of the solar system and is going too fast to catch up.
>Tell me we will study its mindboggling tech.
We're never going to get a closer look at it than we already have.
>Tell me this is the dawn of human spacefaring.
Nope.

[Anonymous No.9309903]

It's a shame we didn't see it coming and have something waiting.

Using it as a free ride to Pegasus would have been neat.

[Anonymous No.9309918]

Guys... Think about it. This thing speeds by our planet incredibly fast, comes outta nowhere.

And a few days later Earth is bombarded. I hope you said goodbye to your loved ones. Shit is about to get real. Very real.

[Anonymous No.9309951]

>>9309313
Even if it were an ayy lmao we'll never send an expedition in time. I can't wait for possible images though.

[Anonymous No.9309960]

>>9309894
Well, it being a rock will still be very useful in terms of studying the universe but yeah, it would cost way too much to justify.

[Anonymous No.9309973]

>>9309951
Hubble better send us something really good.

The more cylindrical, the more earth-shattering it will be.

[Anonymous No.9310018]

>>9309960
Unless it was full of alien tech.

Putting probes on asteroids and flinging them out in to space would be a cheap way to get out there

[Anonymous No.9310028]

>>9309313
are you retarded?
it's just a regular asteroid lmao

[Anonymous No.9310039]

>>9309313
isnt it just an asteroid ?
why do we jump to the immediate conclusion of being evidence of extra terrestrial life just because it didnt come from our solar system ?

[Anonymous No.9310041]

>>9310028
well yes and no.

it's probably just a regular asteroid, but it's the first from outside of our solar system that we've seen visiting, even if it's just passing through

[Anonymous No.9310045]

>>9310041
>from outside of our solar system
jesus fucking christ I'm done here

[Anonymous No.9310052]

>>9309574
>We could send a spacecraft to flyby it:
Fuck a flyby. Go crash a little probe on there like a message in a bottle. Maybe someday it will wander into someone elses solar system and they'd notice our little probe there.

[Anonymous No.9310067]

>>9309313
It's clearly the Thuktun Flishithy.

[Anonymous No.9310070]

>>9310052
It could have been riddled with them already but we are too primitive to see that.

[Anonymous No.9310075]

>>9309313
I also beg of the Machine God, Deus Mechanicus, that it is an extrasolar spacecraft from an advanced alien civilization with a working warp drive.

[Anonymous No.9310077]

>>9310045
What’s the problem?

[Anonymous No.9310088]

Yeah I'm hoping it's alien space junk too

they think it's long because of how shiny it is, but perhaps it's not made out of regular ice/rock

[Anonymous No.9310091]

>>9310052
at the speed the probe would impact, it would vaporize both itself and a good chunk of the asteroid. Barring bringing back Project Orion or getting fusion propulsion to work(which actually could happen), we aren't going to be able to send a soft lander

[Anonymous No.9310123]

>>9310028
>t. ayy trying to lure us into a sense of security before he strikes

i'm onto you

[Anonymous No.9310129]

>>9310091
I just like the idea of sending our first confirmed extra solar visitor off on its way with "URF WAZ HUR" spray painted on the side of it, adjacent to a big crudely drawn drippy boner.

[Anonymous No.9310131]

>>9309313
It's not anything cool unless you're into asteroids. It's never anything cool.

[Anonymous No.9310153]

>>9310129
Well, that sure speaks greatly of humanity.

[Anonymous No.9310164]

>>9310129
>>big crudely drawn drippy boner.
No anon. what we should do is put two giant inflatable balloons on one end, so the whole asteroid becomes a giant space dick.

[Anonymous No.9310174]

>>9310129
Seconding this. Make it happen.

>Rock flies into alien solar system
>They identify the graffiti on the rock
>Religious wars break out across their planet leading to massive destruction
>Over a space dick

Top kek

[Anonymous No.9310179]

>>9309322
Epic

[Anonymous No.9310189]

>>9310164
I like the cut of your Jib anon.
>>9310153
It's a zen thing, you wouldn't get it.

[Anonymous No.9310249]

>>9309574
This kind of event is estimated to happen around once a year. (Inner solar system visit from interstellar rock). Once we see one coming far enough in advance we can go visit it then.

>>9310052
This. Let's go piss our names into the rock with a laser and check out all the other alien graffiti on it while we are at it. If anything we'd likely discover the shape of an alien dick scribbled on it

[Anonymous No.9310254]

>>9310249
>This kind of event is estimated to happen around once a year.
Now that we know what to look for, will we be able to find them earlier now?

Hopefully the JWST will help.

[Anonymous No.9310257]

>>9310045
?? Did you not read any of the articles? It is on a highly eccentric orbit, significantly greater than 1, and hasn't passed by any of the outer planets. It literally came from somewhere else in the milky way.

[Anonymous No.9310277]

>>9310254
That's the idea. The JWST would be in a good position at L2 to spot this kind of stuff too, but unfortunately we still need to get kinda of lucky because these small objects are really dim out at the distances we need them to be so that we have enough advanced warning to intercept. But maybe we'll get lucky and a big one will zip by

[Anonymous No.9310339]

>>9310277
or really, REALLY unlucky

[Anonymous No.9310351]

Why did we spot it just now? I thought we were keeping an eyes on this shit. Are there going to be others? Are we about to be bombarded with a ton of space junk? I don't want our planet obliterated!

[Anonymous No.9310363]

why would it be lost?

[Anonymous No.9310386]

>>9310363
it flew off into the great wild

[Anonymous No.9310464]

>>9310351
>Why did we spot it just now?
Its not coming from a direction we'd expect NEO's to be coming from.

[Anonymous No.9310468]

>>9309313
Not all those who wander are lost...

[Anonymous No.9310476]

>>9310464
Couldn't they potentially come from every direction?

[Anonymous No.9310514]

>>9310067
Nah. It's Rama. Long, Cylindrical and flying straight past us without acknowledging us in any way.

[Anonymous No.9310525]

What is this? Can someone post a link?

[Anonymous No.9310546]

>>9310514
I just read that the other day. Damn that was fun.

[Anonymous No.9310561]

>>9309918
Ahhh you just wish it would, admit it.

All doomsayers are closet doomseekers.

[Anonymous No.9310570]

>>9310525
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7006

[Anonymous No.9310574]

>>9310525
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/11/oumuamua-interstellar-asteroid-solar-system-space-science/

It's a cylindrical object from another solar system moving through our system at great speed.

[Anonymous No.9310581]

>>9310574
When do we get hubble photos?

[Anonymous No.9310605]

>>9310581
Hubble can resolve details as small as .1 arcseconds. The size of the asteroid is about .0004 arcseconds. So never.

[Anonymous No.9310617]

how do we know it is cylindrical?

[Anonymous No.9310632]

>>9310476
Not impossible, but there's a reason why most of the orbital bodies in the solar system stay roughly in a plane.
As the protosun began to coalesce it started pulling matter in, creating an accretion disk where most of the stuff in the solar system winds up.
Anything that's too far off of that plane is going to get tugged by the other planets over time in a flatter orbit, or it would just slingshot off into deep space.

[Anonymous No.9310637]

It's a giant alien turd

[Anonymous No.9310702]

>>9309313
>Is it a spaceship.
No drive plume, no exceptional heat emissions, no antennae, no solar collectors, zip. Probably not a ship.
>Will we send an expedition to retrieve it.
Not enough justification for the momentous cost it would demand to do so.
>Mindboggling tech.
Probably not a ship.
>This is the dawn of human spacefaring.
Happened a couple decades ago, we just haven't done a whole lot more since then.

[Anonymous No.9310713]

>Intersteller species manages to finally find a way to space through time like it's nothing.
>Gets decimated by Radiation that they never studied on their home planet.
>What's left of their ship arrives here.
>We observe what's left of the ship and learn nothing new because all the electronics are fried.

Feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.9310732]

>>9309322
ebin

[Anonymous No.9310735]

>>9309894
Houston: >well, now the rock is only worth of its minerals.

[Anonymous No.9310752]

>>9309894
It's a rock from outside of the solar system, it is worth getting to understand places outside of the solar system.

[Anonymous No.9310756]

>>9309313
If it changes orbit suddenly and decides to visit earth, startrek.jpg. Otherwise it's a rock.

>>9310632
Wouldn't the matter in even an eccentric accretion zone still form a roughly spherical shaped mass over time? If the object was thrown into interstellar space, not a lot of forces out there to encourage a cigar shape to form.

>>9310702
It's a bit far away for us to resolve much detail on the object. On the off chance it was an alien vessel, i'd rig for silent running until if I knew the occupants were hostile or not. Even at that distance, they could probably pick up on military and civilian radars being transmitted from earth, something that says that not only is a civilization here but one that at least potentially knows a fair bit of technology.

We really need to get an upgraded space station launched, something with a rotating ring, large staff, and dedicated astrometry gear. What we have now is barely passable, if state of the art technology for 25 years ago. You'd think some of those rich people with 100+ billion in net worth would put money towards projects like this. Heck even with 10 billion you could probably crash course a working fusion reactor in a decade.

[Anonymous No.9310760]

>>9309313

Looks like a turd senpai.

[Anonymous No.9310770]

>>9309894
Not just any rock, but one that is very structurally sound and covered in organic material. It has some serious scientific value.

>>9310351
The only reason why we suddenly spotted it was because of a software upgrade. Who knows how much shit we've missed.

>>9310617
>Over a 7.3-hour period, the amount of light ‘Oumuamua reflects changes by a factor of over 2.5. Either parts of its surface differ radically in terms of how much light it reflects, or the object has an oblong shape. The authors suggest it is cigar-shaped (technically a “triaxial ellipsoid”), with two of its axes approximately 80 meters across and the third about 800 meters. If that’s the case, then it has to be fairly solid to hold up to the stress of its rapid rotation.

[Anonymous No.9310773]

>>9310756
>You'd think some of those rich people with 100+ billion in net worth would put money towards projects like this.
We have a few millionaires and billionaires who put their money towards space projects.

[Anonymous No.9310777]

>>9310756
Granted, but even a ship running silent emits some heat unless all of it's systems are nearly or completely cold. If so then the point negated because a probe should collect as much data as possible for as long as possible, and even if we shot it down that would still be useful information. As to greater invested in space, I totally agree. The modern space program is a joke, but unfortunately governments would rather waste money on war or welfare and there are not yet strong enough free market incentives (or a free enough market) to drive a fully independent space program to surpass what already exists.

I fear that only a new space race (possibly with China for the goal of men on Mars) or a starvation of rare metals will drive us to really expand space exploration.

[Anonymous No.9310779]

>>9309313
Voyager 1 is one of the fastest objects we've sent into space. It travels at 17 km/s. This asteroid travels at 44 km/s. Good luck trying to catch it.

[Anonymous No.9310850]

Why is it so long?

[Anonymous No.9310860]

>>9310779
t. i know nothing about orbital mechanics

Read the paper at least fag
https://arxiv.org/abs/1711.03155

[Anonymous No.9310862]

>>9310850
No seriously this. What the fuck kind of space weathering process does this?

[Anonymous No.9310865]

>>9310850
>>9310862
Thinking about the probabilities, it must be extremely unlikely to not only find an asteroid that came from outside the solar system but is also of a shape that is so different to what we have seen before.

[Anonymous No.9310870]

>giant turd rock solves fundamental mysteries to the human condition
Feels like a Futurama episode

[Anonymous No.9310874]

>>9309313
There goes my dildo again!

[Anonymous No.9310878]

>>9310770
>Either parts of its surface differ radically in terms of how much light it reflects, or the object has an oblong shape
So it has a patch of ice on it that makes it appear oblong.

[Anonymous No.9310885]

>Most comments about this on every single article and news thread is "WHY THE FUCK IS IT SHAPED SO WEIRD!"

It literally came from beyond our solar system. Who knows what kind of black magic fuckery goes beyond our zone.

[Anonymous No.9310888]

>>9310885
Well, doesn't that make it interesting enough?
even if it is not an ayy-lmao interstellar bad dragon dildo, it is still intriguing

[Anonymous No.9310892]

>>9310865
>>9310885
Such a cylindrical shape is incredibly unlikely since the physical laws of the universe eventually forces objects into assuming spherical shapes.

[Anonymous No.9310902]

Anyone get kinda spooked by this? Just the fact that Earth isn't necessarily a stable, safe planet but could get wriggedy wrecked by any random ass comet or spoopy space cylinder or gamma ray burst.

And we're still not on Mars yet.

[Anonymous No.9310906]

>>9309313
Okay, when we send a rendevouus mission to investigate this thing for the love of god nobody fuck with the spider biots and don't stay inside as it approaches close to the sun if you don't want to die in a hurricane.

[Anonymous No.9310908]

>>9310888
>>9310892
Our laws may very well not apply beyond our comprehensible boundaries.

[Anonymous No.9310910]

>>9310874

[Anonymous No.9310913]

Has there been any mention of a potential point of origin yet? I would have thought that that would be one of the first things people would have tried to work out.

[Anonymous No.9310915]

>>9310913
It came from the direction of Vega, but the stars have shifted since.

[Anonymous No.9310919]

>>9309902
>It's certainly not shaped like a natural asteroid.

Or it's a normal round asteroid with a bright patch on one side. All we're going on is that it looks brighter and darker as it rotates. That's literally it. We have no other evidence that it's cigar-shaped.

[Anonymous No.9310927]

>>9310902
People have lived on this planet for many thousands of years. Earth is plenty stable.

[Anonymous No.9310929]

>>9309313
We can't get a sat to saturn without several centuries of gravity assists gramps. That crap will require something like 50km/s dv to reach and I'm not even sure if that includes the rendezvous maneuver. It aint the 60's no more, we just don't got the rockets, the money, or the will to care about space.

[Anonymous No.9310931]

>>9310913
It is hard to calculate because the milky way spins. The place it looks like it came from wasn't actually where it is now 500,000 years ago. So we have to see what would have been there, but then we get into the n-body problem of gravity. Many many stars would have been slightly influencing it's trajectory, so it wouldn't have been traveling in a straight line. These stars would also have been influencing each other, so we aren't even sure of their structure with enough certainty to be able to really begin to narrow down where it came from.

It is possible it could have been traveling alone through the milky way for millions of years before paying us a visit.

[Anonymous No.9310944]

the real question is where is it heading now? if it is projected to intercept another star, especially one with exoplanets, then things start to get spooky.

[Anonymous No.9310946]

>>9310902
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_kill_vehicle

Time to shit your pants.

[Anonymous No.9310951]

>“The great silence (i.e. absence of SETI signals from alien civilizations) is perhaps the strongest indicator of all that high relativistic velocities are attainable and that everybody out there knows it.

>“The sobering truth is that relativistic civilizations are a potential nightmare to anyone living within range of them. The problem is that objects traveling at an appreciable fraction of light speed are never where you see them when you see them (i.e., light-speed lag). Relativistic rockets, if their owners turn out to be less than benevolent, are both totally unstoppable and totally destructive. A starship weighing in at 1,500 tons (approximately the weight of a fully fueled space shuttle sitting on the launchpad) impacting an earthlike planet at “only” 30 percent of lightspeed will release 1.5 million megatons of energy — an explosive force equivalent to 150 times today’s global nuclear arsenal… (ed note: this means the freaking thing has about nine hundred mega-Ricks of damage!)

>I’m not going to talk about ideas. I’m going to talk about reality. It will probably not be good for us ever to build and fire up an antimatter engine. According to Powell, given the proper detecting devices, a Valkyrie engine burn could be seen out to a radius of several light-years and may draw us into a game we’d rather not play, a game in which, if we appear to be even the vaguest threat to another civilization and if the resources are available to eliminate us, then it is logical to do so.

>The game plan is, in its simplest terms, the relativistic inverse to the golden rule: “Do unto the other fellow as he would do unto you and do it first.”…

>When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:

[Anonymous No.9310957]

>They won’t come to get our resources or our knowledge or our women or even because they’re just mean and want power over us. They’ll come to destroy us to insure their survival, even if we’re no apparent threat, because species death is just too much to risk, however remote the risk…

>The most humbling feature of the relativistic bomb is that even if you happen to see it coming, its exact motion and position can never be determined; and given a technology even a hundred orders of magnitude above our own, you cannot hope to intercept one of these weapons. It often happens, in these discussions, that an expression from the old west arises: “God made some men bigger and stronger than others, but Mr. Colt made all men equal.” Variations on Mr. Colt’s weapon are still popular today, even in a society that possesses hydrogen bombs. Similarly, no matter how advanced civilizations grow, the relativistic bomb is not likely to go away…

>We ask that you try just one more thought experiment. Imagine yourself taking a stroll through Manhattan, somewhere north of 68th street, deep inside Central Park, late at night. It would be nice to meet someone friendly, but you know that the park is dangerous at night. That’s when the monsters come out. There’s always a strong undercurrent of drug dealings, muggings, and occasional homicides.

[Anonymous No.9310958]

>It is not easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. They dress alike, and the weapons are concealed. The only difference is intent, and you can’t read minds.

>Stay in the dark long enough and you may hear an occasional distance shriek or blunder across a body.

>How do you survive the night? The last thing you want to do is shout, “I’m here!” The next to last thing you want to do is reply to someone who shouts, “I’m a friend!”

>What you would like to do is find a policeman, or get out of the park. But you don’t want to make noise or move towards a light where you might be spotted, and it is difficult to find either a policeman or your way out without making yourself known. Your safest option is to hunker down and wait for daylight, then safely walk out.

>There are, of course, a few obvious differences between Central Park and the universe.

>There is no policeman.

>There is no way out.

>And the night never ends.

[Anonymous No.9310960]

Oh boy, another fucking space rock. I sure am exited

[Anonymous No.9310964]

>>9310960
Yeah, imagine actually learning something new about other solar systems. How boring.

[Anonymous No.9310965]

I would like this >>9310944

Does anyone know of any good orbital mechanics / astrodynamics software or package that is capable of handling interstellar trajectories?
I have my own basic n-body integrator, but it obviously don't have a catalogue with the thousands of known stars

[Anonymous No.9310974]

>>9310944
>>9310965
see
>>9309903
It is heading towards Pegasus

[Anonymous No.9310985]

>>9310958
And so if we ever grow to become type II civilization, shouldn't we create some kind of farraday net to secure all radio signals coming from our solar system?
Is there any reliable way to "put on some camuflage?"

[Anonymous No.9310987]

>tfw if we get interplanetary colonies we'll have to install provincial governors again due to the time lag
Why do I find this idea so comfy?

[Anonymous No.9310991]

>>9310987
Funny thing being this colonization would also mean speciation in a long run, or atleast visible changes in phenotype.

[Anonymous No.9310992]

>>9310987
I know that feel, man.

I write all sorts of world-building stuff about this subject. Generation ships, on-journey cultural drift, stable cultures and how to make sure your employees's hundredth descendant will serve your hundredth descendant faithfully still...

...I'll admit it's all just to have the HRE in space, but still.

[Anonymous No.9311002]

Any species capable of space travel will be intelligent enough to have outgrown conflict simply because conflict wouldn't have allowed it to achieve space travel in the first place.

The ideas that there are alien invaders lurking just for the right time to kill us is purely human projection of our own faults and shows just how unprepared we are for the stars.

[Anonymous No.9311006]

>>9311002
>Any species capable of space travel will be intelligent enough to have outgrown conflict simply because conflict wouldn't have allowed it to achieve space travel in the first place.

The entire history of technological development in human history says you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.9311007]

>>9311002
>simply because conflict wouldn't have allowed it to achieve space travel in the first place.
Source?

[Anonymous No.9311008]

>>9310985
While hiding in a cardboard box to sneak around the enemy facility undetected is humorous, it's not exactly practical and realistic.
Absence of radiation is a surefire way to get yourself found out. The right way is concealing your artificial radiation in a way that mimics natural phenomena.

[Anonymous No.9311022]

>>9310992
Speaking of cultural shift, you should read mars triology. It shows how drastic colonization of even one planet could be.

[Anonymous No.9311025]

>>9311002
>Any species capable of space travel will be intelligent enough to have outgrown conflict simply because conflict wouldn't have allowed it to achieve space travel in the first place.[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.9311026]

>>9309313
Best part in all of this is how an artist's impression get everyone excited. STEM is and will always be just a slave to art. Da Vinci was able to figure it out with his 600 IQ. You're all plebs.

[Anonymous No.9311028]

>>9311008
>mimics natural phenomena.
Space is huge. How can one determine what is 'natural' and what is not?

[Anonymous No.9311029]

>>9311008
Yeah i thought it would be wierd if star which produced artifficial radiation for hundrets of years stopped all of a sudden, it could be seen as some catastrophic event or technological maturity.
It's bound to initiate curiosity of other civilizations.

So what do you think would be best course of action if we happen to be just a small guys in a big galaxy? Is gathering intelligence without being detected even possible at that point?
And what should we do if it turns out we are the first big civilization? Should we monitor other smaller undeveloped civilizations and destroy them if they become threat?
These sorts of things are fun to ponder Imho.

[Anonymous No.9311031]

>>9311002
>Be zkrkrk the conqueror
>Unite whole planet under totalitarian rule
>Run out of things to conquer, turn all resources on planet to space travel
>Expand empire throughout the galaxy

Grown beyond conflict though

[Anonymous No.9311038]

>>9311031
>not sending intelligent nanoprobes to asses the threat level intelligently, reproduce and eventually mind control/eradicate the population ready to serve you when you arrive

[Anonymous No.9311043]

>>9311038
>make others aware of your existence without destroying them the moment they realize
ISHYGDDT

[Anonymous No.9311045]

>>9311028
>radiowaves that have complete regularity that are clearly encoded messages
>mimic natural radiation to retain communication network whilst avoiding ousting yourself
things like that

[Anonymous No.9311059]

This is how it always starts

[Anonymous No.9311062]

what ever you do DONT go into their ships

[Anonymous No.9311085]

>>9309313
This thing goes 38 km/s. Voyager 1, launched 40 years ago, goes 17 km/s.
Can we now build a probe that goes 50 km/s and catches up?

[Anonymous No.9311097]

>>9311085
If q drives were for sure a working concept and we had a prototype ready to go maybe. But as it stands now....

It might be possible with chemical rockets but you would need very very high performance upper stage and a deep space stage to help the probe do additional burns.

New Glenn or BFR could do it but neither are operational yet. A falcon 9 heavy with a "raptor" IE methane/LOX upper stage might be able to do it, but there are no plans currently, at least publicly, a methane upper stage for that vehicle.


I suppose if we had confirmation of some kind that it was an artificial object then that might create a national security concern, and then you bet your ass NASA would contract somebody to launch a probe out there.

[Anonymous No.9311104]

>>9311029
I think passive and thorough observation is the best course of action for the near future. Space is either a dark forest or we are alone. I prefer the latter, but assuming the first, looking around in a more dedicated manner with better larger telescopes (moon or space based - perfectly doable things which will hopefully become reality this century) will surely show signs of it - either someone getting wasted, someone acting like retard and beaming his location with greetings, responding to "greetings", or some other anomalous sign of intelligent activity lacking in wisdom.
As for strategy, I'd say exercise caution within reason and avoid naivety. Expecting star friends is suicidal. And even if it seems we are alone I think great care should be taken because maybe someone simply won the game already and that is the reason the chessboard is so empty.

[Anonymous No.9311133]

>>9309918
>a few days later
we discovered this thing several weeks after in made its closest approach to the Sun and was already leaving the solar system

[Anonymous No.9311141]

>>9310039
If it were a potato shape I'd agree with you totally.
What's really weird about this thing is that it's ten times longer than it is wide.
How the hell do you get a naturally formed 40 meter wide 400 meter long cylinder that also has ZERO dust surrounding it, meaning it's completely monolithic?

[Anonymous No.9311146]

>>9310987
If we colonize other worlds I doubt it will be governments doing it.

[Anonymous No.9311150]

>>9309313
it's probably not a ship, nor do we need it's technologies to become space fairing
we have all the technology we need to colonize the stars right now, just none of the infrastructure or industry

if we got more shekels flowing into space industrialization instead of purely pretty pictures, we'd accomplish far more of both simultaneously

[Anonymous No.9311152]

>>9310927
saying things like that is just tempting fate
don't do that

[Anonymous No.9311154]

>>9309313

/v/ here is this like the thingy on 2001 a space odyssey

(the part with the monkeys)

[Anonymous No.9311160]

>>9311146
governments and corporations are no different when it comes to administrative workings
somebody has to keep shit working, doesn't matter if they work for the UN, United Federation of Planets, or Amazon, always need a governor when you cannot directly control it

[Anonymous No.9311164]

>>9311154
Monolito de macaco uma delícia

[Anonymous No.9311168]

It is a beacon.

[Anonymous No.9311179]

>>9311002
>being this fucking wrong
most of the progress humanity has achieved has been the direct product of conflict
some of our greatest scientific wonders came from the fires of war
take your limp wristed faggotry somewhere else

[Anonymous No.9311208]

>>9309313
Azathoths Space Turd.

[Anonymous No.9311213]

>>9311022
I always recommend Aurora to anyone who enjoyed the Mars trilogy. It's by the same author.

[Anonymous No.9311245]

>>9311026
This

[Anonymous No.9311316]

>>9310987
>Ideas women will never understand.

[Anonymous No.9311325]

Every time shit like this comes up i think of the project to save data in quartz glass and how unlikely it is that someone would find the right piece and get the information out of it. Superior tec would likely mean passing by data storages that are never noticed.

[Anonymous No.9311336]

>>9309313
>tfw it's actually a spaceship but we just let it pass by
>"it's just a weird asteroid bro"

[Anonymous No.9311346]

>>9311336
such is life when pretty much all spacebound development is halted, canceled, or otherwise crippled
If NASA wasn't subverted into being a jobs factory for corrupt congressmen, we'd have a ship to spare for catching this thing

[Anonymous No.9311397]

>>9309322
*BURP*

[Anonymous No.9311402]

do we know its not gonna hit earth? like for sure?

[Anonymous No.9311408]

Brainlet here. I know gravitational forces can make an object faster in space, e.g. Voyager had multiple gravity assist to make it so fast.

Is it also possible that gravitational forces make something slower? Could the spaceship have been traveling at 0.5 c until it became unfunctional/unoperated and its random tango around all the solar systems made it drastically slower?

[Anonymous No.9311429]

>>9311408
decelarating using planets is possible. Gravity assist is the term for using planets to alter your course.

[Anonymous No.9311441]

>>9311408
Of course. The only thing that gravity does is "pulling". It is an attractive force. (in General Relativity theory that does not hold true. Gravity is a geometric property of space-time. But we will assume Newtonian physics here, since they are enough for your question)

Remember that speed is always relative. It will depend on the frame of reference you choose. So you can be speeding up relative to an object, and slowing down relative to a different one. And gravity assists change velocity a lot, which is your path (the "direction" of your movement)

It could certainly have been "launched" 0.5c in a trajectory that brought it here, at this speed. It is very unlikely, because 0.5c, that speed, involves a fuckton of energy. But certainly possible.

[Anonymous No.9311442]

>>9311325
If you're storing data with the intention of preserving it for some other to find an access at an indeterminite time in the future it would be wise to include operator instructions.
The pioneer plaque has instructions for using the gold record on it.

[Anonymous No.9311452]

>>9311179
>some of our greatest scientific wonders came from the fires of war
Because it becomes in governments intetest to brute force R&D through when national security is on the line.
I mean we went from literally NO space program to landing on the moon inside a decade because the gave NASA a blank cheque and the single directive to "get there before the ruskies!"

[Anonymous No.9311454]

>>9310756
>You'd think some of those rich people with 100+ billion in net worth
Those billions of net worth is capital locked up in stocks; in other words those are the businesses they own.

[Anonymous No.9311461]

>>9311402
It's already past us. But its business is already done.

[Anonymous No.9311464]

If a ship flies with the 0.x speed of light how do we calculate the time passing on board? If we chuck a stone turd at alpha centauri at the 0.2 speed of light it'll get there in about half century (of our time, I'm assuming), but how much time will pass on USS Musk itself?

[Anonymous No.9311480]

>>9311464
Whoever answers this is probably gonna get it wrong.

[Anonymous No.9311482]

>>9311464
Time dilation factor is [math]\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}[/math]

[Anonymous No.9311483]

>>9311482
Hopefully it explodes/hits a massive asteroid somewhere along the way

[Anonymous No.9311488]

It's a load of fake bullshit.

I can't believe people believe these fucking bullshit artsts, just look at them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbL1ZoAQgUU&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.9311497]

>>9311488

[Anonymous No.9311508]

Brainlet here again, found a calculator:

>c is speed of light in vacuum
>something's 4.3c years away from us
>therefore it will take you GORILLION YEARS to get there at 0.2c
>not counting the goddamn DECELLERATION time since you need to slow down not to pass the destination, fuck

uh...

uh

huh

...Hmmm, yes yes, very intredesding, makes perfect sense too/downs syndrome intensifies

So it seems humanity's doomed I guess. Any hard drug recommendations to make the feels stop, anyone?

[Anonymous No.9311515]

>>9311508

oops, I think I missed "percentage" at some point, ahaha ha haaa... xD

ehhhh, kill me

[Anonymous No.9311573]

>>9311508
Do not fear anon, physics Bros have the teleportation tech coming soon. Time will be a non issue

[Anonymous No.9311584]

>>9311397
Go fuck yourself you leddit piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.9311618]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGIGPvPbaRM

[Anonymous No.9311620]

>>9309321
tfw when you get skipped in the galactic doink rotation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW_AHHIxOOc

[Anonymous No.9311682]

>>9311508
>So it seems humanity's doomed
In other breaking news: Water is wet.
Humans have been surfing from one extinction event to the next, and we come out better for it.

[Anonymous No.9311714]

>>9310702
>No drive plume, no exceptional heat emissions, no antennae, no solar collectors, zip. Probably not a ship.
Interstellar species are probably so advanced that their ships blend into the background of space.

[Anonymous No.9311717]

>>9310910
>>9311508
The universe is so massive. It's the most amazing thing I can think of. What do you guys think is out there?

[Anonymous No.9311750]

>>9309313
Is the "prow" pointed in the direction of travel?

[Anonymous No.9311759]

>>9310514

This

[Anonymous No.9311764]

>>9311750
It's derelict and spinning.

[Anonymous No.9311767]

>>9309902
>Nope, it's already on its way out of the solar system and is going too fast to catch up.

We failed the test.

[Anonymous No.9311794]

>>9311750

No because it doesn't have a prow. It's just a normal asteroid that happens to be brighter on one side and therefore changes brightness and apparent size as it spins. It's not cylindrical.

[Anonymous No.9311800]

>>9311794
that's not what sciencemen on youtube told me

[Anonymous No.9311810]

>>9310702
>No drive plume, no exceptional heat emissions, no antennae, no solar collectors, zip. Probably not a ship.
Submarines don't have any of those things either.

[Anonymous No.9311818]

>>9310958
Burger education at its finest.

[Anonymous No.9311832]

>>9311818
>European "optimism"

[Anonymous No.9311855]

>>9311750
That is absurd. It does not need to stay pointed to anything unless it needs to accelerate.
And this is assuming it uses a normal propulsion system. Who knows what kind of drive an ayy lmao ship could use.

[Anonymous No.9311860]

>>9311855
Yeah, but if it is though, wou wouldn't exactly count that as a mark against it. I'm just asking whether it is apparently axially aligned that way or not.

Sounds like we might not even have enough telemetry on it to know, though?

[Anonymous No.9311869]

>>9310902
A gamma ray burst would likely wipe out our entire solar system. Mars wont save you from that shit. I agree on all other points though.

[Anonymous No.9311878]

>>9311869
>>would likely wipe out our entire solar system
not if you're underground.

[Anonymous No.9311886]

>>9311878
Would still strip away the ozone layer though, so enjoy having to stay underground for however many thousands of years it takes for earth to be habitable on the surface without protective clothing.

[Anonymous No.9311890]

>>9311886

Wear sunscreen

[Anonymous No.9311894]

>>9311886
>>Would still strip away the ozone layer though
Mars doesn't have an ozone layer and won't any time soon.

[Anonymous No.9311897]

>>9310951
Earth and human civilization is visible to telescopes, there is no use in hiding.Biomarkers and city lights are signs we can't conceal

[Anonymous No.9311902]

>>9310958
Thats idiotic, Earth with its atmosphere is shouting for us, also hypertelescopes would detect cities and agriculture, the Dark Forest theory is based on ignorance of what advanced telescopes can do

[Anonymous No.9311910]

>>9309313
looks like a rock to me!

[Anonymous No.9311912]

>>9311029
>if star which produced artifficial radiation
Przybylski Star-google it

[Anonymous No.9311920]

>>9311104
Again you don't get. Space isn't a forest, it's a desert. And planets with biospheres are campfires in the dark.
You don't need to hunt for radio waves, we already are designing telescopes that will detect life and possibly even image planets.

[Anonymous No.9311926]

>>9311213
Aurora is SJW propaganda, Robinson turned anti space with age. Also it has too many flaws to count

[Anonymous No.9311934]

>>9311894
Reading preceding posts properly is for plebs.

[Anonymous No.9311939]

>>9311031
The throne, kek.
>Be zkrkrk the conqueror
>get shot
>remaining generals nuke the shit out of the planet in a war for the throne
>just as planned

[Anonymous No.9311952]

The dark forest have so many flaws

From the top of my head, it assumes that Alien civilization have the same thought process we do, being completely different both biologically and evolutionary.

We assume there is some universal blueprint to how civilizations evolve

For all we know Ayy lmao warfare involve farting on the enemy face

[Anonymous No.9311977]

>>9309313
It's the argie submarine

[Anonymous No.9312030]

>>9311952
>fart at the enemy because that's the traditional way to wage war in your tribe
>they nuke you
>they nuke you again
>several millenia later slowpokes nuke you again, three times
>farting aliens extinct forever
>dark forest continues as usual

[Anonymous No.9312049]

>>9311977
Nah, that couldn't swim let alone fly

[Anonymous No.9312053]

>>9311977
>mfw it is that submarine, taken into portal and came back now from year 3000

how ming boggling would be that

[Anonymous No.9312063]

>>9311952
Dark Forest has one main flaw:both Earth and human civilization are perfectly visible to telescopes that even we can design.

[Anonymous No.9312065]

>>9311832
>assume pessimism as the most burgerous assumption, see what can be ass-pulled to justify it, because burger assumptions can't possibly be false
Pretty hard science.

[Anonymous No.9312079]

>>9311408
This boy needs some ksp. Maximum planetary assist is achieved by traveling perpendicular to the planet's orbital path. If you cross in front of the planet it slows you down, and crossing behind it speeds you up.

[Anonymous No.9312283]

>>9312063
>what is spacetime?
No need for nerfing a planet that poses no threat.

[Anonymous No.9312292]

>>9309313
In all honesty I'd ask Andy Sixx

[Anonymous No.9312366]

>>9311497
This. Only schizos know what's real.

[Anonymous No.9312544]

>>9309313
Its something a massive object shat out, just like you