/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9258125]

We tried to warn you.

[Anonymous No.9258130]

>>9258125
>give the impression that math was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans.
But it was...

[Anonymous No.9258136]

>>9258130
>Algebra - From Medieval Latin algebrāica, from Arabic word الْجَبْر (al-jabr, “reunion, resetting of broken parts”) in the title of al-Khwarizmi's influential work الْكِتَاب الْمُخْتَصَر فِي حِسَاب الْجَبْر وَالْمُقَابَلَة (al-kitāb al-muḵtaṣar fī ḥisāb al-jabr wal-muqābala, “The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing”).

[Anonymous No.9258142]

>>9258125
SJW in math are a cancer to science,

[Anonymous No.9258144]

>>9258125
Claiming algebra was a white invention is islamophobic, ignorant, racist and it's cultural appropriation. Not even kidding.

[Anonymous No.9258148]

>>9258136
all based on greek and persian works, with some hindu thrown in too.

Plato era greeks had what we would call algebra and even began work on calculus.

[Anonymous No.9258150]

>>9258136
>Cherrypicking
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.9258155]

There does seem to be a push to eradicate European culture.

I don't think black people, Asians, SJWs, etc. are to blame, but rather they're being useful idiots and perhaps encouraged by some other group of people that want to see the end of European culture and European people.

Perhaps it is Jews, like they have have a hatred of all European people and culture because Hitler was European or something.

[Anonymous No.9258157]

>>9258155
Hello, Ashkenazi descendant here.
It wasn't us, honestly.

[Anonymous No.9258170]

>>9258125
>Things cannot be known objectively; they must be known subjectively.

Postmodernism summed up in one retarded sentence.

[Anonymous No.9258204]

>>9258170
>tfw you can see the noumenal

[Anonymous No.9258209]

>>9258148
>le muslims dindu nuffin all they did was copy and paste and act as a library until europe got its shit together
Stop this meme right now.

[Anonymous No.9258212]

>>9258130
that's too offensive. we need to change contributed equally as much.

[Anonymous No.9258213]

>>9258209
It's like IKEA furniture. Someone else designed and produced the parts. All you did was do the final assembly.

[Anonymous No.9258222]

>>9258212
For calculus we can use Takakazu instead of Isaac.
>He created a new algebraic notation system and, motivated by astronomical computations, did work on infinitesimal calculus and Diophantine equations.
>A contemporary of German polymath mathematician and philosopher Gottfried Leibniz and British mathematician Isaac Newton, Seki's work was independent. His successors later developed a school dominant in Japanese mathematics until the end of the Edo period.
Source:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seki_Takakazu

[Anonymous No.9258244]

>>9258157
That's exactly what a Jew would say

[Anonymous No.9258249]

>>9258142
>Implying SJW's in math will even break any of the math required for science

[Anonymous No.9258254]

>>9258125
>we
we?

[Anonymous No.9258255]

>>9258254
WE

[Anonymous No.9258264]

>>9258130
So "Judging people by whether they can reason abstractly" is RACIST???

WTF... how do you design a rocket, bridge, or computer if you do not reason abstractly?????

[Anonymous No.9258265]

Math doesn't really know colour, idk why SJWs and /pol/tards are trying to politicize it.

Stop ruining every hobby you touch you losers and go back to your containment board

>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.9258266]

>>9258125
https://education.illinois.edu/faculty/rg1
>Ph.D., Curriculum and Instruction
>Professor - Mathematics Education, Curriculum and Instruction
>no experience teaching math
leftist parasites trying to infiltrate STEM education, no surprise considering how they're currently doing the same to the private sector

[Anonymous No.9258273]

>>9258255
WAS

[Anonymous No.9258276]

>>9258265
You need to protect that hobby if you want it around.
The mob has always killed the bourgeois, like you.
China, Cambodia, Eastern Europe, Russia, even during the French revolution. It's happening again, maybe on a smaller scale, but your hobby will die.
If you want to remain politically ignorant that's understandable, though your intellectual kinsmen are all dead.
And soon, in at least one sense, you too will be.

[Anonymous No.9258279]

>>9258130
God forbid we actually teach facts...

[Anonymous No.9258284]

>>9258130
>greeks
>white

[Anonymous No.9258290]

>>9258273
MATHMATISHUNS N SHEEEET

[Anonymous No.9258297]

>>9258125

Seems reasonable.

We've seen many changes in education/culture to help those in need and there's no reason to think we've done them all already.

Though I hope a time will come when we can all say the Earth is finally a good place to live.

[Anonymous No.9258302]

>>9258125
I thought white privilege meant not having to worry about getting turned down for being part of a minority that has negative stereotypes associated with it that I don't necessarily fulfill. Like you know people stereotype blacks as criminals and I was under the impression that "white privilege" was not having that stereotype. Now I guess it applies to things being named after white dudes. Neat.

[Anonymous No.9258308]

>>9258276
>c-care about my p-poltarded fixation NOW o-or you'll die!
Laughably pathetic

[Neesur No.9258309]

>>9258125
Lemme think for a bit...
Yep, I think I just got cancer.

[Neesur No.9258313]

>>9258309
Whoops, inferior thonk.
>Neesur only thonk

[Anonymous No.9258322]

>>9258308
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

you will though

[Anonymous No.9258323]

>>9258170
All understanding is in essence subjective though is it not? To clarify I think the idea of this perpetuating white privilege is stupid but our understandings of things being subjective in a manner of speaking is just true.

[Anonymous No.9258325]

>>9258264
Yeah but that doesn't make them bad people or wrong, it just means they can't do some things that others can. You can judge their ability based on their ability but you can't judge their person based on that same ability.

[Anonymous No.9258326]

>>9258125
you realize that when people say this sort of shit there aren't huge crowds of people saying "yes we are the concern of left wing identity politics strawmen and we agree with you and we're working right now to adapt your theories into public policy," right? This is a cultural studies professor who wants to draw attention to their work by making purposely inflammatory ridiculous statements that id/pol/ retards will lose their shit over. This woman works at my university's college of education and students don't have to memorize "math is whiteness" to pass calculus. Making these claims a legitimate topic of discussion is actually doing more for them than anything else.

[Anonymous No.9258328]

>>9258276
This post is so sad, because it's clear you really think that's true.

[Anonymous No.9258329]

>>9258322
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

[Anonymous No.9258330]

>>9258326
This. Just look the other way if it angers you and calm down. Live your life and have fun.

[Anonymous No.9258331]

>>9258326
No that's really what all the "lefties" things, don't you know how politic work. It work one side against other, always.

[Anonymous No.9258351]

Whats so pro white? We learned that 0 was invented by pajeets and our numerals are derived from arab script.

[Anonymous No.9258361]

>>9258150
Huh? I thought it was undisputed that algebra was developed almost entirely in the middle east

[Anonymous No.9258371]

>>9258331
>all lefties think exactly like this one strawman example I've exaggerated beyond the scope of its importance
Brainlet /pol/kiddies

[Anonymous No.9258381]

>>9258361

>muh trivial elementary arithmetics.

People had "developed" that shit thousands of years prior to that. Nothing wrong with it though, it just wasn't anything rigorous. Someone just collected all that shit in a book, and we respected him for that and named the shit after him.

[Anonymous No.9258383]

Pythagoras was literally from present-day Turkey, and they're calling him white and european?

[Anonymous No.9258391]

>>9258361 see >>9258381 and get REKT.
Also, picking one thing out of the whole of mathematics, IS cherrypicking.

[Anonymous No.9258394]

>>9258383
Turkey was "white" (greek) up until it was invaded by the seljuk turks but "white" is sort of illusory given how much the greeks exchanged with egyptians and persians

These sort of arguments are almost always made by morons who think the entire world has had the same ideas about race as present day americans since the dawn of time. The most basic knowledge of history should show you how worthless this debate is

[Anonymous No.9258408]

>>9258326
Actually, there is a growing consensus in many academic circles that the humanities are corrupt to the very core, and that the shit you see in the OP is basically the new standard.

[Anonymous No.9258419]

>>9258323
That's irrelevant, when subjectivity can be objectively wrong.

[Anonymous No.9258429]

>>9258209
Persians weren't muslims.

[Anonymous No.9258434]

>>9258130
>>9258148
Greeks and Persians weren't "white".

The argument is dead.

[Anonymous No.9258440]

>>9258383
>ancient Anatolia
was modern turkish
loving every laugh
>>9258434
Persians are literally THE original indoeuropean civilization.

[Anonymous No.9258443]

>>9258326
>you realize that when people say this sort of shit there aren't huge crowds of people saying "yes we are the concern of left wing identity politics strawmen and we agree with you and we're working right now to adapt your theories into public policy"
Yeah that's why men were allowed to contest in last female olympic games.

[Anonymous No.9258458]

>>9258125
Yes but all we have to say is we are autistic and they can't touch us without being labeled as ablist.

[Anonymous No.9258459]

>>9258408
Yes, the humanities are dead because they have no real world applications and their appreciation has been supplanted by popular culture. This isn't happening because some secret club of evil leftists is set to work "corrupting" the humanities, it's the result of market forces. If you want to make money as an academic and you have a degree in US minority studies or something, you make a bunch of incendiary claims so people will on mongolian erotic cave painting forums will get mad over them.

When schools start teaching "math is whiteness" you can be alarmed. But they never will because real life ultimately isn't /pol/'s conspiracy fantasyland, and these issues aren't even remotely relevant to what's going on in childhood education.

>>9258443
This actually has fucking nothing to do with the topic at hand, are you retarded? It's a great indicator of who you are and where you're coming from when your post isn't tangentially related to the discussion and only exists to push your own paranoid political agenda.

These sorts of threads really need to be banned.

[Anonymous No.9258732]

>>9258459
>academia exists in a vacuum

[Anonymous No.9258818]

>>9258170
While technically true it is practically useless.

[Anonymous No.9258828]

>>9258125
Whelp, that settles it. Time to start gassing SJWs. You think Auschwitz would be a challenge to get in working order again?

[Anonymous No.9258837]

>>9258440
Indoeuropean =/= European

As shcoking as it may be to /pol/ and SJWs alike, two thousand years ago there were actually some brown people who were good at math.

[Anonymous No.9258840]

>>9258326
And this is how you keep allowing these marxist faggots take over something.

Stop being so ignorant of the present world, these people have actual power and actual organizations supporting them. You say they have no power, yet these types of arguments are being used right now by certain universities to drop algebra being a per-requiste.

[Anonymous No.9258852]

>>9258459
>This actually has fucking nothing to do with the topic at hand, are you retarded?

It has everything to do with it, leftist "scientist" using their position of authority to push marxist garbage. Again and again. You motherfuckers have ruined anthropology, you harassed a noble prize winner, E.O Wilson, and Charles Murray and shitheads like Niles Eldredge are continuing the left agenda of promoting their gene-phobic worldview.

Go fuck yourself. Playing nice with the left is a mistake.

[Anonymous No.9258855]

>>9258434
greek statue paint says otherwise. persia was heavily hellenized after Alexander.

[Anonymous No.9258860]

>>9258125
this is so dumb. read literally any book about math history and you'll find that many different cultures contributed to mathematics historically. this is needless politicization by someone who is practically a layman. mathematicians generally don't care about this shit.

[Anonymous No.9258877]

>>9258459
>When schools start teaching "math is whiteness" you can be alarmed. But they never will
I hope you're right. I'll finish my BS in math this year and I thought math was safe from this political bullshit. I don't think I could work in a totalitarian environment without opening my mouth and exposing myself to losing my job

[Anonymous No.9259111]

>>9258125
Good Lord... I thought this was bait, until I looked it up.

And the liberals wonder why the Alt-Right even exists.

[Anonymous No.9259133]

>>9258264
Rockets are racist. Their real and only purpose is to promote white supremacy. Anyone who ever seen one can tell that much. They're white and tall and make everyone tremble in terror when they're rising up in flames and don't get me started on that "going to space" (pfffft) bullshit since everyone knows it's just one big hoax promoted by the government to cover the fact that the Earth is flat.

[Anonymous No.9259159]

>>9258326
>purposely inflammatory ridiculous statements
It is okay if the discussion is kept within the scientific community, but when brought outside unaware people would take it as a fact because "scientist said so" and run around with it as a flag and before you know it there are literally huge crowds of people working day and night to make it reality.

[Pingas No.9259175]

>>9258157
>Ashkenazi
>nazi
Fucking Nazi!

[Anonymous No.9259178]

WE WUZ KANGZ N MAHFEMATISHUNS N SHIEEET

[Anonymous No.9259196]

>>9258276
>even during the French revolution

The Third Estate was made up primarily of doctors, lawyers, tradesmen, etc. The exact bourgeois middle class you claim were all murdered were, in fact, the driving force behind the revolution.

[Acbn !7CUUUUUUUU No.9259199]

I tried to warn you about Leftists, bro

[Anonymous No.9259209]

Wouldn't an easier way to de-emphasize mathematics (if you feel it's too much like white privilege) would be to create alternative tools/methodologies that come to the same empirical conclusions in logic as math? Thus you provide other paths in logic that accommodate for different thought processes?

Shit like this almost seems like a public exhibition of philosophical masturbation. Where one points out a problem and instead of providing a solution they instead revel in the socio-political limelight for bringing attention to it.

Although I suppose the alternative is spending the rest of your life actually figuring out a solution to said problem and being too old to appreciate your hard work. If anyone even gives a fuck about your work anymore due to strong A.I. doing all the hard lifting in mathematics for everyone. Thus no one caring about your alternative tools/ methodologies until several centuries later some semi-autistic introvert reintroduces the work as some form of arcane logic.

[Anonymous No.9259317]

>>9258125
I agree math IS whiteness.

[Anonymous No.9259597]

>>9259133
They arnt racist they are clearly sexist a bunch of men building giant phallus shaped objects being sent into space where are the boobs or vagina shaped rockets huh?

[Anonymous No.9260489]

>>9258130
>>give the impression that math was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans.
Who is Ramanujan

[Anonymous No.9260513]

I'm so tired of this shit, and now this...Just...

I seriously fucking hate this white privilege bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9260519]

>>9260489
Are you serious

[Anonymous No.9260525]

>>9260489
Ramanujan didn't really develop anything in mathematics but point taken anyway

[Anonymous No.9260526]

Hey that professor is from my school

fug

[Anonymous No.9260530]

>>9258284
Then the prof. arguments still fails because her issue is with "white privilege in mathematics" despite greeks apparently not counting as white

[Anonymous No.9260536]

>>9258290
>>9258254
>>9258255
>>9258273
Fukken lol

[Anonymous No.9260557]

>>9258170
it's right, but subjective truth is determined by power, not by your opinion of it
and these retards only use it as a justification for their fagbaby moralist opinions
you never see them take it further than using it to attack muh patriarchal power structures

[Anonymous No.9260599]

>>9258326
>draw attention to their work

""""""Work""""""

[Anonymous No.9260601]

>>9258136
>>9258148
>largely
Brainlets

[Anonymous No.9260693]

>>9258125
90% chance this is bait.

[Anonymous No.9260711]

>>9258264
Shut up nazi

[Anonymous No.9260719]

>>9258125
Welcome to the West.

[Anonymous No.9260721]

If you think about it this article is true. Everyone knows beaners and pajeets discovered zero and niggers discovered the golden ratio. White people are so racist.

[Anonymous No.9260770]

>>9258130
While I agree most of mathematics was developed by the Greeks and Europeans, especially more recent fields, you have to understand this comes from the wealth generated by the placement of these regions in relation to other regions and their resources. Trade helped economic growth, and when a country is wealthy it can expend some resources on the arts and sciences allowing them to flourish. That's how the Golden Age of India happened, through trade with Rome in the spice trade, that's how the Islamic Golden Age happened, through the trade on the Silk Road and its military's strength, that's how the Renaissance happened, through trade with the East, silver mining, and Crusading, and that's how Ancient Greece and Modern Europe developed mathematics via Imperialism and trade for wealth to support such studies. Just to be clear though, I disagree with the article posted by OP.

[Anonymous No.9260778]

>>9260770
>I agree but also here's some irrelevant story

[Anonymous No.9260787]

>>9258852
explain to me how the theory of punctuated equilibrium or criticism of gene-centric evolution is somehow a leftist conspiracy to push marxist theory?

You realize saying "punctuated equilibrium perpetuates marxist leftard garbage" is basically the moral equivalent to saying "geometry perpetuates white supremacy," right? You're literally a whiny social justice warrior on the opposite end of the spectrum. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.9260789]

>>9260778
Well, it's important to understand why such developments would happen in only certain regions. People might think a majority of mathematical developments occur in Europe because they are "superior" or something along those lines rather than geographically advantaged.

[Anonymous No.9260837]

>>9258125
Why does he speak of unearned privilege of learning the math is almost literally earning that privilege?

[Anonymous No.9260896]

>>9258125
>A math education professor at "backwater institute X"

stopped reading there
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.9261176]

>>9258125
>Gutierrez
The wall is coming!

Anyways, this roastie studies math education (aka brainet studies), not real math. Moreover, if she took a moment to look at the demographics of math grad students here in the US then she would be forced to acknowledge that it's full of chinks, can't poo-in-the-loos, rich Africans, and middle easterners. Of course this is a fact that she won't acknowledge.

[Anonymous No.9261187]

>>9260789
>the renaissance only happened because of muh economy
wrong you fucking retard, the renaissance resulted in rediscovery and reappreciation of the heritage from antiquity

nothing else could have produced the same result, you think it would have happened if all the greek texts were replaced with superhero comics? You think the greeks and the greek spirit, unique in history, was just a result of economic success? Islam and the greeks and the modern west have nothing to do with each other. You need some form of wealth for a golden age, but the end results will be vastly different depending on the peoples involved.

[Anonymous No.9261193]

ITT: /pol/ actually thinks Pythagoras was the first to notice the sum of squares of right triangle sides.

Glad you so easily confirm your retardedness.

[Anonymous No.9261200]

>>9261193
According to /pol/ every scientist in human history was white. Even if he was a total pajeet, it just meant that pajeets were white and then browned later.

[Anonymous No.9261205]

>>9260896
>some fag at backwater institute x
>some fags at backwater institute y
>all fags at institute z
Slippery slope fags will never learn.

[Anonymous No.9261206]

>>9258170
Mathematics isn't subjective because it works on deductive principles.

[Anonymous No.9261211]

>>9261200
Same with inventors. It's pretty sad lifestyle for them.

[Anonymous No.9261325]

>>9260489
Every STEM person on earth respects the contributions of great thinkers, regardless of where they came from. Everyone respects Ramanujan. Everyone respects Brahmagupta. Everyone respects al khwarizmi. There is no shortage of respect for non-western thinkers, only dumb political (((science))) majors think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.9261338]

Just give me the nukes. I'll launch it without second thoughts

[Anonymous No.9261346]

>>9258276
You dont know what bourgeois means, you are factually incorrect, and mathematics isnt a hobby. Go back to pol

[Anonymous No.9261564]

>>9261211
>American indoctrination centers have kids research nigger inventors
>Google algorithm thinks all relevant American inventors were niggers

[Anonymous No.9261836]

>>9258144
dubs of truth

[Anonymous No.9261844]

>>9258136
How does it feel to have a shit colored skin and small brain?

[Anonymous No.9261852]

>>9258144
Although those ancient mathematicians had arabic names, they weren't arabic, nor islamic. They lived in conquered lands and were forced to take those style of names. This is all written in the text "Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning" and numerous other math texts.

It would be like if Greece had conquered Persia and forced them all to take Greek names/religion, and all texts from that era where in Greek and Firooz the carpet selling merchant who also moonlighted as a mathematician was forced to use the pen name "Aeneas of Mesopotamia, son of Achilleus and Agata".

[Anonymous No.9261861]

>>9258125
Look, I can disprove this article with one number.

0.

[Anonymous No.9261864]

>>9258144
Only problem is that they built on neighboring older works (Greek, Indian...) too.

Not like they did everything.

Algebra also existed before Islam was even founded.

[Anonymous No.9261870]

>>9261852
We wuz Arabic Numbers from India!

One of the great mistakes:
Not allowing Arabic printing presses.

[Anonymous No.9261895]

>>9258394
Greeks were white because they advanced civilization, culture and science.

[Anonymous No.9261914]

>>9258125
https://genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=217509

[Anonymous No.9261934]

>>9258125
Again asians contradict the leftist narrative.

[Anonymous No.9261947]

>>9258323
Math is just an abstraction of physical observations from which are deduced to an objective truth within a set of conditions, as is science. If you have one object with another object, it'll always be two objects. Just like a triangle will always have 180 degrees when totaling all angles of its corners.

The only time when a subjective understanding of math comes into play is if there is an argument of semantics, most changes to science and math occur when a greater understanding of all the conditions to make that equation true or false. But even then, the inherent concept of two individual objects making a collection consisting of two when put together is universally true.

Sure, someone can say that One and One equals Three, so long as Three when translated to our own syntax is Two. Otherwise that person is the idiot who can't do simple algebra because they thought it's racist and bigoted to not look at math through their own lenses and come to conclusions separate from the establishment (Which is what most of these SJW-types try to do, despite trying to become the establishment).

[Anonymous No.9261960]

>>9258155
It's mostly about cowardice. People know who the most aggressive people in the room are (non-whites) and they're choosing to get on the side of the non-whites rather than stand up and confront them.

[Anonymous No.9261994]

>>9258170
That's exactly how this works you little shit.

[Anonymous No.9262040]

>>9258326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PQsdEJ7hYU&t=159s

[Anonymous No.9262110]

>>9260489
>meme results useless in 99.(9)% of cases
POO

[Anonymous No.9262154]

>>9258391
Lrn2counterexample fgt pls

[Anonymous No.9262670]

>>9258125
>White privilege

>Look at Asians: they have no problem with maths
>Look at Jews: they have no problem with maths.
>Look at Arabs: they have no problem with maths.

The only race who have a problem with maths is...

NIGGERS! GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING NIGGERS! DAY OF THE FUCKING ROPE WHEN?!

[Anonymous No.9263592]

>>9258125
>>9260489
Who is Terrence Tao?

[Anonymous No.9263602]

>>9258276
>your intellectual kinsmen are all dead.
>FUCK EDUCATION
>KILL EVERYONE EDUCATED
Thanks, /pol/

[Anonymous No.9263603]

>>9258125
The whole fucking number system is in arabic TFW

[Anonymous No.9263635]

>>9258125
> I kind of can't stand this anymore
Further /POL/ification of /sci/
> there are so many shit boards here and on other sites, please consider those next time you want to "share."

[Anonymous No.9263643]

>>9258125
Thank you, Arabia, for your number system. Fuck this gay article though.

[Anonymous No.9263663]

>>9263643
> FTFY
It is Hindu-Indian that Arabs adopted about half a millennia later...
Thank India for 0 too btw

[Anonymous No.9263669]

>>9263663
Okay, Today I Learned.

[Anonymous No.9264194]

>>9261211
>madam cj walker
she literally just started a cosmetics business

[Anonymous No.9264198]

>>9263635
It's not like /sci/ was ever great, or any other 4chan board. 90% shit, 10% good, but your dumbfuck brain gets triggered at the political posts in the 90%. Kys or make a better thread-

[Anonymous No.9264481]

>>9258144
But Arabs just continued the works of Greeks and Persians, so they're guilty of cultural appropriation, so try again sweetie

[Anonymous No.9264582]

>>9258125
>Gutierrez encourages aspiring math teachers to develop a sense of "political conocimiento", a spanish phrase for "political knowledge for teaching".

>political conocimiento
>a spanish phrase