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Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:08:59 2017 No.9228708 [Reply] [Original]

>R, julia and everything else that isn't MATLAB
why is this shit still even a thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:11:08 2017 No.9228713 File: 1.81 MB, 720x1280, metal gear solid 6 leaked footage.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >MATLAB and everything else that isn't R, julia why is this shit still even a thing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:13:15 2017 No.9228720 >uses bloated high-level languages Just use C/C++ brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:13:45 2017 No.9228721 >>9228713 pls tell me how R or julia are even remotely as good as MATLAB. I'll wait. inb4 free Any software is free when you want it to be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:14:44 2017 No.9228723 >>9228721 pls tell me how MATLAB is even remotely as good as R or julia. I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:18:13 2017 No.9228726 >>9228723 Not a piece of shit to start. Libraries/packages are easily added. None of this it's own library is not writable bs. Very good signal processing and control systems toolboxes. Actually helpful documentation and communities.

Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:25:53 2017 No.9228733

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_%28programming_language%29
>In 2015, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York used Julia to make models of the US economy, noting that the language made model estimation "about 10 times faster" than before (previously used MATLAB)

also doing statistics in MATLAB instead of R confirms you to be a brainlet

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:31:28 2017 No.9228735 >>9228733 >trusting the fed >putting up with clunky unintuitive code when there is an easier alternative makes you a brainlet go back to watching rick and morty

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:34:19 2017 No.9228737 >>9228735 >unintuitive maybe if you're a brainlet

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:39:56 2017 No.9228744 >>9228737 you <- no

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:48:18 2017 No.9228747 >>9228708 MATLAB = overpriced shit Slow composition of open sourced solution that costs thousands.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 07:49:28 2017 No.9228749 >>9228744 see >>9228737

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 08:14:10 2017 No.9228768 >>9228708 If you ignore its horrible, horrible language, MATLAB is pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 08:39:03 2017 No.9228793 >using anything but R for stats Write code, latex and your report in RStudio is pretty comfy

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 10:36:26 2017 No.9228923 >>9228793 >Rstudio How do you stand the response lag on the REPL? I find it infuriating.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 10:56:45 2017 No.9228939 >>9228708 >using proprietary programming languages /sci/ confirmed for dumber than /gee/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 12:02:41 2017 No.9229045 Julia is the true patrician language

Anonymous Thu Oct 12 23:16:06 2017 No.9230239
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>be OP
>be retard engineer
>literally learn only ever touched matlab as a programming language
>make an absolutely abhorrent post on /sci/
Lmao fucking kill yourself you idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 23:18:32 2017 No.9230241 >>9228708 Matlab is bretty gud, definitely better than R, but it triggers autists because it isn't MUH OPEN SOURCE

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 12 23:27:12 2017 No.9230253 >>9228721 MATLAB is a bloated piece of shit, with narrow range of application. Just because it works for your given current needs, doesn't mean shit. It's like saying why does C++ and Java exist when there is C.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 10:07:58 2017 No.9230955 >>9228708 Matlab is one of the worst designed languages I have ever seen, it is so full of garbage and retarded Ideas. The only "feature" it has that it has a great standard library which makes testing things and prototyping things really fast.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 10:31:42 2017 No.9230970 File: 102 KB, 534x400, 1500068778638.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > He felt for a data science meme > I also felt for it > feels bad man Tho matab is shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 10:33:04 2017 No.9230974 Is Julia a meme? I don't want to learn another me language.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 11:23:58 2017 No.9231059 >>9228721 R is built for statisticians by statisticians and has statistical/machine learning libraries that you wouldn't even know existed

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 11:26:15 2017 No.9231064 >>9231059 because documentation for it is so shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 11:29:22 2017 No.9231071 >>9231064 python is the only rival to R in terms of machine learning

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>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 11:42:45 2017 No.9231088 I only want to learn meme languages. I just got done learning ArnoldC. What's next? Python?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 11:44:55 2017 No.9231089 >>9231088 everything that isn't assembly, c and c++ is a meme language.

Anonymous Fri Oct 13 11:57:03 2017 No.9231103

1. MATLABs language is horribly inconsistent.
2. The libraries, astonishingly enough considering they almost exclusively come from one single entity, worsen this problem even further.
3. The often praised plotting capabilities are only easy to use or even viable for the simplest of applications. They fall short in absolutely amazing ways.
4. The GUI tends to crash on complex models. I'm surrounded by people working with complex Simulink models at work and day in, day out, they have it crash on them, several times per day.
5. The MATLAB file formats are a horrible mess and there is no easy way to use them from other languages.
6. It is, of course, pay-for. And yeah, if you're an organization, that matters.
7. It is slow as shit for the heavy lifting. And yeah, I'd like to see a source for >>9231085
because I have a hard time believing that - there's not a lot of code out there than can beat the (C-implemented) SciPy and NumPy libraries in terms of speed.

On the plus side, Simulink is an amazing tool if you want engineers writing their own software and you don't care about the quality of it. Also, it does a decent job at interfacing with many things, better and simpler than most other languages at least.

Anyway, if programming languages were a competition, MATLAB wouldn't even be near the front. On top, you have still C/C++ on top of the compiled software, bare metal market; Java (and JVM driven langs) on top of the general purpose market; and Python on top of the purely interpreted languages with a lead so huge it has lapped MATLAB a few times alread. So yeah, if it were a competition, in the market MATLAB is targeting Python is already basically a monopoly, even though engineers don't realize this at all (amazingly enough).

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:16:08 2017 No.9231130 >>9231103 >It is slow as shit for the heavy lifting [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:18:17 2017 No.9231134 >>9228708 the same reason that all kinds of shitty technology exists because it has libraries that no one can be bothered to write into better languages.

Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:27:29 2017 No.9231154

>>9231103
matlab and the various python packages all use hte same BLAS/LAPACK libraries under the hood so the difference is probably down to how much overhead the benchmarked code had. I could totally see a benchmark like that being (possibly even unintentionally) biased to matlab

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:37:57 2017 No.9231180 >>9228726 I agree, R is pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:41:04 2017 No.9231187 File: 373 KB, 1844x1536, r-matlab-julia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9228721 well lets have an objective comparison

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:43:03 2017 No.9231190 >>9231187 Rcucks on suicide watch

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:49:05 2017 No.9231205 op here, after actually looking at julia I take it back julia is amazing. R is still a pile of dogshit tho.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:54:00 2017 No.9231218 >>9231187 >IDE >RStudio >Not RGui plebs please go

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:59:37 2017 No.9231229 What does /sci/ think of Maple? They're teaching that shit instead of matlab in my uni.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 12:59:41 2017 No.9231230 >>9231205 You should take a look at R as well

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:00:51 2017 No.9231235 >>9231229 it's symbolic instead of numerical which is matlab, tho matlab does have symbolic computing too but it's not the core of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:03:40 2017 No.9231241 >>9231235 wait, maple is both.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:06:39 2017 No.9231251 >>9231235 Which one is better though

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:11:33 2017 No.9231259 >>9231251 they have different purposes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:14:39 2017 No.9231261 R and Matlab are both shit, python is awesome as long as the heavy lifting is done in c/c++

Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:16:20 2017 No.9231264

>>9231251
maple is probably better for symbolic computation. for a time matlab used their code for their symbolic toolbox. tho there is also mathematica for that too. matlab is better for the numeric stuff. matlab's strength is linear algebra, so if you're dealing with matrices it's the way to go also the ide is great.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:19:41 2017 No.9231271 >>9230241 You do realize there is GNU Octave? A literal MATLAB(tm) clone?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:21:56 2017 No.9231274 >>9231271 it's not a complete clone and it's missing the parts of Matlab that are most worth using

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:31:49 2017 No.9231291 >>9231259 ...thanks for the non-answer...

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 13:33:31 2017 No.9231296 >>9231291 it's not a non-answer at all. they're not competing products, so comparing them is pointless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 14:12:18 2017 No.9231386 I use Perl for PCR funsies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 14:24:10 2017 No.9231404 >>9228720 > spends an entire day reinventing the wheel so his code runs 3 seconds faster > even if he's doing it because of his inferiority complex it's still not haskell or lisp > suggesting C++ even ironically > calls other people brainlets

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 14:32:42 2017 No.9231425 >>9231404 >haskell or lisp Worthless langs. Stop with the memes kid.

Anonymous Fri Oct 13 14:37:08 2017 No.9231433

>>9231425
this was exactly my point, work on your reading comprehension.

C and C++ certainly have uses but they are not the same as Matlab's.

There is no point rewriting your code in C unless you're going to run it literally hundreds of thousands of times.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 14:45:49 2017 No.9231456 >>9231404 >3 seconds >30 seconds >300 seconds >3000 seconds >30000 seconds And the next thing you know your shitty space invaders indie clone cant run without gayforce high-g-triple-xXx 29870 xtreme overvolt edition.

>>	Carbon Fri Oct 13 18:51:09 2017 No.9231908 >>9228708 Wait till babby learns C/C++ and stops fearing pointers Then you'll wonder why MATLAB/Java/etc still exist

Carbon Fri Oct 13 18:56:35 2017 No.9231916

>>9231404
>spends an entire day reinventing the wheel so his code runs 3 seconds faster
You don't know C/C++ has libraries, or are you just pretending?
>it's still not haskell or lisp
Still not a dinosaur language without native pointers in the case of haskell?
>lisp
kek@suggesting a dynamically typed language over C/C++

I know you're trolling at this point, but pls stop

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 13 19:33:56 2017 No.9231956 >>9231296 not him but there's a difference between blunt and brief blunt is "neither" or "they have different purposes" brief is explaining what those differences are

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