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I know this is not /pol/ but I wanted to know why it is so hard for someone who likes science to also be a libertarian? It mainly could be because scientific funding is heavily dependent on the public but given the rise of pseudoscience and anti-science conservatism do you think it is about time a Scientist takes a stand and runs for office?

pic related, its Zoltan Istvan, dude ran for President from the Transhumanist Party.

>> No.9226567

>>9226232
>I know this is not /pol/ but I wanted to know why it is so hard for someone who likes science to also be a libertarian?
It is not. Scientists care about science and most people who care about science care very little about politics.
This is obviously different if you are a social "scientist" and your "research" is inherently political.

Real scientists either do not care or keep quiet about their beliefs.

>given the rise of pseudoscience and anti-science conservatism
This has become a non-issue. The conservative right is far less anti science then the left, which continues to deny the basics of biology.
Granted there is some aspect of man-made climate change denial in the conservative right, but that is pretty negligible to the insane beliefs of the left.

> do you think it is about time a Scientist takes a stand and runs for office?
Good lord. Absolutely not.

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>>9226567
>The conservative right is far less anti science then the left
Oh here we go.

>> No.9227890

>>9226232
Scientists tend to have a mindset that is not very much suited for politics. It would have to be someone like Neil DeGrasse Tyson or Bill Nye to get anything done. Your average autistic scientist is unfit to communicate well and play the game of influence needed to succeed in politics.

>> No.9227899

>>9226567
>Granted there is some aspect of man-made climate change denial in the conservative right, but that is pretty negligible to the insane beliefs of the left.
That's not the only problem with conservatards. They also promote creationism, anti-vaccination and other ways to get in the way of scientific progress when it doesn't favor their beliefs (as with stem cells research).

>> No.9227924

>>9226232
>why it is so hard for someone who likes science to also be a libertarian?
It's not. There's nothing remotely contradictory about those views, they aren't related at all.
It just looks that way because the noisiest, most visible people are always the stupidest and stupid people tend to dislike things that are hard to understand.

>> No.9227931

>>9226232
Please look up who Robert Heinlein, Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, Michael Flynn, SM Stirling and John MacAfee are.

>> No.9227957

Smart people tend to enjoy science

Smart people also tend to lean left

Hmmm, really makes you think

>> No.9228017

>>9226567
>>9227890
>Scientists
His post says "someone who ""likes"" science", not "scientists".

>> No.9228032

>>9227957
ya dude i love rick n morty too!!!

>> No.9228036
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>>9227899
Yeah well, in a college class full of libtards; they all shockingly gasp about stem cells & pig-human hybrid organs/embryos as if it's something out of a fucking horror show.

>> No.9228042

>>9228036
>libtards
No need to add the "tard" there, it's implicitly clear.

>> No.9228115

>>9227899
>creationism
only amerilards
>anti-vaccination
the left does this as well

>> No.9228129

>>9227957
>colleges tend to be run by marxist whiners
Wowowowow I'm seriously thinking here!

>> No.9228222

>>9226232
>Libertarian
>Politician
Lol
No science revolves around mutual aid, cooperation and to some extent workers self management in practice, but is dominated by industries taking advantage of science through education, research funding and resource allocation, the scientific community also has many unfortunate connections to welfare from the nanny state.
Also libertarianism is a highly repressed and obfuscated ideology, which is why only tenorred professors and students can advocate for it within the scientific community.
I'm talking about real libertarianism of course not mouthbreathing "right libertarianism"
Unfortunately it's impossible to have fully functional libertarian socialism in a capitalist society under state and private hegemony. The only option is for scientists to engage in anarchy

>> No.9228417

right is pro science, left is pro propaganda science

its christcucked cuckservatives and finger wagging atheist gaia-ists who hold back eugenics and gene/clone experimentation.

>> No.9228422

>>9228417

>Right is pro military science and Left is pro health science

Fixed that for you Anon.

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>>9226232
>why it is so hard for someone who likes science to also be a libertarian?
Huh? Not for me.

>it is about time a Scientist takes a stand and runs for office?
Politics is not merit driven, you can't have a decent ruler.

>> No.9229667

>>9226232
Scientists will find it hard to get far in government because the general public isn't particularly interested. They certainly don't want to be educated by a politician, they want to have their preexisting views catered to.

>> No.9229676

>>9228417
>atheist
>gaia-ist
smd

>> No.9230973

>>9228017
>His post says "someone who ""likes"" science", not "scientists".
What?
from OP
>do you think it is about time a Scientist takes a stand and runs for office?

I do not think there is any ambiguity there.

>> No.9230976

>>9227899
And? The left is still worse. I have never heard of mainstream acceptance for views such as creationism or anti-vaxers, but there is enough real anti-science pushed by the left. See gender "spectrum", equality between the races and sexes and so on.
All of that is completely unscientific and part of mainstream political discourse.

Creationism is a fringe believe held by a few individuals on the religious right, the "wage gap" is a common belief among the mainstream of the left.
Both are false and unsupported by any evidence, but one is in the public spotlight and widely accepted and the other denounced by almost any individual in the US.

>> No.9230982

>>9226232
>I know this is not /pol/ but I wanted to know why it is so hard for someone who likes science to also be a libertarian?
all meaningful progress requires more than private funding

>> No.9230983

>>9230982
Is that a theorem?

>> No.9230986

>>9227875
you destroyed that strawman

>> No.9231376

>>9230976
[Some] scholars and scientists believe in the wage gap and gender ""spectrum"" respectively. Dumb-dumbs base their politics on the bible, which is half of the American right

>> No.9232080

Most scientists only know about their narrow field of work and look like idiots when they pontificate about other issues. See Climate Scientists pretending they are Economists and consistently being BTFO for not even understand the time value of money, let alone discounting.

>> No.9232208

>>9226567
>Granted there is some aspect of man-made climate change denial in the conservative right, but that is pretty negligible to the insane beliefs of the left.
i don't know how you could possibly think this. the gender spectrum shit is annoying but fucking our environment is 10000x worse

>> No.9232460

>>9226232
Because being a politician isn't about intelligence, truth, specificity, serving the people or making positive change. It's primarily about being born into the ruling class and being a simpleton pet of private corporations and other organisations, formal and otherwise.

>> No.9232461

>>9231376
>Dumb-dumbs base their politics on the bible, which is half of the American right
And?
What is wrong with basing policy on the Bible? It is an important work and hugely influential on western civilization as a whole.
Do you seriously think that it is bad to incorporate Ideals such as "you shall not kill" is bad? As long as the fundamental secular nature of the state is not effected and no laws are passed to discriminate against religions I do not see what is wrong with taking the Bible as a moral foundation.

>> No.9232462

>>9231376
>[Some] scholars and scientists
No, its also politicians. Obama mentioned it in a speech of his.

>> No.9232656

>>9226232
read Atlas Shrugged if you haven't already

>> No.9232669

>>9226567
>The conservative right is far less anti science then the left
People unironically believe this?

>> No.9232672

>>9227957
Higher education is a liberal brainwashing facility that also extracts your shekels

>> No.9232673

>>9232672
>that also extracts your shekels
does it?

>> No.9232954

>>9232672
the shekel extraction only happens in the US, but smarter people lean left everywhere in the world

>> No.9233052

@9232954
>but smarter people lean left everywhere in the world
Doesn't make leftism any less retarded.

>> No.9233057

>>9232669
Only absolute retards

>> No.9233136

>>9232669
>People unironically believe this?
Of course.
The left denies the basic facts about race and gender.
Aside from a small part of the American conservative right, globally most "conservative right" people accept it and try to combat it.

>> No.9233162

>>9233136
>The left denies the basic facts about race and gender.
Retarded screaming feminists do not hamper science, lack of funding does. If you think SJWs are anything other than useful idiots when you're deluded.

>> No.9234002

>>9227875
perfect example that leftists can't meme. only steal. that said, it's a matter of flavor. conservatives deny climate change and are usually religious. liberals deny racial differences and are usually pop-scientists.
>>9227890
all in all, i just want a politician who will coldly deny gibs to dumb parasites of whatever race, will promote enlightened eugenics, and will spend a generous amount on space funding.
>>9226232
tbqh, i'm wary of Transhumanists. i've seen enough to think it might be linked to (((subversion))).

>> No.9234135

>>9234002
>liberals deny racial differences
Science denies racial differences. They're equivalent to dog-breeds and are just made up nonsense with no scientific grounding. Many biologists don't consider subspecies to be a valid concept either. If you are going to divide things into categories, there should not be overlap within your categories.

>> No.9234222

dividing people into left and right at all costs is even more ridiculous than racial classification of humans. They're both categories too broad to be useful for science and the only thing they do is give credibility to retards who need buzzwords to justify their drivel

>> No.9234235

>>9234135
>Science denies racial differences.
Spotted the (((""""scientist""""))).

>> No.9234240

>>9233052
wow left must be a really bad direction

>> No.9235316

>>9232461
You are talking to someone who has been brainwashed into hating anything Judeo-Christian by the left. They fail to see that all western values were in fact motivated by the ideals in the Bible.

>> No.9235324

>>9232672
liberalism is a right-wing ideology, idiot

>> No.9235326

>>9234002
liberals aren't leftists

>> No.9235328
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9235328

>>9234135
>science denies racial differences
Kek

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9235330

>>9234135
Even your dog analogy is retarded.

>> No.9235338

>>9235328
ah yes lets add a nationality in the mix for some reason

>> No.9235341

>>9235324
>>9235326
Their right you know

American Liberalism is like center right

>> No.9235381

>>9226232
I like science and study engineering physics, and on /pol/ and basically anywhere I would be considered hardcore-SJW. Not saying that I'm not.

>inb4 engineering gay memes

>> No.9235508

>>9227875
One thing I have learned is that race terms like black or white are not very useful. Within blacks for example there is a huge diversity of characteristics that greatly exceeds that of Europeans. Meaning black people can be more different from each other than any European can be different from another one.

>> No.9235519

>>9235381
What is engineering physics? Sounds like an engineering degree for dimwits.

Who else /MechEMasterrace/?

>> No.9235550

>>9235508
It's useful in a sense that you can make rough categories for people based on their outward appearance.

>> No.9235622

how the fuck is it hard being libertarian and a science/math enthusiast? We believe in smaller government not anarchy, even in an ideal libertarian society there'd be a public science sector. It doesn't even make up 2% of the budget. Libertarianism is mainly about cutting beneficiary programs and defense spending, everything else (less than I think 19%) is good to go.

t. Libertarian science/math enthusiast

>> No.9235628

>>9235316
>the sand people ideals my daddy beat into me are western, I swear.
Dirty little nazashit. Take your agape and shove it. Roman shame and glory are all we have ever needed in the west.

>> No.9235647

>>9227875
>city people have higher iqs

>not people currently living in cities where univerties and other oppertunities tend to be which then attract higher iq individuals from suburban and rural areas

>> No.9235723

>>9235628

Our ideas of the West formed during and after the middle ages. Rome was a very different and alien place.

>> No.9235780

>>9235723
>Our ideas of the West formed during and after the middle ages.

No, they're a continuous evolution. One of the larger contributions is the Lattitude movement from England, without which there would be witch hunts. Still anyone basing policy on the bible is fucking stupid.

>> No.9235786

>>9235519
eng phys has higher GPA restraints than any other eng prgram

>> No.9235858

>>9235341
>>9235324
That's still left of me, idiot.

>> No.9235953

>>9235858
ok, benito

>> No.9236003

>>9235316
No, they were motivated by the Greeks and Romans. The Bible and Christianity as we know it today is just a sect of Hebrew Judaism with all the Jew shit replaced with Greco-Roman ideas and customs slapped with Jesus all over them. I bet you think we celebrate Christmas because it's Jesus's birthday, huh?

>> No.9237416

I was libertarian leaning in a country where there's not a lot of them. Met some nice people, but it felt too much like Dunning-Kruger.
Got in too many arguments over climate science and I couldn't take it anymore.

>> No.9237438

>>9236003
Not sure if trolling or really this autistic.

>> No.9237642

>>9237438
These same people are the people that think they are geniuses because they watched Carl Sagan's Cosmos and think they are enlightened because they know the secret of the evil science hating church that Sagan, and pretty much all the left peddles uniformly. They think they are the fringe and being edgy, but don't realize how mainstream and basic as fuck they really are