/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.9146515]

How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?
Everyone and their mother is being memed into getting a science degree, and the job market simply can't handle it.
None of my friends who did mechanical engineering found jobs yet, same with my chem E friend, and it's been 6 months since graduation.
The only one in my group of friends that has a job in his field is a comp E, but even then he's only making like 40k, 20k less than the average for a new grad 5 years ago.


I decided to get my PharmD and I'm seeing that it's literally fucking impossible to find a job as a pharmacist anywhere but Texas and Alaska, the market is simply too saturated; too much supply and not enough demand.


Stem degrees aren't cheap, I was on a full ride in undergrad and I'm most likely going to finish grad school with 120k in debt.
What are you /sci/entists planning to do once you finish school? This shit literally keeps me up at night and the apathy is starting to affect my desire to study.

[Anonymous No.9146528]

>>9146515
>What are you /sci/entists planning to do once you finish school
Dunno lol, I'll figure it out once I get there.

[Anonymous No.9146529]

>>9146515
>None of my friends who did mechanical engineering found jobs yet
Hey don't you dare scare me ok

[Anonymous No.9146530]

>>9146515
I focus on what I can control and do my best at it.

[Anonymous No.9146534]

>>9146515
>saturation in stem
>None of my friends who did mechanical engineering found jobs yet, same with my chem E friend, and it's been 6 months since graduation.
This is a thing?
FUCK
I'm on full ride so I'm not putting my money on the line, but I am putting 4 years of my life on the line.

[Anonymous No.9146536]

>>9146515
you and your friends should have gone into internships when you were still in college instead of fucking around

"i already graduated and haven't been doing jack shit for 6 months" looks horrible, you better start doing something asap if you want to ever be employed

[Anonymous No.9146541]

"shortage in stem" has been shilled in the media since at least 2008

it's just a plot to drive down wages and make people desperate for work for one of the last professions in the united States that are still comfortable. all the h1bs make it all the more worse

fuck this gay earth

[Anonymous No.9146552]

>>9146541
>"shortage in stem" has been shilled in the media since at least 2008
This is true, my pharmacy school is still spewing this shit despite the market being completely the other way now.
My own advisor told me I should probably be looking into either alaska or think about joining the military as a health officer or whatever it's called.
>>9146536
They've done multiple internships during school, TA'd, and were in the top 20% of their class.
There's just no fucking jobs.
In my case it literally doesn't matter what the fuck I do, no one will hire me in 4 years because the market is bad NOW, just imagine how bad the health care market will be in 2021.
>>9146528
>>9146530
I can't do this. It's always in the back of my head. I'm constantly thinking about it and it's bumming me the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.9146557]

>caring about the future
>not just dealing with it as it comes
fucking cuck

[Anonymous No.9146558]

>>9146515
I memed myself into a physics major and now I'm working in a fucking furniture factory. That's the best I got so far.

[Anonymous No.9146565]

>>9146515
The future is pretty grim. Society is a monolithic normie block of underemployed "STEM" grads with no capacity to resist automated security forces. With nothing to do except live off government welfare through some stupid basic income scheme, people devolve into savagery through boredom and lack of purpose. The oligarchs realize that society without culture, traditions and change is meaningless and boring; ruling a kingdom of automatons is unfulfilling. Either they degenerate even more and become extreme hedonists or they just shut everything down and reset the game with nukes.

We are literally becoming the Eldar in their transition towards the Dark Eldar, except we co-exist and let lesser races like Orks breed with us.

We are literally in the shittiest timeline.

[Anonymous No.9146570]

>>9146565
So what the fuck are we supposed to do?
A majority of us will owe money to either the government or private banks and I really doubt the average 4chan/sci poster can deal with the stress of loan sharks hunting them down.
I know I can't

[Anonymous No.9146572]

>>9146515
That's why I got a degree in the Liberal Arts.
I got hired as soon as I finished uni.

[Anonymous No.9146573]

>>9146552
>They've done multiple internships during school
and yet none of those place wanted to hire them? sounds like a lie, or they're terrible

[Anonymous No.9146574]

>>9146515
>How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?

I am not in the US and my degree (mathematics) isn't saturated at all here. I got lucky, I think. There is even a lack of mathematicians here, which is why I already have a full ride not only for undergrad but for a master and Ph.D. The only problem is that this is caused by the fact that the research scene here is small and the universities are nowhere close to being the highest ranked so if I want to "become famous" I will inevitably have to try and crack into the US market which is saturated. That said, if I do not make it that far then I at least won't be a perpetual minimum wage suicidal postdoc because I will have the option to just settle down here and be a highly paid full-time professor and researcher, just in a less famous place. And that is fine too, there are researchers here and some of them literally make 6 figures. 6 fucking figures just for doing math. Comparing that to the 40k a year people get in the US makes it sound very good.

[Anonymous No.9146578]

>>9146552
>joining the military as a health officer or whatever it's called.
Military seems like a sweet deal overall if you have a degree, 95% of the jobs in the military have nothing to do with infantry I'm surprised more people don't do it. Working as a pharmacist for the airforce seems near ideal to me. I'd do it if I weren't dq because of my diabetes.

[Anonymous No.9146583]

i am studying exactly what i want and i won't even consider changing my degree over some petty ass problem like getting a job. if i don't find one immediately i'll just travel the world even if i don't have any cash, you guys are a bunch of pussies

[Anonymous No.9146586]

>>9146570
Devolve into savagery? Our society is bursting at the seams and soon enough Western society will die. This is the consequence of letting moralist "humanitarians" and Jews infiltrate our society.

You want to know who will inherit the ashes of Western society? It'll be the Russians and Oriental nations. They'll watch us collapse like bastards, pick apart the ruins of our empires, and then "clean out" the degenerates that linger on.

Like I said, the future is fucked. I honest to god believe that the only chance the world has for a truly meaningful future is if we ship off select groups of whites on space ships as far away as possible from this solar system, and let the Eastern nations deal with an eternal nigger/sandnigger insurgency as they scavenge the globe for resources.

[Anonymous No.9146587]

>>9146573
There's a million fucking engineers just in america, and a billion more from india willing to work for a bowl of rice.
There's literally no reason for a company to hire more than one or two american engineers, and they would just manage the pajeets.
And because they're "managers", they want 5 years of experience.
And guess what, it's basically impossible to stand out in this market. Everything you did will be one uped by chang, and then some.

[Anonymous No.9146590]

>>9146565
>The future is pretty grim. Society is a monolithic normie block of underemployed "STEM" grads
Socialist retards actually believe this. It is about supply and demand. Both (((higher education))) and (((industry))) benefits from 1) churning more people through costly college tuition (aka liberal brainwashing) and 2) an increased pool of potential wageslaves, which can be used to depress wages.

Higher education is the BIGGEST meme

[Anonymous No.9146591]

>>9146578
You still have to go through a version of boot camp, attend of a ton of military shit and give up any other citizenship you have.
If I gave up my greek citizenship my mom would disown me

[Anonymous No.9146595]

>>9146583
Have fun being homeless and living on the run from tyrone the loan shark

[Anonymous No.9146598]

>>9146578
The ROTC scholarships are pretty sweet too. $18000 for tuition, ~$2000 spending money every year, $900 textbook money in exchange for serving for 4 years once you graduate. Some colleges have scholarships for ROTC cadets that cover room and board or part of it too.


>>9146591
it's really not that bad.
you do need to renounce your dual-citizenship for security clearance, though.

[Anonymous No.9146599]

Haha Engineering fags btfo
Enjoy your meme degree you cucks.

[Anonymous No.9146601]

>>9146590
No shit you retard /pol/ack. The Jew fucks want our society to have an abundance of skilled labor to depress wages, and then they'll have every excuse to make us fight over bits and pieces.

Too bad they forgot that Tyrone is outbreeding them both in American and Israel, and Ahmed isn't too far off from being the majority in Israel either.

Fuck them all, I hope the Chinese gas this whole hemisphere with anthrax.

[Anonymous No.9146603]

>>9146586
Will this happen in 4 years though?
Other wise I'll still need to keep my GPA up...

[Anonymous No.9146604]

>>9146601
Literally what I just said you fucking retard, work on your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.9146605]

>>9146590
BUT EVERYONE DESERVES AN EDUCATION YOU FACIST PIG!!!!!111!!!

[Anonymous No.9146608]

>>9146515
In some cases like Physics you need a PhD to get to the interesting stuff.

There is always a need for good people at the USPTO, pay isn't too shabby either.

[Anonymous No.9146609]

>>9146598
>you do need to renounce your dual-citizenship for security clearance, though.
I don't want to make my mom sad though.
Also going back to greece is my exit strategy for when it all collapses here. Can't really give that up

[Anonymous No.9146612]

>>9146586
>>9146590
>>9146601
Conspiracy theories are simple explanations to complex problems for simple people.

[Anonymous No.9146614]

>>9146599
It's heavily affecting medicine too. Especially Pharmacy, Internal Medicine MDs/DOs and Dentists

[Anonymous No.9146621]

>>9146578
>I'd do it if I weren't dq because of my diabetes.
>tfw people with diabetes are turned away from the military but psychotic trannies who join up just to cut their cocks off on the government's dime are welcome in droves
what the fuck is wrong with this society

[Anonymous No.9146622]

>>9146603
No, you get the dubious honor of living in the shitty transition period where niggers and hispanics become the majority, then start bickering with eachother until the sandniggers come in big enough numbers to play in the sandbox too.

Then the decline is just one long century of social and technological decay as the Jews realize they played a dangerous game and watch Israel fall to Leftist retards just like every other nation with decent living standards.

Your degree might get you a decent job now, but to say the least there is no guarantee of your future. Your kids are totally fucked though, don't bother having them unless there is talk of a spaceship sending people to other planets.


>>9146612
I used to dismiss the bullshit on /pol/ about the great global conspiracy. But I'm catching more and more (((chosen))) figures trying to push retarded memes to the masses. It's bad enough to witness the social decay now compared to my childhood, when the stupid shit was just getting ramped up. I can't imagine how people like me felt in the 60's.

There are other factors associated with our decline, but the death-dealing blow will always be shadow actors using economics to play god out of sheer boredom. Jewish, White, whoever they are, they've really fucked things up now. I only use the term "Jew" to denote them because most of their higher level shills in government, academia, entertainment and finance are Jewish. There are plenty of Jewish right-wingers that are just as horrified by the state of affairs as white right-wingers are.

[Anonymous No.9146625]

>>9146621
>what the fuck is wrong with this society
Politics.
Gender dysphoria is a mental disease but people with that disease politicized it and turned it into an identity so that they are protected under the various equal opportunity laws.

You have diabetes, all you need to do is say that "health" is in a spectrum and that you reject the "healty/unhealthy" binary. You identify as a non-binary health-status person, and that you deserve the same rights as so called "healthy" people.

[Anonymous No.9146626]

>>9146609
You don't need to renounce until they perform the SSBI, at which point they will ask you to renounce your citizenship. This will be in your senior year of ROTC, after you have already signed a 4-year service commitment and taken the oath of enlistment.
>>9146621
Spend less time on /pol/. The government (was) very conservative in their acceptance of transgenders. It was tightly controlled, and hardly "in droves".
Because disorders co-morbid with gender dysphoria are DQing, they didn't join in droves either. Only a few thousand service-members are transgender. They've been grandfathered in but no new transgenders are going to be allowed henceforth.

[Anonymous No.9146633]

>>9146626
A few thousand trannies is a few thousand too may imho. Medication and logistical upkeep is wayyy more expensive for trannies than people with diabetes who need insulin. It's ridiculous either way.

[Anonymous No.9146639]

>>9146515
>How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?

Easy, I'm going to med school. Gotta love that artificial deficit in doctors.

[Anonymous No.9146640]

>>9146633
I don't disagree. The "untapped talent pool" from the transgender population is minuscule, whereas the readiness concerns and medical costs are disproportionately high. I agree with the decision to bar transgenders. Could've been handled better, but there was a reasonable outcome. Now that we have spent the money training, transitioning, whatever a couple thousand transgenders, it doesn't make much sense to kick them out and eat those costs. Just grandfather them in, but bar transgenders from joining in the future.

[Anonymous No.9146643]

>>9146639
How does the pre-med track work? I'm in mechE ug so it's probably too late for me.

[Anonymous No.9146646]

>>9146633
Upkeep costs for transgender servicepeople are negligible and are a tenth of what the army spends on Sildenafil.

[Anonymous No.9146648]

>>9146646
That is a horrible abuse of statistics I'll let you figure out why is it not a valid comparison.

[Anonymous No.9146649]

>>9146639
Pharmfag here
You're joking right?
You're most likely going to end up in IM, where they're phasing out staff MDs in favor of cheaper PAs and NPs.
Enjoy having to live in the middle of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.9146655]

>>9146648
Transgender servicepeople are a minority in the civilian population as they are in the military population and only 0.1% of them seek out treatment that could interfere with operations.

[Anonymous No.9146656]

>>9146587
>it's basically impossible to stand out in this market. Everything you did will be one uped by chang
so it really is "wahhh I suck and people are better than me!" as I thought

git gud. if all you have to show after 6 month is time wasted and shitposts on 4chan, it's your own fault

[Anonymous No.9146666]

>>9146655
Hmm, yes, a few thousand trannies cost a tenth as much as providing anyone in the entire military who wants boner pills access to them, this is supposed to be a point in the trannies favor, yes please do tell me more.

[Anonymous No.9146668]

>>9146666
If this was really about costs, you wouldn't be focusing on what amounts to a rounding error on the army's balance sheet.

[Anonymous No.9146670]

>>9146656
You fucking retard
The market is saturated.
There's literally more supply for stem jobs than demand. If you DO manage to get a job it'll have shit job security and pay because pajeet is waiting outside for you to get fired, he's willing to sleep under the desk and work for some curry everyday.
You're not a special fucking snowflake, nothing you do can stand out in a job market like this.

[Anonymous No.9146671]

>>9146668
It really is like I'm talking to a bot that's just scraping talking points from huffpo articles.

[Anonymous No.9146674]

>>9146643
It's not too late at all if you actually wanted to. You can major in anything you only need to do certain classes. Mainly bio 1 and 2, Chem 1 and 2, o chem 1 and 2, Biochem 1 with some schools wanting a stats class and a English or two. They may start wanting a psychology class or a biostats class at some point but not yet.

>>9146649
You're delusional. Based on what? Almost every area is underserved in the States and there are plenty of high paying specialities that are desperately needed like neurology. No doctor is out looking for a job.

[Anonymous No.9146675]

>>9146671
Transgenders in the military aren't a problem.

[Anonymous No.9146676]

>>9146612
Damage control.

[Anonymous No.9146680]

>>9146670
You sound obsessive and somewhat delusional. Reminds me of the way /r9k/ talks. I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole.

[Anonymous No.9146681]

>>9146674
>Based on what? Almost every area is underserved in the States and there are plenty of high paying specialities that are desperately needed like neurology
Aw, is that what they told you at your white coat ceremony?
DO and MDs have merged residencies now. DO schools are a joke compared to MD schools, and they WILL outperform you on GPA and USMLE step 1. Meaning that getting into a speciality that got a whole lot fucking harder.
Most likely you will end up in an IM residency in the midwest, unless you came out of a top 5 MD school, in which case yes, you'll get to be in NYC or LA or wherever ever the fuck you want.
The "brain-drain" of rural areas doesn't exist any more. Most medical practitioners have realized that living in a rural area means more money towards their loan payments and in their pockets, they also get to work less hard.
This is especially true with specialties.

[Anonymous No.9146683]

>>9146680
Denial is step one anon.
I just hope you can run fast, tyrone the loan shark is pretty jacked

[Anonymous No.9146685]

>>9146681
DOs are worth more days imho because it is a guarantee your doctor went to a school in the united States and not in a diploma mill in the Caribbean or mexico

[Anonymous No.9146686]

>>9146683
I'm graduating without debt and won't be needing Jamal or Tyrone to lend me money.

[Anonymous No.9146708]

>>9146686
Good for you, hope mommies money can support you until you find a barista job.
>>9146685
They really aren't. DO school is pathetic, especially the new schools.
Sure the curriculum looks like the standard that they need to follow for accreditation, but DO schools are way easier in terms of getting in and terms of class difficulty. Additionally, because of that first point it's much easier for a DO to stand out and have a 4.0, most of his peers are idiot psych majors who couldn't get into med school.
Carib schools don't even count anymore. There's just no place for them. DO students took up the few available spots that were reserved for IMGs.
This is going to get even worse with all these new DO schools popping up, while the # of residency programs stay the same.
Literally the same situation with pharmacy.I don't know who's out to destroy medicine in America but they're doing a hell of a good job.

[Anonymous No.9146716]

>>9146529
my friend went to cal poly pomona had decent grades and he had a job before he even graduated.I think what really helped him was that he worked on an engine for a go kart at school.he works at fisker automotive

[Anonymous No.9146718]

>>9146708
>Carib schools don't even count anymore.
People are still matching into the lower tier residencies in major coastal cities from Carib schools. I personally know two Indian girls who did this and they still managed to get residencies in Boston and nyc. Ridic.

[Anonymous No.9146720]

>>9146681
> Aw, is that what they told you at your white coat ceremony?

No that's what literally everyone says if you simply Google job growth for any doctor speciality or the doctor shortage. For real life, my hometown has enough neurology patients to support 10 physicians but we only have two.

> DO and MDs have merged residencies now.

No their accredidation will merge in 2020 and who cares? This doesn't mean DO can apply for MD residencies because DOs could always get into our MD residencies. The effects of the merging remain cloudy but I have not heard a single person make the claims you have.

>They will out perform you

And why is this? Why would people with lower GPAs and MCATs on average be more like to score better on the Steps? Even if they do, they could again always apply for MD matching so that is not changing.

So basically you're talking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.9146724]

>>9146515
What kind of dumb cuck are you?

go to indeed

search 'engineer'

within 10 miles of however u want to travel

100s of jobs within 100 mile area added a week just apply and in the interview state that you dont need your hand held on the assignment.

[Anonymous No.9146734]

>>9146724
90% of those job listings are 10 years of experience required or more, the average kid fresh out of gate with little experience or connections are necessarily locked out of those positions

[Anonymous No.9146736]

>>9146734
protip: apply anyway.

[Anonymous No.9146739]

>>9146724
>He actually thinks the postings on Indeed and Monster are real!
They're required to post those you idiot. They aint hiring shit

[Anonymous No.9146744]

>>9146724
they post these jobs and then offer them for $32,000 a year so no American will take them and they're "forced" to hire an H1-B pajeet

[Anonymous No.9146748]

>>9146739
I listen to a lot of am radio and they're constantly advertising high level engineering positions and they instruct people who are interested to mail their resumes with snail mail. Is this real life?

[Anonymous No.9146751]

>>9146720
The residencies are merged starting 2016 you mong. That means Caribbean idiots have basically no hope anymore.
Stop trying to take examples from a few years ago and apply them today. Shit changed and it's still changing for the worse.
Corporations that own hospitals, clinics and pharmacies don't think we deserve 6 figure salaries.
Only step 1 counts and DO schools specifically gear their students to study for it, now that no one is going to take the COMLEX.

[Anonymous No.9146755]

>>9146718
maybe because they were tired of being poo's and actually did something of value in those Carib schools?

[Anonymous No.9146757]

>>9146736
Because false hope is going to pay your bills

[Anonymous No.9146759]

>>9146755
But they were american born and raised and did mediocre in us undergrad.

[Anonymous No.9146780]

>>9146759
Did is the keyword here
This kinda shit simply won't be happening anymore past 2016.
I don't even know why you would wanna do med school anyway
I'd rather deal with a shit job market as a pharmd and "only" have 120k in loans than have over 400k and work as a literal slave for a hospital.
Fuck being on-call.

[Anonymous No.9146783]

>>9146751
Starting to transition meaning they won't be actually merging until 2020 you fucking dipshit. Again your entire point of DO taking over is bs cause again they could always apply. If anything this merger can mean that MD could apply to DO residencies too meaning MDs may have even more options than before. Stop spreading false information. You're being irrational why would MDs not be preparing students just as much for step 1? That's the whole fucking point of the first two years for everyone.

Overall the job is growing for all specialities around 14% and from these numbers it doesn't look like anyone is hurting to get into any specialities.

[Anonymous No.9146789]

>>9146780
I'm not in med school nor am I shilling for it I'm just sharing some topical anecdotes. If Carib and Mexican schools are going to have a harder time getting residencies in the us it's obviously a good a thing in the long run.

[Anonymous No.9146801]

>tfw in a top college that's being paid for by a grant scheme with monthly money for buses etc to college
>studying pharmacy and there's like 3 companies with one near my house opening right as I graduate

/comfy/ life right now fellas

[Anonymous No.9146812]

>>9146783
>You're being irrational why would MDs not be preparing students just as much for step 1? That's the whole fucking point of the first two years for everyone.
They don't.
MD schools expect you to deal with Step 1 on your own, which is actually becoming harder and harder the more med schools get rid of formal class like harvard is.
Look at your own fucking table. There are US grads not getting matched. Even in the shit tier specialities like FM and peds.
The residency merger hurts MDs and benefits DOs you idiot. There are MUCH more MD residencies and the small amount of DO residencies was enough for them.
Meaning that all those new DO schools and the older ones that are expanding class sizes will have their excess grads (relative to the number of existing DO residences) take up MD spots, it won't be the other way around.


Basic level physicians like peds, IM and FM will no longer be making 6 figures, at least in densely populated areas. Have fun paying off that 400k loan on 80k a year.

And the job isn't growing. Pharms, PAs and NPs are all encroaching on the Primary care role, combine that with bigger classes sizes and new schools and you're going to have a major saturation problem, just like pharmacy is going through right now.

[Anonymous No.9146815]

>>9146780
Even for the most expensive medical schools the average indeptness is rarely over 220k. Most are blow 200k and many are at 150k. And it's not like you have to work in the select specalities that require you to be on call.

[Anonymous No.9146817]

>>9146801
PhD I'm guessing right, not Pharmd?
If it's the latter I hope you get a job early on and fucking stick to it, because PharmDs are gonna start taking industry jobs once retail completely closes off for them. There are already PharmD/PhD programs built specifically for that.

[Anonymous No.9146819]

>>9146815
The only residency that wont have you working nights is probably psych, and fuck doing that.
You're forgetting the undergrad debt. Sure there's people who are on full rides but most aren't.
Most premeds are going to private schools because they offer much more resources than public schools do. I know this first hand, doing pre-med/pharm was hell for me at CUNY because I was basically on my own.
Schools NYU will basically hand you the research and clinical experience that you need you apply.

[Anonymous No.9146821]

>>9146819
u in Astoria bro?

[Anonymous No.9146827]

>>9146812
How does the merger hurt? Fucking how? It again isn't allow DOs to apply to shit they couldn't already apply to to or anything you fucking dolt. But now MDs can apply for even more residencies they couldn't before? How is that not good?

>Look at your own table

No shit not everyone is going to match. This includes everyone from MDs to DOs in the US. But the numbers are extremely close compared to literally any other job on the market in terms of people applying and jobs avaible. Let's look at Neurology again, only 10 didn't matched. I don't think you need to be in a top 5 residency to get into any of these specialities more like just don't be bottom tier.

>The job isn't growing, ignore all the experts and take my un sources claim.for it.

Serious end yourself. Stop being so bitchy about getting screwed over by pharmacy and stop talking about stuff you don't even know.

[Anonymous No.9146835]

>>9146827
Yes, the very same experts who were calling pharmacy the best job ever with 14% job growth etc etc.
The BLS has pharmacy at 3% growth now.

Do you understand what it means to not match?
In a competitive environment like this you basically only get 1 year to apply, after that you're gonna get over looked.
That means you can't practice.
That means you have to pay off that med school loan with your shitty undergrad degre, god help you if it was bio or psych.
Just the fact that this is happening should worry you.
More and more american MD grads are not matching.
DOs could theoretically apply to MD residencies yes, but their odds were slim to non. An adcom would ALWAYS take the MD over the DO because they know how shit DO schools are; they legally won't be able to do that anymore.
Again, it's much easier to look good coming out of DO school.
I wasn't even looking at the top specialties because the people who don't match into those have a backup plan.
I was looking at the bottom feeder tier.
There are american medical graduates that can't become fucking pediatricians; despite the media memeing that primary care is understaffed and desperate for new doctors.

You should be fucking terrified at what's going on right now. I didn't even bring up how PAs will destroy the clinical market. Everyone and their mother is doing PA school now, and they WILL and already have brought salaries down.
Only engineers have it as bad as us, and the ones that aren't marketable in silicone valley/portland/seattle are straight fucked.
>>9146821
Nah brooklyn, I'm dorming for pharm school though

[Anonymous No.9146838]

>>9146515
>not working for yourself in 2017
whats ur iq

[Anonymous No.9146844]

I just started mechanical engineering degree and one of my professors said he will write a letter of recommendation for every one of us and he has family multiple family members working at Boeing.

[Anonymous No.9146846]

>>9146844
>I just started
I hope his offer still stand in 4 years anon, for your sake

[Anonymous No.9146849]

>>9146844
I don't think your professor diluting the credibility of their recommendations is a good thing. People might soon realize their good word is cheap.

[Anonymous No.9146850]

>>9146844
if he's writing a letter of recommendation for everyone he's writing a letter of recommendation for no one

[Anonymous No.9146861]

>>9146849
>>9146850
I think he won't literally do it for everyone, he's got a PhD in physics and multiple bachelor's including one from Harvard. He worked at the department of defense for some time also. The people in my class are brainlets I think if I establish myself as the best student he would, with no doubt, write one for me.

[Anonymous No.9146865]

>>9146861
Sorry for my grammar English is not my thing

[Anonymous No.9146890]

>>9146515
idk what it's like in the real world but..

I'm studying maths at a liberal arts school that has a program where you study all the math here then transfer to another school to study engineering, and I have ~5 years real world experience that i've gained while also attending school, and I've made tons of contacts despite living in a place with a very small populace (in the US)

But who knows, I might have trouble once I graduate with an BSc Applied Math+EE/associates in physics degree.

[Anonymous No.9146900]

>>9146890
Do actuarial science
Much better use of your math

[Anonymous No.9146966]

>>9146900
definitely good advice, thank you

I have ~5 years in RF tech despite being in school still. I just checked out indeed at several places I'd like to setup camp in the US and all of them have plenty of options that I'm more than qualified for

idk what OP is talking about. sucks for him

[Anonymous No.9146984]

>>9146966
I'm OP...
I suggested a non-engineering job for a reason
Unis in america are pumping engies out at a rate that the market can't handle

[Anonymous No.9146993]

I can't fucking believe it lmao, everybody from my physics class got a job and probably 80% ended up working in their specializations with more than agreeable salary.

Is it really this fucking bad for US cucks? lol

[Anonymous No.9147049]

Are you guys just memeing?
Why does the beige book report that employers are reporting they are having a hard time finding people to hire and they having to raise their wages to attract people and even recall people from retirement to fill shortages? (maybe they are just memeing for an excuse to get h1bs?)
Is this just some kind of demoralization thread?
Why is it that /sci/ usually strongly rebukes /pol/ but not this time?

[Anonymous No.9147059]

>>9147049
>they are just memeing for an excuse to get h1bs?
You literally answered your own question right here. It's not that they are having a hard time finding people, they are having a hard time finding people that will work for a dogshit wage. Hence the h1bs.

[Anonymous No.9147064]

If you're having problems getting hired you might just be shit.

t.Chemistry PhD

[Anonymous No.9147069]

>>9147049
H1B abuse is easily the primary reason tech sector students cannot find jobs after uni. Companies simply aren't interested in hiring Americans when they can import slave labor from India.

[Anonymous No.9147070]

>>9147049
That's exactly what they're doing.
Federal involvement in uni payments have created a business for schools.
Of course, it's the student's that carry the burden.
The avg engie wouldn't want 60-80k starting if he wasn't waist deep in loans.
>>9147064
>Chemistry cuck calling anyone shit
Enjoy teaching gen chem you fucking loser

[Anonymous No.9147081]

>>9147059
Sure but that explanation requires so many moving parts like the way the beige book is constructed how would they all collude to lie to manipulate the report? I could see them lying individually but to make some grand conspiracy is harder. And also if it's them (with echos) then they hurt themselves because the report is used as input into their models for how they allocate their investment portfolios.

[Anonymous No.9147096]

>>9147070
Clearly you don't know shit about the sheer depth of chemistry if you think that's all there is to do career wise.

[Anonymous No.9147110]

>>9147081
>Need people to work
>Don't want to pay for said work
>"We can't find american workers!!!!We are literally FORCED to go recruit in india!!!!
>Laugh all the way to the bank
Meanwhile their bullshit influences statistics with a false supply/demand curve, enabling schools to keep raising tuition, which is fine with students because taking out giant fucking loans is the norm.

This whole debt bubble is gonna collapse, and it can't come soon enough
>>9147096
No one cares about you. Chang can do all that you can and has the same credentials.
He can put up with teaching a million classes a week and still publishing on time. You can't.
Even if you could you couldn't keep it up for more than a few years.
Enjoy burning up in high school or driving for uber.

[Anonymous No.9147116]

>>9146529
Mechanical eng is literally shit tier you should change ASAP if you are really doing that

[Anonymous No.9147137]

>>9147110
You just keep showing your ignorance. Impressive.

[Anonymous No.9147144]

>>9147137
Again with the denial

[Anonymous No.9147171]

>>9147144
you're the one in denial. you can't find jobs because you can't work harder than a literal pajeet. go fuck yourself if you honestly think anyone can outwork me in the workforce.

>>9146984
Like I said, I already have ~5 years in a very specific technical field despite not having even graduated. There's a lot of work out there. Even in my small ass town I've been headhunted several times.

>>9147064
this guy gets it

inb4
>le hard work meme again

[Anonymous No.9147198]

>>9147171
Employers don't actually care whether you can outwork pajeet. Pajeet will take lower pay therefore pajeet gets the job. End of.

[Anonymous No.9147211]

I moved from STEM to business/economics and I couldn't be happier.

[Anonymous No.9147212]

>>9147198
I do more/better work than pajeet regardless of his shit salary home boi

[Anonymous No.9147223]

>>9147198
Not true in chemistry. Generally we have more Poo in Lius than pajeets but it's still the same, they generally don't know their shit in my experience and aren't hired just because they can be paid less. Hell most of my company is white guys and a few girls. The only pajeets or Asians are the computer or software guys.

[Anonymous No.9147414]

>>9147211
moron.

[Anonymous No.9147427]

>why is there an increased demand for technical knowledge in a word of computerized automation?
Gee, I don't know, why did everyone suddenly start studying materials technology and technical operation when the industrial era happened?

[Anonymous No.9147434]

>I'm most likely going to finish grad school with 120k in debt.
How?

1: Undergraduate schools don't matter. Go to a cheap state school and study for your tests.
2: Why would anyone ever pay for a graduate program? Not offering you a stipend TA program is a university's way of saying "we don't want you in our school, but your money is free to stay."

[Anonymous No.9147491]

Lol this is something i dont get. For how smart you STEMfaggots walk around claiming to be, how can you not realize that the massive push by the govt for more STEM graduates is an attempt to cause a surplus and therefore drive down labour costs.? Good luck

[Anonymous No.9147635]

>>9146757
more than not doing anything? yes

[Anonymous No.9147639]

>>9147491
Somebody made that point LITERALLY within the first ten posts

[Anonymous No.9147663]

>but I want a GOOD and WELL PAYING job as soon as I get my degree!
No, it doesn't work that way
There being an abundance of shit paying jobs doesn't equal to there not being any jobs at all like you claim

[Anonymous No.9147669]

>>9146515
>engineering
>science
pick one!!!

[Anonymous No.9147676]

>>9146675
AHAHAHAH.

[Anonymous No.9148207]

>>9146572
Lol. Sad but true. Get degree in diversity studies... easily find job at any Fortune 500 company HR department.

$300k starting salary.

[Anonymous No.9148210]

>>9147434
I don't think that's right for the trade schools like med , Pharm , law , business

[Anonymous No.9148261]

>>9146515
Create your own job instead of look for someone willing to cuck you.

[Anonymous No.9148301]

>>9146515
>What are you /sci/entists planning to do once you finish school?
I finished school a few years ago with an Hon. BSc. in Biology. I wanted to work in conservation but the Canadian government at the time was cutting the money going into that field more and more every year. Combine that with the fact that David Suzuki and others were pushing conservation like crazy it caused a very high supply, low demand market.

I tried in vain for around 6 months to find any job that required a biology degree, not just conservation, around my area but no luck. Might have found something if I was willing to move across the country but I wasn't. I ended up asking a police officer friend about doing forensics. I was told forensics is mostly done by sworn officers, not civilians, but he told me funeral home workers are civilians allowed on crime scenes.

I ended up getting hired right away at a funeral home. Got my license and now I work as a funeral director. Definitely wouldn't recommend it (lots of work, little pay) but at least I have an interesting job that pays the bills and I'm not afraid of losing it.

My best advice: Try to make connections while you're in school. A big part of why I couldn't land a biology job was my lack of real world experience. You need someone to vouch for you at first. Make friends with the PhD's at your uni and see if they can offer you some work. Otherwise you'll end up with a job you didn't go to school for, which isn't a huge deal in the end.

[Anonymous No.9148374]

>>9146515
You are supposed to deal with it by not only looking at your field. The vast majority of people aren't employed in the field they studied in college. For example you could have gone into business out of college with STEM shit.

STEM degrees provide superior employment prospects but that doesn't only mean in their field.

[Anonymous No.9148379]

If you can't find a job then you are either shit credentials wise (shitty/no internships) or you haven't been casting your net wide enough. The solution for both is apply to a fuckton more jobs, that are more geographically extensive and are in fields that aren't your own. If you are unemployed for like 6 months after school you might be a little fucked until you can get absolutely ANY job at all.

[Anonymous No.9148421]

Maybe you should learn a language and work abroad like Pajeet does (and your ancestors probably did too) instead of scratching your balls and crying like a little baby.

[Anonymous No.9148456]

>>9148374
kind of this.

did ChemE, got an extremely shit job but 3 of my friend couldn't even get jobs anywhere (one ended up stacking shelves in a supermarket). couple years later quit and now doing a programming job completely unrelated to chemE. I could probably have directly studied programming and got the job, but a good STEM degree gives you a lot more options when a posible job opens up.

[Anonymous No.9148596]

>>9146515
>feels good being a math + physics major in germany

>math teachers here have to do real analysis+abstract algebra

>mfw when only 8% of teaching students pass analysis 1 and >80% switch major after first year.

> every math or physics major has the fallback option of a comfy high paid low stress teaching job because the teaching students are brainlets and not enough finish their degree.

I mean its pretty useless that high school teachers have know sylows Theorems but you can do your phd in algebraic topology or high energy physics and don't have to worry about a job at all

[Anonymous No.9148619]

>>9146724
>>9146734
>>9146739
Engineer here. i literally got drunk one night and spammed my resume on Indeed about 3 months away from graduation. got a 90k$ a year job in the PNW.

i wasn't even spectacular in college. whopping 3.0 GPA and 2 rinky dink internships with some local construction company. my worst offer was 60k$ a year government job taking care of the abernathy fish technology center. you shitters need to git gud.

[Anonymous No.9148632]

>>9147434
>Not offering you a stipend TA program is a university's way of saying "we don't want you in our school, but your money is free to stay."
Unless you're top of your class at harvard, you're taking out loans for professional school pal

[Anonymous No.9148637]

you should have studied a pure science. science is the root of invention is the root of industry. it's not true that a manual laborer can always do the job of a scientist-but a scientist could always do the job of a laborer.
if you got a degree in engineering, that is 1 degree and not a double major, you will fail to innovate at all (i'm not saying with a double major you definitely would). getting just a bachelors in a pure science is the equivalent of being an engineer-you will not be in the position to discovery anything new. we must innovate or nature will wipe us out.

[Anonymous No.9148757]

>>9147491
>therefore drive down labour costs
You know, I would have no problem with that, if the whole system was balanced.
Pharmacists usually make 110-130k in the US, but I would take in like 25k after everything and loan payments.
I would GLADLY take 80k a year if it meant my tuition was 50% cheaper.
Wages are going down but schools are getting more and more expensive. It just doesn't make any fucking sense

[Anonymous No.9148764]

>>9147663
After 8 years of school and more than 100k in loans with a professional doctorate, I'm fucking entitled to a good and well paying job.
We're not woman's studies majors complaining about the minimum wage here.

[Anonymous No.9148766]

Gonna teach high school here. Don't like physics enough to get a phd or masters but I'm good enough to get a bachelors.

End up in a high school, get a pension, move to japan and live in the countryside like an old man version of barakamon.

[Anonymous No.9148771]

>>9148619
Which flyover state do you live in?

[Anonymous No.9148772]

>>9148637
>you should have studied a pure science
Nice advice there retard.

[Anonymous No.9148942]

>>9148771
i live in Portland. hardly a flyover state.

[Anonymous No.9148950]

>>9148942
An emerging market then. Save up now, because when the saturation moves up to you from seattle and LA/SF you better be ready.

[Anonymous No.9148990]

>>9148950
i don't know what saturation you are talking about. i had plenty of interest from the LA/SF area and Seattle. i could have made 120k in SF but fuck that cost of living. i honestly could have gone anywhere, even overseas if i wanted. all of my classmates who actually took their careers seriously were in the same position. it was something like 90%+ placement for an average salary of 70k for the engineers that graduated with me. i didn't even go to a top 100. don't even think its top 200.

[Anonymous No.9149053]

>>9148771
>flyover state is a bad thing
>not wanting to make 100k in Missouri and live in a big ass house with a shit ton of land

[Anonymous No.9149094]

>>9148619
surprisingly enough 3.0/2 rinky dink internships puts you above a significant portion of the graduating body

[Anonymous No.9149163]

>>9149094
oh i know it does. its how i know the guys whinging about "muh jobs" are the cardboard league shitters.

>be in junior year
>friend is bitching about not getting an internship
>ask him how many applications he filled out
>"oh man, so fuckin' many. like easily 20."
>mfw

[Anonymous No.9149599]

>>9148757
It makes perfect sense. more graduates = more saturation in field. More sat in field = lower wages. Lower wages = more uni level education as workers attempt to specialize further. More people going to uni = higher tuitions, more graduates

[Anonymous No.9149630]

>>9146586
>he thinks china will save us when they are a stage 3 society
for reference, america as fucked as it is, is stage 5

[Anonymous No.9149659]

hi, im currently 20, going to cc for an aa in math, any advice on what i should do afterwards

[Anonymous No.9149679]

>>9149659
Accounting
Not even memeing

[Anonymous No.9149701]

>>9146515
major in EE and you won't have a problem
also try not having shit grades

[Anonymous No.9149706]

Will companies pay for me to come out for internships and stuff?
I would like to try casting my net wider but I don't have a car/license and I've come to learn that 99.9% of the US has no public transport and you literally need a car.

[Anonymous No.9150196]

Can someone please explain to me why the american government and wells fargo bank decided it was a good idea to give a weeb with no work experience/life experience 38000 to pay for school?
I'm still baffled

[Anonymous No.9150325]

>>9146734
>muh 10 years of experience meme
>not knowing that recruiters put that as a filter to get less applicants to sort through

Protip, the longer people work in the industry the less likely they are to leave the company they're at. The X years experience is just to make HR's job easier.

[Anonymous No.9150345]

>>9146515
>browsed /sci/ freshman year in college
>the CS meme was born
>is my major a meme?
>get good grades because easy
>get literally a dozen internship offers
>choose internship across the country for $35/h at top company
>have $90k job offer starting my senior year

what are you all even doing? do you spend any time at all outside of school pursuing your career? this shit is not even hard

[Anonymous No.9150361]

Are you guys this retarted or are you trolling?

This is the best time to be alive in ALL of human's history, especially if you are American.

> Internet
> Air Conditioning
> Solar Cells
> RVs
> nuclear warheads everywhere so there will likely be no major war ever

Pic related, your own countryside. Move there, settle, grow crops, raise many children. The only problem is the state atheist indoctrination mindset. Be creative, you have 50+ years of absolute abundance to enjoy...

[Anonymous No.9150363]

>>9150361

[Anonymous No.9150484]

>>9146515
I graduated IE back in 2013, and have been jumping around a bit. You gotta look for companies that aren't saturated in hiring; that's what's important. Most everyone I knew was going after 3M, Caterpillar, John Deere, and shit like that. I applied to Space X, Rolex, and Lamborghini (hired at the last one out of school). You have to look at places beyond what your school suggests. I ended up moving to Italy for work before going back to school again.

If you're not finding work with an engineering degree, you seriously need to reconsider your searching strategy and resume/cover letter/letters of recommendation.

>>9146736
This is absolutely correct. Each job offer I got stated 3 years minimum experience required. HR has no idea what they're talking about when they write the requirements and hiring normally gets managed by an eng. Department if you make it past initial phone calls.

For reference, I had a 3.6 (because lol IE), two internships (one being 7 months) and was involved in student govt.

[Anonymous No.9150494]

>>9146622
nothing in your posts is science related. leave.

[Anonymous No.9150519]

>>9146515
>leave uni looking for a job
>friends with meme degrees get jobs
>going back to uni to do postgrad just so i can get a meme council job
i had to work in retail for nearly a year and that shit crushed me, being treated like a retard for half the pay of what all your friends are earning is the worst. Half of them did geography type degrees and put in half the effort i did, yet they all end up employed while im stuck on a wage well below living standard in my fucking 20's. Hopefully hydrology/water management will get me employed because i cant bare being poor piece of shit for much longer.

[Anonymous No.9150520]

>>9146565
Niggers are orks and Slaneesh is the ultimate Jew

[Anonymous No.9150527]

>>9146583
This

[Anonymous No.9150536]

>>9146656
Every open job in academia is followed by hundreds of applicants - be it civil engineering or math. You're very naive.

[Anonymous No.9150540]

>>9146675
Please stop posting.

[Anonymous No.9150541]

>>9148207
>MFW i'm literally about to start an engineering degree

[Anonymous No.9150663]

I go to UF and it seems like everyone here gets a good job when they graduate. There are shitloads of recruiters here all the time. Maybe I just don't know the failures but it seems like the memes are true for engineering at least

[Anonymous No.9150758]

>>9149053
Fucking hell, do I know you Anon? Are you that cuck that made fun of me pursuing CS and how all of them wore pajamas at your University?

[Anonymous No.9151133]

>>9150345
>>browsed /sci/ freshman year of college
ayy

[Anonymous No.9151380]

How the fuck do you not get a job going into engineering? I've got a few buddies who went mechE and ChemE and they've all gotten multiple offers for paid internships and good full time jobs. Some of these companies are even offering to pay off their student debt or pay for grad school.

I'm convinced that all of these people that say there are no engineering jobs are just a bunch autists who think there are no jobs because they don't understand how to network and have poor social skills.

[Anonymous No.9151676]

>>9149659
Computer science, or engineering otherwise all your high level maths credits will go down the drain. Accountants make as much as decent tradesmen; hardly good money. Don't do accounting it's the most normies shit tier degree down there with general business. Otherwise do a specialization in finance for your CS degree.

[Anonymous No.9151694]

>do internship
>be good
>don't be a dick, talk to coworkers
>job

I don't understand?

[Anonymous No.9152382]

> Have masters degree in Computer Science & Information Management from a German Uni
> 1 internship (4 month), 3 working student jobs at 3 different companies ~3 years part time work experience in total
> write one application
> get job 2 weeks afterwards as a Software Engineer (no coding, lots of travelling) working with automated guided vehicles
> ~65k€ starting, def. not bad for the area I live

Maybe I got lucky, but at least here in Germany it is not that difficult to get an ’engineering’ job.

[Anonymous No.9152388]

>>9146515
>none of my mechanical engineering friends found jobs

Tell them to stop being shit, there is a mass exodus happening in ME right now because a ton of people are retiring, getting a job in the field is pretty easy atm.

[Anonymous No.9152405]

>>9152388
this right here.

HVAC is comfy and lucrative

[Anonymous No.9152413]

>>9151694
This lol

[Anonymous No.9152414]

>>9152388
same thing with EE.

The nuclear power industry is top loaded with old guys who are working part time in their retirement because there isn't enough people to do the job. They all keep coming back as contractors.

[Anonymous No.9152442]

what are the future prospects for civil engineering?

[Anonymous No.9152446]

>>9152414
I thought nuclear was shrinking ever since the end of the cold war?

[Anonymous No.9152447]

>>9146574
pls tell where you live

[Anonymous No.9152509]

>>9148619
what if they ask you about experience?

[Anonymous No.9152646]

>>9152446
There's still a lot of business in maintenance and operation

[Anonymous No.9153067]

Oh this thread is still going? Well then how about I post some excerpts from the Beige book the Fed published today. Basically they are saying the labor market is tight they are having difficulty hiring people.

[Anonymous No.9153248]

>>9147116
what's a non-saturated engineering field then? Chem Eng. is also shit out of luck. Is Civil fine, there's no way roads and bridges will ever be short of demand.

[Anonymous No.9153463]

>>9152509
you just spin your internship experience to fit the position you are applying for.

[Anonymous No.9153480]

How much truth is there to this?

[Anonymous No.9153489]

>>9153480
fucking zero. the people who got to school for legit white collar professions like doctor, lawyer, or engineer (aka the asian mothers holy trinity) are notoriously conservative. its a lot of christian whites, pajeets, asians, and muslims.

ESS JAY DUBYA's don't go to college for that shit.

[Anonymous No.9153492]

>>9153489
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.9153537]

Is CE a meme?

[Anonymous No.9153541]

>>9153537
only if you are.

[Anonymous No.9153560]

>>9147116
ill be studying in UBA, which mechanical engineering usually shares a lot of courses with naval, civil and hydraulic engineering and are usually renowned for embracing many subjects that usually come in handy one way or another in a proyect or a job

so, in your opinion on which you seem very decisive, why is mech engineering shitty??

[Anonymous No.9153568]

Chemistry major graduated in May 2017 here.

20k in debt from college.

When I entered in 2013 I was naive and wanted to go into medical school

lots of world of warcraft and sleepless nights later I graduated with a 3.3 gpa. I have seen some shit in chemistry but its nothing that studying on the weekend didnt do.

Making $18 an hour doing absolute bitch lab work for American Red Cross (blood bank work - I do hemagluttinations and VARIOUS ELISA assays from 12 am - 8 am)

Yes I usually wake up around 8:30 at night, M-F and prepare to drive 30 mins to work in St.Louis.

I work with a bunch of pajeets and chinese (im white) who make slightly more than me because theyve been STUCK there.

DO NOT GO INTO STEM DEGREE FOR THE MONEY THE SKILLS YOU LEARN IN YOUR B.S. DEGREE JUST ARE NOT NEEDED EXCEPT BITCH WORK IN THIS WORLD.

Currently advertising web dev (mainly building lols wordpress sites) on craigslist.

[Anonymous No.9153588]

>>9153560
its not. Mech Eng, much like EE and Civil is bulletproof.

the problem is, every ME student thinks they are going to be Tony Fuckin' Stark when they graduate and recoil in horror at the idea of doing something so basic as HVAC or manufacturing. its "shit tier" because the job opportunities for guys doing meme shit like robotics or designing the latest Ferrari are coveted and reserved for the best of the best. but at the end of the day, if you want to turn a buck, you will do just fine doing cooling load calculations in excel and giving your opinion on what model of toilet your client should install.

same shit with EE's. they all want to do crazy cutting edge shit when all the demand/money is in dinking around in EasyPower all day.

[Anonymous No.9153592]

I'm doing a Wildlife Science degree at a great ag school but suddenly have the desire to fingerbang mouths all day, what do?

[Anonymous No.9153599]

>>9153588
this. some ppl in my dfq class thought they would get jobs at a koenigsegg plant after graduation lmfaooo

[Anonymous No.9153603]

>>9153537
It's just another name for EECS which is god tier. Exactly the same curriculum, unless you're at some retarded special snowflake meme state uni that offers both programs instead of one.

[Anonymous No.9153609]

>>9153603
Thx

[Anonymous No.9153612]

>>9150536
I'm aware. If you're not better than most of the hundreds you've got no business in academia.

[Anonymous No.9153643]

>>9146572
>I got hired as soon as I finished uni.
Good for you, I however do not want to work at McDonalds

[Anonymous No.9153660]

>>9153643
i've said it multiple times on /sci/, but i'll say it again.

having a degree from a legit 4 year institution, regardless if its in engineering or underwater LGBTQ studies, makes you statistically and significantly better off than the vast majority of the US populace. better lifetime earnings, better health, lower divorce rate.... i could go on.

[Anonymous No.9153884]

>>9153588
oh, ok, so basically just having my mind set for any kind of work will do then

Still tho, some time ago i spoke with a guy that worked HR for about 30 years (And about to retire in 1 or 2 years) and he basically told me that what makes employers almost drag you out of college for a job is internships and projects during your studying years, because it def gives you an edge in whatever the matter you worked on, even if you barely did consultancy work and shit

[Anonymous No.9153895]

>>9153660
maybe you should stop saying it since its incredibly stupid and moot

[Anonymous No.9153914]

>>9152382
Company, Job title? Sounds like a nice job.

[Anonymous No.9153964]

>>9153914


> IG Metall company
> 40 hours contract
> specialist for factory automation
> over 10.000 empl
> in Bavaria
> job title is ‘Software Engineer’

I think for a CS grad one should definetly check out more traditional companies where the majority of empl. are mechanical eng. etc. They have a much harder time finding Software experts than pure software companies like uber, google, microsoft etc. at least in my experience.

[Anonymous No.9154415]

>>9152509
do yall not realize that college is experience

any labwork, hands on training, relevant classes, relevant internships can be spun as meeting experience requirements. Even if you don't meet them, apply for the job anyway. worst case is you wasted 20 minutes of your day, best case you get a job.

[Anonymous No.9154441]

>tfw went into fake science
>tfw got a comfy $60k career that is an $80k job 2 years later

Economics is comfy guys, I recommend it

[Anonymous No.9154488]

>>9146515
What school did you go to?
I didn't even go somewhere special and my grades were B- level. I've been out for like 5 years and I've had 2 mech engineering jobs.
Nearly all my friends found a job $50k+ right out of college. Heck I was actually offered my first job before I graduated.
There's no way it's changed this much in 5 years. In fact it hasn't. We just hired another engineer here who's straight out of college and have an ME intern too. This company has like 70 employees.

[Anonymous No.9154501]

>>9153588
100% agree
Yeah I'd love to be designing roller coasters, but I "settled" on a manufacturing firm where my desk is in front of a wall of windows with a pretty nice view and I can be VP by my early 30s and maybe even own the company one day. Or move on with this wealth of experience.

[Anonymous No.9154506]

Anyone here in Materials Science and Engineering and know the job market? I'm going to a super prestigious school if it matters. The postings on job sites seem to be reasonably plentiful.

[Anonymous No.9154598]

>>9153248
Depends where you go
Texas oil and gas always needs chem E's
Midwest manufacturing needs MEs and industrial Es
places like Hawaii don't need anything aside from a few CEs to check the 3 bridges they have (it's a joke, don't attack my point on the semantics, the point remains)
Pretty sure everywhere has their need for macro EEs tho, but Cali way and Texas need those micro EEs for their tech industry.

[Anonymous No.9154679]

Literally everyone I know who graduated with engineering degrees has a good job. From schools like Purdue, Illinois, Madison, and iowa, not MIT or anything. You guys must really be not trying

[Anonymous No.9155054]

>>9148207
why did you do diversity studies? Is it because nowadays being PC is what is in?

[Anonymous No.9155066]

AAAAHB I'M GRADUATING THIS YEAR AND I'M FUCKED

[Anonymous No.9155068]

>>9146783
Why is Derm on there but not Opthom?

[Anonymous No.9155073]

>>9146515

I went into a STEM field wit ha focus on weapons development, with all the things going on in the world, my job keeps becoming more and more secure

>feelsgoodman.jpeg

[Anonymous No.9155790]

>>9146671
What the fuck are you even talking? You're one dumb ass idiot

[Anonymous No.9155791]

>>9146675
This. Everyone else is being le edgelord.

[Anonymous No.9156052]

Im currently majoring in pure math here in the US. Am I fucked or should I just switch to actuarial science?

[Anonymous No.9156060]

>>9146587
if pajeets can get a job halfway across the world and you can't. the problem isn't with pajeets, son.

[Anonymous No.9156061]

>>9156052
>09/08/17(Fri)16:45:04 No.9156052
pure math is not quite >300k starting any job I want
But it can be very close.
With such a major you can basically do ANY job. Of course now you have to convince your potential employers of that too.
I recommend knowing at least how to code at a basic level. Maybe do internship during your studies in areas that could be interesting for you later. Or take a minor in. lets say, CS, finance, economy, physics...

[Anonymous No.9156062]

>>9146587
>Everything you did will be one uped by chang, and then some

retarded racist memes won't hide the fact that you are mediocre compared to Indian and Chinese engineers and hence they get picked while you shitpost on 4chan

[Anonymous No.9156066]

>Tfw study neurobiology
>tfw Alzheimer's/Dementia becomes leading killer in your country
>tfw research is in high demand and low supply
>tfw fully funded Ph.Ds available

[Anonymous No.9156074]

>>9153568
Also chem degree, graduated back in 2016. Got fired last month from my shitty analytical chemist job making $14.50/Hr

Science jobs are a terrible meme unless you have at least a Masters

[Anonymous No.9156080]

>>9156066
canada?

[Anonymous No.9156104]

>>9156061
I'm also dual majoring in Computer Science but it's more of a failsafe I guess. I like computer science, but I would rather have a career in math. I just want to know if I can actually live comfortably majoring in pure math and not end up some adjunct professor at a community college...

[Anonymous No.9156120]

>>9146739
what the fuck are you talking about man

[Anonymous No.9156121]

>>9147096
>Sheer depth of chemistry
You mean like solving the schrodinger equation till you die?

[Anonymous No.9156130]

>>9148619
Based Rex proving engies are THE most alpha.

[Anonymous No.9156231]

How is it looking for CompSci grads in the future?

[Anonymous No.9156238]

>>9146609
>My plan for when American economy collapses is to go back to Greece
>A country with debatably the worst economy in the world
U wot

[Anonymous No.9156239]

>>9156104
absolutely, you can live very comfortable doing math.
Although "pure math" kinda implies a research position at a university, otherwise you are at least partially doing "applied math".

[Anonymous No.9156243]

Good goyim! Let pajeets FOTB take all your lab and pharma jobs! Yes!

[Anonymous No.9156248]

>>9149706
>99.9% of the US has no public transport and you literally need a car
t. Rural shithole

[Anonymous No.9156499]

>>9150519
Just hang on, anon, your time will come.

[Anonymous No.9156756]

>>9156231
I'm not a yank but where I live it's breddy good. I'm starting my third year and have already had job offers and a summer job.

[Anonymous No.9156818]

>>9153660
statistically all that is irrelevant, cause it's bullshit statistics

[Anonymous No.9156898]

>>9146558

[Anonymous No.9156971]

>>9146565
>retarded speculation about the future
>conspiracy theories
>epic geeky reference
>racism
Everything checks out here.

[Anonymous No.9157000]

>tfw math major
Is there any hope for me at all?

[Anonymous No.9157022]

>>9153480
It's true, the more educated someone is the more liberal they are. Something about understanding the world better makes people not want to use violence to solve problems.
The artist seems to be upset by this

[Anonymous No.9157025]

If you can't find a job get into trades famtachi.

>inb4 shit excuses like "I'm too smart/special for that"

[Anonymous No.9157274]

>>9156239
I don't mind research position at a university if its a good salary. I like math and everything but I still want to live a comfortable life. Are there any research careers in pure math that aren't at a university? And how different is applied math to pure math? Same job outlook?

[Anonymous No.9157306]

>>9157000
nope. i got a math degree and even 3.5 years of analytics experience while in uni. been either severely underemployed or on welfare for 2 years now.

[Anonymous No.9157333]

WHAT FUCKING DEGREE OR JOB SHOULD I PICK THEN?
I HAVE DECENT COMPUTER SKILLS BUT IT SEEMS THAT PROGRAMMING AND COMPUTER SCIENCE ARE A MEME BUT THE MATH IN COMPUTER ENGINEERING IS TOO FUCKING HARD FOR A BRAINLET LIKE ME
APPARENTLY ANY OTHER AREA THAT'S NOT STEM IS FUCKED AND WON'T GIVE YOU JOBS BUT NOW EVEN STEM IS FUCKED UP
WHAT SHOULD I FUCKING DO
SHOULD I JUST DIE OR BECOME A NEET?
DID I GET BORN IN A SHIT GENE POOL
WHY

[Anonymous No.9157341]

ok retards listen up
wanna get a job?

1. do software engineering / computer engineering / retarded name for same degree
2. complete degree
3. move to australia / singapore / dubai / OCE countries
4. get a comfy job around 80k almost instantly
5. shitpost all day because you're only needed for work two hours of eight a day

most you people cannot find jobs because you think america is the only market in the world- which is most definitely retarded because it's the worst and least paying one for STEM degrees

[Anonymous No.9157351]

>>9146515
>How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?
I don't think about it. I just drastically lowered my post-college expectations to being the absolute worst so if I atleast end up in my given field (ayy lmao plant biology) I can kill myself with a smile on my face.

[Anonymous No.9157353]

>>9157341
How the fuck do you move to the other side of the world with no fucking money at all richlord?
Not only that but this high pay/low work thing about computer engineering/science is a fucking meme,they're gonna work you to death

[Anonymous No.9157359]

>>9157341
>do software engineering / computer engineering / retarded name for same degree
Please do not listen to this anon

Software Engineering is typically a shit tier degree. Computer Science and Computer Engineering are the good options. This is in the US naming system at least.

Software Engineering = diagrams and paperwork
Computer Science = algorithms and data structures
Computer Engineering = 75% Computer Science + 25% Electrical Engineering with a focus on low level programming

[Anonymous No.9157365]

So is computer science a fucking meme or no?
I want to be a programmer and this seems to be the main field but make your fucking minds

[Anonymous No.9157367]

>>9157333
Please do not fall for the meme that Computer Science is a meme

It can be as easy or as hard as you make it. If you want you can study hard and take the hardest classes and focus on low level high performance programming (assembly, C, C++) and study outside of class, that's how you get $150k+ straight out of college.

Or you can be a retard and focus on Java and don't bother getting internships then you make $65k a year for long hours

[Anonymous No.9157374]

>>9146515
Shit's rough. I finished in May with a bachelors in ChemE, masters in Materials. High GPA for each. 2 years undergrad research doing biotech/ChemE, a year in industry doing drug development while finishing my masters.

Getting a job has been rough. HR people would automatically trash my resume because they felt either my degrees or my experience was irrelevant to the position. Had to do all sorts of networking to get to actual hiring managers who were way more interested in me.

Even then, I was considered overqualified for typical out of college positions, so I ended up competing for jobs against guys who have been out of college for 3-5 years. I've had 6 interviews where I got to the final round, but lost out to someone with more experience. And at the same time I'd talk to recruiting firms who would try push me towards part time or technician jobs for 35-40k/yr because "it's a tough economy for new graduates".

I've finally landed a job with a company I think is really cool. Pretty stoked about it. Going to be getting the official offer paperwork Tuesday. But yeah, about 4 months of dedicating myself full time to finding a job before I actually got something.

My advice to people on the job hunt:
Applying online is worthless. The jobs I interviewed for all got 150-300 online applications. Do everything you can to make a human connection at a company who can point you out to HR/hiring manager. Cold contact people on LinkedIn if you have to.

Always try to avoid HR and go straight to a hiring manager. HR people are clueless about technical jobs, they basically follow a check list. The hiring manager is the person who actually understands shit.

And just keep trying. A lot of this shit is luck. Being in the right place at the right time.

[Anonymous No.9157389]

>>9157341
What a weird post... How can you be convinced that America doesn't pay well, but then claim that $80k is a great salary? $80k is a slave wage in any major US city, for software or comp engr.

Also computer engineering is not at all the same as software engineering. Computer engineers study a lot more hardware (e.g. electrical engineering).

[Anonymous No.9157392]

>pharmashit
>stem
shiggy m'diggy

[Anonymous No.9157398]

>>9146558
idiot

[Anonymous No.9157405]

>>9157367
>get $150k+ straight out of college.
>make $65k a year for long hours

This is true. It could also be less than 65k. The people I know who did CS are either making huge amounts of money or liberal arts grad tier money, nothing inbetween.

[Anonymous No.9157408]

>>9146583
you go girl

[Anonymous No.9157411]

>>9157365
its all one meme, man. one giant fucking meme in outer space.

[Anonymous No.9157445]

>>9157359
Non-American Software Engineering is entirely SDC and implementation

if you want to work with Structured approaches (industry standard + longest going/best paying) then soft. engineering will get you a job.

If American Software Engineering isn't that then that would be disappointingly stupid


>>9157389
you clearly have not had a job-
lack of experience in most STEM fields leaves you with 40k because "non-skilled" labour in these fields is underexpected
you only get paid well initially in developing giants because of how necessary your skills are

[Anonymous No.9157459]

>>9157445
>SDC
What is this there are no google results

And "implementation" is a nebulous term which I include under the UML diagrams I mentioned before. Engineering centric as opposed to actually computer science centric

There's a reason no serious software companies exist outside the US except as foreign branches of US companies. This is why

[Anonymous No.9157469]

>>9157333
The important thing is what you do outside your degree, not your degree label itself.
What you need to avoiding is being some 23-year-old shmuck with a freshly minted degree and 0 experience doing anything relevant.
Find things on campus that can give you practical experience on a resume. Fire off e-mails to every company which is close enough to move to for an internship. Do things on your own that will develop out-of-class skills.
You don't need to be some mega-tryhard snorting ritalin to volunteer 17 hours a day, just be mindful of these sorts of things and dedicate some time when you get closer to graduating.

[Anonymous No.9157491]

>>9157459
software development cycle

[Anonymous No.9157513]

>>9157491
Yeah this is what I'm talking about, it's not amazingly useful stuff in the real world when you're working on complex systems

All the engineers and their waterfall models and agile development methodologies can't do much if they don't have a deep understanding of algorithms, data structures, and computer hardware. And if there is a team out there who doesn't bother focusing on SDC and instead focuses on the CS they will be more successful

I've never used this SDC nonsense, I work at a highly esteemed high paying company. We just write code, get it to work, make sure every single line is tested using automated test cases and server stress testing, and follows high readability, maintainability, extensibility, and performance, with strict code reviews from higher level engineers, and all goes as planned.

CS and CE degrees are far superior to SE degrees.

[Anonymous No.9157564]

Microbio here. I make $10/hr flipping burgers. So stoked to make $15-$20/hr as a lab monkey to pay off undergrad :DDDDDD.

[Anonymous No.9157615]

>this thread turned in to people complaining about trannies in the army
what the fuck, why is 4chan like this

[Anonymous No.9157622]

>>9157274
honestly I dont think pure math is done outside universities at all. Maybe in research institutes like Fraunhofer or Max-Planck but thats it.

appied math has of course much, much better outlook. This is what I was talking about here >>9156061
Start as quant in a bank or as software developer/researcher in one of the big software companies and 300k starting looks a lot more realistic (not completely though).
Basically every bank, insurance, fund, asset management, research department, data analytics company needs at least a few mathematicians.

Pure and applied math intersect occasionally but often applied math is, as the name implies, applying math to solve real world problems. For example not proving quality X or obscure lemma Y of hidden markov chains, but using hmc to create a working search engine, as the google founders did.

>>9157000
>>9157306
see above
Of course you have to start job hunting and interning before you graduate.

>>9157333
CS is not a meme, its just not as good as it should be. People have been claiming that it will be useless low-paying since 2002 now because of all the pajeets flooding the market (no seriously, there are slashdot posts from that year claiming just that and everyone agreed).
It is true, pajeets are (were, thanks Trump) the market but you still can make a better living in CS than in most other professions.

>>9157359
CS, SE and CE are often used interchangeably. You need to look closely at the details of the degree (courses, professors teaching, literature) to decide properly.

>>9157365
no. See above

>>9146558
Physics is just as adaptable and flexible as math, but of course here too you have to start looking before graduating.

[Anonymous No.9157635]

>>9157564
dude why didn't you add some expertise in biotech, bioinformatics or synbio

All kinds of pharma companies are starting biotech spinoffs, it's a very exciting world to be in right now. Regulations are incredibly tough for new startups, but once regulations regarding GMOs starts loosening up, biotech is going to be a blast to work in.

Similar for synbio, it's a wholly novel field of fundamental research that is getting a lot of interest.

[Anonymous No.9158075]

If you can't even get a job with STEM, what the FUCK can you get a job in?

[Anonymous No.9159226]

Degenerate brainlets. There is no shortage of engineering jobs in the US. Your friends either lack the experience or have shit grades and no extra-circulars that are impressive.

Check any major defense or engineering company. Plenty of jobs out there.

[Anonymous No.9159568]

>>9157022
Pictured in the comic is more likely left wing extremism and not liberalism. "Kill Trump" doesn't really sound like a non-violent way to solve problems.

[Anonymous No.9159620]

>>9156248
I didn't realize how bad it was all this time because I don't live in a rural shithole. As it turns out, like 99% of the US is a rural shithole

[Anonymous No.9159740]

>>9148207
When whites go extinct than diversity studies will be pointless.

[Anonymous No.9159745]

>>9156971
>racism
Sorry to hurt your feels sunshine.

[Anonymous No.9159747]

>>9156248
civil engineering sounds like it is safe then.

[Anonymous No.9159962]

>>9156231
Many more SE jobs available than there are people to fill them these days, should last for at least a few years

[Anonymous No.9161271]

>>9155073
Assuming you aren't memeing, can you please elaborate on how you focused on weapon systems?

[Anonymous No.9161282]

>>9146515
Me and all my friends who did Mech E and Chem E got high paying jobs tho, and we barely graduated a year ago.

[Anonymous No.9161309]

>>9161271
probably engineer of some kind, possibly chemical (propellants), mechanical (internal systems of guns etc.), or if even power systems EE and works on the navy's Gauss Rifles

[Anonymous No.9161313]

How retarded am I if I am very interested in space exploration/the space industry but I don't want to study aerospace? I was turned away from ME and AE because I kept hearing people that they were oversaturated. I always knew that if I was just really good, it wouldn't matter how saturated my major was. I'm currently an "Undecided Engineering" major at UCF, whivh basically means I'm in the school of cs and engineering but I am not stuck on a particular course. I'm still just taking prereqs, so I have a lot of wiggle room to make my final decision on a major. I was planning on majoring in ce, ee, or civil and minoring in physics/economics. I hope to work at a company for a few years then start my own geared toward space exploration.
Also how hard is it to work at spacex? What kind of resume am I gonna need and is it true they work the hell out of their employees?

[Anonymous No.9161325]

>>9161271
defense is a meme dude. there are tons of opportunities to go make weapons because, not surprisingly, most guys don't want to spend their time building shit that kills people. a lot of guys think they can look themselves in the mirror but crack after about 2 years and it results in a massive turnover rate in the industry.

[Anonymous No.9161330]

>>9161313
>Also how hard is it to work at spacex?
not that hard because they pay their employee's dogshit. you are there for le epig elon musk ball sweat in your mouth and the bullet on your resume.

[Anonymous No.9161343]

EE undergrad here.

I intend to find a quiet French village to live in and make a modest living repairing appliances and selling novelty gadgets to the townsfolk, much like pic related.

[Anonymous No.9161437]

>>9157341
that bitch is t h i c c

[Anonymous No.9161648]

Leave the U.S. other countries pay expats well and your dollar goes a lot further. BONUS you don't have to pay back your student loans.

[Anonymous No.9162131]

>>9146515
>How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM
By being competent unlike most of the retards who enter.
>especially in the US?
Dunno, not in the US.

>None of my friends who did mechanical engineering found jobs yet, same with my chem E friend, and it's been 6 months since graduation.
Usually it's their own problem. A degree is a piece of paper, you make it either worthwhile or worthless. They should have been doing projects and reading books. Engineering is one of the widest and most complex field out there. If you do shit you get a job. Learning the basic shit at university is not enough.

[Anonymous No.9163156]

>>9154441

>be economist
>write basic supply-demand curve/marginal cost table
>"wow being an economist requires a lot of math, huh?"

>mfw 75k starting and haven't even looked at an equation in months

stemfags are literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.9163385]

I studied a shitload and went to grad school because I didn't want to be some faggot who spent his whole life wondering what I could be if I studied a shitload and went to grad school

[Anonymous No.9164171]

I suspect that quite a few here are suffering from the Just-World-Fallacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

[Anonymous No.9164214]

>about to graduate in CompE
>my freshman class was roughly 5k people
>graduating class only about 1k
>only about half of those people will actually make good engineers, the rest cheated their way through the degree
>literally half of my senior EE lab doesn't know how to use a fucking oscilloscope

Yeah, lots of people (normies) are getting STEM degrees. But, as you know, normies are vapid, fake, and only in it for the perceived money. They will fail. Even if they get their degree, they will get fucked by week long technical interviews.

I don't know a single computer engineering major who was unemployed post-graduation, and further, I don't know a single one of them who made less than $70k at their first job.

Stop shilling.

[Anonymous No.9164312]

>>9146583
THA FUCKIN GOD. Yes king. Thanks for encouraging me guy.

[Anonymous No.9164314]

>>9146515
If you have a comp sci degree there is literally no excuse to not freelance/work on monetizing a personal project.

Mechs should be kissing ass for government work.
Pharm might be fucked though

[Anonymous No.9164327]

>>9146590

These aren't mutually exclusive? If the upper class didn't convince poor retards like us to go through college then they'd have to pay STEM majors better. So the only way to reach a higher income is through socialism. What the fuck else are you advocating? Just increased wealth stratification? Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.9164344]

OP is full of shit...there' so a massive STEM shortage in the US.

[Anonymous No.9164345]

meanwhile everybody I knew that graduated with a CS or SWE degree had a job lined up before graduation

[Anonymous No.9164354]

>>9157359
Software Engineering is not all diagrams and paperwork. It's a legit and viable major. I'm tired of this misconception that software engineering students sit around and play with java all day and lack the fundamentals and rigor of CS. I know the curricula of three different SWE programs and they all have mandatory database, algorithms, higher math, networking, and computer architecture classes. SWE students typically take classes in agile techniques, metrics and statistics, enterprise systems, web development, testing and debugging, ...
Basically a leg up on the CS students because they take courses that have a more practical and direct use to what they'll be doing once they start their careers.

[Anonymous No.9164366]

>>9164354
cont...

So basically this is my advice (IMO):
embedded programming / hardware -> Computer Engineering
enterprise development / application development / full stack / web development / devops -> Software Engineering
research / grad school / academia / data science / machine learning -> Computer Science

[Anonymous No.9164367]

>>9164314
just dont go to guru, rent a coder, people per hour or any of the other pajeet-infested sites where clueless moronic clients will expect you to come up with a strong AI for less than 50 bucks in total.

>>9164344
No there is not. There is shortage of STEMs willing to work for slaves wages:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-stem-shortage-myth-a-reality-check-for-it-employers-and-employees/
http://prospect.org/article/stem-shortage-myth
https://www.inquisitr.com/1324019/stem-worker-shortage-is-a-myth-according-to-new-study/

[Anonymous No.9164371]

>>9146515
You go to grad school, work with a professor, and your professor gets you jobs that pay for tuition and also will introduce you to his friends in the private sector

Or at least that's what I did. Also you are correct in that STEM is oversaturated with memers. The difference now is that where 10 years ago an engineer degree would land you a job even if you had a 2.4 GPA, you now need a 3.5 or above to stand out, assuming you're not getting a job via friends and family

I was a co op for a year while I was in school which meant I would always be welcomed back at the company if I chose to work there

[Anonymous No.9164392]

>>9157341
Yeah so what makes you think you can just wash up on shore at one of these places and immediately be offered a high standard of living

You have to know people working there already

[Anonymous No.9164606]

>>9157615

4chan's always been like this...

[Anonymous No.9164673]

>>9163156

Econ is pretty comfy, work for state doing legislative analysis, pretty fuckin cake, $90k in my 3rd year

[Anonymous No.9164778]

>>9149599

Not only that but lower wages = higher pay for CEO's and higher stock market returns.

In some ways the corpse of your careers and verifiable stagnating wages is what's fuelling pic related.

>there people, who would have made more money dumping their 100k into the stock market instead of a degree and just worked a walmart job..

100k into the stock market in 2013 would be 185k by now. That's +30,000 per year counting dividends. Add that to a shitty 50k job; That's 80k a year..

and the best part? You get your 100k back at the end ;).

All funded and paid for by dumbfuck stems that drive corporate wages down and pajeets.

[Anonymous No.9164782]

>>9156060
>if Mexicans can get jobs by working below minimum wage, and you can't get the same jobs working for minimum wage, then the problem isn't with the Mexicans, son.

[Anonymous No.9164793]

>>9164778
Because you get your 100k back at the end, the real returns would far outstrip most college degrees if you graduated in 2013 unelss you get a full ride through med-school and go straight into neurosurgery or someshit.

[Anonymous No.9164798]

There are STEM fields that aren't being memed all the time. Like mining engineering, where there are only 13 mining eng programs in the entire US. Also nuclear engineering.

[Anonymous No.9164819]

STEM uprising when

[Anonymous No.9164821]

>>9164778
>100k
how the fuck are you guys spending this much on student loans?

[Anonymous No.9164837]

>>9164821
"Its the best investment youl'l make in your entire life goyim"

"Don't you want to be educated"

"It will open doors".

[Anonymous No.9164890]

>>9154441
>>9163156
>>9164673
You fucks better not be memeing I'll start Economics next year.

[Anonymous No.9165251]

>>9164837
>It will open doors
You will open doors to a soup kitchen because you have no money, sure.

[Anonymous No.9165662]

i graduated with a bachelor's in ME a month ago. there's no shortage of of jobs in my area, but there are very few that don't desire 3-5+ years of industry experience. haven't found a job yet but hey, i had mediocre grades in undergrad and all of my co-op experience was in a different field. make of that what you will.

[Anonymous No.9165700]

>>9161313
>aye, fellow knightfag. No school till monday

[Anonymous No.9165702]

>>9161282
Where at?
>a-asking for a friend

[Anonymous No.9165719]

>>9155073
>focus on weapons dev.
Wtf? Burger here and Ive heard nor seen of any university that offers this

[Anonymous No.9165734]

>>9146515
this is why in America we need to kick out the foreigners who go to college here once they finish their degree. We also need to make it law to give preferential treatment for hiring natives over foreigners.

The foreigners are happy to work for crap pay because its better than going back to whatever shit hole country they came from and its ruining the market for natives.

[Anonymous No.9165827]

If you guys cared so much about money why didn't you invest in bitcoin when it was 1-20 USD and I spent nearly 3 hours a day telling you to?

[Anonymous No.9165983]

Post your card /sci/

[Anonymous No.9166083]

>>9165719
how new

[Anonymous No.9167243]

>>9146515
>How are you people dealing with the saturation in STEM, especially in the US?
By going all the way for a PhD. I did.

[Anonymous No.9167432]

If you are good you won't have any trouble with it period. If you get all A+'s and talk a lot with your professor you'll be sure to not be a meme.