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9053766 No.9053766 [Reply] [Original]

Zero doesn't exist.

Prove me wrong.

>> No.9053770

>>9053766
If zero did not exist, how would you have that picture of it for your post.

>> No.9053776

>>9053766
how many apples are in your hand?

>> No.9053782

>>9053776
Define appul

>> No.9053809

>>9053782
Something you have zero of in your hands.

>> No.9053817

numbers dont exist

as a concept zero exists

>> No.9053819

zero does actually exist, there´s even a name for it. Zero is the way of representing null/inexistent values, however, it doesn't mean zero is inexistent.

>> No.9053820

This is literally just stupid. Of course zero exists. It may not exist physically, but for that matter no number does, or any word. They are ideas. They stand for things without being made of things. The fact that there is a symbol and word for zero as well as the idea of zero, it exists.

>> No.9053827

>>9053782
Ask an polar bear, they now what is apples.

>> No.9053828

>>9053766
Of course it doesn't. It's the absence of existence, AKA it doesn't exist. We just have a symbol so we know that there is nothing, it is useful to know.

>> No.9053829

>>9053782
kek

>> No.9053841

>>9053828
You literally refer to it as It's. That means it is something you dumbass.

>> No.9053851

>what's the origin of a vector space?
>LOL IT DOESN'T EXIST
>what's the additive identity to-
>LOL IT DOESN'T EXIST
>sir you need to calm dow-
>NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER NOT A NUMBER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>call securityy

and then OP was shot and his heartbeat amplitude went to 0.

>> No.9053902

>>9053819
Not only does '0' exist, but its is unique. There are many "1's. There are two '1's in '2', and so on.

The empty set is also unique. aka Leibniz, and two indistinguishable things are the same.

>> No.9053934

>>9053902
so no amounts of zeroes generate any other number, both through multiplication or addition. wheras 1 can be added to generate all other numbers. is this what you mean by uniqueness?

>> No.9053956

>>9053776
>how do you like them apples
>what apples
>the apples in your hand
>look down at hands
>no apples
>look up
>guy's gone
>then who was phone

>> No.9053989

>>9053902
there are a shit ton of zeros in 1

>> No.9053993

Define "exist"

>> No.9054069

>>9053766
How many times have you had sex?

>> No.9054075

>>9053828
Wouldn't the absence of existence/nothing be more accurately described by the empty set, rather than a zero vector?

>> No.9054098

>>9053766
Yeah that's kinda the point

>> No.9054211

>>9053989
There are exactly zero zeros in 1.

>> No.9054221

[math]1=1[/math]
[math]1-1=0[/math]

>> No.9054279

>>9053766
If x does not exist then x+1 does not exist.

0 does not exist

By induction, the natural numbers do not exist.

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9054576

>>9054279
How will math ever recover?

>> No.9054579

nothing is a thing, which exist, because it not exist...

>> No.9054582

What is "1"?
>7·0 PROPOSITION If the ordered pair (x, y) is introduced by definition rather than taken as a primitive,
the term defining 1 will have 2409875496393137472149767527877436912979508338752092897 symbols, with
871880233733949069946182804910912227472430953034182177 links.
At 80 symbols per line, 50 lines per page, 1,000 pages per book, the shorter version would occupy
more than a million books, and the longer, 6 × 1047 books. I believe that the approach customary among
set-theorists, whereby one takes the class-forming operator as a primitive symbol, and defines

Bourbaki...

>> No.9054597

0 is the absence of a number.
Nothingness is another form of existence

>> No.9054633

>>9053766
But you are a big zero, OP.

>> No.9054663

/sci/ used to only respond to really high quality bait. what happened?
oh, is it summer already?

>> No.9054701

It is a fair point to say that in a sense zero doesn't exist, in that by the very virtue of saying that it doesn't exist or represents nothing, it must be, and yet mustn't be. To say it is zero is to say it must mustn't be, which is to say that it is A and not A.

However, refuting this also encounters this problem, for to say 'zero' does not exist, is to say it 'must mustn't mustn't be', therefore the counter-argument defeats itself in the process.

Tl;dr zero must exist, for to say there are zero zeroes is self-contradictory.

>> No.9054727

>>9054279
>If x does not exist then x+1 does not exist.

I will denote "q" as a random abstract number that doesn't exist. So since q and q+1 does not exist, the equation "variable plus one" does not exist as well?

>> No.9054734

>>9054211
1.00

>> No.9055111
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9055111

>>9053766
How many women has OP slept with?

>> No.9055137

>>9054727
>the equation "variable plus one"
Hwhat

>> No.9055207
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9055207

>>9053766
numbers are a social construct therefor numbers don't exist

>> No.9055215

how many gfs you got right now?

>> No.9055411

>>9053766
Having nothing makes perfect sense. Having less than nothing is what's bullshit.

>> No.9055413

>>9055411
>what is debt

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9055415

>>9053766

>> No.9055431

>>9055413
How can a debt collector take what I don't have? He must wait until I have it before it can be taken, putting its value at greater than or equal to zero.

>> No.9055458

>>9055431
think of it more like having your earnings garnished.
You're getting paid 5 grand a month, but you're in debt and say 500 a month is being taken to pay that debt.

>> No.9055472

>>9053766
zero exists just as much as other numbers

just arbitrary ways to express quantitative concepts

>> No.9056092

>>9053828
A={0}

>> No.9056476
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9056476

>>9053770
First post best post!

>> No.9056598

>>9053766
>NEGATIVE NUMBERS DON'T EXIST
>IRRATIONAL NUMBERS? ONLY IRRATIONAL PEOPLE BELIEVE THOSE!
>I'VE NEVER SEEN A BILLION OF SOMETHING
>INFINITESIMAL, INFINITIES? MORE LIKE INFINITELY STUPID

>> No.9056628

1 doesn't exist.

Prove me wrong

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9056635

>>9054734
>.00
that's not 1.00??? wtf is this post supposed to be mean?

>> No.9056641

>>9056628

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct6BUPvE2sM

>> No.9056862

>>9053766

Tell me the number of girls you had sex with

>> No.9057073

negative numbers too
complex numbers too
variables too
points and lines too
functions too
2d geometry too
oh wait, we just removed the entire syntax of math and we are back to the level of counting goods for trade.
whoops.

>> No.9057076

>>9053766
0 MY ZERO

>> No.9057374

>>9055111
Check em

>> No.9058167

>>9053766
Be you
Happy family, 1 sister, a dad and a mom. And you.
Your sister however is being raped by your dad for years.
One day she gets pregnant and tells your mom she did not have sex with any guy, but that your father abuses her. Mom gets the picture and kills your dad. Your sister however goes crazy when she sees her daddy covered in blood and shoots your mom. Both parents are dead now.
Tell me, how many parents do you have left after this tragedy?

>> No.9058201

Itt: people think inventing a concept makes it become reality


Zero is just as real as God

>> No.9059228

>>9053766
Choose one
>>9053770
>>9053819
>>9053820
>>9053841
>>9053851
>>9053902
>>9054221
>>9054597
>>9054701
>>9055472
>>9058167

Or is there not any one you could agree on?
That would mean Zero arguments (notice the 's' at the end of 'arguments') are prove enough to convince you completely 'zero' is at least a real thing.

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9059283

Daily reminder to eschew poo in loo numbers for traditional ayan numbers.

>> No.9059284

>>9053770
Checkmate atheists

>> No.9059421

>>9058201
We'll, it HAS been to be real in some sense. Or else it wouldn't exist in the universe... that's what being real means.

You are thinking about it in your brain, and your brain is made up of chemicals. Change the chemicals and change the thoughts. Thoughts are just certain arrangements of molecules.

Therefore, the concept of God is a physical object.

>> No.9059738

>>9053956
Bane?

>> No.9059749

>>9059283
Look greek numbers are fucking shit.

Anyways, probably arabic numbers are a jewish liberal conspiracy. I bet that behind the scene it was Hillary who pushed those numbers into our schools to turn the frogs day.

Top kek, it's time for you to go back to /pol/ isn't it?

>> No.9059759

>>9059749
>arabic numbers
>arabic

can we let this meme die?

The numbers are Indian, Fibonacci knew this when he wrote his manual on calculations, and even the Arabs call them 'Indian numbers'.

Arabs contributed nothing to science and technology in comparison to the Persians, Indians and Greeks.

>> No.9060255

>>9053766
Assume 0 doesn't exist. Then since 1-1=0 1 doesn't exist either. We can thusly prove inductively that no natural numbers exist.

>> No.9060465

0=infinity

>> No.9060612

>> No.9060670

>>9060255
but does not 1+(-1) depend on axioms that introduce 0 ?

>> No.9061174

>>9053766
Define exist

>> No.9061203

>>9053766

Does 7 exist?

>> No.9061220

>>9053766
define "Zero doesn't exist. Prove me wrong."

>> No.9061234

>>9059228
In abstract math, zero exists. In application, by definition, it cannot exist.

>> No.9061255

>>9053766
>"prove me wrong"
>anticipating 0 valid counter-arguments
>thus ironically confirming 0 as a unit of measurement

>> No.9061570

>>9053766

Suppose there exists no element x in some arbitrary set A such that x+n=n+x=n for all n in A.
Then A is not a group by definition
Therefore the operation + has no meaning in A

Have fun with your useless collection of elements.

>> No.9061894

>>9053766
>shadows dont exist

>> No.9061897

if 0 doesn't real then how come 0! = 1