Gut Bacteria

[Anonymous No.8883629]

Alright /sci/

I just had my gut bacteria tested in an attempt to find out about my debilitating health problems and chronic constipation which no doctor has helped.

These are the species of bacteria most prevent in my gut.

I have overgrowth of unknown clostridia species

also I have no lactobactillus growth

[Anonymous No.8883639]

>>8883629
Eat some yogurt

[Anonymous No.8883644]

>>8883639
>durrrrrrr
>implying I haven't tried that and numerous probiotics a million times

It doesn't reach my gut, it gets killed on it's way there.
I've taken countless probiotics and yogurts

[Anonymous No.8883651]

>>8883629
Stupid pleb.
I drink 100 g of clarified butter every day.
Fuck off the microbiome.
Stick to fats with some veggies if you wish.
I rarely fart.

[Anonymous No.8883656]

>>8883651
>I drink 100 g of clarified butter every day.
why?

>Fuck off the microbiome.
You need a healthy microbiome.

[Anonymous No.8883667]

>>8883656
>why?
Because at the moment it's the best source of energy for my body.
Sleep less and stay more focused during the day.
Get your load of Standard American Diet, pleb.

[Anonymous No.8883777]

>>8883629
That's interesting OP
You don';t have any actinobacteria, which is werid?
i would suggest fecal transplantation, it's harmless - if you have ways of getting it done

it could also be a mutation of a chlorine channel, which may lead to being more prone to constipation

[Anonymous No.8883843]

>>8883639
The Problem is the bacteria are killed in our stomach

[Anonymous No.8883879]

>>8883777
Trips of truth.
Stick some healthy person's poop in your but, OP. Do it.

[Anonymous No.8883963]

>>8883777
>i would suggest fecal transplantation, it's harmless - if you have ways of getting it done
Yes. PLEASE

Where can I get this done?
I'm so desperate.

I live in Canada and my country is fucking retarded and BANNED the procedure.
HOLY SHIT FUCK

>it could also be a mutation of a chlorine channel
I didn't have constipation at all growing up though.

[Anonymous No.8883996]

>>8883629
L. Reuteri
anon you NEED to read these

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gut-bacteria-autoimmune-disease_us_58595dd5e4b03904470acd99
the journal article it's based on...
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Yuying_Liu2/publication/311792087_Resetting_microbiota_by_Lactobacillus_reuteri_inhibits_T_reg_deficiency-induced_autoimmunity_via_adenosine_A2A_receptors/links/585d561108aebf17d38a3279/Resetting-microbiota-by-Lactobacillus-reuteri-inhibits-T-reg-deficiency-induced-autoimmunity-via-adenosine-A2A-receptors.pdf

>mfw the experiment used mice with a specific gene missing, the gene regulates immune function. After treatment with L. Reuteri the normal 30 day lifespan of these mutant mice rose to over 120 days and their immune system function was nearly normal

L. Reuteri is found in all mammal's mother's milk. It can do a factory default reset on your gut zoo demographics as well as cure many autoimmune diseases

[Anonymous No.8884008]

>>8883629
>I have no lactobactillus growth
the study I mentioned uses a dosage that is quite high compared to what is in the probiotic pill.
I empty a capsule into a fresh container of milk and let it ferment for 36 hours at room temperature. This creates something between yoghurt and cottage cheese. It doesn't taste bad and it delivers the mega dose you need to correct your problem.

[Anonymous No.8884010]

>>8883996
Interesting.

How would I get this into my system in large quantities though.
Doesn't your stomach acid destroy all of these?
What do?

[Anonymous No.8884011]

>>8884008
>I empty a capsule into a fresh container of milk and let it ferment for 36 hours at room temperature
wait what? does this actually work?

If you empty probiotic pills into normal milk and leave it at room temp?

wouldn't the milk go bad?

[Anonymous No.8884021]

BTW
Not all probiotics are equal. In fact most of them have little positive effect. L. Reuteri can help regrow intestinal villi
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3311308/
>Lactobacillus reuteri (L. reuteri) is a probiotic that inhibits the severity of enteric infections and modulates the immune system.

[Anonymous No.8884024]

>>8884011
>wouldn't the milk go bad?
bad? if you use a fresh unopened container and then seed it with the contents of the probiotic pill you will incubate many different organisms true but the majority of it will be the organisms you seeded it with. The milk will curdle and go "bad" but it isn't spoiled in the classic sense with wild unknown microbes.

[Anonymous No.8884027]

>>8884024
Wow.
Okay I'm very interested.

What about it actually getting into my gut?

Wouldn't my stomach acid destroy it?

Should I take PPIs or baking soda to neutralize the acid first?

[Anonymous No.8884039]

>>8884027
stomach acid is the normal environment for this strain of bacteria anon

[Anonymous No.8884049]

>>8884027
don't take my word for this stuff, go read up on it
L. Reuteri
Reuterin
L. Reuteri DSM 17938

read up on making your own yoghurt anon, that's what you'll be doing here. The normal L. Acidophillus is chosen for taste not probioti efficiency.

BTW you are going for a bacterial culture that is still blooming and hasn't begun the overpopulation die-off. Once all nutrients in the milk have been metabolized by the L. Reuteri the bacteria begins to die. This is normal, no food = death. You want to stop the process before this (this why 36hrs) because you want a live healthy culture to cure you not a dead useless one. Besides the die off products from L. Reuteri taste nasty.

[Anonymous No.8884051]

>>8884039
If I take fermented probiotic yogurt every single day containing high quantities of L. reuteri, how long will it take to fix my constipation and other health issues?

My immune system is REALLY fucked up, many autoimmune issues.

[Anonymous No.8884053]

Collect some alpha male shit and implant it in your ass, not even joking

[Anonymous No.8884067]

>>8884049
>L. Reuteri DSM 17938
Is this a different strain of l. reuteri?
I don't think I'll be able to buy this specific strain.

Normal L reuteri is just as good right? I wouldn't need that specific strain of it?

>reuterin
>L. reuteri can secrete sufficient amounts of reuterin to inhibit the growth of harmful gut organisms, without killing beneficial gut bacteria, allowing L. reuteri to remove gut invaders while keeping normal gut flora intact.[5]
Wow that sounds really fucking awesome.

I hope this shit works.

btw, did you try this yourself?
did you get any benefit?

[Anonymous No.8884069]

>>8884053
>Collect some alpha male shit and implant it in your ass, not even joking
I would if I could.

[Anonymous No.8884087]

>>8883963
>Where can I get this done?
Meet a cutie and let her poo in your mouth.

[Anonymous No.8884104]

>>8883963
fecal transplantation is banned in canada?
why though

i get it's still very new and not widely used yet, but still

[Anonymous No.8884109]

>>8884104
>fecal transplantation is banned in canada?
>why though
because the our health canada is just as corrupt and sociopathic as the FDA is

[Anonymous No.8884122]

>>8884067
>I don't think I'll be able to buy this specific strain.
BioGaia sells it

>>8884067
>btw, did you try this yourself?
>did you get any benefit?
yes
Long story anon, I was suffering from an undiagnosed autoimmune problem. I had noticed that certain antibiotics gave me relief. Upon further research I found that you couldn't get rid of the bad gut bacteria with antibiotics without running the large risk of things like C. Difficille. Further research showed that the triggers for most autoimmune disease was in the gut.
>http://www.cell.com/immunity/pdf/S1074-7613%2815%2900303-9.pdf
I then decided to "overseed" my gut and began research. The premis was to flood my gut with good bacteria in the hopes of crowding out the bad ones...
It works.
IT WORKS
IF you use the correct bacteria and my thoughts at the time were why not use the ones found in mother's breast milk.
Turns out my thoughts were correct and this study published last December vindicated this theory.
If a poop transplant gives you all the zoo to cure a problem after the gut zoo is nuked with antibiotics...
Use of L. Reuteri helps to clear out all the bad actors and provides fertile welcoming environment for the right ones to colonize.

But yes, this therapy has helped me tremendously. I was suffering from Hasimoto's thyroiditis as well as late onset adult type1 diabetus. Both are autoimmune problems. Both are in remission. My pancreas is regenerating, my thyroid on the other hand... well at least it isn't being destroyed any longer and my need for meds isn't increasing.
The only thing is anon, something in my environment caused this and DOES kill off the effects after a year or so. I don't care if I need to mega dose myself twice a year, it's better than becoming a diabetic

[Anonymous No.8884124]

>>8883629
One word: yoghurt

[Anonymous No.8884152]

>>8884124
>One word: yoghurt
That's actually made of two words: yoǧi and urt.
It's Turkish.

[Anonymous No.8884153]

>>8884124
>One word: yoghurt

>L. reuteri late treatment prolongs survival, inhibits autoimmunity,
and modulates gut microbiota in SF mice, but
L. acidophilus DDS does not.

[Anonymous No.8884167]

>>8884122
>BioGaia
they sell "drops" and chewable tablets
Are the chewable tablets good enough to ferment?

>Long story anon, I was suffering from an undiagnosed autoimmune problem. I had noticed that certain antibiotics gave me relief. Upon further research I found that you couldn't get rid of the bad gut bacteria with antibiotics without running the large risk of things like C. Difficille. Further research showed that the triggers for most autoimmune disease was in the gut.
I'm actually suffering from something very similar to that.

>The premis was to flood my gut with good bacteria in the hopes of crowding out the bad ones...
It works.
IT WORKS
That sounds great. I've tried taking probiotics and shit and it hasn't helped. As you can see, there's no growth of lacto bacteria in my gut after taking lots of it.

>Use of L. Reuteri helps to clear out all the bad actors and provides fertile welcoming environment for the right ones to colonize.
Very interesting.

>The only thing is anon, something in my environment caused this and DOES kill off the effects after a year or so. I don't care if I need to mega dose myself twice a year, it's better than becoming a diabetic
Why don't you try doing it every week to REALLY get your system colonized?

Hey do you have skype or something?
Also have you looked into LLLT for your thyroid?
I'm considering using it for some of my problems.

[Anonymous No.8884293]

>>8884167
I wouldn't worry too much about getting the exact dsm17938 strain. I'm heartened by the fact that it was HUMAN L. Reuteri that was used on MICE and it had good effect. So I'm not too worried. I got mine from Swanson via mail order the first time 18months ago and I just ordered more from them.
And yes I'd think the drops would work fine for seeding the milk.

>I've tried taking probiotics
they are NOT all the same
in the study I've referenced above they tried using L. Acidophillus as well... guess what... didn't do the job.
>Fig. S1 shows the dynamic changes of autoimmunity and gut microbiota over 22 d of life in SF mice. Fig. S2 shows that L. reuteri late treatment prolongs survival, inhibits autoimmunity, and modulates gut microbiota in SF mice, but L. acidophilus DDS does not. Fig. S3 shows that L. reuteri early treatment reprograms fecal metabolomic profiles in SF mice. Fig. S4 shows that L. reuteri early treatment improves villus height and decreases crypt depth, and increases the expression of nucleoside transporters in small intestine of SF
mice.
>but L. acidophilus DDS does not

>Why don't you try doing it every week
When I tried this a year ago I ate 3 servings per day for a week. I suppose you could make this a regular part of your diet anon, it won't hurt. In the study I've referenced the treatment time was 2 weeks and the effects lasted the mice the rest of their lives. In my case since I'm fairly certain the bad actor(s) are environmental you are probably correct that I should do this weekly. The problem is that I'm a bit lazy and making this stuff is an extra chore. It needs to be a fresh batch so the bacterial colony is blooming not declining. Refrigeration slows it down but you can't keep stuff in the fridge forever without it going rotten.
>>8884167
>Also have you looked into LLLT for your thyroid?
what is LLLT? light therapy?
if you're considering something like that for skin problems you really need to read that JEM article.

[Anonymous No.8884650]

>>8884293
Thanks for the information.
I'm really excited now and going to try this.

Any more information you can give me would be helpful.

>what is LLLT? light therapy?
Yeah search for lllt thyroid
It's not just for skin stuff it does a whole lot more.

[Anonymous No.8884692]

>>8883777
>fecal transplantation

How is that any different than a pro-biotic enema?

[Anonymous No.8884704]

wow what timing this thread is. I'm actually dealing with constipation and have been for about a year now. The weird part is that my doctor gave me this product called entergam two weeks ago and it makes me normal again if and only if I only eat chicken, eggs, peanut butter and soup. All other food will constipate me and give me an extreme amount of terrible smelling gas. My doctor keeps telling my IBS-C but I don't know because it seems like I'm just allergic to every food except for like five of them, otherwise I'm okay. Should I try this l. reuteri? I need your help sci

[Anonymous No.8884709]

>>8883629
Interesting. I remember a case shown on TV in which a kid diagnozed with autism was found with predominant populations of clostridia because of an early birth incident that required a long antibiotic treatment, and a doctor believed it was the cause of his autism. They treated the kid against the clostridia and he showed improvements on his behavior, almost declaring the kid "cured" from his autism. However, the clostridia kept getting back because of its spore forming antibiotic resistance and could never get rid off it from the gut completely, so they stopped the treatment and the kid went full autism again.

For a recommendation, I would sugest fecal transplantation as previously stated since probiotic intake didn't seem to work.

[Anonymous No.8884736]

>>8883629
Eat more fiber. What are your health problems?

[Anonymous No.8884759]

>>8884709
>Unbeknownst to many people, our emotions, cognition, behavior, and mental health are influenced by a large number of entities that reside in our bodies while pursuing their own interests, which need not coincide with ours. Such selfish entities include microbes, viruses, foreign human cells, and imprinted genes regulated by viruslike elements.


https://animistology.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Kramer-and-Bressan-Humans-as-Superorganisms.pdf

I agree a poop transplant works in many cases but a lesser and much easier (not to mention sanitary) solution is the L. Reuteri induced re-set of the system

[Anonymous No.8884776]

>>8884759
I can't wait for crisper to make super pro-biotics that can cure aging and raise IQ 25 points.

Could such a probiotic be patented? And would that make sharing your poo is a crime? Poo piracy is the crime of the future.

[Anonymous No.8884777]

>>8883629
>debilitating health problems
>chronic constipation
go see a neurologist

[Anonymous No.8884850]

>>8884777
>go see a neurologist
For what?

[Anonymous No.8884863]

>>8884736
>Eat more fiber.
Do you honestly think OP has never heard of that before?
Retard.

[Anonymous No.8884873]

>>8884704
>entergam
Isn't that for diarrhoea and not constipation?

[Anonymous No.8884887]

The only solution, OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoJo81lujk

[Anonymous No.8884890]

>>8884873
Yea, but I think its primarily for bloating problems, which I have badly. It's kind of working, I guess for some food. But I became allergic to like every food out of nowhere one day. I've had pretty much every test done and have no clue what is wrong with me

[Anonymous No.8884897]

>>8884890
My friend suffered from some mysterious symptoms swept under the IBS catch all during college. I honestly think that he nuked his gut with copious amounts of alcohol. In general, I think diets high in processed foods have really fucked with our gut flora. Hence you get mysterious IBS diagnosis. Unlike dogs, we can't rely on getting a fresh batch of gut microbes by eating shit.

[Anonymous No.8884908]

>>8884897
It's very strange. The only thing is is that I eat extremely healthy and was at the time of getting this.

[Anonymous No.8884917]

>>8884908
>I eat extremely healthy
Maybe you over thought your diet? I'm no doctor. These are my uniformed opinions.

[Anonymous No.8884919]

>>8884917
this is possible. maybe even likely. But now I'm stuck it seems like. You're probably just as useful as my doctor has been

[Anonymous No.8884939]

>>8883629
i'm in the same position man it sucks. was prescribed antibiotics to wipe out gut bacteria due to "overgrowth" and have been fucked ever since with malabsorption, body rashes, etc.

there's so much misinformation and bullshit diet plans i honestly don't know what the fuck to do.

in my experience, it's better just to accept your life as is because gastroenterologists are fucking quacks and the only ones who will look at these types of issues through a different lens are naturopaths (who are even bigger quacks.)

[Anonymous No.8884999]

>>8884919
have you read the art of fermentation? it's all about food through history, specifically to do with fermented foods that aid in digestion and good bacteria.

[Anonymous No.8885000]

>>8884939
>gastroenterologists are fucking quacks
you got that straight, they're almost as bad as dermatologists.
seriously tho anon, you should read the two articles.
the pop-sci
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gut-bacteria-autoimmune-disease_us_58595dd5e4b03904470acd99
and the journal article it is based upon
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Yuying_Liu2/publication/311792087_Resetting_microbiota_by_Lactobacillus_reuteri_inhibits_T_reg_deficiency-induced_autoimmunity_via_adenosine_A2A_receptors/links/585d561108aebf17d38a3279/Resetting-microbiota-by-Lactobacillus-reuteri-inhibits-T-reg-deficiency-induced-autoimmunity-via-adenosine-A2A-receptors.pdf

[Anonymous No.8885002]

>>8883629
clostridria botulinum?

[Anonymous No.8885009]

>>8885000
just bought the chewables. hope they work

[Anonymous No.8885016]

>>8883644
You need a transplant of a healthy microenvironment into your gut, in other words you need a poo transplant.

[Anonymous No.8885022]

>>8883963
Sometimes traits can take years to be expressed.
>>8884104
The Canadian healthcare system is ridiculously incompetent, it goes beyond even then American system.

[Anonymous No.8885045]

>>8885022
>The Canadian healthcare system is ridiculously incompetent, it goes beyond even then American system.
It really is fucking atrocious and to be honest the main reason is that it's controlled by a government monopoly that restricts all competition in medical innovation and discovery.
New discoveries take years to be implemented.

[Anonymous No.8885055]

>>8885045
And you'll never get approval without connections.

[Anonymous No.8885065]

>>8883629
You need a fecal transplant from a healthy donor. The vast majority of consumed probiotics are simply not effective because they're unable to survive a trip through the stomach in great numbers, much less compete with the already established gut flora.

[Anonymous No.8885101]

>>8883629
Why do you think it's from gut flora? If you aren't sure you could just take rifaximin.

[Anonymous No.8885125]

>>8884850
for your symptoms. there are many neurological disorders that can cause chronic constipation and "debilitating health problems"

[Anonymous No.8885171]

>>8884010
pour milk in your ass

[Anonymous No.8885250]

>>8885125
How can neurological disorders cause constipation?
Makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.8885343]

>>8885000
Hey I'm wondering how long it took for the fermented L. Reuteri to work for you?
How many days?

[Anonymous No.8885357]

>>8883843
>>8883639
Not all of it... Otherwise we'd be immune to food borne illness and you'd never see partially digested food in your feces.

But given the severity of his condition, I doubt any that does get through can out compete what's already there.

So, either you're going to need to feed on ludicrous amounts, or you're going to need something much more intravenous or much more concentrated. Maybe along the lines of >>8883996, in huge and consistent quantities, forever, or something borderline cray cray like a fecal transplant.

[Anonymous No.8885360]

>>8885250
They can and they do. Brain has a lotta control over that whole digestive system, and can muck it up no end.

Granted, it's a two way street, of course.

[Anonymous No.8885369]

>>8885360
You know I've looked into this (stress -> gut) claim some and I found very dubious studies on mice. Is there any substantive evidence? You would expect pretty concrete correlations for people in high stress environments.

[Anonymous No.8885382]

>>8884051
Perhaps you should try infection by non-pathogenic worms

[Anonymous No.8885389]

>>8885369
Stress related ulcers, for instance, are a pretty well understood phenomena, and depression is also well known muck with all sorts of bodily functions, especially immunity and digestion.

Certainly it's a longer studied and more understood cause than the relatively recent field of gut flora that you are looking at now. In the end, the brain has some measure of control over every system in the body and manages all the hormonal systems, either directly or indirectly.

Not saying it's the problem in your case, however, given the rather extreme nature of your condition.

[Anonymous No.8885394]

>>8885389
Stress ulcers were debunked like 40 years ago dude what are you talking about, also I'm not OP.

[Anonymous No.8885396]

>>8885394
Ulcers can still be caused by stress, but it's just more likely an H. pylori infection.

[Anonymous No.8885399]

>>8885396
Proof?

[Anonymous No.8885401]

>>8885394
I've heard of various debunkings of various cures and treatments, but SFAIK, stress ulcers are still a thing.

It's also a fairly simple matter to demonstrate how minutes of amounts of a chemical that has no effect on the body, but only on the brain, can cause you to projectile vomit out the wrong orifice.

[Anonymous No.8885420]

>>8885399
Of what?

[Anonymous No.8885431]

Mercury toxicity is certainly real.

The best way to rid yourself of it though is by eating foods that upregulate NRF2.

[Anonymous No.8885450]

>>8883629
I've had digestive issues for around 5 years now, since I was 18. I get awful gas regardless of what I eat and gooey bowel movements. No pain though.
Endoscopy, ultrasound and blood tests came back normal. Saw two specialists, they couldn't tell me what was wrong.

[Anonymous No.8885470]

>>8883644
only alive probiotics inside a caps work

[Anonymous No.8885475]

>>8885450
perhaps try artichoke and alive Saccharomyces cerevisiae

[Anonymous No.8885492]

>>8883629
Post photos of your hemorrhoids.

[Anonymous No.8885533]

>>8885450
gas = bacteria = malabsorption
if you have early gas formation (like <30 min after eating) probably h pylori (dont rely on blood test), otherwise rule out inflammatory diseases like crohns celiacs

[Anonymous No.8885568]

>>8885533
> Endoscopy, ultrasound and blood tests came back normal
If his CRP is normal, biopsies normal and no inflammation or scalloping then he has ruled out IBD and coeliac.

[Anonymous No.8885571]

>>8885357
> intravenous
What a fucking moron

[Anonymous No.8885630]

>>8883644
Have a yoghurt enima. Its the only way.

[Anonymous No.8885775]

>>8885450
Hey I have the same problem it sounds like. I've taken like every test too. Sucks big time. Does your gas smell like death and get trapped in your stomach?

[Anonymous No.8885978]

>>8885533
>probably h pylori
The biopsy from the endoscopy confirmed h.pylori. Took several kinds of antibiotics at the same time, felt better while I was on them, but then reverted back to my normal state once I finished the course. A couple of months later, blood tests after showed no presence of h.pylori anti bodies.
I forgot to mention that a hydrogen breath test also came back normal.
>>8885775
>Does your gas smell like death and get trapped in your stomach
Yep. It's probably something genetic since my mom is like this too, although perhaps a bit milder.

[Anonymous No.8885979]

>>8883629
Diet switches have a great effect.

[Anonymous No.8886023]

I started uni this fall, and since then I've had chronic bloating, then went to diahrrea, and then a intermittent burning in my gut, and now I have bloating and burning, but the doctors are just like, "you're fine, stress less" Really sucks op, I just want to know what is wrong. At least now my poop is normal.

[Anonymous No.8886041]

>>8885978
that's weird, my mom also has it but hers has pretty much went away. Mine has stayed the same. Of course idk exactly what your problems are but I've been taking this stuff called entergam and it has pretty much made me go back to normal as long as I only eat the same eight or so foods. It's for ibs-d apparently but I have ibs-c and its been working. Maybe you should ask your doctor about it

[Anonymous No.8886042]

>>8886023
>but the doctors are just like, "you're fine, stress less" Really sucks op
Because thanks to government created medical monopolies these doctors don't have to give a shit

it's a fucking cartel

[Anonymous No.8886073]

>>8886042
>it's a fucking cartel
This.

Libtards will never wake up, they'll keep sucking the cock of these medical cartel fucks and the state.

[Anonymous No.8886176]

>>8886041
Interesting, I'll look into it, thanks.

[Anonymous No.8886238]

>>8885009
best of luck anon

>>8885065
>The vast majority of consumed probiotics are simply not effective because they're unable to survive a trip through the stomach in great numbers, much less compete with the already established gut flora.
>>8884010
>Doesn't your stomach acid destroy all of these?

read up on L. Reuteri it's the one found in mother's milk.

>>8885978
>The biopsy from the endoscopy confirmed h.pylori
only 1 way to permanently get rid of it anon, and it's NOT antibiotics.

>>8885979
>Diet switches have a great effect.
people need to realize they feed not only themselves but their gut zoo. Drastically changing your diet can drastically alter the demographics of your gut zoo, sometimes for the better, sometimes not so much.

[Anonymous No.8887610]

>>8885978
Your situation is surprisingly similar to mine, my mother has also been sick since she was relatively young, but she was diagnosed with h pylori late in life. I am convinced that its the source of my problems as well.

The tests for h pylori are surprisingly shit, I read a jap study that said you need something like 7 different biopsy sites to get a confirmation of its absence. Unless your blood test for pylori were positive initially, the negatives dont mean anything a good % of people dont have an immune response to it (hence no ulcer) and there are varying strains of it that are more difficult to detect/toxin producing.

Read up on some natural shit like mastic gum, there are some studies indicating you can boost the antibiotic success rate by a large margin (keep taking it for like a month). Oh and trust me dont take any fluoroquinolones unless you want permanent liver and tendon damage.

[Anonymous No.8887871]

>>8887610
My symptoms don't really match well with the typical symptoms of h.pylori infection. I doubt it's the cause.

[Anonymous No.8887931]

>>8887871
It has a pretty wide range of severe to asymptomatic. If treatment for hp helped you, I can only imagine it being Hyperchlorhydria or SIBO (which is a result of an underlying primary illness). Good luck anyhow.

[Anonymous No.8889805]

bump because this thread is really interesting.

what about enemas with L. Reuteri?

[Anonymous No.8889823]

>>8885250
because the autonomic nervous system is responsible for peristalsis along with other functions. if the nerves aren't properly telling the muscles of your intestines to contract, you can get constipated. pseudo obstructions, actual obstructions, etc. underlying neurological disorders can also affect much more than just the autonomic function of your digestive tract, leading to system-wide failures and malfunctions that could lead to "debilitating health problems"

[Anonymous No.8889832]

>>8889823
then how the hell would you fix such a problem?
what would a neurologist even do?

[Anonymous No.8889840]

>>8885000
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gut-bacteria-autoimmune-disease_us_58595dd5e4b03904470acd99

yeah I've looked into tons of stuff about pre/probiotics and diets (FODMAPS, Autoimmune Protocol, GAPs, Candida Cleanse, etc.)

the problem is that there's tons of overlap/conflict regarding strains, allowable foods, etc. and without a doctor there's no way to tell what's working other than "feeling better"

it gets to the point you're ill for so long you don't even know what the "healthy" version of yourself is supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.8889853]

>>8889832
most of medicine isn't about "fixing problems." it's about symptomatic control, trade offs, and doing the best we can for each individual person. depending on what this specific person has going on, there may be a drug that could help, surgery if there's some sort of growth interfering with neural activity, or perhaps surgery to implant a device to innervate the muscle tissue (allowing for food to travel down digestive tract), among other possibilities.

the best way to sort this out is to seek a professional.

OPs problems are likely not caused by their gut microbiome.

[Anonymous No.8889855]

>>8889853
>OPs problems are likely not caused by their gut microbiome.
science says you're wrong

http://www.cdd.com.au/pages/disease_info/constipation.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339861

[Anonymous No.8889860]

>>8889853
samefag
look up The healthy human microbiome by Jason Lloyd-Price, Galeb Abu-Ali and Curtis Huttenhower
as well as Structure, function and diversity of the healthy human microbiome publish in Nature
and The human gut microbiome in health: establishment and resilience of microbiota over a lifetime by Greenhalgh et al

tl;dr healthy people have microbiomes so different from each other researchers can't even define what "normal" is outside of strikingly obvious infections, like cdiff.

[Anonymous No.8889875]

>>8889860
>tl;dr healthy people have microbiomes so different from each other researchers can't even define what "normal" is outside of strikingly obvious infections, like cdiff.

This.
Humans are almost completely in the dark when it comes to the complexity of the human microbiome.

These bacteria do so many different things in the body it's unreal.

[Anonymous No.8889883]

>>8889855
if OP is actually worried about harmful clostridia overgrowth, they should eat a fuckton of lactulose. i also dont see a post of them listing out their other symptoms. again, the likelihood of this being the cause of their problems is slim and they should seek out other avenues.

[Anonymous No.8889896]

Is it possible to reset your gut biome? Everything I eat causes severe gas, and it's not until it reaches the colon

[Anonymous No.8889897]

>>8889883
>they should eat a fuckton of lactulose
but he has ZERO lactobacillus growth

if he takes lactulose nothing will grow

[Anonymous No.8889898]

>>8889896
>Is it possible to reset your gut biome?
yes, read this thread

[Anonymous No.8889908]

>>8889898
So take l reuteri or get a poop transplant? Poop transplant is too expensive for me as I live in the US. Does l reuteri actually work? Am I missing an option here?

[Anonymous No.8889915]

>>8889897
you're naive if you think the data from OP is conclusive. science isn't so cut and dry, and the field of microbiology has so many exceptions and outliers that, along with how many species we can't culture/know jack shit about, your statement makes absolutely 0 sense.
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf503484d

bacteria needs a suitable environment to grow and outcompete other bacteria. lactulose can't be metabolized by most every clostridia we've been able to take a look at. it's going to have a very hard time maintaining its hold in OPs gut if OP is eating mostly lactulose.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1942045/

again, clostridia overgrowth is likely not OPs problem and they should seek other professionals, like a neurologist.

[OP No.8889919]

>>8889908
>Does l reuteri actually work?
guy in this thread said it works, but it only works if you ferment it in milk

I guess you need to ferment it so you can take mega doses of the stuff every single day for a few days

the stuff kills bacteria that isn't supposed to be there and provides an environment where good bacteria can grow

I guess this resets your gut microbiome and immune system

I can't wait to try this because I know my problems are related to autoimmune issues

[Anonymous No.8889923]

>>8889915
>lactulose can't be metabolized by most every clostridia we've been able to take a look at
there are also other bacteria that can't grow with lactulose too

what if the vast majority of OPs gut is bacteria that are like this?

[Anonymous No.8889924]

>>8889919
How do I ferment it in milk. Just put the stuff in a milk carton and let it sit out for 36 hours?

[Anonymous No.8889954]

>>8889924
>How do I ferment it in milk. Just put the stuff in a milk carton and let it sit out for 36 hours?
No, it's more complicated than that, look up how to ferment probiotics in milk.
Must be done specifically.
Also read that other anon's posts.

[Anonymous No.8889960]

How do you get this done?

[Anonymous No.8889963]

>>8889954
Ok thanks. Why are you sure your problems are autoimmune related?

[Anonymous No.8889965]

>>8883644

This is why it's actually better to be lactose intolerant.

[Anonymous No.8889976]

>>8889963
>Why are you sure your problems are autoimmune related?
Tests showed I have autoimmune problems and I have symptoms of weird autoimmune problems and countless food intolerances.

[Anonymous No.8890085]

>>8889976
Well here's to hoping it works. I'm pretty doubtful of anything at this point but I'll try it at least

[OP No.8890103]

>>8890085
You should get the gut microbiome test like I did.

People don't know the radical changes in health that can come from changing their gut microbiome.

My gut is royally fucked.
People are supposed to have lacto bacteria in them.

I have NONE thanks to years of heavy antibiotic use, a C section birth and not being breastfed.

The L. Reuteri kills bacteria that isn't supposed to be there. Bacteria like this EVOLVED with humanity to do certain things that will benefit us.

I have no L. Reuteri or any lacto species in me. Just clostridia.

[Anonymous No.8890370]

>>8883629
your gut is disgusting.
get yourself rifaximin and DRUG-CLASS probiotics (supplement probiotics are filled with aids-ridden semen and mud)

[Anonymous No.8890465]

So, does this L. Reuteri work on Chrons?

[Anonymous No.8890502]

>>8890370
>DRUG-CLASS probiotics
Can they be had without a prescription legally?

[Anonymous No.8890550]

>>8883629
>kingdom: bacteria
>phylum: bacteroidetes
>class: bacteroidia
>order: bacteroidales
>family: bacteroidacae
>genus: bacteroides


how much did you spend on this?

[Anonymous No.8890643]

>>8890502
yes theyre called medical product - basically drugs without prescription
>at least in my country
they have special standards for ingredients and the way theyre kept (for example they dont give a shit bacteria in supplements die in heat and transport them in hot conditions)

[Anonymous No.8890655]

>>8883629
How much did you pay for the test op.
Seems like an easy way to make some money.

[Anonymous No.8890666]

>>8889965
>better to be lactose intolerant
>wanting to miss out on the bliss of cheese and other dairy products

No thank you fag, keep your shit genes to youself.

[Anonymous No.8890817]

>>8890643
>my country
not US, then?

[Anonymous No.8890847]

>>8883644
>>8883629

maybe try to make your own yogurt

store bought yogurt has a long way from the factory to your body, so it has less live bacteria

>heat 1 litre of pasteruzed milk for 5 min at 60°c
>let it cool down to 45°c
>stirr in 2 tablespoons of store bought yogurt
>flush a container and its lid with boiling water
>fill milk mixture in the container and close the lid
>put your container on the radiator or in your stove at 45°C not hotter

in one or 2 days the milk turned to yogurth with the freshest bacteria you can get
it tastes also realy amazing

do this yogurth contains more bacteria then storebought yogurth and therefore more bacteria should survive until they reach your gut.

[Anonymous No.8890897]

>>8890847
Seems like a one way trip to gastroenteritis.

[Anonymous No.8891074]

>>8883629
Interesting thread. I also have a tendency towards autoimmune diseases and depression. As a kid i was treated with antibiotics for multiple years, and suffered from constipation since then.
I just ordered l.reuteri from 2 different vendors, and will try to make yohurt with them to determine if what i bought is still alive.
I like the idea of reducing my gut flora with garlic before starting with the new cultures, is that a worthwhile idea? I've used large amounts of diced garlic before to treat gas and it worked well for that.
Lets keep this topic alive during the next weeks so we can share results.

[Anonymous No.8891167]

So tell me if I have this process wrong:
Heat up milk to 50c
Put in jar and put in l reuteri
Let it ferment for 36 hours
Enjoy?

[Anonymous No.8891177]

>>8890817
not us, im white

[Anonymous No.8891279]

>>8891167
42c when you put reuteri in.

[Anonymous No.8891307]

>>8891074
reducing the zoo with garlic doesn't sound like a bad idea unless taken to extreme.


>>8891279
>42c when you put reuteri in.
at least that cool, remember ideal temp for this bug is 37ºC (body temp)

[Anonymous No.8891329]

Here's more of my results.

[Anonymous No.8891332]

>>8890550
>how much did you spend on this?
100 dollars

[Anonymous No.8891392]

>>8891307
do you mean it should be less than 42 and more around 37? Sorry for dumb questions but I dont want to mess this up

[Anonymous No.8891428]

>>8891392
google how to ferment probiotics in milk, it's more complicated than the advice people are giving here

[Anonymous No.8891758]

>>8884122
>But yes, this therapy has helped me tremendously. I was suffering from Hasimoto's thyroiditis as well as late onset adult type1 diabetus. Both are autoimmune problems. Both are in remission. My pancreas is regenerating, my thyroid on the other hand... well at least it isn't being destroyed any longer and my need for meds isn't increasing.
When you say in remission, do you mean your symptoms have completely vanished from these two diseases?

[Anonymous No.8891767]

>>8891758
Not him, but remission usually means dormant.
If he was cured the diseases would be completely gone.

It's safe to guess that he's normal but the diseases are still lurking in his body.

[Anonymous No.8891808]

>>8883629
>chronic constipation

Stop eating grain products and dairy products. Don't eat plants that contain a starch called, "inulin".

You are welcome.

[Anonymous No.8891892]

>>8890666

confirmed for knowing nothing

dairy products don't contain lactose, with the exception of milk. And even then, you can just take a lactase pill and be done with it.

[Anonymous No.8891920]

>>8891758
>do you mean your symptoms have completely vanished from these two diseases?
no the symptoms of Hashimoto's do not completely vanish. A portion of my thyroid has been destroyed and I'll need to supplement my body's output for the rest of my life unless I'm lucky enough to have it regenerate which seems astonishingly rare. What has stopped is the destruction of it and the decreases in my thyroid's output.
>>8891767
>It's safe to guess that he's normal but the diseases are still lurking in his body.
in this case the "disease" is an unknown bacteria living in my gut that triggers the autoimmune malfunction.
there was a paper a year or so ago on uveitis that clued me in to the possibility.
>pic related

[Anonymous No.8891935]

>>8891428
http://www.fermented-foods.com/fermented-foods/how-to-make-yogurt-kefir

http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-your-own-kefir-with-probiotics-supplements/

https://www.yellowpages.ca/tips/the-basics-of-fermenting-milk/

They pretty much all just say the same stuff. Do you have a better link or something?

[Anonymous No.8892011]

>>8890847
>literally doesn't have the microbes to break down lactose
>JUST MAKE HOMEMADE
Dude he will be sitting on the toilet for the rest of the week.

[Anonymous No.8892015]

>>8891329
How much did it cost you anon?

[Anonymous No.8892068]

>>8891329
here is a graphic from the study that compares the lining of the small intestine from 3 types of mice WT are the regular healthy mice
SF are the GMO mice with the faulty immune system
SFL are the SF mice treated with 2 weeks of L. Reuteri

[Anonymous No.8892093]

>>8891935
>Do you have a better link or something?
from the study
>L. reuteri was prepared as previously described (Liu et al., 2014). In brief, L. reuteri was anaerobic cultured in deMan-Rogosa-Sharpe (MRS) medium at 37°C for 24 h, and then plated in MRS agar at specific serial dilution and grown anaerobically at 37°C for 48–72 h.

[Anonymous No.8892336]

>>8892093
Cant you just like spell it out for me? Im not a biologist or chemist

[Anonymous No.8892340]

>>8892336
>>8892093
>sounds like you have it pretty well figured out already. Just open a capsule of lactobacillus and pour some of it into 5 mL of nutrient broth in a sterile culture tube. Shake the tube gently to dissolve the material then put the culture tube in a warm (24-30 C, 75-86 F) dark place and check it after 24 hours. You should see a cloudiness in the broth that indicates bacterial growth. Then just pipet a drop of the culture onto a Petri dish and spread it evenly over the surface to make a bacterial 'lawn'. I would use a spreader rather than a swab because the spreader makes a more even, uniform lawn. The method for making a spreader from a paper clip is here: http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-f ... #procedure

So once I do this, with reuteri, I just ingest it or then I need to ferment it in milk?

[Anonymous No.8892676]

>>8892336
>Cant you just like spell it out for me?
you might read tha thread anon
>>8889924
>How do I ferment it in milk. Just put the stuff in a milk carton and let it sit out for 36 hours?

YES, all you need do is empty a capsule (quicker than letting it disolve) into a FRESH UN-OPENED container of milk, quickly cap it again and then shake to distribute the bacteria in the milk. Then let it set at room temp or a bit above (the stuff grows fastest at body temp, surprise surprise!) for 36~48 hours. It should start to get thick and may separate into a clearish fluid on top and curds below. At this point it's ready, eat half a cup twice a day, keep it refrigerated after this point to slow the bacterial growth. If you leave the stuff at room temp for too long the bacteria will run out of food and begin to die off. This means you don't get as many live bacteria and the die off products taste bitter.
If you want a perfectly sterile lab grade culture then learn how by following the clues >>8892093
>L. reuteri was prepared as previously described (Liu et al., 2014)

But it's NOT necesary, people have been safely making home made yoghurt for longer than either of us has been alive. If your batch ends up smelling nasty or tasting nasty throw it out and try again with a fresh container of milk. When I do it with L. Reuteri the end product is like runny yogurt with a few small cottage cheese lumps and isn't sour or bitter, and seems to keep for 3 or 4 days in the fridge before it starts to sour and I make a fresh batch.

[Anonymous No.8892698]

dude, do a log enema

[Anonymous No.8892743]

>>8892676
Thanks friend. Im a bit daft and anxious so I needed that. If this works you're a hero

[Anonymous No.8892758]

>>8892676
And you only use one capsule per ferment?

[Anonymous No.8892841]

>>8885171
epic, simply epic.

[Anonymous No.8892899]

>>8892015
100 bucks

[Anonymous No.8892902]

>>8891920
>no the symptoms of Hashimoto's do not completely vanish. A portion of my thyroid has been destroyed and I'll need to supplement my body's output for the rest of my life unless I'm lucky enough to have it regenerate which seems astonishingly rare. What has stopped is the destruction of it and the decreases in my thyroid's output.
Okay but you're saying you feel a LOT better than before right?

also what about your type 1 diabetes?

[Anonymous No.8893882]

bump

[Anonymous No.8894084]

>>8892743
>Thanks friend. Im a bit daft and anxious
dear anon, I understand that feel all too well.

>>8892758
>And you only use one capsule per ferment?
yes, It serves little advantage to use multiple capsules
>at optimum growth bacterial colony doubles every 45 minutes...
If you start with nearly sterile milk (store bought pasturized milk isn't 100% sterile) the only contaminants are from the air introduced when you open the container. Since there are billions of CFU (colony forming units) per capsule I figure the good bacteria I'm seeding into the milk will far outweigh the number of bad contaminant bacteria from random sources.

>>8892902
>Okay but you're saying you feel a LOT better than before right?

yes, when the autoimmune shit is active I feel half sick on the best days and worse the rest of the time.
>also what about your type 1 diabetes?
I'm nearly 60 and I've never had a problem with sugar until just a few years ago. I was at the point where limiting my simple sugar intake wasn't enough to keep my blood sugar levels in range. Now I don't have to watch my sugar intake quite so close and my A1c levels are nearly normal. I cannot eat like I once did but at least now I can have a small piece of milk chocolate without blood sugar hitting 300.

[Anonymous No.8894125]

>>8894084
>yes, when the autoimmune shit is active I feel half sick on the best days and worse the rest of the time.
But thanks to this l. reuteri shit your autoimmune problems go away and you don't feel sick right?

>I'm nearly 60
holy shit gramps
what are you doing on 4chins?