The STEM shortage meme

[Anonymous No.8776354]

>companies complaining there is a shortage of STEM workers
>companies demand a 4 year degree in STEM but don't care about what you did in your (((classes)))
>companies don't want to train people in said STEM skills that they are complaining is in short supply
>companies demand you learn the skills they need on your own for free while working towards the 4 year degree they demand but don't care about
>companies weed out a majority of their applicants by virtue of their discriminating preferences to hire only STEM grads who both have a degree and are self-taught to be proficient in the company's required skills
>companies continue to complain about the STEM shortage
>companies import a bunch of pradeets instead whose qualifications are dubious and probably not as stringent as those for the applicants weeded out
>rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.8776359]

>Opinions spouted by people who use the (((parenthesis meme)))
Literally kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.8776362]

plenty of opportunities in software development!
sure, my profession isn't respected at all, but at least it pays well, is relatively secure, and is easy to find employment

[Anonymous No.8776363]

>companies are greedy cunts
companies are literally you and i. they're just a reflection of our true rapacious selves

[Anonymous No.8776366]

>>8776359
They're not opinions because they're observations grounded in cold hard reality. Luckily for you, I realize you're a brainlet who is too myopic to look past your superficial understanding of market trends in many of the affected countries.

[Anonymous No.8776371]

>>8776359
>nazis say the sky is blue
>obviously the sky must not be blue then

[Anonymous No.8776377]

>>8776371
Did you just admit to being a nazi? A- are you expecting me NOT to discard your opinion, whatever it is and whatever it pertains to, after such an admission?

[Anonymous No.8776382]

>>8776377
>being this sensitive

[Anonymous No.8776387]

>>8776362
>easy to find employment
But >>8776354 still applies to software, and they're probably the biggest offender. I'm self-taught and I've been applying these past few weeks without any responses so far. Granted, I haven't applied to many places.

[Anonymous No.8776388]

>>8776377
Jesus christ how much of a brainlet do you have to be to not understand a basic argument, go back to /his/ or wherever you came from

[Anonymous No.8776391]

>>8776371
>opinion gets ignored because a tremendous faggot said it
>THEY MUST THINK I'M WRONG

[Anonymous No.8776394]

>>8776366
>Someone said my opinion is wrong.
>Let me give them my opinion on that!

zoz

[Anonymous No.8776395]

you know this board is slow enough to make it obvious when you samefag to act as if people agree with you

[Anonymous No.8776413]

>>8776387
>self-taught
right in the trash. you may have what it takes, but these companies care about the degree

[Anonymous No.8776467]

>>8776394
>Debunking someone's fallacious argument is an opinion
Fuck off brainlet

[Anonymous No.8776473]

>>8776354
There is no stem shortage. The west is satured with H1B1 who will work for 20k a year and agree to never quit at risk of deportation (aka slavery).

Who else regrets falling for the stem as a valid career path meme?

[Anonymous No.8776474]

>>8776413
>projection
All I said was I'm self taught in software dev. There's nothing open from that to imply I don't have a degree. Take your insecurities back to >>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.8776730]

>>8776467
>debunking
>with opinions
Nice opinion, retard

[Anonymous No.8776747]

>>8776362
>my profession isn't respected at all
Does this include the silicon valley? it feels pretty respected here, but i could also just feel that way because i pretty much only talk to other devs

[Anonymous No.8776766]

>>8776354
Why would someone ever import someone non-white?
Because they can do more for the company than you can. Get BTFO

[Anonymous No.8776821]

>>8776354

In biomedical research, there are some layers to this.

Every year, there are thousands of life sciences majors that universities churn out. And I'd bet that there are more majors than jobs to occupy those majors in biotech. Long story short, you're probably not going to get much beyond temp work in life sciences industry just of out undergrad.

But, the biotech industry is more than just R&D. In addition to thousands of R&D jobs, you have thousands of jobs in the sector, in business development, consulting, law, finance, etc. They key here is that many of these positions require additional training and additional schooling. That's why I tell people just out of undergrad to work for a few years as a lab tech in academia, get some experience, then proceed to industry or go back to school.

Speaking with regards to biomedical research PhDs, only about 7% or 8% end up in tenure-track faculty positions. But, there are plenty of jobs for PhDs in the private sector. This is buttressed by the facts that PhDs, on average, have lower rates of unemployment and higher salaries than bachelor's degree holders. And, anecdotally, I have seen PhDs in a number of different arenas (management consulting, finance, business development, law, etc.) in the life sciences industry.

[Anonymous No.8777646]

>>8776354
Salty dropout spotted.

[Anonymous No.8777660]

>>8776766
>Why would someone ever import someone non-white?
Because they're willing to work longer hours under worse conditions for less pay.

It has nothing to do with talent. Have you ever seen code written by a pajeet? Not only is it held together by duct tape and prayer, it's fucking disgusting to read.
But pajeets will take pathetic wages and endless shitty treatment and never ever complain.

[Anonymous No.8777668]

>>8776354
>TL;DR OP is a shitter who thinks STEM degree's are career coupons

git gud.

I have a 3.2 GPA in Mech E from a mid tier state school and i'm having trouble choosing between the multiple offers being presented to me.

[Anonymous No.8777671]

because 90% of graduates suck balls at what they were studying.

[Anonymous No.8777679]

>>8777668
>implying hr departments aren't spamming '''offers''' just to bloat their statistics

i wish you the best and all

[Anonymous No.8777703]

>>8776354
i had a 3.9 GPA in mechanical engineering and undergraduate research experience but couldn't find a job after graduating. i applied all over the US including places that are considered undesirable, like north dakota and alaska. i did not have internships and this was due in combination of taking summer classes to finish in 4 years flat without having to overload myself during spring/fall semesters, and simply not getting any responses back.

the vast majority of my applications did not receive any response after the automated submission confirmation, or received a rejection email few weeks to months later. the only calls back i received were from third party staffing companies that were trying to fill local jobs that paid around 40k/year contract positions with no benefits. this maybe would have worked if i didn't live in a high cost of living area and the jobs were actually engineering related and not just drafting positions where i wouldn't learn any further skills to help me advance. anyway, i ended up going into a phd program since that seemed to be like the best available option at the time.

i used to think that the primary reason i had so much difficulty was due to being a white immigrant, so i didn't fit into the good old boys' club, but i was also not a minority. then i learned about a girl that graduated about 2 years after me. she had two internships, one at a power plant even, and was in a couple of clubs, and of course she was female so that's a huge plus in itself. she apparently sent out over 100 applications that lead nowhere, and eventually was referred through the friend of her boyfriend and got a job at an electronics company.

[Anonymous No.8777705]

>>8776354
My uncle runs 3 large facilities in the US and wanted to open a fourth outside the US

Germany
>Lol fuck off we're full

China
>Harro!
>All ur stuff belong to Chinese govurnment!
>80% of potential initial staff applicants have fraud degrees and credentials
>All plans involved elimination of all safety precautions

India
>Ayy lmao we're gonna bulldoze some slums to make room if this deal goes through. Hell might do it anyways!
>All plans involved cutting corners where it didn't need to be done
>Any potential partner refused to pay people a wage that wasn't 2 steps above slave tier
>Potential partner routinely dropped the phrase "untouchables"
>We'll gut you if you hire a single Muslim

Denmark
>Can't make facility unless you're a citizen
>Almost impossible to become a citizen unless you have connections to Denmark or Scandinavian
>Lol fuck off you're not part of the Danish master race

Arabia
>Allahu ackbar

Said fuck it and wanted another in the US
>10106450654 applicants day 1
>All from BK Randy unis
>80% are failed pre-meds (Uncle detests them)
>95% of the remainder are fucking autistic beyond belief
>No skills
>Ask WAAY too much for an entry level position (60k+ with a BSc)
>Act like entitled cunts

>Uncle's face when after dealing with all this shit

[Anonymous No.8777706]

>>8777703
the best part? she got the job right as she was graduating. since the phd program i'm in is pretty shit i was trying to find a job in the industry and actually applied for the same exact position as she got hired in. due to her referral she got the job despite being a fresh grad, while i didn't even get a call back despite having 2 years of grad courses on top of my undergrad degree and having relevant experience to what the position required.

my biggest regret is not going into trades/military as i planned and instead going down this fruitless route that my parents pushed on me. that's my fault for not doing what i thought was best and listening to others.

[Anonymous No.8777718]

>>8776354
This only happens on a large scale in Silicon Valley

[Anonymous No.8777720]

>>8777703
I was in a pretty similar situation desu, for me, getting a master's did the trick. One semester into the program (part-time, evening classes) got me a full-time position, and next spring I'll be graduating with a degree and 2+ years of experience. Hopefully, that'll put me in a good position to look for a chance to move up.

Ganbatte!

[Anonymous No.8777727]

>Be honest company
>Hire new student as intern
>They might not have the skills now but it will sure pay off in the future
>A year later after the employee finally learns to be useful they get poached by some other company
>Repeat this process until you finally get sick of it and hire pajeets instead

[Anonymous No.8777734]

>>8777705
I didn't know your uncle was an animu bitch

[Anonymous No.8777737]

Sophomore physics + math undergrad here. How fucked am I?

Pros:
- internship with gubment for three yrs
- working at research lab now, been 1 yr
- 3.9 GPA

Cons:
- no papers published
- secretly retarded

[Anonymous No.8777743]

>>8777720
my dad was actually trying to push me to do a masters, but i was already too salty after wasting 4 years with no pay off to waste anymore time and money on the same thing. in my eyes at the time at least the phd program had a stipend, as low as it might be. it also didn't help that my vision of the phd program was unrealistic.

i thought it would be an opportunity to do things i would otherwise never have a chance to do. in reality, i became an underpaid and under trained technician. my adviser also couldn't get any funding for my first two years, which means i got almost nothing done during that time, until he recruited a mexican guy with a 3.0 GPA at which point he started using him on all his grand proposals to boast about diversity in lab. in short order he got over 1 million in funds.

[Anonymous No.8777745]

>>8777743
Jesus fuck

[Anonymous No.8777749]

How important are publications when being considered for a PhD program in physics xD?

[Anonymous No.8777750]

>>8777749
nice spoiler **faggot**

[Anonymous No.8777758]

>>8777777

[Anonymous No.8777759]

>>8777758
wtf are you doing

[Anonymous No.8777761]

>>8777759
He's checking to see if anyone got those sweet gets yet.

They're mine, faggots. Back off. Check 'em.

[Anonymous No.8777763]

>>8777759
well I wanted to see those numbas but I didn't think that the board is this slow

[Anonymous No.8777767]

>>8777758
checkem

[Anonymous No.8777768]

>>8777737
>internship with gubment for three yrs
you are set for life. ride that gubmint horse for as long as you can.

being a GS schedule employee with a STEM degree is like having a magic carpet. due to the scope and size of the US government, you can go anywhere you want and make good money without having to work too hard.

i did ONE (1) internship with the government and was able to leverage that into acquiring multiple referrals for other positions. pic related, i've already been interviewed for all these and have gotten an offer from one. waiting on the Japan guys to run my exemption up to some admiral (lol @ the hiring freeze).

my only advice is to apply early because the government works at glacial speeds.

[Anonymous No.8777770]

>>8777749
not important, for the UK at least. I got into oxford for a hep phd with no publications.

When I was applying I saw that a lot of european unis (like EPFL, ETH) had a section for academic awards, scholarships and published papers. But I don't think it's all that important for them either, especially if they know you are applying from the UK where it is more unusual to do a "bachelors thesis" and stuff like that.

No idea about the US. Either way I'm sure it is rare to have a published paper as an undergrad, compared to how many people get PhD places

[Anonymous No.8777772]

>>8777758

[Anonymous No.8777773]

>>8777768
Nah, I left that internship in time for Tramp to BTFO government agencies from hiring on more faggots like me.

Also check em.

[Anonymous No.8777776]

>>8777758
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.8777779]

>>8777776
KEK. Loser.

[Anonymous No.8777781]

>>8777776
aww shit dude

[Anonymous No.8777782]

>>8777776
>>8777773
>>8777772
>>8777767
>>8777763
>>8777761
>>8777759
>>8777758
GET FUCKED

>>8777777

[Anonymous No.8777783]

>>8777777

[Anonymous No.8777786]

>>8777773
that hiring freeze bullshit doesn't apply to you bro. drumpf just wants to btfo sub GS-6 retards who are manning a help desk or doing other trivial shit.

STEM dudes are still getting in.

[Anonymous No.8777787]

>>8777782
Congrats, virgin.

I was too busy kissing my gf, not like you'd know.

[Anonymous No.8777789]

>>8777786
You sure? I contacted my old boss recently to inquire about
> muh scholarship recommendation letter
and he said the entire agency placed a hiring freeze. Feels bad desu, I hate my current job (undergrad ra).

[Anonymous No.8777796]

>stem shortage
meaning, the stem labor market isn't completely over supplied. So labor can still dictate decent wages to employers. this is obviously a problem and we need to fix it by more immigrants, out sourcing, and diversity quotas at STEM colleges.

[Anonymous No.8777797]

>>8777789
yeh m8. keep applying on USAJobs. you have verifiable gubmint experience, which is the absolute hardest part of getting your foot in the door with uncle sam. like i said. patience, glacial speeds, etc.

get that letter of rec from your old boss anyways. thats good shit.

enjoy your lifetime of white mans welfare.

[Anonymous No.8777802]

>>8777705
60k is "WAAY" too much?

[Anonymous No.8777807]

>>8777787
cringe

[Anonymous No.8777809]

>>8776354
don't know how it is for you in burgerland but here in France there is a high shortage on stem with +2 year experience.
It is harder for entry level applicant, best chance is to get hired after an internship (that's how I got in)

[Anonymous No.8777813]

>>8777786
>that hiring freeze bullshit doesn't apply to you bro.
utter bullshit

a EE friend of mine applied to US patent office , they called back, apologized, and offered him an internship "until the hiring freeze is over"

>drumpf
stop larping

[Anonymous No.8777835]

>>8777813
yeah man, because the entirety of the US government is the patent office. DoD is still hiring. >>8777768

shut the fuck up about shit you don't know anything about.

[Anonymous No.8777865]

Surprised these haven't been posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKT7xki2Lm4

"STEM shortage" is literally a meme perpetuated by companies so they can bitch and moan for more H1-B visas. There is actually a surplus of people holding STEM degrees that aren't getting trained because companies put out fake job ads to comply with federal regulations before importing Raj and Pajeet to work for half what they'd pay Americans.

We are fucked bros it's over.

[Anonymous No.8777871]

>>8777865
do you know how many people get ((((STEM)))) degrees from places like ITT tech and Devry?

thats where the surplus is coming from. the guys getting legit degrees from decent schools are just fine.

[Anonymous No.8777872]

>>8777871
ITT doesn't exist anymore

[Anonymous No.8777876]

I honestly have no idea what most of these posts base their claim on. My GPA is shit but I've been able to find work every summer and I'm expected to graduate this year and already have a good paying job lined up for me. I'm in ECE so I don't know how it is in other degrees, but I have friends in a broad range of subjects who don't have any problem finding employment.

The key is networking and having job experience folks, not just grades.

[Anonymous No.8777881]

>>8777872
>>8777872
i'm sorry, Phoenix (((University)))

my point was the number of STEM degree holders is skewed due to the prevalence of degree mills and people stupid enough to think its a quality education.

this posters uncle had it right, >>8777705 in that gorillions of applicants are from dogshit BK randy schools.

[Anonymous No.8777890]

>>8777871
>>8777881
You realize those people, if anything, are more likely to find a job? Those universities get a large chunk of ex-military guys that are easily employable.

[Anonymous No.8777895]

>>8777876
I think its people who are dumb, ugly, autistic, or other sorts of problems like that

Someone with 110 IQ can get far in higher education after all

[Anonymous No.8777896]

>>8777890
>he fell for the "veterans are employable" meme

yeah, thats why they fall under affirmative action along with blacks and disabled people. its why there are huge campaigns to get companies to hire vets.

if they were employable from their skillsets, there wouldn't be a need for legislation and tax incentives for companies to hire them.

[Anonymous No.8777911]

The problem with todays world is that everyone just wants a quick buck. Nobody wants to actually think about the future. Companies want employees with experience thinking they will fall from the sky. Nobody wants to actually give interns a chance to gain experience. When companies employ new people, workers only switch from company A to company B and vice versa. This way you always have companies lacking skilled workers and people with degrees lacking experience.

[Anonymous No.8777931]

>>8777802
Yeah for some schmuck with a simple BSc. MAYBE someone with a Masters is worth 60k/yr but no way in hell some unskilled nigger faggot is worth that kind of change off the bat.

[Anonymous No.8777940]

>Be me
>Mechanical engineering senior
>2.9 GPA
>no internships
>no experience
>Nobody to """"network"""" with
No memes- how fucked am I? Should I just kms now?

[Anonymous No.8777948]

>>8777931
What kind of job is it?
I hope he enjoys getting the dregs since he won't pay well.

[Anonymous No.8777953]

>>8777940
you are going to have to eat some shit my man. i hope you are hungry.

your best bet is some CAD monkey position in the construction industry for 40k a year. do that for 2 years and you'll be out of the "newbie grad" window.

[Anonymous No.8777959]

>>8777948
this guy's right. the average starting salary for guys coming out of my school is 65k$/yr.

your uncle can't afford an engineer

[Anonymous No.8777964]

>>8777703
>>8777706
>>8777720
>>8777940
>Engineering degree
>doesn't even have ONE internship

If I were a manager, I wouldn't hire you either, even if your GPA was above 4.0. I would assume you were some turbo nerd autist unable to properly function in the world like a real adult. This is your own damn fault since you wanted to cruise through school without any actual work experience.

Knew a guy, also in MechE, who had a 2.8 GPA, three failed courses, massive party-goer and stoner. He got a great job (plus another offer) 2 weeks before graduation, because he had one internship the year before. Wasn't even that long of an internship, 6 weeks only.

Don't blame "pajeets" and chinks for your own shortcomings. You had 3 (or more) years to find ONE internship at least.

[Anonymous No.8777976]

>>8777948
If he's starting a new facility he's looking for all kinds of positions but the most numerous positions are essentially lab monkey tier which any knob with minor training can pull off so thus it isn't worth shit because people qualified for that position aren't worth shit. Why pay someone 60k/yr starting right out of college when it's really worth 40-45k?

If the guy has done lab work before or interned somewhere then he's willing to add some to the top but not much more. Experience dramatically increases the value because you're less likely to fuck something up and if you do then it's more on you than anyone.

Higher level positions require more education, training, and experience which he pays proper for.

>>8777959
He pays what people are worth. If he needed an engineer he'd gleefully pay an engineer good pay for good work.

[Anonymous No.8777996]

>>8777964
I'm the Jackie Chan poster, spent two years doing a co-op in aerospace environmental testing, where I regularly interacted with customers directly. Stop implying.

[Anonymous No.8777999]

>>8777976
Maybe they know their value better that your uncle lol.
He just sounds butthurt he can't easily find suckers willing to work for garbage rate.

[Anonymous No.8778009]

>>8777999
>Get BSc from some BK Randy literally WHO university
>No internships
>No prior lab experiences
>Thinks he's worth 60k/yr
That's pure delusional

[Anonymous No.8778031]

>>8777964
i can assure you that i learned more in my undergrad research than most people get out of their internships where they are nothing more than an over educated secretary and office bitch.

just because you, and equally retarded HR drones, think internships have any sort of merit then that's your problem. i'm sure that a borderline retard who can't even pass classes with large grade inflation is going to be a great asset.

[Anonymous No.8778036]

>>8777964
I'm not going to try to make any excuses here, but I didn't learn what a fucking internship was until my senior year. I always thought it was some bullshit that was ONLY relevant to business majors or something. Literally NOBODY ever told me what they were or why I should get one. My parents never explained to me the importance, they only told me to "get a job" for the summer. So I did- as a fucking delivery driver every single summer. Nobody at my university ever explained to me the importance either. No professors, no classmates, not even the worthless career help services whoever the fuck people. Senior year rolled around and I swear to god that's when everybody just so happened to start talking about their fucking internships. I even went to the school's semesterly career fair to try to look for one during the school year. You would not believe how fucking confused people got when I tried to explain this:

>So wait... you're looking for a job?
>No, just an internship during the semester while I'm taking classes
>Oh, you mean during the summer?
>No, for this next semester. The spring semester
>So a job? When are you graduating?
>No, an internship, not during the summer but during the school year
>Ayo Bonquisha, come over here! Do you know what this guy is talking about?

Again, I'm not trying to pass the blame or anything, but that's what happened.

[Anonymous No.8778051]

>>8778036
just tell them you're looking for a part time job if they are that retarded. internships are full time, temporary positions which is probably why the office drones are confused by what you're asking them.

[Anonymous No.8778052]

>>8778031
>being this socially unaware

its not about what you are doing during the internship. its proof of efficacy that you can "play the game" in a corporate setting without sperging out.

[Anonymous No.8778058]

>>8778036
Sucks for you senpai desu

My state school recently added a requirement for graduating in engineering that practically forces you to get an internship

http://www.wichita.edu/thisis/home/?u=2020

WSU sucks at a lot of stuff, but I think every university should have a similar requirement

[Anonymous No.8778068]

>>8778031
>i can assure you that i learned more in my undergrad research than most people get out of their internships where they are nothing more than an over educated secretary and office bitch.

I agree with this, but that doesn't mean managers at actual companies are obligated to hire you still based on "research" alone.

The very same HR people and managers you are berating as "office bitch" are the ones that are holding your resume for review. If you don't appeal to their shitty views of hiring expectations, don't expect to get a paying job in industry. Only overly autistic fucks, like you apparently, do not understand this.

Welcome to the real world.

>>8778036
You live in the age of the Internet. You had plenty of time and resources to find out "How do I get a job for sure after graduating engineering school?".

[Anonymous No.8778073]

>>8778031
>>8778052
This. Research experience is practically useless when looking for a job outside of academia. The ability to sit in a little cuckbox 8 hours a day writing reports that upper management will ultimately ignore anyway without stabbing someone's eyes out is a skill in itself.

[Anonymous No.8778079]

>>8778058
Requiring people to do internships is dumb.

[Anonymous No.8778086]

>>8778068
>You live in the age of the Internet. You had plenty of time and resources to find out
I'm aware of that. Again, I don't want to make excuses, but for five fucking years straight, non stop, people spouted
>Oh you're an engineering major? That's great! You will NEVER have a problem finding a job! You will literally be set for life!

Never once did somebody say
>You're an engineering major? Cool. Have you had any internships yet? No? You may want to look into that

>>8778058
I've recently come to the conclusion that I'm going to a joke school. Knowing I'm not going to be able to find a job, I've spent far more of my time looking into grad schools instead. Every single one of them had that requirement/option of "get an internship and we'll give you class credit for it." Meme University on the other hand is just "take classes from apathetic professors who only care about their research and take the FE exam." That's TAKE the FE, students don't even have to pass.

[Anonymous No.8778110]

I did a 5-year combined BS/MS program in physics, summer research 3 times, no internships in industry, and got a job after only around 10 applications that's paying ~70 a year. I went to a US top 50. I was going to get a PhD but I might just apply for 2018. I had expected the job market to be terrible but it wasn't that bad. Maybe I just got lucky.

[Anonymous No.8778125]

>>8778079
>Requiring people to do internships is dumb.
It's the opposite of dumb. But, if you really don't want to, you can do something else instead, like do research, study abroad, do a minor, etc.

>>8778086
>I've recently come to the conclusion that I'm going to a joke school.
Maybe not a joke school, but maybe a school that doesn't prioritize students getting a job. It seems backwards, but I get the feeling that a lot of my professors look down at me for working as an engineer. Why wouldn't they? They can't understand my goals, since their own life goals involve nothing but teaching and research.

As long as your school is ABET certified, I'm sure you'll get something eventually. Of course, grad school is likely to help.

[Anonymous No.8778130]

How do we solve the fact that all the top schools are like
20% white at best

[Anonymous No.8778137]

>>8778130
Jews ---> Ovens

[Anonymous No.8778163]

>>8778125
A university shouldn't make it mandatory to do is all I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.8778168]

>>8778086
Did your school not have any career fairs?

[Anonymous No.8778184]

>>8778125
>do a minor

I do NOT recommend this advice. Very risky.

[Anonymous No.8778196]

>>8776377
4chan is for Nazis only fucking nigger kike!

[Anonymᴑus No.8778211]

>>8776371
the sky is gray, like your soul

[Anonymous No.8778240]

>>8778168
I'm not sure what was going on prior to my senior year, but there was one for each semester this year. I'm not going to say they weren't doing them before then because the more likely answer is I just didn't care enough to notice. I went to the one last semester looking for either a full time job after I graduate or an internship before then. As I mentioned in >>8778036 you would not believe how hard everybody failed to comprehend the idea of an internship not during the summer. I got one interview otherwise for a full time position but did absolutely terribly.

[Anonymous No.8778245]

>>8776359
brainlet cuck

[Anonymous No.8778256]

>>8776747
Best jobs in the entire world but people think being a cs major is being a code monkey for a company selling used cars or some shit.

[Anonymous No.8778263]

>>8777705
Tell him to open in Chile, people work a lot for low salaries and there's a lot of talent if you avoid certain (((schools)))

[Anonymous No.8778293]

>>8776354
I don't regret going into EE, but this meme really pisses me off. There're a lot of people out there who are going to go through 4 years of engineering because of this meme. Then they will hate themselves because they believed it would guarantee them a job without experience.

[Anonymous No.8778522]

>>8778068
how do i not understand this when i outright said that they put too much merit into internships in the second sentence?

also, there's no reason why you have to waste your time with a HR drone. half decent companies will just have them fish out resumes, call you to set up a time for an interview, and the people you'll actually work under/with will interview you.

[Anonymous No.8778620]

>>8776377
>Did you just admit to being a nazi?
>What is the third person?

kill yourself, you little sjw bitch.

[Anonymous No.8778633]

>>8776354
There is a shortage of qualified people. When it comes to paying unqualified Jack 80k and provide him with benefits, paying unqualified pradeet 50k with no benefits is the much better option.

[Anonymous No.8778671]

>>8777727
>What is a 2 year contract?

[Anonymous No.8778680]

>all these people saying "just do an internship lmao"

I don't know what major you guys are in or what country, but I can assure you that in Canada for chemical engineering you are not getting an internship without mommy and daddies help.

My friend has a 3.93 GPA, research experience first and second year summers, and could not even get a call back from places when he was looking for an internship this summer. Graduating next year and most of us and forced right into graduate school.

[Anonymous No.8778713]

>>8778680
All the posters above who said they have shit GPAs, fucked around in school and still have multiple companies lined up after graduation wanting to suck their dicks are deliberately leaving huge gaps in their story. They don't want to mention the fact mommy and daddy pulled some strings for their special snowflakes.

[Anonymous No.8778717]

>>8778680
"networking" is what got me jobs.

[Anonymous No.8778722]

>>8778717
read: asking mommy and/or daddy

[Anonymous No.8778732]

>>8778717
I'd believe this if you said that your professor referred you somewhere, but nowadays there are so many chucklefucks lining up to kiss ass I had to beg one of my professors for 6 weeks, every week to get an unpaid position in their lab.

[Anonymous No.8778738]

>>8776473
>the only correct response in the thread has zero replies
not even surprised anymore

[Anonymous No.8778762]

>>8776359
((())) = jews

[Anonymous No.8778777]

>>8778722
>>8778732
Nah, just random friends and peers I knew or had helped at some point who knew a guy or had some in with a company.
>hang out and work with good students in major
>now on good terms with at least one person at most major companies in industry

[Anonymous No.8778811]

>>8778777
that makes sense if your university isn't filled with people from blue collar backgrounds. you think i didn't bother asking my peers? i knew a couple of guys that i helped out multiple times and never asked for anything, yet they still weren't able to help me out.

[Anonymous No.8779532]

>>8778680
To be fair, that's Canada. Trying to get a job as an engineer in Canada seems suicide-tier

[Anonymous No.8779597]

>>8777703
>the vast majority of my applications did not receive any response after the automated submission confirmation, or received a rejection email few weeks to months later. the only calls back i received were from third party staffing companies that were trying to fill local jobs that paid around 40k/year contract positions with no benefits. this maybe would have worked if i didn't live in a high cost of living area and the jobs were actually engineering related and not just drafting positions where i wouldn't learn any further skills to help me advance.
Literally my experience. Graduated in May, have been applying to hundreds of positions since, moved out of state in November to be closer to the industry, and only just now landed such a mediocre agency contract. While better than minimum wage it is still shit for the area and it offers no relevant experience.
>contract states I can apply to permanent positions but emphasizes that temp workers are given no priority over outside applicants and that I am not allowed to speak with management about such opportunities
Hostile as fuck.

[Anonymous No.8779625]

>>8776354
this is the solution to the problem

[Anonymous No.8779631]

>>8776354
is it hard to get a job after a master degree too?
what about phd?

[Anonymous No.8779672]

>>8776473
I read h1b average salaries are higher though

[Anonymous No.8779764]

If there was a shortage they would come pick you up before you even graduated. Shortage means employers hire unqualified people and train them at work. Just because there is a job opening doesn't mean there is a job. What the employers are doing is equivalent to playing lottery, they hope some god tier super specialist willing to work underpaid just happens to walk in. Not blaming these employers.
It's the bureaucrats that piss me of, they see job openings like these as a signal there is shortage. There is no shortage. But desu I don't think there is much of shortage of anything. What is the government supposed to educate people into when there is no shortage of anything except entrepreneurs/employers? In their defense, I think they hope the stem people will come up with the next big thing that will employ the next generation.

[Anonymous No.8779778]

Companies want a wunderkind who's willing to work 10 hours a day for 60-100k.

[Anonymous No.8780568]

>>8777705
did he try france?

[Anonymous No.8780584]

>>8780568
Haha
We're plagued by our reputation. While we do have some advantages (very productive workforce, somehow qualified, lots of potential workers), people don't like us. Perhaps it's the strikes, perhaps it's the regulations. But people don't like us.

An American firm recently closed down a plant and outsourced it to Poland, despite it making substantial benefits. Almost all the plants that close down is because the shareholders didn't get enough, not because they weren't profitable. We make benefits, just not enough.

[Anonymous No.8780693]

>tfw graduating in a year with BS geology
>interest is meme tier and jobs are random


m-maybe i'll go into masters

[Anonymous No.8781136]

>>8776766
get a load of this guy

[Anonymous No.8781142]

>>8781136
it's just some butthurt curry trash. we've been getting more of them recently since reddit is making itself feel at home on /sci/.

[Anonymous No.8781461]

>>8776354
>(((classes)))

Stopped reading the thread right here.

What, STEM classes are a Jewish conspiracy or something? Fucking retard. Go back to /pol/ asswipe. /sci/ is not for people with an IQ of 70.

[Anonymous No.8781492]

>>8781461
>I wonder who's behind this post...

[Anonymous No.8781501]

(((>>8776359)))

[Anonymous No.8781510]

>>8781461
t. pic related

[Anonymous No.8781523]

>>8781142
it's probably some false-flagging /poltard

I dunno what the problem is with allowing foreigners to migrate that are economically solvent, non-criminal, and have skills that are in demand.

We buy, produce, trade just like white people. As far as workers rights and social programs, I think those are essential, but I don't understand the need for restricting economic and scientific development by forcing people who can benefit from one another, and can be socialized whereever they live, apart by political boundaries. Economics isn't a 0 sum game/

[Anonymous No.8781532]

>>8778680
what sorts of jobs are you looking for ?
Looking for jobs is time consuming but it's not difficult to secure a 40K US$/annum income with even average grades after an engineering degree.
Is he looking for something very specific, or a three figure income or some shit, or is he not willing to relocate? For reference, every 50 applications you submit, expect a response for an interview from one, up to 4 if you're really hot stuff

[Anonymous No.8781539]

>>8781532
>40K US$/annum
>three figure income

[Anonymous No.8781541]

>>8781539
*six
sorry i'm kinda tarded

[Anonymous No.8781545]

>>8781523
It's simply a matter of culture. Economic and scientific advancement mean nothing if the culture is diluted by a sea of immigrants.

[Anonymous No.8781557]

>>8781545
sure i can respect that.
depends on the values and willingness to integrate new ideas on behalf of the migrant for themselves and their children.

[Anonymous No.8781558]

>>8781492
>>8781501

This is so cringy outside of /pol/ what the fuck dude. Are you over 18?

[Anonymous No.8781568]

Is it too late to find internships for the summer, mechanical engineering Junior here.

Is it over? Am I fucked for life?

[Anonymous No.8781571]

>>8781568
You were fucked for life once you started studying engineering desu

[Anonymous No.8781575]

>>8781568
>Is it too late to find internships for the summer, mechanical engineering Junior here.

spam your resume at local machine shops/automotive shops and see if they need a bitch boy for a few months. all the good internships are pretty much filled. you'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel, but you literally need to take whatever you can get.

construction companies that specialize in HVAC too.

[Anonymous No.8781577]

>>8781523
fuck off back to >>>/r/eddit. i can smell the curry from your post, you nasty fuck.

the only people worth letting in are east asians.

[Anonymous No.8781589]

>>8776473
This

>>8779672
They're supposed to be by law but it never gets enforced because H1B holders would rather accept lower wages and shit treatment than risk termination of employment (and therefore immigration status) by reporting it or making any demands whatsoever, for that matter.

[Carbon No.8781726]

>>8776354
You sound like a commie son...

[Anonymous No.8781730]

I'm applying for stuff, and it asks if I've ever been a government employee. Is being a government employee a good or bad thing?
I have a job where it can kinda work either or.

[Anonymous No.8781755]

>>8781577
You are free to invite whomever you want where you live of course.
I'm not asking to stay at your house.

I keep hearing about the dangers of socialism, redistribution of income, how the working man is supporting welfare leeches.
Well how is that inherently different from telling people you can only spend your money on certain good made my certain people.
I'm making some transactions between my private property and that of others and I'm not telling you what to believe or even asking for citizenship or committing crimes. I so don't understand why our governments have to step in and force two adults apart that want to make transaction with one anothers' property.

I understand there's more nuance to the matter than that. But as far as I can tell, your national security isn't at stake, and you're not at risk of losing your livelihood over just more competition for work.
From what I can tell, all I am doing is selling a service and finding people willing to spend their own money to buy that service. And we're effectively being forced apart by political boundaries, without much justification other than some folks who get the vote can force us to spend our private property a certain way for no reason other than they hope for maybe higher wages in the short term.

[Anonymous No.8781758]

>>8781755
don't ever reply to post again, curry scum.

[Anonymous No.8782169]

>>8776354
>had 3.0
>rambling rekk
>CS BS

>90k starting anywhere i want meme is true
>no internships
>owning a github sets me apart

Funny

[Anonymous No.8783174]

>>8776354
it's actually this:

>copmanies complaining there is a shortage of GOOD STEM workers
>millions of gaymers, fat whores, feminists, numales and pajeets rush to CS unis
>plagiarize, collude, cheat, pass with shitty grades, finish uni with 0 real knowledge and interest in CS, math and programming
>these idiots don't get hired
>they moan and cry, some go to reddit, some go to 4chan and cry some more
>these inexperienced and dumb masses of CS fags don't get hired because pajeets know the same shit they do but will agree to work for less
>companies still complain about shortage

[Anonymous No.8783182]

>>8776473
>Who else regrets falling for the stem as a valid career path meme?
I don't. Wanna know why? Because I actually gave a shit about CS and aimed at getting jobs that no pajeet would be capable of getting

>muuhh filthy immirants
>stealing my job
>a job that I want to apply
>can't get said job
>but pajeet can, and pajeet will even ask for less

might it be that..............

you're dumber than a pajeet and greedier?

[Anonymous No.8783222]

>>8776354
there's a shortage of competent STEM wage slaves.

why anyone would work for mr shekelstein when they have good skills I have no idea.

[Anonymous No.8783716]

>>8776377
>nazi publishes ground-breaking paper in his field of interest that completely changes the game
>PFFT. Are you expecting me NOT to discard your paper??
Nice.

[Anonymous No.8783718]

>>8781558
The real cringe is the people who get triggered enough to (((reply)))

[Anonymous No.8783724]

>>8776730
>It's my opinion that his argument is solely composed of opinions
Nice opinion, retard

[Anonymous No.8783733]

>>8783182
until the employer realizes that all of those cheap pajeets he keeps hiring over domestic applicants are actually terrible, have no quality standards, and end up shitting everywhere they find employment both in their labor and in their social interactions

I can see you've clearly never worked in the industry. There's a reason why the smarter and more successful companies have drastically curbed back on hiring H1Bs, especially chinks and pajeets.

[Anonymous No.8783742]

>>8781523
Ignoring the obvious cultural damage that importing shitty foreigners has on Western society, the idea that there are jobs that are "in demand" any more in any advanced Western society, especially the fucking USA, that can't and won't be filled almost immediately by qualified domestic applicants is absolutely absurd, deceitful, and criminal.

[Anonymous No.8783744]

>>8777668
>engineer
ew.

[Anonymous No.8783750]

>>8777964
>above a 4.0
what the fuck are you talking about you insurmountable faggot why are you pretending like you would ever hire anyone or even be in a position comparable to employing other thinking human beings?

[Anonymous No.8783776]

>>8783733
>until the employer realizes that all of those cheap pajeets he keeps hiring over domestic applicants are actually terrible, have no quality standards, and end up shitting everywhere they find employment both in their labor and in their social interactions


ya because like that's not to be expected from your average American '''intellectual''', only difference is they're cheaper

[Anonymous No.8783786]

>>8783776
Thanks for revealing you don't know shit about the state of the industry (at least in Soft Eng).

[Anonymous No.8783791]

>>8783750
if your school goes on a +/- scale it is possible to get above a 4.0 GPA

[Anonymous No.8783807]

>>8783791
Every grading system I have ever seen in America operates on a +/- scale. That doesn't change the fact that if your grade is determined out of 4.0 then it is impossible to get above a 4.0 gpa. A 4.0 gpa is literally perfect marks in every subject and every course. I can just feel my IQ dropping for having to explain this absolutely rudimentary shit to you you incredible fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.8783812]

So is the thread tl;dr lesson that companies are either run by or pressured by virtue signaling faggots and are now forced to hire everyone but straight white males, even if it leads to them getting shit quality employees?

[Anonymous No.8783842]

>>8776359
>complaining about coincidences
Whats wrong, you wouldn't happen to be a (((dean))) would you?

[Anonymous No.8783843]

>>8783807
>Every grading system I have ever seen in America

then you haven't seen many grading systems. i have seen several american universities where an A+ is weighted as 4.2

[Anonymous No.8783856]

>>8783843
Guess you're right, I only stick to schools that matter.

t. ivyfag

[Anonymous No.8783939]

>>8783812
The problem is that HR departments have been the dumping ground for niggers/liberals/SJW's/other AA hires

So they will only hire their own kind when they are running things

[Anonymous No.8784021]

>>8776362
>but at least it pays well, is relatively secure, and is easy to find employment
Lol, I'm 31, have a proven track managing R&D projects with federal funds in two countries and being accountable for their success and Intel just rejected me.

[Anonymous No.8784035]

>>8784021
should have told them you don't poo in the loo, so you'd fit in with the culture.

[Anonymous No.8784104]

>>8784021
Maybe cause Intel has enough Pajeets in their dev team.

[Anonymous No.8784159]

>>8777770
I'm not sure if they'd even consider your admission since it's normal in STEM to do at least one seminar and one thesis in your Bachelor

[Anonymous No.8784164]

>>8784021
is Intel a company i want to work for? i have an interview with them and some folks say they work their guys like slaves.

[Anonymous No.8784415]

>>8778137
Not American, but I thought Jewish people were counted as white in American college applications.

[Anonymous No.8784446]

>>8783812
No the thread tl;dr is that there is a huge disconnect between what companies are publicly saying about their need for fresh blood and STEM and they're willingness to actually train them.

[Anonymous No.8784473]

>>8784415
lmao "no"

jews are white when it fits them, and a "minority" when it benefits them.

[Anonymous No.8784530]

>be h1b rajeet
>get code monkey job at microsoft for $50k
>get to laugh at all the amerifags I cucked out of a job and now have to move back in with mommy

Look who can afford a loo now, faggots.

[Anonymous No.8784684]

>>8778052
>>8778073
>mfw this is all you got from your internship and all the value you attribute to it.
t. graduate student anon

[Anonymous No.8785004]

>>8784530
Aurangzeeb did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.8785314]

>>8777964
>Turbo autist with 4.0 GPA and no work experience vs mid range GPA "normie" with internship
>work experience trumps higher GPAs
>tfw you going to work military industrial complex for your internship this summer
>feelsgoodman

[Anonymous No.8786284]

>>8776354
RACIST RACIST RACIST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.8786290]

>>8776354
if that's true it seems like those companies would rather pay pooinloos less money than hire you

[Anonymous No.8786682]

>Third year EE student
>2.6 GPA
>get job as electronics assembly tech at a company run like shit
>as a result of the company being shit I have a ton of responsibilities that look great on paper
>work there for 3rd and 4th year of school
>graduate with 3.2
>in the months post graduation I get offers from just about everywhere I apply
>land a job at a comfy audio equipment company
>excel in my work because i'm not retarded
>mfw my brainlet classmates complain about no jobs because they refused to do grunt work and instead got meme 6 week internships where they were coddled the entire time

[Anonymous No.8786686]

>>8776359
>getting (((triggered)))

[Anonymous No.8786693]

>>8785314
you have to be a turbo autist to want to do that job. enjoy becoming a raging alcoholic and developing the million yard stare from the weight of your craft.

i had that offer and said "no thanks".

[Anonymous No.8786750]

>>8786682
How did you raise your GPA by 0.6 points in a year? Are senior classes that leniently graded?

[Anonymous No.8786814]

>>8786750
2.6 at start of third year, 3.2 at graduation. Trimester schedule. Lots of A's and actual hard work compared to the first two years when I was a "dude smart but lazy xdd"

[Anonymous No.8786827]

>>8786750
It's really not that hard, especially when your GPA is low to begin with.

In virtually any (American) classroom if you get a sub 90 grade in a course one of these things is what happened:
>you slacked off hard
>you did sloppy work on the final
>you're dumb

[Anonymous No.8786832]

>>8786814
hey this is me only i'm still you in the "dude smart" phase

[Anonymous No.8786839]

>>8786827
This is what makes me worry that I might have fucked up picking my uni. It's one of the best in the country for engineering, but it's also one of the few that doesn't have much grade inflation. Average first year GPA here is 2.7 and it sucks.

[Anonymous No.8786989]

>think stem seems stupid
>go to cc for design
>teach self jaavascript & python
>switch to cs
>land internship 2nd semester of cs
Dunno what i should do now...

[Anonymous No.8787003]

>>8786839
Average GPA doesn't mean much, especially in freshman year. Freshman classes are huge and a chunk of them are retards who don't belong there and people who were turbo-slackers in high school and have not yet realized what the required amount of work is.

The average behaviour doesn't dictate what you in particular are capable of getting.

[Anonymous No.8787044]

>stem shortage
>women flood STEM fields, usually end up not accomplishing anything unless a man tells them to
>EE's were around 50% more in the 70s/80s (2/3rds or less now, partly because Comp Eng)
>only kept afloat by pushing minorities and women through
Idk, why don't you pick a degree that's actually in demand and do something with it?

>mfw a smug MS Psychfag is working as a house cleaner PART TIME
>mfw I've literally designed a plaque ablater

[Anonymous No.8787049]

>>8787003

>turbo-slackers in high school

this would be me

got a 3.1 my first year and 3.5+ the next 3

[Anonymous No.8787066]

sup bros.

i have a bunch of offers on my plate right now, but i've narrowed it down to two

option 1:
+government job (EZ)
+21 vacation days a year
+going to kill my student debt after 1 year
+literally can't be made to work over time
+guaranteed promotions every year

-only 45k$ starting
-pretty low tech/boring stuff
-typical government bullshit
-won't be able to get my PE

option 2:
+85k$ starting
+10 vacation days a year
+health insurance equal to gubmint job
+high tech stuff
+will get my PE in short order

-OVATIME baby
-no guarantee of promotions
-still gotta pay off my own student debt
-kind of a cut throat environment


what do? both are in the same geographical location. i have to decide by monday.

[Anonymous No.8787069]

Wow this has to be bullshit... From top 50 universities Mech/Chem Engineers usually have a 90%+ job placement rate and if you have between a 3.0-3.5 you usually get 50-70k starting, and anything above a 3.8 and a mediocre summer internship gets you 80k+ starting. You guys must be serious autists.

[Anonymous No.8787072]

>>8787003
I'm not so sure. For one thing most first year classes are graded on a curve where getting average will get you a B- (2.7 gpa). Upper level classes are more lenient about grading even though they are harder.

[Anonymous No.8787076]

>>8787069
>top 50
theres the problem. most of these kids are going to rando state schools and literal degree mills.

[Anonymous No.8787088]

>>8787066
Why can't you get the PE with the government?

I'd go with the government job. Once you're in, it opens up so many more doors, especially if you could get a security clearance or something. When they say the government is burning through money, they aren't kidding.

[Anonymous No.8787094]

>>8787088
>Why can't you get the PE with the government?
because i wouldn't be doing "engineering work of progressive complexity and responsibility". i'd essentially be doing rinky dink engineering stuff with a larger emphasis on handling money/contracts.

[Anonymous No.8787105]

>life sciences are a meme!
>biology isnt real science!
>physics/engineering/CS masterrace
fast forward past undergrad

>why arent there any jobs
>why are only code farms hiring for pajeet-tier salaries
>why do i need to go for a masters/doctorate in maths just to get a job
meanwhile, in the life sciences camp
>wow im glad i got hired out of college because i have a skillset that is worth something and isnt being outsourced by unwashed third worlders

[Anonymous No.8787122]

>people complaining about $40k/yr
what reality do you guys live in
i currently subsist on $18k/yr min wage and have managed to save up $5k cash while in undergrad

$40k/yr is living as a king

[Anonymous No.8787124]

>>8787066
I think the "long haul" decision would be to pick the government work but I can definitely understand the draw of the riskier job offer.

After having gone to school for several years the idea of doing stuff that doesn't suck a lot of the time is very exciting. If you can get excited about what you are doing that is very influential on how easy it will be for you to do work.

[Anonymous No.8787133]

>>8787122
seriously tho, I only make like 27k/year and still manage to maintain a high standard of living while saving money. If you're single and make any sort of money there's no excuse

[Anonymous No.8787140]

>>8787094
I know a few guys who actually went for an MBA or whatever, a business degree that's EE at the same time. One was working full time or almost, and his employer was subsidizing him I think.

[Anonymous No.8787153]

>>8787066
gubbmint
stick around for 20 years and you just earned yourself a fat government paycheck for the rest of your fucking life after you retire

what actually smart people do is get a bachelors, become an officer in the military for 20 years, retire and collect that dole, then use their military connections to get ANOTHER government job for 20 years, then retire AGAIN

suddenly they get paid $35k+ to be retired at age fucking 65, in addition to all their other retirement planning and investments

all while fucking around in the military and dicking about in a good ol' boys club afterwards

[Anonymous No.8787161]

>>8787133
i really dont understand people, man.
they kill themselves to make an additional $10k a year, and then do nothing with it but sit on the money

do they not realize that if they simply took $20k/yr less, they would enjoy their life so much more? what the fuck are you going to do with all that money when you are single?

only so many cars you can buy before it doesnt matter, only so big a house before you start testing the strength of the rafters with your neck

[Anonymous No.8787163]

>>8776362
well it's really great that there are respectable 4 year degrees in software development

oh wait no there isnt

there is computer science which is not about learning software engineering, programming or other shit like that

[Anonymous No.8787172]

>>8787163
There are lots of issues and they mainly stem from incompetency, as a whole species. As humans face the challenges ahead, it's easy to want to quit. But there is hope. There's no reason to throw this deck of cards to the ground, or to say "Why is my life shit I should just die". There's more to life, there's hope, there's love, and it's out there.

[Anonymous No.8787199]

>>8787161
It's nice, at the point I'm at right now I can do relatively interesting things at work all day and not have any of it come home with me. I have super flexible hours and while the work I do is essential I can still take time when I need to.

Most engineering autists (myself included) aren't equipped to go from tendie money right into big time engineering money.

[Anonymous No.8787204]

>>8787199
whatever big time engineering money is being made, nobody's letting me get any.

There's an old negro spirtual it goes something like

"Building deze mens a raod... so I can watch they pretty cars pass on by"

[Anonymous No.8787409]

Currently a junior at UW, got a boeing internship last summer after sophomore year with a 3.9 since easy as fuck introductory classes in chem e, got payed 31/hr to sit on my ass and watch hbogo. The fuck you guys having so much trouble with?... UW isn't even top tier niggas.

[Anonymous No.8787434]

>3.9

[Anonymous No.8787455]

>>8777720
Does it matter if the master program is prestigious? I'm thinking of getting one from a local state school instead of my alma matter university which only start fall of every year.
But yeah I'm in the same situation, got an internship at SpaceX last year,but literally no offers for 3 months already. Feels bad man

[Anonymous No.8787460]

>>8787455
It's hard for youth to be productive or innovative when they're being driven off of a cliff

[Anonymous No.8787465]

>>8787455
Just imagine the cortisal levels in this thread... probably causing brain damage, chest pain, haven't sleep in almost 48 hours

PLEASE HELP

[Anonymous No.8787479]

>>8777940
My friend had a 2.8 something GPA
worked hard on (((her))) internships and now have a position in Raytheon

[Anonymous No.8787482]

hahaha jews right guys

[Anonymous No.8787488]

>>8779631
I think you can get some internship during your master easier which lead to better job prospect

[Anonymous No.8787489]

>>8787482
>Rothschild bankers

Literally jews, what's wrong with jewish jokes? I'm not anti-Semitic goyim....

[Anonymous No.8787503]

>>8787489
the problems start when people genuinely believe these delusions
Really the most annoying thing within all these narratives is that the jews are both infinitely powerful, but also somehow beneath everyone else.

[Anonymous No.8787505]

>>8787503
Most people don't think about that sort of thing, but that's how society works at large.

[Anonymous No.8787506]

>>8782169
I assure you my github is stronger than yours. I don't have a job though. Where did you apply that's 90k starting anywhere?

[Anonymous No.8787507]

>>8787506
SpaceX!

[Anonymous No.8787525]

>>8787507
are you working at the launch sites? or Hawthorne

[Anonymous No.8787530]

>>8787525
Don't worry about it

[Anonymous No.8787534]

>>8787530
Nice. I totally believe you

[Anonymous No.8787536]

>>8787534
thanks

[Anonymous No.8787543]

>>8787507
I have a hard time believing you're >>8782169. Anyway, what would a SpaceX look for in terms of software projects? My github has nothing related to actual engineering.

[Anonymous No.8787547]

>>8787543
I dunno rly I'm just an intern right now

[Anonymous No.8787551]

>>8787543
Software stuff usually involve writing automation script (python) for launch software.
hardware you should know more about writing fpga or knowing LABVIEW
>intern has 6 figure salary if they work 60 hours week
>you get paid less as an actual engineer
>engineers work 12-15 hours a day

[Anonymous No.8787653]

>>8787551
I'm 2dumb4space

[Anonymous No.8787700]

>>8787455

Holy fuck... How?? This has to be bait....

This whole thread has to be bait...

[Anonymous No.8787705]

>>8787551
Dude this whole shit is obviously bait. SpaceX doesn't pay 90k starting. They look for 4+ years experience to break 80k. They also pay less for coding. Unless you're software. But if you were software you wouldn't work for SpaceX. And coders also make less than the engineers.

I feel like this whole board perpetuates the inaccurate meme of coding being a high paying degree fresh out. They definitely make less than engineers. I'm pretty sure a lot of the posts here of engineers complaining are either CS trolls or kids that went to a 200 or below ranked uni. Kids from UT Austin in Mech E start with 85k...

[Anonymous No.8787825]

>>8787455
I'm going to my state school, but it happens to be pretty well known for aerospace (wichita state).

I guess it depends on the subfield. Stuff like structures is so well-studied that a Master's is basically a Bachelor's 2.0

[Anonymous No.8787829]

>>8787700
Nigga, aerospace is in decline right now. The total number of aerospace jobs is decreasing, while the total number of people with degrees in aerospace is increasing. A lot of people just aren't gonna make it, sad to say.

[Anonymous No.8787890]

>>8787076
this

[Anonymous No.8787916]

> mfw dual finance/engineering degree and reading this thread

should've just done dentistry when I had the chance

> tfw fell for the "don't worry son you'll get a job with that engineering degree" meme

[Anonymous No.8787919]

/sci/ is for science and math, not sociological problems.

[Anonymous No.8788133]

>>8787829
This is why I always wonder why aerospace is always said to be a good degree. It's not a versatile degree. EEs and MEs could go for aerospace and do other things if that doesn't work out.

[Anonymous No.8788136]

>>8787916
The "golden age" of dentistry is over. Jordan Belfort dropped it because it wouldn't give him any money.

[Anonymous No.8788252]

>>8788133
This, anyone that says AE is a good degree is just some kid that thinks he's gonna be an astronaut

t. Aerospace engineer

[Anonymous No.8789315]

>>8788252
Or you just suck. Boeing is hiring like fuck from UW. I don't know a single AE who couldn't get a job from either them or NASA Houston or Alabama.

[Anonymous No.8789320]

>>8787163
pretty sure most CS grads end up in development. and a lot of schools are now offering Software Engineering as an actual major. basically it's CS - some theory + practical shit. my uni has the CS and SE kids doing the same thing for the first 2.5 years and then branch off the last few semesters. the CS students learn AI and compilers and shit, while the SE students learn large scale development, testing, agile techniques, etc..

[Anonymous No.8789535]

>>8777703
>i used to think that the primary reason i had so much difficulty was due to being a white immigrant

LOL really? You whitebois need to get a damn grip

[Anonymous No.8789566]

>>8789315
AE cucks just get put to work in systems, M&P, manufacturing, or project management, where they can sit around and pretend they're important. MEs and EEs make planes fly.

[Anonymous No.8789837]

What's the point of Engineering when the job grown is minuscule and there are so few jobs compared to other professions like Accounting?

[Anonymous No.8789974]

>>8789837
You don't have to work in engineering as an engineer. It's a respected degree for a lot of different jobs even if getting an engineering job doesn't work out.

Generally, if you graduate with a little work experience from an internship or co op you'll get an engineering job anyway.

[Anonymous No.8789975]

What areyou going to do? Cry about it on sci you big baby bitch?