Are racial differences in intelligence scientifically true?

[Anonymous No.8677098]

Here's an extract from an interview with James Watson, one of the men who discovered the double-helix structure of DNA, in 2007:

>He says that he is “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really”, and I know that this “hot potato” is going to be difficult to address. His hope is that everyone is equal, but he counters that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”. He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.

Is he right?

[Anonymous No.8677104]

we don't know

[Anonymous No.8677119]

>>8677104
What do you think is the best explanation based on the data that is available?

And just to be clear, you are then admitting it is perfectly possible that certain races could be, on average, less intelligent, as determined by their genes, correct?

[Anonymous No.8677137]

>>8677098
> Are racial differences in intelligence scientifically true?
Considering that nutrition plays a huge role in development and we don't have much in the way of research into intelligence across races that corrects for differences in nutrition, I'd say the answer is "Who the fuck knows, not enough data."

And that's not even touching things like lead poisoning, which has only declined relatively recently and even then somewhat unevenly.

[Anonymous No.8677159]

>>8677104
The answer is actually no. We know that intelligence must involve a very high number of genes, and we can measure the overall genetic diversity of humans. Even if 100% of genetic differences between races was all located in genes for intelligence, it wouldn't account for a large IQ gap. You would have to have hundreds of genes all have very largely clustered amounts of allele frequencies. We simply don't observe that.

[Anonymous No.8677203]

>>8677159

Intelligence isn't an average of every contributing gene. You can't just say "muh diversity of genes" without talking about the effects of each expressed gene in their different variations. If you have different selective pressures, you will have different combinations of alleles that will end up being passed down more frequently than other combinations.

[Anonymous No.8677213]

>>8677159
Why is retardation one of the most common kinds of birth defects? There are many more people with gene defects that make them retarded than people with gene defects that make them born with no arms or with no toes.

You can make theories about why your preconceived notions might be true all you want, but what we observe in reality is that intelligence seems to vary a lot on a genetic level, even if you imagine that there are only 2 levels of intelligence possible; normal and retarded.

[Anonymous No.8677228]

>>8677203
We've been search for genes related to intelligence for about two decades. We thought we found some, turns out we didn't. We still haven't found a single one, and the statistical power of modern genetic analysis is staggering. This discounts any possibility of a single or small number of genes that have a large impact. We will without a doubt found hundreds of genes that all play a small part.

Select pressure has nothing to do with it... You clearly do not understand evolution. Natural selection only acts on a small number of traits at a time, and never without a lot of pressure. That would lead to extinction. There is no evidence that intelligence has ever been selected for in humans in any particular environment. In fact, it was our ability to make tools and clothing that allowed us to overcome selective pressures and leave Africa to begin with.

>inb4 cold makes you smart!
Just go back to /pol/ or educate yourself, brainlet. This isn't the place for you.

[Anonymous No.8677234]

>>8677213
Those are almost always massive errors in the genome... for example, as in your case, and extra chromosome. That's just a difference of a few genes.

[Anonymous No.8677236]

>>8677137
This is the correct answer.

Though one could probably cite some relevant adoption studies at this juncture.

[Anonymous No.8677237]

>>8677213
Downs syndrome is caused by an entire extra chromosome, not just a few genes.

You can deny the reality of human genetics all you want, and you can claim that environmental influence don't matter, but you'd still be retarded.

[Anonymous No.8677241]

>>8677137
>Considering that nutrition plays a huge role in development
Right... do you know whether it plays a huge role in *intelligence*, specifically? Do you have data and evidence for this?

>>8677159
>We know that intelligence must involve a very high number of genes, and we can measure the overall genetic diversity of humans. Even if 100% of genetic differences between races was all located in genes for intelligence, it wouldn't account for a large IQ gap. You would have to have hundreds of genes all have very largely clustered amounts of allele frequencies. We simply don't observe that.
This doesn't at all support your very definitively stated conclusion of "no".

We already know that genes contribute to:
>Differences in skin colour
>Differences in hair texture
>Differences in height (Africans are, on average, much taller than Asians)

So how can you *conclusively* say that intelligence can't be determined by different genes in different populations? You can't, can you?

[Anonymous No.8677242]

>>8677098
You wouldn't ask an astrophysicist how to operate on a brain tumor, why the fuck would you ask a chemist about psychology and evolution? Fucking scientists need to stick to their area of expertise, this is obviously not Watson's and his views are stupid. Also Rosalind Franklin deserves the credit for his "discovery". The man is a fucking sham.

Also IQ and other tests have proven time and again to have bias and to be inaccurate measures of intelligence. When you stack the cards in a racist manner of course they're going to have a racist outcome.

[Anonymous No.8677243]

>>8677213

This statement confuses me. If retardation is far more common than missing arms or legs does that not there for imply that there are far more genes and interactions between genes governing intelligence than governing the growth and implementation of limbs?

Does this not further his point instead of yours? Or am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.8677245]

You have to go back.

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.8677247]

>>8677241
>So how can you *conclusively* say that intelligence can't be determined by different genes in different populations? You can't, can you?
Those traits all involve a very small number of genes.

Intelligence involves hundreds at least.

[Anonymous No.8677248]

>>8677241
>Right... do you know whether it plays a huge role in *intelligence*, specifically? Do you have data and evidence for this?

I'm not the guy you're arguing with but we do have some evidence for this. Pic related.

I am by no mean a believer in the myth of humanity or a diversity pusher, but I also have some doubts about the racialist theory of intelligence.

[Anonymous No.8677254]

>>8677243
>>8677237
>>8677234
All I'm saying is that we know, for a fact, that DNA changes can and do cause massive changes in intelligence frequently, and much MORE frequently than other physical changes to the human body. As for the reason that is the case, I make no claims. That's just how it is.

[Anonymous No.8677256]

>>8677247
>Those traits all involve a very small number of genes.

Height does not depend on a small number of genes. (As far as I know.)

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29480803

[Anonymous No.8677257]

>>8677254
It's apples and oranges. An entire extra chromosome is not the same as a few different alleles.

[Anonymous No.8677263]

>>8677228
>There is no evidence that intelligence has ever been selected for in humans in any particular environment.
Apart from the fact that cultures in colder parts of the world have proved to be much more inventive (European, Asian, Inuit humans became much more innovative, much less generally aggressive, and much more co-operative, than those in Africa - that's because co-operation and innovation were needed to survive in these tougher climates).

Here's a question. You accept that we have bred dogs over many many years to select for different behaviour, don't you? Although whether you accept it or not, it's true. CLEARLY, then, *behaviour*, if nothing else, can be passed down through genes. It stands to reason that different ethnic groups, with vastly different phenotypical features (skin colour, hair texture, skull/facial structure, etc.), could very well have different genetically determined ranges of behaviour, then, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.8677269]

>>8677263
>selective breeding is the same as natural selection!!!

[Anonymous No.8677270]

>>8677228
Sounds good to me.

[Anonymous No.8677274]

>>8677257
There are a lot of forms of retardation that have nothing to do with Down Syndrome. Even without DS in the equation it's pretty common.

[Anonymous No.8677279]

>>8677269
It is, though. The only difference is that the selective force is for "things that humans like" instead of "things that make you fuck"

[Anonymous No.8677281]

>>8677270
>we do not have much knowledge of the biological determination of intelligence as of yet
>therefore, there are no mean differences in intelligence between the races caused by race related genetic factors

This does not seem correct.

[Anonymous No.8677285]

>>8677279
That difference is important. Natural does not selective for traits that human beings find desirable like intelligence, hair color, shitposting ability, etc.

You can shitpost all day long and deny science all you want. There is no evidence for this retarded "cold makes you smart" idea.

[Anonymous No.8677291]

>>8677281
As I already stated, we do have a large amount of overall knowledge of genetics, human genetics diversity, and some idea of the concepts genetics as it pertains to human intelligence, such as the likely number of genes involved.

You're trying to claim we know nothing and simply have no idea. That's isn't true.

[Anonymous No.8677293]

>>8677263

Pls go.

[Anonymous No.8677297]

>>8677228
>brainlet. This isn't the place for you.
>>8677234
>in your case, and extra chromosome
>>8677237
>you'd still be retarded
>>8677242
>The man is a fucking sham
>his views are stupid

I thought science was based on evidence. Right? Presenting your evidence and any conclusions that you have derived from that evidence.

Or am I wrong and science is actually determined by subjective opinions of people you disagree with?

[Anonymous No.8677304]

>>8677269
It essentially is

>>8677293
Are you implying that certain areas of scientific inquiry are off limits for political reasons?

If so then I suggest you go to the politics board yourself since politics are what guide your pursuit of knowledge. I seek to acquire all knowledge no matter what the political implications, which is why I am on the science board.

[Anonymous No.8677314]

>>8677297
You must be new here. You don't understand how these people work. All the answers the questions are easily available in upper level textbooks about human population genetics. They just don't want to know the truth. They don't want evidence. Even if you link peer reviewed material they wouldn't understand or claim it's a conspiracy.

They do no care about reality. They come here with a political agenda and assume their emotions and beliefs are already true. As you can see in this thread, it will just go back and forth ad nauseam.

[Anonymous No.8677317]

>>8677291
Care to share any?

Because it seems to me like you're just avoiding admitting what is a distinct possibility regarding this question - that it could well be that different population groups throughout the world have different mean levels of intelligence, due to genetic differences (which are apparent in so many other things like skin colour, hair texture, facial structure)

[Anonymous No.8677340]

>>8677247
>Those traits all involve a very small number of genes.
>Intelligence involves hundreds at least.
So how can anybody be confident that such intelligence-determining genes, numerous in number, are EXACTLY THE SAME across all population groups in the entire world? Or another possibility is that these population groups have different sets of intelligence genes, but yet they just HAPPEN to produce the EXACT SAME RESULT regarding mental capacity.

Neither of these explanations appears very plausible to me.

>>8677248
>I also have some doubts about the racialist theory of intelligence.
I don't see why that study would doubt the racialist theory of intelligence at all. It shows a small IQ difference correlating with a change in diet. But the differences in national average IQs, worldwide, is much larger than just a few points.

[Anonymous No.8677343]

>>8677098
>one of the men who discovered the double-helix structure of DNA
Wrong, I think. They imagined a [somewhat] working "microscopic" MODEL for Reality; to describe and to explain what we see happening in the macroscopic world, with our eyes.

HOWEVER, I think the model of dna (rna, replication, ribosomes, five ribose--and all that other chemical stuff about my physical body) is brilliantly imaginative. It is infinitely more interesting science fiction than all the "other science fiction" that's displayed in the science fiction section of book stores and libraries.

>He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically.

Of course! [Inherited] Ignorance, circumstance, environment, cult-ure (if it exists to a significantly detrimental degree) and caregivers. It is reasonable--it is compassionate--to think that all of us are inherently good (intelligent and competent) on the inside: but cause and effect is real and many people are mentally-stunted (vampires) or brain-dead (zombies, that can't be fixed) because of these influencing factors. It's that ignorance is so ugly and disgusting, that most of the time it's hard to face.

There are intelligent people in all self-id'd race and gender, and it's only reasonable that there would be only a small percentage in the world who have common sense intelligence (not merely idiot savantness or lacking coordination and technical aptitute).

[Anonymous No.8677346]

>>8677314
Unfortunately that seems to be the case.

[Anonymous No.8677347]

>>8677263
by European you'd have to include the general Indo-Euroepan subgroup, including Greeks and Persians, Indians and to some extent Arabs, and none of those races lived in particularly cold climates, yet those races did at some points in time have a culture of innovation and science

[Anonymous No.8677353]

Average intelligence is not very important though. For a civilisation to emerge you dont need very much high iq people. how many scientists, in all of human history, have made all the significant discoveries? 10.000? 100.000? 1 million? definetely a very, very small number compared to the overall population. Point is, most of our intelligence will be wasted anyways. You only need very few smart people in a society. The much more important part is how well can these intelligent people live out their potential?

So the negroes probably have way less highly-intelligent people, than whites, and whites have way less of those, than asians. But that really doesn't matter, because much more important is the kind of system these people live in.

A genius who is born in a tribal village will never fulfill his genius potential. A quite smart, but not genius person born into a wealthy academic family will probably make some contribution to science, although his potential is much smaller, than the genius's in the tribal village.

[Anonymous No.8677372]

>>8677291
>You're trying to claim we know nothing and simply have no idea. That's isn't true.

I enjoin you to point out where I stated that we did not know anything about genetic and intelligence, considering that I have summarized your position as stating

>we do not know much

Which seems to be accurate.

Stop panicking about the possibility that mean racial differences in intelligence may be real. It's not an ethical question but something to be investigated.

[Anonymous No.8677376]

>>8677098
Yes, human intelligence if determined by environment and if the environment is simple of course humans from simpler Africa would be braindead compared to the more cognitively challenging Europe. Neanderthals are more evidence that Europe makes hominids become smarter overtime because they are probably the only pure hominid species that has intelligence on par with modern humans.

The african blacks however are an example of how braindead the original humans were infact black people might be smarter than the original humans so they were truely fucking retards in Africa until they migrated into temperate climates forcing them to get smarter. The dumb humans that stayed in Africa only got a slight cognitive bonus over time. Where as the temperate humans went from 56 to 100, the african humans went from 56 to 68 or 72(depends on the african country).

Interesting black people are not the dumbest humans one earth, the inhabitants of Papua New Guinea have adult IQs in the low 50s and live in a rainforest simple climate like black people. Even more interesting is the fact that while some blacks managed to build simple civilization, the New Guineas TO THIS DAY are still in the stone age. A close cousin of the New Guinea is the Australian Aboriginal another human group that is dumber than black people.

Surely the desert climate should have made the Abos become smarter but I suppose if you spend too much time in the jungles your brain is fucked for good.

Another example can be seen with Native Americans, notice how the inhabitants of South America are very stupid compared to North America, this is because once again the jungle climate actually makes humans stupider overtime, as the native americans are idiots compared to their closest cousins the Siberian Yakutst in East Russia.

You will also notice that North East Asians are smarter than South East Asians that also in a jungle climate.

[Anonymous No.8677379]

no stupid goy

[Anonymous No.8677380]

>>8677245
fuck off back to >>>/r/eddit, faggot. submitting false reports is also against the rules.

[Anonymous No.8677383]

>>8677376
Something intriguing in Australia is the fact that pure Abos are barely criminal compared to mix breeds implying the Abos are so braindead they are incapable of organized crime even simple tribal savagery like black gangbangers is beyond them. Most of the tar skin violence is caused by the african refugee spawn in Australia not even the Abos.

[Anonymous No.8677392]

>>8677376
yeah, everybody needs to be as smart as the germanic barbarian tribes and not remain as stupid as those middle eastern egyptians, babylonians and greeks who literally invented western civilization.

[Anonymous No.8677402]

>>8677383
>ethnic group commits more crime
>see! they commit crime cuz they're stupid!

>ethnic group commits less crime
>see! they're too stupid too commit crime

lmao

[Anonymous No.8677403]

>>8677343
>There are intelligent people in all self-id'd race and gender
Indeed, and I'm not saying there aren't. I'm just wondering whether he is correct about average differences in intelligence across races. Personally I think there is evidence to say that there is. Despite its political unpalatability.

>>8677347
>by European you'd have to include the general Indo-Euroepan subgroup, including Greeks and Persians, Indians and to some extent Arabs, and none of those races lived in particularly cold climates, yet those races did at some points in time have a culture of innovation and science
Indeed, all of those groups should be included - and notice that almost all of them had very advanced cultures - Arabs used to have highly advanced cultures and contributed to maths and science. Persians, the same. And Indians too - they were building brick buildings almost 2,000 years ago.

Regarding coldness, yes I suppose you are right. I also mentioned toughness though. One could argue that leaving sub-saharan Africa in the first place (according to the out of Africa theory that scientists generally seem to agree upon, see pic) presented challenges that those who left had to respond to. Those who settled in the arid land of north Africa / Saudi Arabia (who would eventually become Arabs) would have had significant challenges getting food, compared to those in the grassy jungles of sub-saharan Africa, for example.

[Anonymous No.8677412]

>>8677137

[Anonymous No.8677413]

>>8677402
He said ORGANISED crime, so your equivalence is entirely false.

Because Aboriginals definitely DO commit LOTS of crime - cannibalism, abusing their children - these are very well documented within the Aboriginal community.

[Anonymous No.8677417]

>>8677412

[Anonymous No.8677423]

>>8677417
Sorry, I guess I'm a brainlet, because I can't understand what you're trying to say with this image.

[Anonymous No.8677427]

>>8677417
>Tfw black with higher score than the black, white, and asian mean scores.

[Anonymous No.8677429]

>>8677423
the gap is getting smaller, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.8677430]

>>8677429
and income is highly correlated with score

[Anonymous No.8677446]

>>8677402
Also just to remind you that the homicide rate among blacks Americans is SEVEN TIMES HIGHER than that among white Americans (including hispanics). See picture where I have broken down the calculation.

The stats are straight from the FBI, you can look at them yourself right here (look at other years too if you like, the difference between races is almost exactly the same):

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2015.xls

[Anonymous No.8677453]

>>8677417
>>8677429
And the gap is still gigantic. I really don't see how this proves what you want it to prove.

[Anonymous No.8677467]

My girlfriend is 100% Zimbabwean raised in the UK, she got 120 in a cfit, I think if you look at the evolution in western society, the opposite is true, the majority have evolved to be subservient to a few elite, we became soft due to farming, Africans are more connected to a lifestyle where they had to use intelligence and physical fitness to survive, even these racist undertones based on circumstantial observations of intelligence biased by poverty and products of slavery where intelligence was selectively bred out,

There will be growing pains which can be seen throughout western history and throughout the world today in developing nations, however evolution will eventually select out genes that are beneficial into forming a society, we just have to let time play it's role, things are continually getting better as opposed to the mainstream opinions

[Anonymous No.8677480]

>>8677467
>I think if you look at the evolution in western society, the opposite is true, the majority have evolved to be subservient to a few elite, we became soft due to farming
>even these racist undertones based on circumstantial observations

Hang on, so racist undertones based on circumstantial observations are perfectly fine when they're applied to whites?

You've broken your own rule within the same paragraph. How stupid are you?

[Anonymous No.8677488]

>>8677467
>Africans are more connected to a lifestyle where they had to use intelligence and physical fitness to survive
Then why don't they use that intelligence to build great societies instead of being 3rd world shitholes?

[Anonymous No.8677493]

>>8677098
gb2>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.8677504]

>>8677467
Also just to object with another stupid thing you said:

>evolution will eventually select out genes that are beneficial into forming a society
Actually whichever are the strongest / most powerful people (probably those with the most powerful technology, if we look at history) are the ones that will survive.

[Anonymous No.8677510]

>>8677493
It's a question of science. I didn't ask a political question.

Why are you politicising a question of science? Are you implying that which areas of scientific enquiry we look into should be politically determined? Because I don't. If you think that then you should probably go to the politics board yourself, because it seems that politics is your greatest interest, rather than science.

[Anonymous No.8677530]

>>8677453
Just goes to show that intelligence is not that important. Why is a black man making 200k+ a year while a white man with the same intelligence makes less than 1/10 of that?

[Anonymous No.8677546]

>>8677530
Do you really have to ask?

[Anonymous No.8677566]

>>8677488

> implying intelligence is linked to cooperation and achievements

Do you have any evidence for this ? And please avoid circular reasoning, I can see it coming.

[Anonymous No.8677577]

>>8677467
Another thing I've just thought of:

>if you look at the evolution in western society, the opposite is true, the majority have evolved to be subservient to a few elite
Before this generation of emasculated cucks, I don't think you could call Western men "subservient" in any sense of the term. Men were men, and they bullied and pushed each other out of the way to get to the top.

[Anonymous No.8677591]

>>8677566
If you can't achieve anything with intelligence then what's the point of having it in the first place?

[Anonymous No.8677592]

>>8677546
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/cbc-no-caucasian
How's that victim complex holding up? I'm sure the black woman in charge will let you participate in society one day, just keep fighting on the internet you little social justice warrior.

[Anonymous No.8677594]

>>8677285
>>8677228

Maybe it's less "cold makes you smart" and more "close, consistently contested borders makes you smart". Evolutionary theory would imply that adaptation is developed generally on survival. Dogs in the Arctic would have thicker fur, cows in places like Cuba can stand high heat, and humans constantly having to fight over small spaces and fertile land after the neolithic revolution would develop better ways to do things like kill, eat, grow, fortify, and kill again.

[Anonymous No.8677611]

[Anonymous No.8677618]

>>8677242
Can you explain the racism in your average IQ test, please?

My understanding, again, is that IQ tests test how able someone is to visualize a broader puzzle into connected pieces, figure out the patterns between those pieces, and coming to logical conclusions on the final piece of the puzzle based on the now realized pattern (i.e: 1 , 3 , 5 , _ ). It's supposed to test your ability to solve complex problems, adapt to abstractly-shown (but ultimately simple) concepts, and critically think. How's that racist?

[Anonymous No.8677631]

>>8677611
https://www.gislounge.com/whats-in-a-map/
What a fucking shitty map. Only a brainlet would accept this map as anything but propaganda, are you a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.8677642]

>psychology is derided as nebulous and lacking rigor
>unless its about some high school exam tier IQ tests, those are fuckin' legit

[Anonymous No.8677649]

>>8677566
Yeah sure, the high IQ levels of cultures that are more co-operative. See map here: >>8677340

[Anonymous No.8677662]

>>8677592

How's that defence of the black man holding up? I'm sure he'll let you participate in the society of the future - as long as you give him your 50% of your salary for reparations pay, oh and as long as you let him inseminate your wife because she'd rather go with big athletic black men than a pale, subservient white guy like you.

Of course you'll be raising the half-black child out of your pocket. That will be your new social role. To raise the black man's babies. Do you like cuckoldry per chance? Don't worry, you'll learn to like it.

Just keep fighting on the internet for this brave new world, little social justice warrior. :^)

[Anonymous No.8677663]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#cite_note-scarr2-2

Definite proof does not exist to show genetic racial differences in intelligence, but viewing the world without considering the genetic influence of genetics makes no sense.

No successful, advanced black society has ever existed and no satisfactory explanation for the IQ-gap/ differences in achievement seems to be available. Even if we were to prove black people are genetically equal in intelligence (thank god), it would make no fucking sense how a population that we dump tons of fucking money into continues to kill each other and be largely unemployed/criminalized because frankly, the way the winds have been blowing in society the last few decades I really don't think the ethereal, intangible "privilege" forces cause it.
>>8677530
sound statistical analysis right there

[Anonymous No.8677671]

>>8677631
Applies to >>8677403 and >>8677340 too. The fact these maps are missing crucial elements (source is the major one) means that they're nothing more than propaganda.
t. someone who studied GIS.

[Anonymous No.8677678]

>>8677662
You sound exactly like people screeching about imaginary conspiracies like the patriarchy and white country clubs. Embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.8677692]

>>8677242
But still though, you'd have to be seriously blinkered by politics to still be clinging onto the notion that Africans are as intelligent as other races. I mean just look at literally every place they live in large numbers.

Muh slavery can only account for some of that.

I know there are smart black people and I've met a few but you are literally clinging on.

[Anonymous No.8677696]

>>8677671
That's fair, here's the source
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

[Anonymous No.8677710]

>>8677678

>affirmative action doesn't exist bro!
>anti-white media is a myth! nobody's actually writing articles entitled "white men must be stopped", that's just a conspiracy!
>demographic changes are inevitable - there's no point in trying to oppose it! your vote doesn't matter!
>there's no way that minorities, when they become the majority in america, will gang up on whites! despite the fact that majorities ALWAYS gang up on minorities, in every single part of the world!

[Anonymous No.8677721]

>>8677692
https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE
I've seen this used by /pol/yps several times to argue against immigration, might as well use it to explain why those countries are in such bad shape.

[Anonymous No.8677733]

>>8677710
I've seen people on /pol/ say gas the kikes, race war now. I've seen Breitbart and infowars claim all muslims are terrorists. Therefore we should be concerned for the well being of these people being treated poorly by society wouldn't you say? Or does discrimination only apply to white people?

[Anonymous No.8677736]

The Jews seem to be doing okay since the holocaust. There's been all sorts of horror committed against people and peoples in history. A few generations is usually all it takes for things to get back on their feet.

I think it's more logical to assume for now that black people are less intelligent until some compelling evidence to the contrary comes up.

[Anonymous No.8677777]

>>8677347
Arabs have never contributed shit, it was Indo aryan whites that lived in the caliphate before they got genetically destroyed with inferior arab blood

[Anonymous No.8677804]

>>8677777
Hepto-pentos!!!11

[Anonymous No.8677806]

>>8677777
very impressive

[Anonymous No.8677818]

>>8677721
even if that accounted for problems in other countries (which I doubt) it still wouldn't explain racial disparities within America

[Anonymous No.8677824]

>>8677314
this is correct

[Anonymous No.8677831]

>>8677314
fucking link it if you have it jesus

[Anonymous No.8677837]

>>8677818
It does explain why Canada's smarter than the states. More accepting of immigration means smarter immigrants

[Anonymous No.8677855]

>>8677242
>Also IQ and other tests have proven time and again to have bias and to be inaccurate measures of intelligence. When you stack the cards in a racist manner of course they're going to have a racist outcome.
Stop it. IQ tests don't ask what a parlormaid is; there's no cultural or language barrier to IQ tests. They're not an objective measure of intelligence, but intelligence has no objective definition, either. IQ tests are reasonable measures of intelligence for certain purposes, and correlate well with other measures of intelligence for similar purposes. Just because the distribution of IQ scores for certain demographics aren't the same doesn't mean people are going to commit genocide based on this information, so stop claiming that everything is racist and trying to explain away disparity in terms of social factors.

[Anonymous No.8677867]

>>8677733
>I've seen people on /pol/ say gas the kikes, race war now
I've seen leftists say kill all white people, what's your point exactly?
>I've seen Breitbart and infowars claim all muslims are terrorists.
No you haven't, so give me your source, because I'm confident that neither have ever claimed that *all* Muslims are terrorists. You're an idiot.
>Therefore we should be concerned for the well being of these people being treated poorly by society wouldn't you say?
But when it's whites you just want to kick them to the curb, blame them for literally fucking EVERYTHING, and tell them they're not even allowed to make their own voting decision by voting Trump, because "ermahgerd he's so sexist/racist, you can't vote for him!"? How dare they! How dare they vote for their own interests! How dare they not roll over and die and let latinos and black inherit the country! How dare they!

[Anonymous No.8677898]

>>8677831
some one above us is literally equating down syndrome where there is an entire extra chromosome to the small allele difference between populations.

This is pointless to argue with someone who doesn't want to look up or believe in basic facts, because their arguments are mostly coming from their emotions.

[Anonymous No.8677906]

>>8677733
>Therefore we should be concerned for the well being of these people being treated poorly by society wouldn't you say?

What an horrendously stupid idea. It is not the role of any society to care for all the people of the world, never mind those that are its avowed enemy, as are the Muslims, which happen to be enemies of all non Muslim societies, as their "holy" book makes clear.

(Pro-tip: tribalist moralities are okay)

[Anonymous No.8677937]

>>8677733

No you haven't. You've seen reasonable and rational people say that not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.

If you don't consider 499/500 all, you're right. But dopey.

[Anonymous No.8678166]

>>8677098
I guess that is why Malays in Singapore score as high as Japan in math and as high in science as the Flemish while Malaysia scores similar to Latvia

[Anonymous No.8678175]

>>8677098
Yes but no one wants to admit it because they think the reaction will be genocide.

[Anonymous No.8678187]

>"""cultural differences"""
you're not even helping these people by engaging in such denialism

[Anonymous No.8678196]

>>8677098

[Anonymous No.8678198]

>>8677663
> successful, advanced black society

Was Mali not advanced? Was Ethiopia not advanced? Were Songhai, Sokoto, and Ghana not advanced? Why should these societies even conform to your odd standards of advancement, anyways? What matters is that the created societies in which they survived and thrive.

[Anonymous No.8678207]

>tfw /sci/ is so against racial intelligence I can't tell if it's because theory of racial intelligence is genuinely bunk or because /sci/ has a normalfag anti-genetic intelligence bias
>tfw /pol/ is obviously biased but seems more trustworthy somehow
Can someone explain this phenomenon?

[Anonymous No.8678214]

>>8677098

[Anonymous No.8678215]

>>8678198
yes but it is not a way for IQ-centric templates like the industrial world. IQ predicts outcomes just as well in developing Africa, and they typically volunteer to get poached by foreign countries.

[Anonymous No.8678220]

>>8678214

[Anonymous No.8678225]

>>8678196
U.S. Blacks have retard DNA. Bermuda blacks have non-retard DNA. DNA matters in intelligence. If it didn't we'd have earthworms flying to the Moon.

[Anonymous No.8678226]

>>8678220

[Anonymous No.8678229]

it appears obvious to me that the answer is nutrition

[Anonymous No.8678230]

>>8678207
Because this is the single issue /pol/ is correct on.
Disregarding meme tier asians are uncreative, every black person is bad arguments.

[Anonymous No.8678236]

>>8678175

As a black person intelligent enough to find moderate success in a traditionally "hard" STEM field, I would probably say that racial differences in intelligence (at least among racial groups in the US) caused by non-cultural, non-economic factors are negligible if they exist at all.

You quite literally have no clue of how severely toxic modern African American culture is (namely that among young people); if you haven't been forced to participate, you can't know more than what you see (and what you would experience is, in fact, much worse than what you see). As somebody who still participates from time to time by nature of being black and having black family in predominately black areas of the US, I constantly have to fight notions of being "corny" or an "Uncle Tom" because I opt for a STEM career over something flashy, illegal, or obnoxious.

It takes character traits beyond intelligence to even start to rise out of the muck that is culture among the common denominator of black people today. Before we start trying to make policy motivated by some 5-8-point IQ gap between whites and blacks in the US, I suggest working to rid black youths of the degenerate culture that ultimately ruins them. This culture runs so deep and is advertised so vehemently that even blacks raised by white people are constantly affected by the ridiculous definitions of "blackness" that they're forced to swallow.

[Anonymous No.8678239]

>>8678226

[Anonymous No.8678245]

>>8678239

[Anonymous No.8678248]

>>8678245

[Anonymous No.8678253]

>>8678236
There's more to it than that even. Drugs definitely lower cognitive ability. Depression definitely lowers cognitive ability. Mental illness runs rampant in African-American communities untreated, and that certainly does not help. The culture, I think, has little to do with it, and is more of an expression of underlying phenomena than an actual "mover" in and of itself. Not to mention the very real stereotype threat.

This explains the disparities between rich blacks and rich whites as well. Mental illness doesn't just disappear when you amass wealth, especially when so many of us end up getting rich off of music or sports. Drug use doesn't just cease. So the disparities are very believable.

[Anonymous No.8678274]

>>8677098
I guess that is why UAE, Non-Hispanic African Americans, Australian Aboriginals, Romania and Uruguay scored similar in PISA 2015

[Anonymous No.8678286]

>>8678253

Drugs and mental illness certainly are a factor, but, again, as somebody exposed to it, it all relates back to the cultural perception of drugs and mental illness. (Namely that drugs are glorified and mental illness is played off.)

Also, the disparity between blacks who made money from sports and others at similar income brackets only reiterates the problems of the culture. The culture encourages the pursuit of money, but it doesn't encourage genuinely constructive pursuits. I'm sure you've heard this before, but, while money may remove the person's body from the ghetto, the mind may remain.

[Anonymous No.8678292]

>>8678286
>but, again, as somebody exposed to it

Please, I'm very familiar with it.

It's not provable either way, but I strongly believe that the culture follows what's actually happening in the communities, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.8678295]

>>8678292

>I'm familiar with it

No offense intended, but have you actually lived within it? Have you had the experience of being intimately tied to it?

[Anonymous No.8678296]

>>8677098
>Mental illness runs rampant in African-American communities untreated
Baseless

[Anonymous No.8678305]

>>8678295
It's affected my life in a non-trivial way and I'll leave it at that.

>>8678296
There's a huge cultural stigma against mental illness in black communities, in my experience moreso than in other communities. Many of my family members have undiagnosed issues and whatnot because they don't think anything is wrong or they won't acknowledge it.

[Anonymous No.8678312]

>>8678305

>it's affected my life in a non-trivial way
>many of my family members

So I take it you're at least to some extent black? Or, perhaps, you were raised by black people?

How do you feel about this? Do you suffer from that stereotype threat that you mentioned?

[Anonymous No.8678325]

>>8678312

>So I take it you're at least to some extent black? Or, perhaps, you were raised by black people?

Yes and yes, I'm black and my family is black.

The stereotype threat for me is huge. This site definitely doesn't help at all. It's hurt my previous school performance and will continue too. The levels of anxiety I get taking tests and working in classes just adds on to my already existing anxiety disorders, making me a shaking mess. I still do well enough most of the time. But my mental health is ruined, and the "blacks aren't smart lol" meme definitely has played a significant role in that. Especially knowing that with my IQ I'm technically "smarter" than most of my white peers, or at least should be.

[Anonymous No.8678332]

>>8678325
>niggers are so dumb they can't even understand that they're smarter than white people

you stupid genius

[Anonymous No.8678337]

>>8678332
kek

But really. The stereotype threat is real. You want to see black people perform better on IQ tests? The first step is really to stop talking about it as though blacks are dumber than whites. Get rid of the cultural item and I really honestly believe scores would rise by a non-trivial amount.

[Anonymous No.8678354]

>>8678337
these are known as raven's progressive matrices. and the demographic disparity increases. Cultural bias is in their favor as blacks perform better in the verbal sections which over-measure for all test-takers.

[Anonymous No.8678355]

>>8678337
There are two forces that are going to keep the "low IQ blacks" meme from ever going away.

One, racists. Two, people who just really strongly value intellectual honesty and are hostile to the very concept of data being hidden away or hushed up for political reasons, whatever they may be. Personally, I tend to agree with that second group. Even if it would benefit the world to ignore IQ tests, does the end justify the means? I agree it's probably entirely cultural, or almost entirely. But the reality of lower IQs shouldn't just be covered up, even though it's just the result of anti-intellectualism and low self-esteem in the black community

[Anonymous No.8678360]

>>8678325

I'm just curious, but what do you study? (Also, where do you study?)

As a black person, it's rare for me to find another black person who also studies in a STEM field. (I'm currently the single black person in my field+focus combination in both the undergraduate and graduate body of students at my school...)

[Anonymous No.8678374]

>>8678360
>As a black person, it's rare for me to find another black person who also studies in a STEM field. (I'm currently the single black person in my field+focus combination in both the undergraduate and graduate body of students at my school...)
I live in a 99% white slavic country and yet I still see like 5 black people hanging around the campus 95% of the degrees are STEM related.

[Anonymous No.8678383]

>>8678360
not the guy you're replying to, but i did my undergrad and grad degrees in engineering. the only non-retarded blacks i met in undergrad were black women, and the only black in grad school was a single black girl.

the girls always spoke in normal, plain english, and dressed normally. the few guys that i saw in undergrad dressed and acted how you would expect them to. as an undergrad i didn't care for them, but when i was in grad school and i was a TA it became painfully obvious that not only they shouldn't have been admitted into the program, but the only reason they weren't kicked out is because they are black and help boost the program's "diversity." also, while i was a TA one of the black girls was my favorite student. she always worked hard, didn't bother anybody, and when i was explaining something she paid attention and kept her eyes fixed on me instead of glazing over and drifting off like many of the undergrad shitheads.

[Anonymous No.8678394]

Threads like this always just present test results - nothing wrong with that
However it seems that the how and why those results came to be is just handwaved to be some form of "dem niggers be dum" or " the uncreative chinks cheated"

[Anonymous No.8678419]

>>8677098

[Anonymous No.8678437]

>>8678374

Oh, wow, that's a ways off. I'm in the US.

>>8678383

That's interesting. Did you attend an elite school? My school is top-5 in the US; I've noticed maybe 1-4 black people (other than myself) studying in my area. I've personally been in the top 1% of my class as both an undergraduate and graduate student, so, aside from general impostor syndrome, I can't really relate to the experience of not actually being able to keep up with the work.

[Anonymous No.8678453]

>>8677213
Retards aren't "less intelligent", they're subhumans plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.8678463]

>>8677098

He's partially right but the problem is economics (a field in which he is not proficient in) has in the majority of cases played out on uneven terms in all forms for thousands of years. Entire theories and models have been built on how different parties have/should react to this.

So unless he wants to get into a much bigger argument that would require him to cross over into multiple different fields outside his expertise it would've been wise for him to think about his comments before he goes public like that.

Not saying he shouldn't have an opinion but now he's crossing into armchair scientist (or economist in this instance) territory where even if you ignore the racial aspect of it he would have gotten (and really SHOULD have gotten) lambasted by economists and business people for implying they should limit their infrastructure and markets to some capacity because of """differences""".

>>8678236

>You quite literally have no clue of how severely toxic modern African American culture is (namely that among young people)

Not him but it's only toxic because African American culture has effectively fetishized the few successful niches that have created high amounts of success for itself within American/Western culture. This isn't new and has transpired in other cultures and populations, the unfortunately reality is that the natural resolution to such matters requires that ultimately a given percentage of the masses dying before it's introspectively and extrospectively address by people being effected by it in question.

Which luckily is happening right now, the fact that black crime and black on black violence has even made it to such a large sphere of public attention is accomplishment. Because it wasn't that long ago where the general public couldn't give a rat's ass over such a topic. Now they do and now something can actually be done about it.

[Anonymous No.8678503]

>>8677340
>So how can anybody be confident that such intelligence-determining genes, numerous in number, are EXACTLY THE SAME across all population groups in the entire world?

Two smart people of different races produce a smart person either way. Two dumb people of two different races produce a stupid person.
Basically race mixing. "Human biodiversity" is small and genetic differences are very small.

[Anonymous No.8678763]

>>8677098
Holy Christ the mental gymnastics going on here.
Yes they are. It's. that. simple.

[Anonymous No.8678883]

>>8678305
Blacks in america are much less likely to commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.8679333]

>>8677618
Puzzle/Pattern recog is based largely on the types of problems you would encounter in day to day life. A student that does nothing but practice pattern recog all day at a top tier school will outperform a poor person with subpar nutrition that's never cracked open a book or been given instruction. Obviously the patterns you know and can apply for solving then is dependent on the cirriculum you learn, experiences with application in the real world, and how efficient your teachers and parents are at sharing information.

A better raw test between races would test adults over 25 with fully developed brains across countries who have never stepped foot in a school and testing to see who can learn and apply never before seen patterns faster and correctly.

[Anonymous No.8679367]

>>8677098
Races aren't real according to modern genetics. Races are only real as a social thing (like high school cliques).

[Anonymous No.8679370]

>>8678883
>>8678883
That'd because of the stigma against mental illness combined with tight knit family units that can often be fatherless. Many blacks are encouraged as children by their parent(s) to cover up their flaws and keep moving, and blame others when their flaws are apparent. Anyone who's been to a public school can tell you starting in elementary school that there's a good amount of black people that should probably be in special ed classes for anger issues, schizo tendencies, etc. but what usually happens is their mom refuses to allow them to be treated properly because they think their kids are being unfairly singled out instead of helped. Or that someone is implying that because they're black they're dumb and need to be in special ed. Lo and behold when standardized testing rolls around, and the legitimate retards are getting tested alongside normal black kids, they drag the raw averages way down because they aren't marked as special needs.

Outside of tard issues, you won't find blacks committing suicide at the same rate as whites because of the missing father figures. Males feel a greater obligation to their families not to commit suicide, because they need to be the men of the house and support mom. So instead of offing themselves, they bottle up that hate, and use it as fuel. Some use it to become good athletes. Others go down the wrong path either out of necessity or pure psychopathy, and turn to gang banging and robbing people.

Then you have dumbasses who have everything they could ever want living in the suburbs seeing hood life glorified in the media and going right back into the hellhole their parents worked hard to climb out of. The entire situation is fucked up from the floor up.

[Anonymous No.8679394]

>>8679333
>A better raw test between races would test adults over 25 with fully developed brains across countries who have never stepped foot in a school and testing to see who can learn and apply never before seen patterns faster and correctly.
And what happens when someone does that and, surprise surprise, the races who performed poorly in past tests also perform badly in this?

You know as well as I do that that won't be the end of it. People will still cling to their politically correct dogma like religion.

[Anonymous No.8679402]

>>8679394
even with the current data and assuming the gap is entirely 100 genetic, being a racist makes no sense
curves have substantial overlap and you will find smart people in all the races as well as dumb ones
basically it's you who wants to find things in the science that aren't there

[Anonymous No.8679403]

>>8679394
What happens when this happens and we find that there is no meaningful gap?

[Anonymous No.8679409]

>>8679402
>being a racist
Yeah stop with these weaponised buzzwords. You're the ones crying about discrimination because there aren't as many black software engineers as other races.

Maybe there's a reason for that that doesn't involve blaming whitey.

>>8679403
Either way it's worth finding out so we can address the social problems, once and for all.

[Anonymous No.8679414]

>>8679409
>You're the ones crying about discrimination
im a single person and i dont care about discrimination
i hope you dont cry about pajeet and chinks taking away "your" jobs though, they deserve those and are smarter on average

[Anonymous No.8679436]

>>8679367
Did you hear that on buzzfeed retard?

[Anonymous No.8679439]

>>8679414
Many pajeets are getting jobs because they're cheaper, not smarter.

[Anonymous No.8679455]

>>8679439
>they're cheaper
source
also even if i accept they are cheaper

Indian diaspora is measurably smarter than the native populace in western countries. It's probably an even worse gap in america since it's harder to move there.

facts are facts

[Anonymous No.8679462]

>>8679414
It doesn't matter if they're smarter, you should always desire to protect your own group.

[Anonymous No.8679469]

>>8679462
affirmative action tier reasoning

[Anonymous No.8679653]

>>8679469
That is identity politics reasoning. Affirmative action logic is about advantages for all besides the majority. Even in India they have institutional quotas for lower castes.

[Anonymous No.8679689]

>>8677480
The undertones were in relation to the almost constant threads of people questioning phenotypic behaviour, I'm making he assumption that people are trying to justify their racsim, statement of the facts is fine, but to correlate it and purport it as certainty has conformational bias towards previously held racism

[Anonymous No.8679692]

>>8677577
1950's romanticism

[Anonymous No.8679697]

>>8677504
If you consider competing cultures, ones that cooperate intrinsically, will outcompeted the othet

[Anonymous No.8679702]

>>8679462
Why?
We should protect those that increase the fitness of our entire group, not some superficial subgroup.

[Anonymous No.8679705]

>>8679702
It's not that they should, cooperative societies outcompete others

[Anonymous No.8679798]

>>8677098
Do we HAVE to have this thread every single day?

[Anonymous No.8679921]

>>8679705
Wrong. The most successful countries are the most homogenous ones. As more minorities are introduced, every meaningful measurement of a society gets worse. Crime goes up, productivity goes down, quality of life goes down, poverty goes up, welfare dependency goes up, etc. In order to remain competitive, we need to maintain the homogeny of the population.

[Anonymous No.8679936]

>>8679798
We have two today, yay!

[Anonymous No.8679959]

>>8677098
Definitely not. At least not by any biological mechanism. The fact is that the premise of the question itself is flawed. There are no actual 'different races' in humans, only different ethnicities and cultures. Biologically, the difference between the blackest black man and the whitest white man is the same as the difference between a white guy who is 7 feet tall, has a huge nose with brown eyes and a white woman who is 4 foot 11 and has a tiny nose and green eyes. In fact, the differences between the two white people may even be greater for all we know.

So if there is an intelligence difference between the 'races' it would not be based on biology but culture.

[Anonymous No.8679975]

I think it's interesting that the so-called "race realists" on 4chan tend to fixate on the white-black IQ gap instead of the Asian-White gap or the Ashkenazi-White gap. How impartial and level-headed of them.

I wonder why that is.

It really makes me think.....

[Anonymous No.8680154]

>>8679975
>Asian-White gap
Asians are cheaters, not to mention they horribly lack creativity
>Ashkenazi-White gap
Ashkenazi are white, except they follow (((judaism)))

[Anonymous No.8680180]

>>8680154
>Ashkenazi are white, except they follow (((judaism)))

Yeah, yeah, technically that is true but lets go back to the real world. Not your fantasy land. What really binds jews is that for thousands of years they have been literally breeding within themselves exclusively. And remember, very few people convert to judaism.

This means that by now they must be slightly different from the general white population, who have bred with whites of different backgrounds, blacks, asians, etc.

Why are you afraid? I want to know, how have Ashkenazi changed by breeding only with themselves? Are they smarter or dumber?

You should also care about that, if you were a scientist.

[Anonymous No.8680186]

>>8677098

it's most glaringly obvious with the blacks, but it's probably true about everyone else as well. not that i believe raw intelligence is the most important thing in the world.

[Anonymous No.8680210]

What happens when you separate intelligent whites from dumb whites.

[Anonymous No.8680216]

>>8680180
>Yeah, yeah, technically that is true but lets go back to the real world. Not your fantasy land. What really binds jews is that for thousands of years they have been literally breeding within themselves exclusively. And remember, very few people convert to judaism.
Ashkenazi are literally converts from not even a millennium ago.

[Anonymous No.8680232]

>>8680216
Citation needed.

[Anonymous No.8680235]

Just remember its a very small percentage of the population responsible for the modern technology. Most whites aren't any more intelligent than people from any other race, every race has genius level outliers and evolution is an ongoing process.

[Anonymous No.8680239]

>>8680232
>>8680232
None of the information on this thread can be confirmed independently by any of you

[Anonymous No.8680263]

>>8680154
>Asians are cheaters
"Da white man is keepin' us down with his dirty tricks. They can afford tutoring and have nicer school districts which is why they test better! Da white man ain't got no soul. He can't dance or make good music. He's not creative like us black folk!"

That's you. That's what you sound like. Hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.8680442]

>>8680210
They claim you're doing racial divide and conquer. It's the battle cry of every uneducated person, peasant, and trailer trash who has to cling on to the laurels of people who they aren't even remotely closely related to.
It's funny, because in America a random black person is probably more closely related to someone like a Thomas Jefferson, Isaac Newton, or Napoleon Bonaparte because typically only higher class citizens and relatives could even afford slaves and they typically never married out of class for generations. So the only white people related to notable people like that would know it for damn sure because they'd be in an old money family. Black people on the other hand got shipped all around and as a result have around 20-40% European mixture which is typically all from upper class whites who were actually related to nobles, scientists, explorers and inventors.

So odds are the random hick trying to make a claim on something as a racial achievement has less right to that claim than an american black person does genetically speaking

All this talk about genetics and race completely backfires when you realize most people are just varying degrees of mutts. The most sound thing we could probably discuss is haplogroups, but even then it's all mixed up and the findings dont necessarily line up with what we socially consider race to be.

[Anonymous No.8680445]

>>8680442

oh, that makes a lot of sense. (not really)

[Anonymous No.8680457]

>>8678236
>You quite literally have no clue of how severely toxic modern African American culture is
I've never understood why there isn't more uproar over how the media (especially the music industry) glorify "hood" culture. These people are essentially role models to black kids.

I've seen enough white trash kids swaggering around the streets, reciting obscene raps, etc, so people definitely are being negatively influenced by this.

I'd imagine that for black kids it's even more likely they'd identify with it just because they saw it on the TV/heard it on the radio.

[Anonymous No.8680461]

>>8679455
>facts are facts
>>8679439
>>8679414
That's fair enough. It doesn't bother me. Facts are indeed facts.

I wonder how much it has to do with having more stable families and present fathers.

[Anonymous No.8680463]

>>8680445
A mixed child is more related to its white grandparent than you are as a random white person to that grandparent. The only way you'd be more related is if you are also a descendant of that person but you have a nonshared parent to the mixed child that is close genetically to the grandparent than the mixed child's parent. Given Europe's historical class segregation which carried over into the new world and expanded as the economies grew, it's probably true that you as a random white person are probably further away genetically from a given person who did something noteworthy in history than a black person is, who may be a direct descendant of that person, or a descendant of a close relative of that person. Unless you are old money, have roots in old money or have relatives who were in fact the history makers, you're probably not anywhere near them on the genetic family tree as your ancestors branched off and had been constrained among farm folk and peasants for the last couple centuries, while American blacks are pretty much all mixed with genetic info belonging to the people would have actually been rich enough to own slaves.

[Anonymous No.8680469]

>>8680463

you're gonna speculate yourself to death. just say "we wuz kangs", it's faster that way.

[Anonymous No.8680476]

>>8680469
Damn son, no need to get your panties twisted.

[Anonymous No.8680491]

There are obviously net variations in IQ among racial groups.

The fact this causes such a shit-storm demonstrates the merit to the claim.

[Anonymous No.8680514]

>>8680491
The earth is obviously flat. The fact that it causes such a shitstorm demonstrates merit to the claim.