Aliens

[Anonymous No.8664097]

Do they have even a 10% chance of being out there /sci/?

As things stand do you think it would benefit the earth if we did make contact?

[Anonymous No.8664140]

>>8664097
100% chance given the size of our galaxy, yet alone the universe.

No, we aren't ready for contact. Not until we colonize Alpha Centauri.

[Anonymous No.8664216]

>>8664140
What about Mars?

[Anonymous No.8665174]

>>8664216
We had the tech to colonize Mars since the late 1970's.

[Anonymous No.8665262]

>>8665174
How?
Srs question

[Anonymous No.8665451]

>>8665262

>put people and stuff on rocket
>point in the correct direction and engage rocket engines

[Anonymous No.8665482]

>>8664097
There is zero data, so assigning even a rough probability is not possible -- any number anbody quotes at you on this is pulling a number out of his ass, or is quoting someone who pulled it out of their ass.

>benefit

Assuming they had tech superiority, the track record of savages meeting advanced cultures is not encouraging.

[Anonymous No.8665484]

>>8664216
The rock crabs look like they'd be good with drawn space-butter.

[Anonymous No.8665598]

The aliens don't want to make themselves known because they don't want to be forced to accept Muslim immigration.

[Anonymous No.8666128]

Of course they've always been here. The Blue Avians are an inspiring start.

[Anonymous No.8666234]

>>8665451
Nigger I'm talking long term. Will people permanently live under domes? What about the atmosphere? We need oxygen too

[Anonymous No.8667118]

>>8666234

Domes or underground of course. People already live in commie blocks all around the world so it'll be more or less the same just bigger and with more facilities built in, besides, not being able to go out without suits of course.
As for oxygen, that one's easy as long as you've got electricity and access to ice.
Essentially the only places really not suitable for colonization are venus and mercury imo. Inner solar system is hell, the outer is just far away and needs fission for energy source.

[Anonymous No.8667126]

>>8665262
Nuclear Thermal Rockets.

Superheat literally any liquid or gas past a nuclear reactor. You can use hydrogen, methane, water, even kerosene.

but nuclear is scary to faggots

[Anonymous No.8667195]

>>8667126

>nuclear in space

Are you crazy? Do you even know how dangerous nuclear pollution is? You'd irradiate everything around the earth with that stuff and doom future generations because of short term gain. Not to mention what happens if it explodes and the millions that will die because of that.
#antinuclear
#worldpeace

[Anonymous No.8667254]

>>8664097
>implying we never made contact
how can you be proud of using the scientific method and not be skeptic about the possibility that ((they)) don't want the public to know. We are probably being unslaved right now.

[Anonymous No.8667261]

>>8665598

[Anonymous No.8667268]

I read a sci-fi story about a liquid helium life-form on Pluto. I think it was Asimov.

Humans are just water with impurities right?

[Anonymous No.8667277]

>>8664140
>100% chance given the size of our galaxy, yet alone the universe.
This is brainlet reasoning.

[Anonymous No.8667309]

>>8664097
I think if there were aliens (other world aliens, not immigrant aliens), they would be as desperate for contact as we are; broadcasting our location without thinking we could be attracting a dominant race to enslave us (because they're also as f'd up as our uncivilized, mostly ignorant society of common-senseless people).

[Anonymous No.8667425]

>>8664097

this is what happens when you meet an alien: >>>/gif/10074727

[Anonymous No.8667467]

>Year 3012
>on planet Shraz
>driving anti-gravity transporter into Dome 11
>try to enter, plan on going to the super market there
>path blocked by a group of protestors
>they used Space Dye to tint their visors green and pink
>helmet piercings to stretch out their transmitters
>they stomp their feet, shouting "Grey lives matter!"
>sigh
>remember the galactic police blasting that occured when a Grey Alien tried to assault an officer and he was shot by his blaster
>try to find an alternative way around
>begin seeing molded space bacteria on buildings
>oh shit
>begin to see less humans and more Greys
>Aliens with wearing helmets with their visors up
>stupid aliens why wear the helmet if they aren't outside the dome
>sag their jetpacks down to their tailbone
>continue to speed up, almost out of the bad territory
>have to slow down at a redlight
>Grey walks up to my window
>"Ticki gronk rooorp. Lemi niccin boah?"
>wtf stupid Grey speaking his gibberish version of English, fuck off
>speed away
>minutes later and finally at the supermarket
>stupid fucking Greys, should have kept them enslaved like back in 2860.

[Anonymous No.8668414]

>>8664097
Benefit?
If we encounter aliens they would very likely be technologicaly superior. Thousands of years superior.
Ergo, what ever they want, they get.
So its like rolling dice. Maybe they want pets? Will probably be cool aka survivable. Maybe they want a lifeless universe? Not so cool.

[Anonymous No.8668422]

they are out there
they have never come even close to earth

[Anonymous No.8669561]

>>8665482
>zero data
haven't there been signs of at least the precursors of life on other planets (water on mars, etc)?

>the track record of savages meeting advanced cultures is not encouraging.
except in those cases, what you call "advanced cultures" were still merely murderous savages with boats and guns.

interstellar travel is orders of magnitude beyond sea travel. it could very well be that having a truly civilized, benevolent society is a prerequisite to marshaling the resources/labor needed to develop it.

[Anonymous No.8670612]

>>8667195
leftie fag detected

[Anonymous No.8671423]

>>8667118
But there isn't as much ice on Mars so oxygen will be a problem.

>>8667126
Not talking about how to get there but how to maintain living there.

Good answers though, thanks.

[Anonymous No.8671533]

>>8667126
>Never microwaved his ballsack.
>Doesn't understand rational fear.

[Anonymous No.8671863]

>>8667126
>not using NSWR
>not using them in atmosphere because i dont give a fuck

[Anonymous No.8671880]

>>8664140
>100% chance
Where's the proof?

[Anonymous No.8672408]

>>8664097
the chance can only be defined as "null", there is no chance for there to be and there is no chance for there not to be. Their benefit would entirely depend on their actions and our own. Which are very unpredictable as our actions would scale to theirs and we have no idea (not even a single little value) as to what they would be like.

We only have our own planet for reference and we can't even assume a planet identical to ours would habour the same life as we have no evidence at all that it would.

[Anonymous No.8672690]

>>8664097
100% ,we are part alien.

[Anonymous No.8672729]

>>8667277
I mean, as a frequentist, Id say the probability is many orders of magnitude above 1.0

[Anonymous No.8672744]

>>8667309

Why would an advanced space-faring civilization need or want slaves? Their robotics will likely be very advanced. Even in our own civilization we see a steady advancement of automation and a gradual decrease in the need for labor.

No reason to bother enslaving a bunch of murderous apes who will plot against you every chance they get in order to do stuff you can just have your robots do. Humans have to be fed, looked after, provided with some entertainment, their reproduction has to be regulated, etc etc.

As to the earth itself, there is nothing here that can't be found much more simply in space, places like moons and asteroid belts that have no native population of clever murderers. An advanced space-faring race would find it much simpler just to get what they need from there.

If they're out there and near to us, I would expect them to be keeping an eye on us to make sure we don't become dangerous and sneak up on them, but not more than that.

[Anonymous No.8672756]

>>8672744
the number one reason for slaves throughout history is sex

[Anonymous No.8672884]

>>8667309
>>8672744
Who the fuck knows what kind or moral code and set of ethics a highly advanced civilization that lives on another planet has.
What if they wanted to keep us as exotic pets or worse use us as lab rats to see what makes us tick.
They could be very desperate for resources.

imo Saying "here we are" to the galaxy is a very bad idea if the small fraction of a percentage of a chance someone hears it comes true there's a high chance they wont be inviting us into some fucking peace treaty.

[Anonymous No.8673427]

>>8671880
>6

[Anonymous No.8673611]

>>8664097
They have a 50% chance.
Either they're there or they're not

[Anonymous No.8673769]

>>8664097
Its a 50-50; they either are there or aren't

[Anonymous No.8673943]

>>8665598

underrated post

[Anonymous No.8674346]

>>8664097

Alien life almost certainly exists. Given the size of the universe, the idea that Earth is the only planet that ever had or ever will have life is mind bogglingly unlikely.

The problem is it is much more likely that we will never have any evidence whatsoever that aliens are a thing, even if they are.

The distance is too vast, and you have to account for time as well as space. If we find a planet where aliens have evolved, we are much more likely to find a planet of space animals or a dead world littered with ruins than we are to find someone in that happy middle ground where they are at a technological level similar to us. Too soon and they can't talk, too late and everyone is dead.

The cycle of galactic 'civilization' is discovering the tombstones of the great races that came before you, and eventually leaving one of your own for future travelers to find and wonder at. Assuming you ever make it that far in the first place.

[Anonymous No.8674354]

>>8674346

We're all gonna make it brah.

[Anonymous No.8674391]

>>8667118
yeah, but every now and then things break and dont go as planned. so when something like this happens on earth, that means you dont have electricity for a couple of hours. when something like this on mars happens, it means no oxygen for a couple of hours. i find it incredibely naive that people think you can live on mars in a way that is even remotely similar to life on earth.

[Anonymous No.8674424]

>>8665598

Does this mean only Trump know about their existence?

[Anonymous No.8674431]

Chances are we're the only civilization in our observable universe.

[Anonymous No.8674450]

>>8672756

based

[Cuckmuffin No.8674454]

To assume in our infinite universe that aliens do not exist is ridiculous, as proof niggers are aliens

[Anonymous No.8674532]

>>8664097
100%

Also, even if THEY contacted US, do you really think that would make headlines and be plastered on every website and magazine? They'd likely be more advanced than us, assuming they advance(ed) at a comparable speed to us. The time-frame of technological levels between ours and having any technology to contact us with, should take up a very slim portion of a species existence, so probability of encountering one within this time of their existence is slim. (if they were less advanced, they probably wouldn't even know we exist) They'd likely be more advanced so have more advanced ways to extract energy, build things, produce things, travel, govern ect. which could cause big, powerful businesses and social-political systems of ours to collapse from the general public "throwing a fit" over not having what those aliens have.

[Anonymous No.8675115]

>>8664097
Given the fact life exists here it seems probable that life exists elsewhere but that doesn't mean it is intelligent, or multi cellular or even recognizable as living by us and chances are high we will never encounter it.

[Anonymous No.8675121]

>>8667467
Dying XD

[Anonymous No.8675189]

>>8669561
>precursors of life on other planets (water on mars, etc)?
There is no evidence that water is relevant to life at all. We cannot view the universe from a single tiny personal frame of reference. For all we know it is only relevant to life on Earth. It seems like it would be relevant elsewhere but the point is that we have no evidence at all so we don't know whether or not it is.

>merely murderous savages with boats and guns.
not really, that's a naive and narrow view. Literally no one outright murdered a population or stole their shit. It was complicated mixtures of economy, power projection, central politics and religion. Did you know that Native North American tribes (at this point they were all equipped with firearms) use to play French and British powers off of each other to maintain power in their regions. It's only when France withdrew due to external reasons that Britain then actually subjugated said native tribes and that was more of a side effect of colonist wanting land, not a specific vendetta or desire against them.

[Anonymous No.8675396]

>>8666234
The Martian atmosphere is about 4% oxygen. You could easily isolate and farm it.

[Anonymous No.8675643]

>>8673427
>The drake equation mmeans something
>>/x/

[Anonymous No.8675840]

>>8675396
>The Martian atmosphere is about 4% oxygen.
It's not, it's actually about 0.15% oxygen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars

Depending on your available resources, splitting oxygen from either CO2 or ice would probably be the best bet for survival on Mars.

[Anonymous No.8675943]

>>8675189
>There is no evidence that water is relevant to life at all. We cannot view the universe from a single tiny personal frame of reference. For all we know it is only relevant to life on Earth. It seems like it would be relevant elsewhere but the point is that we have no evidence at all so we don't know whether or not it is.

N=1 true. Small sample size, but there are plenty of reasons from the realm of chemistry for why water is required. (hydrogen donor for lots of reactions, can readily dissolve molecules into solution, thermal modulator for reactions and for climate)

[Anonymous No.8675988]

>>8674431
>only earth has life

really

[Anonymous No.8677229]

>>8672690
>cats are aleins?

[Anonymous No.8677388]

i dont really get the "super high advanced aliens" thing. sure maybe they have better materials, machines, AI. but how do they beat the speed of light, entropy, time? there is like a wall in the universe and its probably closer than we might think

[Anonymous No.8677394]

>>8670612
This is double bait right?

[Anonymous No.8677398]

>>8675643
Fuck off to caveman /sci/ then. You live in a world where the EMdrive works and Trump is president. Smell the fucking roses.

[Anonymous No.8677440]

>>8677398
EMdrive was that the particle smasher they were working on in Texas?

[Anonymous No.8677483]

Given the size of the observable universe, it's more likely that life exists somewhere out there than that it doesn't. If we are found by alien life more advanced then us, they will probably either help us, use us for experiments and as workers of some kind, or leave us alone. It's also possible, however, that when we first encounter alien life, we will be the more advanced species, and we will be the ones finding them. We will either benefit or not be effected by this, because we will be calling the shots due to having superior weapons and technology.

[Anonymous No.8677486]

>>8664097
seeing as how humans have already bassically creafted artifical life, there is a slim chance of them not existing at all.

think about it. life began in a little pool of water here on earth with billions of microscopic entities, so just imagine the universe is like that too and there are bound to be tons of other galaxies that house life

[Anonymous No.8677639]

>>8677229
have you ever looked at a cat?

>triple eyelid
>slit pupil
>spikes growing out of tongue
>back legs have two "knee" joints instead of one
>retractable razor claws
>ears are fully movable on a swivel mount

i think they're at least some sort mammal/alien hybrid

[Anonymous No.8678270]

>>8677486

"AI" NANI SORA!?

[Anonymous No.8678314]

>>8677639
>>back legs have two "knee" joints instead of one

Wrongo, friend.
Cats, like all the other digitigrade and unguligrade mammals like horses, giraffes, dogs, pigs, etc., walk on what in human anatomy is the balls of the feet or the tip of the toe, their ankle is well clear of the ground and acts/looks like a backwards-facing second knee -- but it's the same ankle joint we have.

We're actually the ones that are odd-man-out on leg structure; other than primates and bears, I can't think of any other plantigrade mammals that walk flat-footed with the ankle down at ground level.

[Anonymous No.8678441]

>>8678314
I see an extra joint there, faggot

[Anonymous No.8678474]

I'm honestly more interested on what they look like. Considering they're from a completely different planet (but still earthlike enough to harbor life) with a completely different evolutionary history/chemical makeup, I wonder if we'll even recognize it when we see it.

[Anonymous No.8678562]

>>8668414
What use would they have for slaves that wouldn't even understand the technology gap?

If anything we'd be seen as a curiosity or ab-normal species

[Anonymous No.8678579]

>>8678562
Perhaps as cannon-fodder, then? I could imagine an alien race enlisting the help of primitive lifeforms (ex. Us), with the promise of new medical/transportation/weapons technology.
Like how some inhabited islands were used as basecamps during various wars. Only difference is we'd be helping them.

[Anonymous No.8678604]

>>8664097
Yes there is a good statistical chance that there is other forms of life out there. Even intelligent ones.
However it is better for us to never ever ever meet them. Especially if they are intelligent.

[Anonymous No.8678616]

They're coming down real soon.
Prepare the anguses.

[Anonymous No.8678620]

>>8664097
What if we're still at the dawn of the universe and life elsewhere is still to be developed. What if we are destined to be caretakers of the universe helping other species grow and become a part of our then expansive intergalactic society

I also have a serious belief that other animals are naturally evolving into sentience. I don't think it'll be a millennium before man has to coexist with literal conscious intellectual birds and dolphins and maybe eventually all/most creatures will reach the point of self awareness and sentience.

Look up Alex the Parrot. If true it could be very telling of our potential future

[Anonymous No.8679299]

Bump

[Anonymous No.8679620]

>>8664140
Depends on whether the formation of life was a random chemical process or not
If its a random process the chance of life existing other than us is very small even if the universe is massive

[Anonymous No.8679635]

>>8664097
>Do they have even a 10% chance of being out there /sci/?
I think they definitely do. They probably don't just don't look like classic ayys. Microbes, bacteria, plantlike sure.
>As things stand do you think it would benefit the earth if we did make contact?
With less intelligent ones I hope there's nothing out there like a face hugger from Alien
With more intelligent ones hopefully not pic related

[Anonymous No.8680447]

Bump

[Anonymous No.8680535]

>>8671880
The life we found on Europa

[Anonymous No.8680564]

>>8680535
That was just some water crystals remember

[Anonymous No.8680589]

>>8678441
Are you fucking retarded bro?

[Anonymous No.8680593]

>>8679635
Pic related is merely the paranoid rambling of a person whose nation was formed out of conflict between several larger nations. Conflict is all they know.

My vision of an alien race is somewhat odd, for I don't view them as warring monsters or benevolent god-like figures. Instead, I view them as another person from which a partnership could arise, given the right circumstances. Perhaps they need help or materials for some unknown reason (possibly a war), and are willing to trade rather than annihilate us. In time, we could grow to become great friends, and could spread through the galaxy.

[Anonymous No.8680815]

>>8665482
but just look at how different life is on our own planet the chances would have to be higher then we can reasonably guess

[Anonymous No.8681129]

>>8680589
dun b butthurt

[Anonymous No.8681169]

what about this, /sci/? wouldn't sufficiently advanced aliens be able to perform covert operations without literally any human noticing here on earth? assume they have ftl. they're already here, /sci/

[Anonymous No.8681359]

Goodnight /sci/

What if aliens look like Moogles or Gremilns?

[Anonymous No.8681425]

Hi /sci/, I should let you know that aliens exist and that I'm one of them.

[Anonymous No.8681465]

>>8669561
>haven't there been signs of at least the precursors of life on other planets (water on mars, etc)?
Water nothing, there's freaking amino acids in some of those freaking meteors as asteroids (nevermind the fact that carbon and H2O are common as fuck).

But if complex life was common, the galaxy has been life sustaining for long enough that, if you for assume life continues to expand for as long and as much as it can, we shoulda been visited a thousand times over by now. (And in fact, already been colonized.)

It might be that any species that retains that infinite growth model never makes it to the stars, and thus every civilization that does is biologically immortal with an in-built population cap, and thus doesn't need mega-structures for energy generation and never colonizes more than the handful of systems required for long term survival.

But a much more simple explanation is that complex life is just rare as fuck.

[Anonymous No.8681497]

>>8678441
I dont? hip, knee, ankle. three. three joints seem about right

[Anonymous No.8681504]

Our concept of time is related to the existence of our planet. Life as we know it sprung out of ideal environmental conditihons and evolved over time. Based on our frame of reference of what the requirements of life are, is it possible that other planets may have once met these ideal conditions or still do? I'd imagine that any extraterrestrial life form would likely be a further evolved humanoid species that we may be the predecessors of. Maybe there is more to the symbiotic relationship we have with microorganisms.

[Anonymous No.8681607]

>>8678620
Well, in fact if sentience is something usual in universe there should be one species to be the first in our corner of universe. But being first is unlikely by definition. Still possible tho.

[Anonymous No.8681639]

>>8664097
Since we exist, and the universe is large, it's either 100% if we're nothing special, and 0% if we're special.

Since any time we thought we were special, it turned out we were not, the safe bet is on 100%.

Personally i prefer the rare earth hypothesis, since any amount of competition will be terrifying ( the one we'll create for ourselves through speciation is already terrifying ) due to RKVs.
But the universe don't owe me shit, so rare earth hypothesis is probably bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8682308]

>>8681607
I like to think animals such as dogs & cats can talk but choose not to on some unknown precedent they sent long ago

[Anonymous No.8682315]

>>8681497
hip, knee 1, knee 2, ankle

Instead of the normal knuckles of the hand, cats have an elaborate mechanism of bone and tentacle to create retractable razor claws

[Anonymous No.8682470]

It would rearange eaths power so much rulling class would deny it so you wouldnt have evidence. They would for sure have beyond oil technology.

[Anonymous No.8682687]

>>8677394

This is triple bait, right?

[Anonymous No.8683026]

>>8679635
nice screencap

[Anonymous No.8683400]

>>8668414
Human beings are incredibly adaptable. Even observation of alien technology would jump start our development, actually getting our hands on it would start a revolution overnight.

Look at how Native Americans adapted to the horse.

[Anonymous No.8683760]

>>8682470
>oil

It's absolutely obsolete

[Anonymous No.8683881]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38663522
did no one see this???

[Anonymous No.8684317]

>>8683881
>we /x/ now

[Anonymous No.8684350]

>>8681465
It's a conceit of sorts that a planet that has life will necessarily give rise to a spacefaring species. Life is messy and fickle, even if it doesn't get wiped out or stuck at single celled organisms any animals that arise may not ever be intelligent, those that are may not have the means or opportunity to develop technology, and even if they do the mere desire to leave the planet is questionable. And of course, regardless of what they would or could do its easy to kill themselves off along the way.

[Anonymous No.8684831]

>>8680535
>>8680564
I've argued before that there's no excuse why we shouldn't be there right now, looking; and it pisses me off in general that humanity isn't further along in space. But, no we have to spend all our money on things that are arguably just plain not important, and when you try to convince the majority of people why we should go further, the only answer you get back is "Why?"

[Anonymous No.8684833]

>>8684831

[Anonymous No.8684836]

>>8680593
>My vision of an alien race is somewhat odd, for I don't view them as warring monsters or benevolent god-like figures. Instead, I view them as another person from which a partnership could arise, given the right circumstances. Perhaps they need help or materials for some unknown reason (possibly a war), and are willing to trade rather than annihilate us. In time, we could grow to become great friends, and could spread through the galaxy
That's a nice vision and hopefully anon
>>8683026
Thanks

[Anonymous No.8684864]

>>8683881
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000100480003-3.pdf
Probably just flawed methodology/wishful CIA thinking, but still.

[Anonymous No.8684875]

Even if there was/were/will be intelligent life in the universe besides us, it's probably long dead or not even in the planning stages yet. Proper "humans" have only been around for about 300k - 150k years, we've only been writing shit down for maybe 5k years.

5000 years is nothing in the scale of the universe, and we're already at the point we could glass our own planet. The odds there's a living civilization out there, right now, is pretty close to zero. If they existed in recent history, we'd probably pick up some radio. So if they did exist, they existed so long ago and have been dead for so long, there might not even be artifacts to find.

Or there is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIC_8462852#An_artificial_megastructure

[Anonymous No.8684941]

>>8664216
We won't ever be able to colonise Mars
It's simply not similar enough to Earth
politics is not focussed on the environment or the space program, but instead of petty orange men, trucks of peace running into crowds of people, and whether womyn are getting 50% of every good career position

[Anonymous No.8684952]

>>8684941
>We won't ever be able to colonise Mars
>It's simply not similar enough to Earth

>assuming you have to live on Mars like you live on Earth

Probably most living space will be underground. It's a matter of getting enough equipment there to make landscaping on that scale possible.

[Anonymous No.8684959]

>>8684952
The health problems that would arise from people living like NEETs in underground systems without sunlight and subsisting off supplements, along with the difference in gravity is just too harsh to imagine a healthy population colonising it for a significant period of historical time

[Anonymous No.8684966]

>>8684959
most neets survive with no sunlight just fine

[Anonymous No.8684976]

>>8684966
What I'm saying is that to sustain a healthy population you need to account for drop off/deaths due to the conditions
the colonies need to be huge, you need the healthiest people, the best, it'd be a tremendous effort
then a % of them need to survive, really, and it'd take a while to have a healthy population that have the adaptations to just not fail on Mars
sad!

[Anonymous No.8685025]

>>8684875
well, i do think that most civilizations will have died out already, but their machines will be still working if they're advanced enough. If there has ever been a species intelligent enough for interstellar travel in the galaxy, their machines and AIs will still be around probably. Maybe the galaxy is filled with machines warring, cooperating, assimilating, terraforming according to some instructions left by civilizations long gone
something like V(O)Y(A)GER from the startrek movie

[Anonymous No.8685055]

>>8664097
We really can't say because. We don't know how life came to be on Earth.

[Anonymous No.8685076]

>>8685025
>machines that are thousands or even millions of years old still work

[Anonymous No.8685085]

>>8664097
Its almost certain they exist somewhere in the universe. Its also nearly certain that they are too far away to ever make contact.

[Anonymous No.8685089]

>>8685076
spacefaring and cooperating machines will certainly be able to repair themselves and their comrades, yes or they simply build new ones

[Anonymous No.8685094]

>>8685089
You're making a lot of assumptions mate. Until Boston Dynamics can develop a robot that can do more than one or two things very poorly, I seriously doubt this idea that super-cool machines will be able to exist without their creators around to change the oil.

That this is a favorite trope of sci-fi should give you pause. Like FTL, it has no bearing in reality, but is convenient for writers.

[Anonymous No.8685103]

who knows

Either they're fuzzy funny Ewoks, parasitic nightmares like the Flood, or hyper intelligent predators like Ur Quan or Predator

Based on what we can see on Earth, hyper intelligent predators are most likely to be the ones to travel space

That is bad news bears

[Anonymous No.8685143]

>>8685094
of course i assume a lot, but i don't think it's too far fetched. As long as your civilization manages to get to semi-intelligent AI, doing one thing rather efficient, and at the same time get to a point where literally everything in your world is automated, you can get your world running independantly for a very long time.
>one factory builds self driving machines that gather resources and machines that needed in the factory itself
>those machines gather resources
>the resources are used to make more factories and more machines
i don't think that's really unreasonable. Of course i assume things like AI intelligent enough to manage all this, machines being "self aware" enough to detect damage, machines being able to repair that damage..., but i do believe we are heading right in that direction and we will witness the first fully autonomous factories

[Anonymous No.8685172]

>>8664097
I bet a majority of intelligent extraterrestrials look humanoid from convergent evolution under the same laws of physics.

[Anonymous No.8685197]

>>8685172
yes, and i believe that all female aliens look just like attractive human women just with some minor differences, like skin color, ear shape,...
and i bet they are all fascinated by human males
and i bet their reproductive systems are compatiple with ours
and i bet they are very open about interspecies relationships

[Anonymous No.8685218]

>>8685197
Damn, you too eh? Too bad that could be like only 50.1% of them. And those mofos could be funky as hell as long as they are bipedal.

[Anonymous No.8685229]

>>8685218
>as long as they're bipedal
i don't think that will matter really

[Anonymous No.8685340]

>>8685172
>humanoid aliens
>muh convergent evolution
At most, they'll just have eyes, mouths, legs, and brains. Beyond that point, anything goes.

[Anonymous No.8685372]

>>8684831
Wouldn't it be likely that at least one of those moons actually harbors life?

We wouldn't know about it until we landed

[Anonymous No.8685443]

>>8685372
>Wouldn't it be likely that at least one of those moons actually harbors life?
>We wouldn't know about it until we landed
Well yeah kinda my point. And I still maintain, especially now there's just no excuse we're not there. For all the going on about it, we could have been there and found out. We could have done it. Already. We could have sent a lander. Already. We could have done it if we actively focused on going to other planets after going to the moon. There are many ways we could already done this. Think anon, we could have stopped whining about it and literally had an answer to this question right now

[Anonymous No.8685457]

We don't know the likelihood of life arising from inanimate matter. On Earth it happened quickly so we assume it the odds must be good but we just don't know.

[Anonymous No.8685539]

>>8685340
>that right creature

now that's groovy

[Anonymous No.8685548]

>>8685340
>Beyond that point, anything goes.
Eh, they won't be evolving on that planet by themselves. It would be a competition of survival. And they will have came from something optimized for survival. And having more appendages and such require more energy to develop and maintain. And if less works better or just as good more, than there will be weak selection towards less. And those appendages and limbs won't be much good if they get broken/damaged easily or can't repair without too much resources. And they would have to be pretty good at locamoting or be able to escape predators move to new sustainence some how.
@your pic related
top left: snakelike movement isn't very fast, they better have good camo or be pretty small and able to hide(probably not in borrows with those tails) and those tails look too weak to grasp anything forcefully or heavy

top right: Having three eyes that big is a waste. They better be godly fast or be able to run forever(which they probably cant being a quadruped) or at least be able to fly with those wing like appendages because they look frail as a piece of paper.

bottom left: What are they going to reach with those short arms before they invent something to extend their reach? and what are they even going to be able pick up with those spindly little things? what use could they have served when they were evolving those appendages?

bottom right: testicles are terrible at fine manipulation and aren't very strong. They as a whole don't look suited for any type of movement that I'm aware of. probably the best design of them.

[Anonymous No.8685560]

>>8685548
Here are the descriptions from their page.

>(Top Left) Nameless: The nameless are a serpentine species native to a world of pressurized ammonia. Their home world, also nameless, is a large planet with three moons and a thick atmosphere. The atmospheric pressure is sufficient to allow liquid ammonia at an average surface temperature just below the freezing point of water. The nameless are an ancient intelligence which has maintained their civilization for six million years before the Nexus. Their bodies are supported by a cartilage spine with universal joints. Halfway down their length, the body splits into two prehensile halves. It is known that they possess a very sophisticated respiratory system of accordion-like lungs alternating with specialized siphoning hearts. Their brains seem to continue along the body until the split in the vertebrae. Very little else is known of nameless internal anatomy due to their enhanced bodies. A defining feature of all nameless societies is their fusion with clothing. There are no records of a nameless without a full body suit that remains on apparently their entire lives. This clothing supports sensory, sexual, defensive, manipulative, feeding and filtration systems to support the hosts. Nameless are extremely pathophobic and many live as immortals in sterilized artificial habitats. They are able to live in close proximity to other species, yet they do so reclusively. Due to the advanced age of some individuals, they are trusted as record keepers of historic events. They also seem to have great interest in maintaining planetary biospheres, although very few nameless can be persuaded to actually slither onto a disease-ridden planet.

[Anonymous No.8685561]

>>8685560
>(Top Right) Nop’op: Nop’ops are a species originating from a carbon planet. They are carbon/water based life forms which incorporate arsenic and sulfur into their metabolisms as well. They are octopods with two pairs of walking legs. Two arms, ending in hands with one finger and two thumbs, are used in manipulation. Nop’ops also possess a pair of limbs with membranes adapted for gliding in the thick atmosphere of their home world. Their sucker-like mouths are able to inhale fungi, slime molds, and round-cut pieces of flesh for sustenance. They are able to produce very long, loud and complex sounds with twin vocal resonating pouches n their throats. They speak a phonemic language which they listen to with three ears atop their heads. Nop’ops do not possess eyes and are mainly nocturnal. The sonic globe, centered in the sound-funneling ear lobes, contains three pairs of inner ear systems tuned to different frequencies. These also send signals for echolocation. The ruff on their neck is composed of feather-like filaments that interlock into intricate microscopic patterns designed to resonate when scanned by powerful sonar pings. The resulting sonic echoes create a confusing fractal sonar image. This was used as a defense in prehistory, and is now designed to be aesthetic in modern culture.

[Anonymous No.8685565]

>>8685561
>(Lower Left) Beezon: The beezons are a large herbivorous species from a world once covered in water. Their home planet has low gravity which allowed the atmosphere to leak into space over billions of years. Beezon civilization blossomed just as the atmosphere began to become too thin to maintain their form of life. They evolved with two pairs of powerful lungs to breathe the thinning air. Beezons spend much of their time in water, and their nostrils are located on the top of their heads. They also possess two miniature lunglets at the back of the skull to provide air for extended dives. They also have a limited ability to absorb oxygen directly from the water through their tough, porous skins. The large gland at the top of the head is an olfactory organ that has adapted to be efficient in a thin atmosphere. Tiny pumps and passageways within the gland accelerate particles to be beamed directly towards others as a form of communication. The double chin below the gland is covered in primitive photoreceptors. Two trunks, evolved from vestigial mouths, support four hooked claws each to provide manipulation. The body is supported by three legs. Beezons are hermaphrodites. As beezon civilization discovered their atmosphere was fading, they managed to construct sealed domes and underground waterways and caverns to survive in. In modern times, the atmosphere has been completely removed by both natural and technical means. Beezons favor strict system of hierarchy in their societies. Much of what they consider art would be merely practical to other species, such as working or producing something useful. War and dueling is an intensely personal custom to a beezon, and one will gladly fight to the death to defend er status and position in their system.

[Anonymous No.8685567]

>>8685565
And finally.
>(Bottom Right) Geckerill: Geckerills originally evolved on a chlorine world. They evolved as trap-making fish eaters and scavengers dwelling within the huge swamps of their home world. They are slow moving on land, and often walk along the bottoms of waterways using their tentacles to pull themselves along. These four, muscular trunks possess manipulating pads. The two thick, short legs used for support on land are concealed by the folds of fat and fur covering their lower bodies. This fur provides a home for symbiotic algae and attracts certain species of fish used in domestication. The back of a geckerill is protected by a light, but strong shell formed from ossified layers of cartilage. The neck is semi-telescopic, and contains gills. At the cephalon are the coiled braincase, air-breathing nostrils, single armored eyestalk, and telescoping mouth with specialized teeth for catching prey. Geckerills are a tri-gendered race with the third, non-sophont gender serving as a host for the offspring. They are a patient, and naturally long-lived species. This has allowed them to become natural conspirators in modern society. They are also capable of taking advantage of any opportunity with great speed and enthusiasm. One of the favorite pastimes of many geckerills is participation in extremely complicated and drawn-out social games. Under various governments, these could be linked to politics, economics, or general social well-being.

[Anonymous No.8685641]

>>8664097
We evolved to have higher intelligence extraordinarily early. We came basically as early as it gets, not too long before Earth, a star able to support life on her planets couldn't have existed for long enough. We can see life giving planets everywhere, but we aren't hearing shit. Yes we would benifit from contact.

[Anonymous No.8685645]

>>8667467
Fucking racist.

[Anonymous No.8685651]

>>8677394
I'm trying not to get triple baited right here,.

[Anonymous No.8685654]

>>8667195
burn in hell you fucking hashtag using leftist faggot how dare you use faggity ass hashtags on this site

[Anonymous No.8685663]

>>8684317
>name of thread
>memes when presenting evidence

[Anonymous No.8685665]

>>8667467
loving it
>>8685645
dont worry the day of the rope is at hand

[Anonymous No.8685675]

>>8685663
>serious discussion on the subject of astrobiology
>conspiracy-tier shit gets posted
Just repaying a meme for a meme.

[Anonymous No.8685699]

Did anyone see Arrival? It completely blew me away because it shed light on some aspects of alien contact that is very rarely brought up in these discussions. If the universe is indeed infinite, then there's possibility that certain "portions" of space operate under different, to us unknown laws of physics. Intelligent life living in this part of the universe would be utterly incomprehensible to us.

If I recall correctly, the aliens in Arrival seem to use abstract form of communication based on their cyclical experience of time. Could an advanced enough species be able to "see" the future in some way?

[Anonymous No.8685712]

>>8664097
They are out there, but the universe is too spread out so we'll never make contact with similarly intelligent life.

[Anonymous No.8685718]

>ayylmao planet is dying
>they send hundreds of pods to different planets they theorize to be inhabitable
>pods only have genetic information to repopulate their race
>after 1000+ years it crash lands on our planet
>hits the ocean
>humanity is millions of years away from evolving
>never discover pod because it is in the fucking ocean

[Anonymous No.8685723]

>>8685699
Probably, but they couldn't be called "aliens." They'd be something more at that point.

[Anonymous No.8685728]

>>8685699
It honestly really pissed me off. I loved it up until the whole, "you're the weapon/tool, just remember the future" bullshit.

They were going someplace great with it and they just had to ruin it with that shit. No, no matter what language you speak you're never going to see into the future.

It might be possible with different laws of physics, but that would never enable any human to do so, and it would never enable any alien to do so, after moving into our region of physical laws.

[Anonymous No.8685729]

The universe is so incomprehensibly vast that it would be pretty arrogant of us to presume there isn't some sort of sentient pizza alien out there in the endless expanse.

[Anonymous No.8685992]

>>8668422
Even if they did come close we'd have no way of knowing?

[Anonymous No.8686019]

>>8682315
>actual retard
You belong in a zoo with climate change deniers, people who think they can talk to the dead and Illuminati conspiracists

[Anonymous No.8686110]

>>8685548
>testicles are terrible at fine manipulation
And you call yourself a man? Practice boy, practice!

[Anonymous No.8686135]

>>8685729
Happy?

[Anonymous No.8686145]

>>8674346
It also pretty much means no civ has developed a way to go ftl or some such wormhole travel or else we'd probably have noticed contact.

[Anonymous No.8686153]

>>8679635
More like this, please.

[Anonymous No.8686203]

>>8684875
>>8686145
>The odds there's a living civilization out there, right now, is pretty close to zero.
One like ours, yes, but the only conceivable thing that could wipe out a species that has colonized a few solar systems of sufficient spread, is another, similar competing interstellar civilization (or perhaps internal strife in that same civilization). So if any other civilization in our galaxy reached that stage previously, odds are, either they are still out there, or whatever took them out is.

Granted, for that same reason, once you've colonized a handful of worlds, you've no motivation to put in the resource investment to colonize any more (and risk potential further cultural fragmentation). The only way you could ensure the long term survival of your species any further, at that point, would be to spread beyond the galaxy, universe, or some other fantastical thing.

So there might well be several other space faring civilizations in our galaxy, just none particularly ambitious. Part of where the Fermi paradox comes in, is that it assumes that life continues to grow and spread indefinitely. If this were the case, even if there were only one or two such seeding civilizations, developing even a few million years before or own, they should have colonized the entire galaxy by now, several times over, even at sublight speeds.

So if complex life is common, and space faring civilizations do happen, either part of the requirement for them to succeed is that they abandon that infinite growth model (and thus do not build megastructures nor colonize more than a handful of systems), or we've just been really lucky to be in a colonization blind spot.

While I suspect it may be true that one must abandon infinite growth to reach the stars, it's just as likely, that complex life is just extremely rare, maybe appearing in but one per dozen galaxies or so.

[Anonymous No.8686291]

>>8684875
>If they existed in recent history, we'd probably pick up some radio.
Actually not a thing... There could be a civilization similar to ours in our own solar system, and unless they were pointing a SETI like program right at us, we could conceivably miss it. Similarly, there's no way we're going to pick up any nearby radio signals from other solar systems only intended to be received within the terrestrial bodies that broadcast them, and even for planets within those same system, unless, again, they put in a significant investment to deliberately broadcast right at us - which, given our own history, is pretty suicidal for our dumb asses to be doing.

Inverse square is a bitch - ain't no one picking up Hitler's speech during the Olympic broadcast. Never mind the fact that we've all but entirely switched from analog to digital ourselves, masking our radio footprint even further, and we're not even trying to hide.

[Anonymous No.8686299]

i think it's safe to say that it's impossible for there not to be "aliens" out there. if you take our sun, and compare it to other main sequence stars, theres about 3 or 4 within 50,000 light years that are similar in absolute magnitude. to boggle your brain a little bit more, Sun-like stars make up about 10% of all stars, and there being 200 billion stars in just the milky way alone, that gives us about 20 billion stars similar to our sun, just in our own galaxy. if just 5% of those had "earth-like" planets, that's about 1 billion planets. all of the planet talk however, is merely conjecture. the percentage could be higher, could be smaller. but in my mind, i think there's prolly a shit ton of similar planets, since we know of about a dozen exoplanets, some of which are only 50 light years away from our solar system. with all that being said, there is definitely life out there. and as far as aliens coming in contact with us goes, they either have to be extremely close to us, or extremely advanced, since they have to travel light years at a time to get to us. and if a civilization is as advanced as that, then shit man idk sucks for us they could prolly zap us and we wouldnt even be able to react or some shit

[Anonymous No.8686519]

>>8686299
They don't have to be very close, just within the same galaxy, really. (Assuming FTL isn't a thing.) Which is where the conundrum comes in.

But if the infinite drive for expansion isn't a thing, despite it being the norm for non-sapient life forms, there could be thousands or even hundreds of thousands of such capped civilizations, and we could easily remain unaware of it at this point.

Just as likely, if not more, such civilizations are simply so rare that it's easily possible that only one galaxy in a hundred or more has such a civilization, in which case, odds are, we'll never find another, given that almost all the other galaxies are red shifted, and thus (again assuming FTL isn't a thing) forever out of reach, and eventually, beyond perception. That factor, that complex life is simply rare, at least involves less leaps of conjecture.

Or maybe every civilization that reaches a certain point realizes we're living in a false vacuum, and, given the technology required to confirm that, opts to somehow bail on our doomed universe.

Or any number of the other solutions to the paradox, most of which are kinda frightening, and involve a lot more factors of conjecture.

[Anonymous No.8686523]

I think more interesting question is that whether they are already here or not.

[Anonymous No.8686533]

>>8686523
Maybe we're a seeding project - and thus we are the ayy lmaos. (Not that the question wouldn't remain, even if that were proven to be the case.)

We really need to get a better grip on how life happens and how rare it is before we can really guess at this stuff... And we very well may run into alien life before we get a real grip on that without having done so. Even then, such a miraculous series of events came together to give us this dynamic engineering intelligence, or even just the Renaissance or the Industrial Revolution that followed, coupled with the fact that all those factors are so hotly debated as to their individual value and likelihoods, and the endless fantasy as to all the other ways it all might have happened, it might not get us much closer to plugging in any real numbers into that silly equation.

[Anonymous No.8686538]

>>8686533
Almost every ancient civilization has stories, which could be in our current context interpreted as ayy lmaos paying occasional visits "flying horse with wings" etc.

There also seems to be a legend of ancient technologically advanced civilization, which was here at some point, but decided to vanish. Shambala, Atlantis, etc. And followers of those wait that they return from the sky. Which I believe, is quite literal.

Anyway, it's /x/ tier

[Anonymous No.8686549]

>>8686538
Meh, the whole thread's /x/tier - but it's easy enough to write most of those stories away as synthetic imagination coupled with anthropomorphization. Few people suggest that unicorns were ever real. Until we find a buried alien city or starship, human imagination is the simpler explanation, giants and flight both being pretty universal.

Not that I don't occasionally see something that makes me wonder if we aren't the first civilization to come up with hot air balloons or some other primitive flying device that wouldn't leave behind much in the archaeological record. Plus, I often feel that 100,000+ years of nadda, all while having all the ingredients for civilization, followed by civilizations cropping up all over in a short ~5K years, sometimes in entirely unconnected lands, does need a bit more explaining than climate change coupled with the viral nature of civilization. I wouldn't be surprised to find the ruins of several intermediary civilizations filling that gap in the oceans, given how the land shelfs receded.

Either way though, ayy lmaos seems a bit of a leap (and more than a bit insulting to our ancestors).

[Anonymous No.8686554]

>>8686549
Well, and I suspect, if Atlantis, etc. did exist, they were "advanced" as say ancient Rome was over ancient Athens. Not as, say New York is to ancient Rome. The Sea People were probably a thing, but I doubt they were centuries ahead of everyone around them, or they would have left a much bigger footprint, and not lost wars against such "primitives" as Egypt and the Assyrians.

Even suggesting their boats were so much better that they were responsible for the mesoamerican civilizations is quite a stretch.

[Anonymous No.8686568]

>>8664097
100% chance that we will discover aliens in the next 5billion years

[Anonymous No.8686575]

>>8686549
>Not that I don't occasionally see something that makes me wonder if we aren't the first civilization to come up with hot air balloons or some other primitive flying device that wouldn't leave behind much in the archaeological record.
>I wouldn't be surprised to find the ruins of several intermediary civilizations filling that gap in the oceans, given how the land shelfs receded.
It is safe to say archaeologists have thought of this, looked at the evidence, and concluded that it is unlikely.

[Anonymous No.8686601]

>>8686575
Yeah, but in a lot of these cases, there wouldn't be anything left to find. Light gliders or hot air balloons made of wood and cloth are pretty biodegradable. No written records, civ isolated and dead for thousands of years, yet these huge drawings only visible from the sky, and weird carvings of flying machines with people in them strewn about.

I'm not saying it's likely - but it seems possible and I don't think you could really rule it out through the archaeological record alone in some cases. (Though certainly in some.)

The mechanisms behind primitive flight in general are so simple it kind of boggles the mind it took us so long to take to it. On the other hand, the fact that we perfected it so well that we have better than-half thousand ton flying beasts commonly roaming about at near supersonic speeds, at a higher altitude than anything that's ever lived, and take it all for granted, is even more impressive.

[Anonymous No.8686608]

>>8686575
As for the second bit, we do pretty regularly find shit that has us having to push the universal Holocene calendar year, only recently having found that Gobekli Tepe temple in Turkey that bumped the oldest known human structure back by another 6,000 years.

We pretty regularly find stuff sunk on the shelfs that *might* be the remains of civilizations, but that shit is really hard to check out even with the current fringe tech, so it rarely gets looked over in detail. Underwater archeology is just expensive as fuck. We've not even extracted half the treasures from ancient Alexandria, and that went underwater within recorded history.

[Anonymous No.8687456]

ayy

[Anonymous No.8687489]

>>8664097
> As things stand do you think it would benefit the earth if we did make contact?
Remember Cortez? As I recall, shit didn't go so well for the Aztecs.

Any race that is so advanced as to navigate between the stars would see us as a disease, nothing more.

All they would have to do is park a mass cannon in our asteroid field and chuck rocks at us until we all die. Then, hey, free world.

[Anonymous No.8688318]

>>8687489
Meh, assuming FTL isn't a thing, any civilization capable of interstellar travel isn't going to be interested in our planet, save maybe as a biological curiosity, if that (which I suppose gives us a chance to be left alone as a preservation). Pulling such journeys en mass would require the ability to produce and acquire essentially unlimited resources, anything they might be short of would be artificial and likely beyond our ability to mass produce.

At the same time, they'd probably be immortal, and might be so forward thinking as to nip any potential problem we may one day become, regardless of how distant, in the bud.

If FTL is a thing, not too resource intensive, and just something we're simply missing due to some fundamental misunderstanding of physics (much like flight until just over a century ago). Then... Yeah, that might be a problem.

But while it's laughable that so many fanciful dreamers equate "advanced" with "benignly enlightened". I suppose it still *might* be possible that the first aliens we run into would be widely inclusive, perhaps even appreciative of biological diversity, and may even try to aid or "uplift" us in some way. Though, even then, the process might not be pleasant, nor even the end result, which may leave us unrecognizable as a species, however noble the intent.

[Anonymous No.8689779]

>>8687489
We have NO reason to assume that any E.T's would be hostile towards earth.

[Anonymous No.8689797]

>>8686538
The same can be about dragon's nearly EVERY culture has some mythos about the lizards makes you wonder if they actually did exist at some point

maybe they simply died out before we had the chance to get some concrete evidence of their presence

[Anonymous No.8689799]

>>8689779
We also have no reason to assume they'd be friendly.
Best to prepare for the worst and hope for the best

[Anonymous No.8689852]

>>8664097

So, NASA will soon answer your question and reveal, no, we aren't in fact alone.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-host-news-conference-on-discovery-beyond-our-solar-system/

[Anonymous No.8689912]

>>8689852
its probably just "earthlike planet in habitable zone" not ayyylmaos

[Anonymous No.8690054]

>>8689779
We have tons of reasons...

Just no real reason for them to land, if FTL doesn't exist. If they are immortal and don't like space faring races to crop up as threats in the distant future, we'll never see it coming.

...and if FTL is a simple low resource thing we've somehow missed, then the Cortez comparison entirely valid, as they won't need to be able to produce unlimited resources to get about, and thus ours look far more tasty than they would to a civilization so advanced that they can make such journeys without it.

I mean, coming up with reasons why they would be friendly, on the other hand, involves a lot of anthropomorphizing, while the opposite is just cold necessity. It's really a happy accident that our empathy extends to other species - and it doesn't even extend to very many. They may have wiped out all other species on their own world millions of years ago, when they found ways to artificially produce everything they needed from them more efficiently, and thus not really perceive other life forms as having any value at all.

...and even if they ignore you, you're still an ant crawling around giants, apt to be stepped upon, should they say, decide to cannibalize your sun for fuel.

Yeah, you can toss nukes at them at a bid to get their attention as they do it, but any ship that can traverse the galaxy at relativistic speeds, can simply ignore them - or worse, swat the ant biting at it.

[Anonymous No.8690171]

>>8674424
Trump was supposedly briefed about them less then a week after winning the election m8

[Anonymous No.8690464]

>>8665262
>put stuff on rocket
>send it to mars
>use it to build a colony

it ain't rocket science you know

[Anonymous No.8690468]

>>8684941
you're a homosexual

[Anonymous No.8690506]

Zero chance. Humans were created by God as unique beings made in his image. He hasn't done this anywhere else in the universe. The idea of aliens is a religious lie taught by evolutionists to promote satanism (aliens are repackaged demons.)

[Anonymous No.8690518]

>>8681465
>But a much more simple explanation is that complex life is just rare as fuck.
This. If life exists elsewhere it's probably just simple single cell bacteria. It's a 100% certainty there are no other sapient species in the universe

[Anonymous No.8690532]

>>8690506
This. Isn't the obvious answer to the Fermi Paradox that God is real?

[Anonymous No.8690869]

>>8690506
Late reply but there's nothing in the Bible that would contradict alien life out in the vastness of space

[Anonymous No.8690898]

>>8690532
>Forever alone in the universe
If there was a God and that God was good, why would He do this?

[Anonymous No.8690902]

>>8664097

>ctrl+f "medea hypothesis"

grrrrr. Seriously though the Medea Hypothesis is correct and is the answer to the fermi paradox.

almost the entire existence of the earth was a microbial state where the ocean was purple and poisonous, and the sky was fucking green from all the chemicals. We are an extremely tiny blip in what is normally a microbial wasteland on our own planet.

The idea that multiple blips of humanity would line up perfectly right and exist at the same time is like winning the lottery. Peoples current estimates are insanely high. Exoplanets are all trash looking.


Also think about this, if we didn't have a moon, our day night cycle would be like fucking 2hrs day 2hrs night. It would not have been habitable, and most exoplanets that we have found don't have moons.

[Anonymous No.8690903]

>>8690902

Also I am referencing astrobiologist Peter Ward.

https://orionmagazine.org/review/under-a-green-sky/

[Anonymous No.8690910]

>>8690902
I don't think our moon has anything to do with our day/night cycle, unless the earth was rotating extremely slowly before the moon was formed (please correct me if this is the case). I think the moon is necessary for life but for other reasons. Mainly the tides gently moving around the microorganisms in the ocean and directly putting in kinetic energy which could have helped accelerate the development of organisms by exposing them to new environments more quickly, but not quickly enough to kill them.

[Anonymous No.8690919]

>>8690910

The gravitational pull of the moon actually slows the earths rotation, and without it, the earth would rotate much much faster.

This is a huge debate going on about moon-less exoplanets, with some proponents saying that this rapid day/night cycle would not work well for producing life. And others who think that it could still sustain life. (Funny how these debates are really commonplace but people posting here don't know about them, it's almost as if everyone on /sci/ was undergrad...)

Note: I am parroting multiple discussions I have seen experts participate in on the topic, I am not researching the area myself.

[Anonymous No.8690948]

>>8690903
>Peter Ward
>thinks life is inherently suicidal
>also thinks man will survive until the very end of the world with very little change
I think I'll stick with Jack Cohen on this one.

[Anonymous No.8690960]

>>8690919
Ah yes I actually knew about this effect, I just misread your post. The moon steals about 1 second of rotational period every 1.5 years, and so over it's 4.5 billion year lifespan it would increased the period by ~800 thousand hours (which isn't possible, because the period is only 24 hours now, so I must be oversimplifying the math).

In any case, I'm inclined to agree with you, because the planet that's closest to being able to sustain life in our solar system is probably Pluto, and he has Charon helping it along. But I also think the tilt of the axis of rotation also plays a huge roll in sustainability. There are too many factors to make any assertions.

[Anonymous No.8690968]

>>8690948

I had to look up who that was, but then when I did I lol'd

>Jack Cohen
>No name 'scientist'
>barely any research or significant findings on his wikipedia.
>Most famous achievement is helping to write fucking diskworld and other shitty scifi.

vs

>Peter Ward
>renowned astrobiologist for NASA
>specialist in all previous extinctions as well as their causes and effects

Why you would even give the science fiction writer the time of day?

[Anonymous No.8690969]

>>8667277
the fuck are you talking about...we exist. thats reason enough to KNOW somewhere out there another form of life exists on another rock. its probably improbable that we are a fluke.

[Anonymous No.8690976]

>>8690948

>thinks man will survive until the very end of the world with very little change

Actually I think his ideas are that mankind could be sustainable in the long term with a large decrease in population, and many other factors, but he also lists most of these as unrealistic. He tries to leave open possibilities that are non-negative to try to not be pessimistic despite his findings.

[Anonymous No.8690981]

>>8690968
> astrobiologist
> not a sci-fi writing degree

[Anonymous No.8690986]

>>8690506
Believe it or not most religions seem pretty friendly towards the idea of aliens because it doesn't really threaten or contradict their established theologies. For example, Catholic theologians have been speculating "alien" life since the 1400s. One of them in particular believed that, because God is infinite, there would probably be no limit as to how far his creations would go and so he concluded that,
"Life, as it exists on Earth in the form of men, animals and plants, is to be found, let us suppose in a high form in the solar and stellar regions. Rather than think that so many stars and parts of the heavens are uninhabited and that this earth of ours alone is peopled - and that with beings perhaps of an inferior type - we will suppose that in every region there are inhabitants, differing in nature by rank and all owing their origin to God, who is the center and circumference of all stellar regions". Hell, they even had the same notion that these other beings raised on other worlds would probably be superior to humanity in every way and even incapable of "sin".

And no Nicholas of Cusa was not set on fire for these speculations.

[Anonymous No.8690991]

>>8690968
>Peter Ward
>renowned astrobiologist for NASA
>but picked a fight with a head-hancho IDiot and made himself look like an ass
They're both bad examples.

[Anonymous No.8691002]

>>8690968
>astrobiologist

[Anonymous No.8691011]

>>8691002
>>8690991

He is a microbial paleontologist, who extrapolates what he knows about our own microbial history to other potential exoplanets. I really don't see what is unscientific about building up hypotheses based on observations and then hopefully being able to test them?

Isn't that how it is supposed to function?

[Anonymous No.8691028]

>>8691011
Be that as it may, he still doesn't leave any room for others to hypothesise, so why should we? He has a rather harsh approach to any vision aside from his own.

[Anonymous No.8691032]

>>8691028

Contrarian opinions backed by facts are often the right ones.

[Anonymous No.8691048]

>>8690518
>It's a 100% certainty there are no other sapient species in the universe
That's not what I said... I said there's a good chance there's no other sapient life in the *galaxy*. Given that this solar system, increasingly, seems to be rather typical, and planets the rule, rather than the exception, the odds of this being the only place in a universe filled with countless trillions of such habitable worlds, in countless trillions of galaxies, are in fact negligible to the point of statistical insignificance.

But given the distance between galaxies and the fact that they are all moving apart at such a rate where they will effectively not exist to one another (and some already have), it maybe only a "lucky" few ever manage to meet up, and we may simply not be among those.

Granted, if we do reach the stars, and find we're alone, eventually, I suspect, we'll create our own "friends" (if not before).

[Anonymous No.8691051]

>>8691032
All about perspective.

[Anonymous No.8691059]

>>8691048
>the odds of this being the only place in a universe filled with countless trillions of such habitable worlds, in countless trillions of galaxies, are in fact negligible to the point of statistical insignificance.
But the chance of life forming naturally is only 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

[Anonymous No.8691068]

>>8690902
The Medea Hypothesis doesn't eliminate the chance for other complex life, it just makes it rarer, which goes to possible Fermi paradox solutions folks have already stated, and only goes to the particulars as to possible reasons.

But the moon isn't necessary for biological life in every instance - not every planet in the galaxy rotates at this one's initial speed eternally, they all slow over time, and not every planet is as subject to bombardment. (Even if, yes, there's also plenty more subject to both.) ...and then you multiply that by the countless trillions of similar galaxies.

And no, not all exoplanets we've been looking at are shit, and under current technology, there's only a handful we can look at. We can't see anything smaller than a Jupiter sized planet more than the astronomical equivalent of inches away, and the fact that we've seen so many potential Earth'ish planets just within that tiny sampling (and, hell, two others in our own system), suggests there's billions and billions upon them, and in the past, have been billions and billions more.

On top of that, we keep finding new extremophile life forms on our own planet, continuously eliminating what we once assumed were critical conditions for life.

So, yeah, it's almost certainly out there, just a question as to whether any of it is close enough for us to ever meet before cosmic inflation eliminates the possibility.

[Anonymous No.8691076]

>>8691059
Even if that were the case, there would be billions of instances of life in the universe. Place be big, yo.

...and life, in general, most would agree, is probably much more common than that - complex life and civilization, on the other, may be not so much so, but it's hard to tell.

Life isn't made up of any particularly exotic matter. Carbon is the fourth most common element in the universe (there are stars practically made of the stuff just waiting to get blown apart). Water, as ice, being the third most common molecule, and even amino acids aren't unheard of. We're made of common stuff, we just came together in what may or may not be an uncommon fashion.

[Anonymous No.8691080]

>>8691068
>fergot pic

[Anonymous No.8691084]

>>8665174
With what? Tardigrades? Or just the retarded?

[Anonymous No.8691102]

>>8690986
>"Life, as it exists on Earth in the form of men, animals and plants, is to be found, let us suppose in a high form in the solar and stellar regions...in every region there are inhabitants, differing in nature by rank and all owing their origin to God." - Nicholas of Cusa

From a fucking Vicar General of the Catholic church...

...From fucking smack in the middle of the 13th century.

By the gods, for the ability to go back in time and buy this man a drink.

[Anonymous No.8691105]

>>8691102
>mfw aliens come to Earth to pay homage to Jesus Christ in an interstellar pilgramage

[Anonymous No.8691112]

Considering the chances of life itself existing on other planets seems to fluctuate depending on which variables you account for, how likely is it for (sapient) alien life to resemble man, and of so, to what degree?

[Anonymous No.8691119]

>>8691105

[Anonymous No.8691126]

>>8691105
>implying they wouldn't have the ability to travel back in time

[Anonymous No.8691131]

>>8691112
Personally, I'd say not likely, but there are those who argue that parallel evolutionary developments are a thing, and that morphology like our own are inevitable as a result of necessity.

I think they overestimate the value of human properties, such as bipedal locomotion, as a simple side effect of being dependant on them. Even manipulative limbs might not need to be a thing for a species that can envelope objects and manipulate them internally. Naturally space faring creatures maybe out there as well, though it's true, it seems unlikely they would need to be sapient. (Though still dangerous as fuck, if they seed planets as part of their reproduction cycle.)

I suspect even "life but not as we know it" may be out there, and there's various theorems as to how such could occur. Given that you share some common ancestry with everything on this planet, even the insects, plants, and mushrooms, and they all developed under similar circumstances, I suspect anything alien would likely be alien beyond anything our imaginations, which work purely by synthesis, could ever come up with.

But, who the fuck knows - there's only so many genetic combinations you can make, and maybe Roddenberry's budget alien model isn't so outlandish - maybe we all are seed projects of some primordial stellar empire and thus, in the end, all commonly related.

[Anonymous No.8691171]

>>8691112
I'd say not unlikely. Though there are some that'd argue against that seemingly just because they deem it biased. It's easy to speculate the 'end' product of evolution and figure out how a being could go about its sapient life. But that part doesn't matter. It's all about how and why such a level of intelligence emerged from a microbe all the way to what it is. And what their environment and niche was through their evolution.

Don't assume just because something works on paper means that it can be evolved into. If something worked here, it likely worked somewhere else too. And chances are, we're probably not the exception.

I'm not asserting that all sapient beings will be shaped similar to us. There could be some large amoeba things, telepathic rocks, or inter-dimensional fairy dust beings out there for all I know. The universe is some weird shit.

g'night

[Anonymous No.8691215]

>>8678579
which ps3 game is this?

[Anonymous No.8691288]

>>8665598
>>8667261
Oy vey that's not very tolerant of them they need some diversity and cultural enrichment

[Anonymous No.8691329]

>>8664216
We can't control 0.3% Carbon Dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere. Mars has 96% CO2 atmosphere. Its going to be a long time before terraforming happens. Colonization and underground or domed craters could happen in our lifetime.

[Anonymous No.8691337]

>>8691329
Technically we absolutely could deal with it. It's just not economically viable.

[Anonymous No.8691338]

>>8664097
The rate of a civilization's chance for extinction dramatically increases once they discover how to transmit radio signals.

Technological advances mean better weapons. There are probably very primitive life out there or extinct life.

[Anonymous No.8691974]

Bump

[Anonymous No.8692119]

>>8691329
>we can't breath on the surface

I thought once we landed on the face of the planet things would go smoothly,that's why Elon in pushing so hard isn't it?

[Anonymous No.8692138]

>>8692119
He also wants to heat up the Martian atmosphere with nukes...

I am of the opinion we should keep Mars in its primeval state and live in shelters until we understand its areology better. We can hardly know much about Earth people just want to change it without thought of consequence.

[Anonymous No.8692141]

>>8667268
I think we just be impurities with a lot of water. Some of the water is linked to other compounds, not all the water is free.

[Anonymous No.8692182]

>>8690898
>assuming my God's gender

[Anonymous No.8692309]

>>8692138
>We can hardly know much about Earth people just want to change it without thought of consequence.
I never understood this sorta extreme preservationist effort...

I mean, the possible consequence you are alluding to on Earth, is altering the planet in such a way that eliminates the possibility of smoothly sustaining life.

Mars doesn't support life, so... We can't really make it any worse. (And these arguments get even dumber when they are about the moon or Venus.)

Though, yeah, we should do a more thorough, in person, verification of that before we start raining nukes on it - but I don't even Musk suggests otherwise. (Also, it's a stupid idea that proposed before Musk was born. I think you'd need more nukes than we have uranium to make. Better to crash some asteroids on its polar ice caps.)

[Anonymous No.8692704]

So is there any chance, even a 5% chance aliens are currently in contact with us or are the conspiracy theorists full of shit as usual? One of my friends is entirely convinced of this because there are marines who've claimed sightings and what not but eh I'm really not buying it.

I know this is /x/ tier but we're talking about aliens anyways.

[Anonymous No.8692783]

>>8692704
>marines

Context?

[Anonymous No.8692786]

>>8692182
>Calling God "It"
thats how you end up in hell, buddy

[Anonymous No.8692829]

>>8692783
Just soldiers in general who've seen really weird cap in regards to aliens while on duty. It's not entirely limited to marines though that would be interesting.

[Anonymous No.8692848]

>>8664097

[Anonymous No.8692871]

>>8686145
>or else we'd probably have noticed contact.
people often report contact but obviously they are all wackos right?

[Anonymous No.8692914]

>>8686145
Our tech is not advanced enough, if such species exists we wouldn't be able to detect until our tech catch up.
If any species exists that can FTL or make a wormhole, we are thousands of years behind and who knows what else they can do.

[Anonymous No.8693017]

>>8692848
Our brain is great, sadly we can't even use it fully.
If there are species like us and can use let's say 35% of their brain, they would be thousands and possible millions of years more advanced than we are now.

[Anonymous No.8693021]

>>8693017
>If there are species like us and can use let's say 35% of their brain
did you seriously fall for the "we only use 10% of our brain" meme? you know that's not true right

[Anonymous No.8693048]

>>8692704
I would not invest in that particular realestate either... I mean, anything's possible (possibly), but I canna think of any non utterly fantastical line of logic for stuff like that to happen.

/x/'s aliens in general are so anthropomorphized as to be ridiculous - essentially being humans, yet not. Clearly they are human designed spirits and demons for the technological age. The only real explanations for that which I can possibly think of, is either we're a seeding project they are checking up on in person for odd empathetic reasons, or they are humans from the future fuxing with their own timeline, and don't trust their machines to do it for them for some reason (perhaps a recent Skynet incident). Either of which is far more fantastic than simply space faring intelligent life that wouldn't have such linear commonalities and motives.

[Anonymous No.8693068]

>>8692848
>dat last one

[Anonymous No.8693089]

>>8692871
Yeah, but at the level of tech required to make that sorta trip often in a universe with no FTL, why the hell would you contact a handful of people of no particular import, in person no less? I mean, if you wanted to make contact, at that level of technology, you would make yourself fucking known, ala Arrival or some shit - and indeed, if you were anywhere in the neighborhood, and not trying to avoid being spotted, everyone would know you were passing through, in short order.

...and if you didn't want to be spotted, you never would be. Our resources are of no interest to such a civilization. Even our biology would be a passing curiosity at best, and they probably be able to simulate every possible outcome of it, or near so. They might take one sample, at best, and if they wanted to be sneaky about, no one would ever see it, or ever see the sample again.

Weird shit happens in the sky all the time, and every time it does someone screams "Ayy lamoa". Yet we have more cell phones than people, several times over, security cameras fucking everywhere, and not one good clear picture of a spacecraft or alien.

As for encounters of the third kind and above - the rest of this stuff is just well... Watch Jacob's Ladder or Mysterious Skin. People have been seeing angels, demons, succubi, and what not, since time immemorial, and right around the same time as "men from mars" became popular, they started seeing aliens instead. Go fig.

[Anonymous No.8693091]

>>8692914
Even at sublight speeds, a civilization just a few million years older than ours could have colonized this galaxy a dozen times over, if that's what they really wanted to do.

If FTL is a thing, and they have it, it'd probably means they are less advanced, rather than more, given the extreme resource requirements and engineering they'd need to make interstellar journeys without it.

[Anonymous No.8693266]

>>8693089
>People have been seeing angels, demons, succubi,
But even then those people usually claimed to see such angels, demons, and what not in their dreams or visions. They weren't made out to be these cryptic physical beings sharing our planet and backyard with us the same way aliens are made out to be.

[Anonymous No.8693268]

>>8692704
>>8692829

I have a UFO story. I'm not in the military, never served. I have shared this story a few times on other boards so you may have read it before.

>driving through New Mexico a couple years ago on a road trip with my ex-gf (then-gf, inb4 normie get out reeeee)
>it's 3 AM and we're in the middle of nowhere on I-40
>no other cars around and new moon, our headlights and the stars are the only sources of light
>we're just listening to music and talking when suddenly a wild UFO appears out of nowhere
>bright orange orb at approximately 3 o'clock, it was a few miles ahead of us and pretty high up in the sky
>we both stop talking and just stare at it
>it hovers there for ~10 seconds, then heads down towards the ground in a straight line and pauses again
>hovers there for 15 seconds or so, then darts left to about 12 o'clock
>pauses again, then zooms off towards the horizon in a straight line and disappears out of our line of sight

No funny business happened while the UFO was in the vicinity. The truck, our phones and the music all kept functioning normally. My ex was freaking out for the next hour, convinced we were about to be abducted. I thought it was pretty fucking cool.

Anyways, who knows what it was. I'm leaning towards ayliums because of the way it moved. It was moving way too deliberately and unnaturally to be some environmental thing and it didn't look or move like any aircraft I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.8693271]

>>8664097
I'm 99% sure they're out there somewhere, and 99% sure that humanity will never make contact with any of them (or vice versa). It's entirely possible that most civilizations go extinct long before ever escaping their native star system, and humanity won't be any different.

[Anonymous No.8693312]

>>8693266
Well, if they had been, that would be evidence that maybe those were alien sightings too, or just how the people of the time interpreted their stunning visages (see Childhood's End.)

But of course your delusions are going to follow whatever behavior you expect from the Jungian construct you draw them from. Angels act beatific, demons act demonic, aliens act alien. Sleep paralysis, in particular, always tends to dredge up your worst fear. Freddy Krueger does not rise above your bed and start reading Shakespeare to you (unless maybe your true fear is Robert Englund, and not the character he portrays).


Ya know, I was going to put up an image of a real genuine alien, but meh, "Error: Upload Failed". It's a government conspiracy I tell ya!

[Anonymous No.8693339]

>>8693312
>a real genuine alien
yeah, I bet.

[Anonymous No.8693344]

>>8693339
/thatwasajokeson_foghornleghorn.jpg

Error: Upload Failed seems to be continuing - I think it's just the US servers - possibly only on one coast, judging by the boards with flags. Or, possibly, alien interference. (Illegal alien interference? I hear they are going on strike.)

[Anonymous No.8693383]

>>8693312
I agree with you but all that being said I would still argue alien encounters of today are still described way different than any of the angelic and demonic encounters of back then that I've read about.It's not just a change of what's expected but also where things are encountered. The weird thing about supposed alien encounters is that they seem to be able to take place anywhere. Personal revelations from people in the middle angels could be argued as sleep paralysis, it was never really outdoors or as vague as "I saw a ball of light zoom quickly through the sky- must've been an angel". At least nothing I've read has been so vague.

[Anonymous No.8693409]

>>8693383
People claimed to see angels on mountain tops, on roads, on hills, etc. etc. all over the place (especially in a particularly widely available source). The state of sleeping paralysis, despite the name, is not exclusive to the state of sleep, nor are hallucinations exclusive to sleeping paralysis, and of course, none of these are exclusive to making shit up.

And people have always thought weird shit in the sky was the work of the gods. Constantine marched his troops around the capital for a straight month when Haley's comet came by. People have literally claimed ball lighting were angles. And again, in said same popular source, folks repeatedly claim to receive visions from God this way, and describing all sorts of shit Ufologists claim to be sightings of aliens as angels and whatnot.

>I agree with you but all that being said I would still argue alien encounters of today are still described way different than any of the angelic and demonic encounters of back then
And this sentence I'm pulling out, as it makes no sense to me whatsoever.

You hallucinate dog, it barks.
You hallucinate duck, it quacks.
You hallucinate demon, it pokes you with a pitch fork.
You hallucinate alien, it probes your ass.

Genre affects expectation, expectation affects hallucination (and storytelling). That's basic gestalt, consistent, and suggests these are all manufactured.

On the other hand, it'd be better evidence for aliens, if all these traumatic encounters had something in common. ...or would it?

So, to play devil's advocate - you know what succubi and incubi are famous for repeatedly doing in the old ages? That's right, paralyzing you, holding you down, and cutting into you. (And occasionally probing your ass - though maybe not with a probe.) ...Just, like, the fucking aliens. Sexualized fear response is pretty much universal to the sleep paralysis state, and as the name suggests, you are generally immobilized and helpless.

And look at the morphology of reported aliens.

[Anonymous No.8693430]

>>8693409
I think the most damning thing to /x/ style aliens, is the timing of their emergence.

The first comics regularly involving alien invasion and kidnapping scenarios, were introduced in the 20's and 30's, and featured "little green men from mars" as their antagonists. These were often small, spindly humanoids, with oversized heads, no nose, often with black eyes (though those last two bits were sometimes the artists being lazy). These were based on H.G. Well's descriptions, but colorized green to appeal to children. They became so iconic that the phrase "little green men" entered the lexicon and the form remained popular in such materials for decades onward.

"But anon, they're green", you say, "Grays are gray!"

Guess what was also started to become popular during that era... That's right, black and white movies and television.

Guess what color most people from that era report they dream in - that's right, civilized folks in that era were almost universally colorblind in their dreams. True for most, straight up until children were raised the 70's and 80's era, as color TVs and movies became almost exclusively the norm.

And you can guess what that little green man becomes when you gray-scale the fucker (and I would say pic related, but alas, still broken). Thus the legend began, and by the mid 40's on, people were reporting little Gray alien visitor sightings left and right, with a spike after a popular report in the mid 60's.

Plus, morphology that human is just genetically impossible, even with parallel evolution theories. Those aren't aliens, those are just creepy looking fantasy people derived from a cultural icon.

[Anonymous No.8693613]

>>8689797
dragons have a pretty simple explanation.

People found dinosaur fossils in the good old days too.

[Anonymous No.8693767]

>>8692848
>Aliens' are already here

[Anonymous No.8693841]

>be alien
>metal thing sinks to your thermal vent
>oh fuck aliens
>planet is united in the quest to breach the Roof and find the strange visitors
>after hundreds of years the ice is broken and space travel begins
>however, there's no trace of a suitable underground ocean elsewhere in the system they could have come from
>invent interstellar travel
>crack ice sheets where-ever they are found to spread the Good News and convert new beings to the importance of the quest
>one day the empire known as NASA will be found, and we shall work with them to unite all people, no matter how thick the ice or cool the thermal vents they live at

[Anonymous No.8693854]

>>8693430
What colour were people's dreams before TV was invented?

[Anonymous No.8693884]

>>8693854
probably in full colour as they saw in every day life.

[Anonymous No.8693993]

>>8664097
I highly doubt life exists in the solar system so if we ever find life it will be in thousands of years from now once we start sending out von neuman probes

[Anonymous No.8694011]

>>8664140
>No, we aren't ready for contact.
The fuck does that even mean?
>Deep space probe lands on moon in distant solar system
>spends 6 months taking photos and relaying them back to earth
>A few of the photos reveal an ecosystem made of what appear to be tree/fungi like organisms growing above ground
>15 years later when the photos reach earth NASA shows them to the world
>Mass suicides, nuclear war,everybody defenestrates themselves and lights every building on fire, dogs and cats start living together
>WE WERE NOT READY!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.8694023]

>>8666234
>Will people permanently live under domes?
Sealed underground bunkers that have their own air supplies that they filter and recirculate
Similar situation to current nuke shelters we have on earth.

[Anonymous No.8694050]

>>8694011
>dogs and cats start living together
Kek

[Anonymous No.8694057]

>>8685340
I would fuck the two on the right not so much the ones on the left, call me biased but I prefer my sexual partners to have faces.

[Anonymous No.8694428]

>>8665598
this is the final redpill

[Anonymous No.8694429]

>>8667195
b8 m8

[Anonymous No.8694451]

>>8684831
radiation

[Anonymous No.8694501]

>>8667195
8/10

[Anonymous No.8694506]

>>8667467
Lmao wtf "Ticki gronk rooorp. Lemi niccin boah?" gold op

[Anonymous No.8695981]

>>8689852
HOLY FLIPS

SEVEN "earth-like" PLANETS!

[Anonymous No.8696025]

>>8695981
Neat (and wow, did >>8689912 ever call it.)

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-telescope-reveals-largest-batch-of-earth-size-habitable-zone-planets-around

We're gonna find a thousand of these damn things before the decade's out - which means there's probably tens of billions of them. Jeeze.

[Anonymous No.8696045]

>>8696025
>which means there's probably tens of billions of them.
It'd mean there's tens of billions, in this galaxy alone.

Well, even if there's no aliens on them, at least there's plenty of backup plans around should the whole solar system go to hell.

[Anonymous No.8696070]

>>8678441

[Anonymous No.8696101]

>>8696045
So we could feasible reach say Pluto & make a base there?

[Anonymous No.8696119]

>>8696101
We might be physically capable, someday, but I dunno why'd you bother, unless something really weird happened, or maybe some rich guy had an extreme case of anthropophobia, and/or wanted to reenact Starship Troopers.

[Anonymous No.8696143]

>>8671423
>Not talking about how to get there but how to maintain living there.

They had plants, oxygen tanks, and chemistry in the 1970s too bub.

Wanna know something crazy? Although nobody even dreamed of attempting it, the industries and scientific knowledge were advanced enough that if for some reason the people of the worlf decided colonizing Mars was their primary goal and reason for being it could have been started in the 1940s long before any actual historical spacecraft had been proven.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean people actually do it.

[Anonymous No.8696155]

>>8696025
And none of them have life on them. Makes you think huh

[Anonymous No.8696198]

>>8696155
Can't tell from here... They might all have life on them.

[Anonymous No.8696199]

>>8696198
Wishful thinking

[Anonymous No.8696204]

>>8696199
No, kinda hoping not, as that would be fucking terrifying.

[Anonymous No.8696210]

>>8664097
I am very confident that there are other simple life forms out there. We know that a large percentage of stars have exoplanents, many of them in the habitable zone around their star. Furthermore, we know that there are many solar systems like our own out there, and if a system with a similar chemical composition to our own, of the approximate age of our own, should exist out there, then it's reasonable to assume that a planet which is also in the habitable region around this star should have developed life.

It's not unreasonable to assume that humans are among the most advanced creatures in the universe. First of all, think about the amount of time that life has existed on Earth in terms of the total percentage of the age of the universe. Life is about 3 billion years old, and the universe about 15 billion years old, so life in our Solar System has existed for ~20% of the age of the universe. That's a fairly large percentage considering that time could theoretically last forever.

[Anonymous No.8696212]

>>8696210
Secondly, as far as we know, biochemical reactions requires elements heavier than H or He which are only formed by supernovae. The first generation of stars were though to form within a few hundred million years of the Big Bang and they were thought to have large masses and short lives. These first generation stars ended their careers as supernovae, and the heavier elements that they ejected formed the material for thee second generation of stars.

If you put these two ideas together and you figure that human levels of intelligence would take about 3 billion years to evolve, then you could say that the very earliest alien species that was at least as intelligent as we are could have existed, at the very earliest, seven billion years before life started to evolve on Earth. (If you knew more about the properties of galaxies and were able to argue why the earliest galaxies wouldn't be able to support life as we know it, then you might even be able to argue that this early bound should be moved later in time). Regardless, assuming that time could last forever, we could very well be the among the smartest things in the universe because there simply hasn't been that much time for anything that came before us to evolve further.


>2000 word comment limit

[Anonymous No.8696288]

>>8696210
>>8696212
There's been some odd theories coming up about life being possible in the very early universe (~12-13Ga years ago), as there were pockets with complex matter and ice that were temperate enough for water and amino acids, in some cases possibly remaining so even without even stars remaining around them. If life formed underground, trapped in such masses and thus protected from radiation, it might thrive. As to whether such critters gave rise to intelligent life and a star faring civilization, and if it is still around, well...

Given that things aren't going to start getting dimmer for about 800 billion years, and star formation probably isn't go cease for about 100 trillion years, we're quite a bit earlier than the first 20%. However, even if the first life forms started showing up only say 5Ga years ago, and even if intelligent life is so rare that you only find it maybe, on average, once or twice per galaxy, we'd still be among at least hundreds of billions of intelligent life forms in the universe, so it wouldn't exactly make us unique.

If intelligent life much more common than that, then you're looking trillions of civilizations much more advanced than ours, some of which maybe in the same galaxy.

>>8696198
And if that's the case, you better damned well hope that there are some extremely benign, police-force minded aliens out there, who developed really early, and lay down the law in this galaxy with some serious head-start technology, or yeah, we're fucked. Hopefully, if there are any aliens out there, there aren't very many in the galaxy, and if they are ahead of us by however many million years, they aren't particularly ambitious or preemptively hostile. Given that we haven't spotted any superstructures, and we aren't already colonized, there's hope for that still.

[Anonymous No.8696311]

>>8672744
> Why would an advanced space-faring civilization need or want slaves?

This. As of 2017, humans already have very simple robots who can vacuum floors, drive vehicles in controlled environments, and haul pallets of bricks for masons. In a few hundred years, it's reasonable to assume that we'll have robots who can pick fruit and clean sewers. Secondly, if a space-faring civilization discovered us, it would mean that they are many millions or even billions of years ahead of us, and that therefore they have had time to discover many other civilizations before us, so we'd just be another unremarkable species. Finally, they would probably be able to clone obedient slaves if they really wanted biological servants.

I think they'd either leave us alone, examine us, or simply exterminate us, but I don't think we'd be enslaved.

[Anonymous No.8696336]

>>8696288
> (~12-13Ga years ago),
> were temperate enough for water and amino acids
Would this have been the brief period when the background temperature of the universe was just above freezing? There's no way that period would have lasted long enough for anything complicated to evolve. They also make a big deal over water and amino acids but they never mention that trace amounts of transition metals are equally important for carbon-based life. These metals are necessary to perform certain red-ox reactions.


>and star formation probably isn't go cease for about 100 trillion years, we're quite a bit earlier than the first 20%
I meant to say that life has only existed for 20% of the total amount of time that the universe has existed (and not that 15 billion years is 20% of the universe).

[Anonymous No.8696359]

It's taken about 5 billion years for intelligent (us) life to develop life on Earth. It'll take about 5 billion years for Earth to no longer support that life. So, it took half of Earth's lifespan to produce us, and we have less than half of it left to find our way elsewhere.

If we assume intelligent life elsewhere in the universe thrives on Earth-like planets, we can use this model for them. Pretty sure the running estimate for Earth-like planets in our galaxy is around 1 billion.

We were pretty lucky. Life on Earth started developing basically as soon as conditions allowed for it to. In some cases, the lifespan of a planet may not allow for intelligent life to develop, or for that life to find a way into the stars. At this point there's no way to estimate that, so let's go with a worst-case scenario and assume we were super lucky- something like 0.5% of earth-like planets develop intelligent life that leaves the planet. That's still 5 million space faring groups of intelligent life.

If we consider the age of the galaxy, about 13 billion years, we can see that intelligent life in the galaxy could've developed as long as 7 billion years ago, using the 5 billion number.

I'd say it's very likely there is and has been for some time intelligent life in the galaxy. Said galaxy is pretty enormous, and since we have no idea of how to traverse it at all, it's not unrealistic to assume that even a civilization billions of years old hasn't managed to find our corner just yet.

Further, we're in a comparatively sparse and distant part of the galaxy, as opposed to the much more star-populated centre.

We're much, much closer to the start of the universe than the end. It could be that intelligent life anywhere in the galaxy or universe hasn't had enough time to find other intelligent life yet. But I think it will, eventually.

[Anonymous No.8696369]

>>8696336
Well, I never put much stock in the early universe life theory, but there would be complex metals around. Big stars were forming and exploding much more commonly that far back, lots of them with lives under 10K years, popping out minor rainbows of elements with each cycle. At the same time, that does rather limit the time that these trapped lifeforms had to survive, in addition to the rapid cooling of the universe. On the other hand, just because it took 3Ga years here, doesn't mean it can't happen faster or slower, and it is about a 3Ga year period we're speaking of.

>I meant to say that life has only existed for 20% of the total amount of time that the universe has existed
Muh bad, somehow conjoined that with the "time could theoretically last forever" line, triggering muh autism. Point still stands though - whole lotta other planets out there during that same period. We may be among the first, but there's a whole lotta company in that running, at least when speaking of the entire universe. Further, we probably aren't the very first, by perhaps by few billion years, and given how far we've gone in the past 10,000 years alone, even a similar species with only a million years on us is going to be unimaginably beyond anything we've thought of... Assuming they haven't offed themselves as a result.

[Anonymous No.8696375]

>>8696359
>Pretty sure the running estimate for Earth-like planets in our galaxy is around 1 billion

This figure sounds off to me.

[Anonymous No.8696390]

>>8696375
If anything, it's higher, given the number we've found close to us already with our limited means, and the sheer number of stars. Stars with planets seem to be the rule already, and it's beginning to look like stars with Earth like planets may be more common than those without.

>>8696359
>intelligent life in the galaxy could've developed as long as 7 billion years ago, using the 5 billion number.
Well, some of the more conservative estimates restrict the Milky Way life supporting status to the past 8 billion years, which leaves maybe a 3 billion year leeway.

It's bad enough we don't have any good way to stick a number on the likelihood of life itself (and only a vague guess on the number of life sustaining planets). What's worse, is it's much harder stick a number on intelligent life and technological civilizations. It did take a huge series of societal miracles to come together to bring us to where we are now, in addition to the natural ones, any one of without which could have left us to stagnate for a lot longer, if not permanently. On the other hand, maybe some of these civilizations developed quicker, or even had help from those who were ahead of them and space faring already.

[Anonymous No.8696406]

>>8696375
>>8696390
After a bit of research, it looks like there are an estimated 40 billion planets in our galaxy that satisfy the conditions of: from one to two times the mass of Earth, and in an orbit of 200-400 Earth days. So, even assuming the majority of these do not have life sustaining components like a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere or water, I'm pretty satisfied with my 1 billion number.

>>8696390
Now that's dipping into philosophy. Were those things that brought us where we are really miracles? Or would we have managed without them? Would they really have had a relevant effect on the time of our development? Keep in mind that we're talking 5 billion years. Several hundred thousand years longer to wait for Einstein or recover from a global war is nothing but a rounding error.

The only miracle I think is relevant is the actual start of life. Once it's in motion, and provided it doesn't get completely obliterated (which seems pretty hard to do), all that matters is whether or not intelligent life can escape its solar system before their 5 billion years is up. Something we really have no way to estimate, but can guess at to satisfy our curiosity.

If 0.05% sounds still too high, drop it down to 0.001% of life supporting planets develop intelligent life that survives its planet's death. That's still a million galactic neighbours.

[Anonymous No.8696407]

>>8696359
I'm kinda hoping "The Great Filter" is a requirement that one must abandon the instinct for perpetual growth that seems to be core to the nature of non-sapient life. That, in order to reach the stars before you run out of the resources to do so, or ruin your biosphere collecting them, you must put an end to that need.

If that's the case, there could be a whole lot of space faring races in our galaxy, and we'd still be fairly safe. They'd probably all be biologically immortal (if not mechanically converted) and thus have a population cap, and that probably happened before they became a space faring civilization. That means they probably wouldn't colonize more than a handful of systems (just enough to ensure their civilization couldn't be wiped out by a single cosmological disaster). Such civilizations would be extremely efficient, with no need for stellar megastructures, and wouldn't have any interest in our stuff, and thus, would probably leave us with plenty of stars to claim for ourselves.

And if that's a universal rule for space faring life, they might not even feel threatened by our existence.

This is actually preferable to the chance that intelligent life is just rare, because just one more ahead of us or parallel to us, should this not be the rule, is rather dangerous.

[Anonymous No.8696417]

>>8684941
Isn't the petty orange man the first president in a while that focuses on space travel

Isn't his major plan to start space mining asteroids to create a mineral monopoly for the United states

Fuck you

[Anonymous No.8696419]

>>8696407
A little off topic, but you bring up some interesting ideas.
Perpetual growth is the thing that keeps us learning about our environment and the universe, developing tools and science to further discover it. Maybe the future isn't to use less resources, but to be able to replenish those resources faster than you deplete them- otherwise I think our development would slow.

Enforced population capacity might not be necessary. The latest population estimates for Earth actually predict we will slow down our population growth, and eventually stop altogether. The trend for developing cultures is to have many babies because it's likely some will die off. But the trend for developed cultures, like North America, is to have few babies because they probably won't die. People are also having babies later in life in developed cultures. Presuming that eventually all of Earth will reach a state of universally-reasonable state of living and development, we might actually need to worry about population decline as couples only have one child or none at all.

[Anonymous No.8696432]

>>8696406
Edit: I did a dumb. 0.001% of 1 billion is 100 thousand. Still though, that's a lot of space people.

[Anonymous No.8696442]

>>8696406
>Were those things that brought us where we are really miracles?
Well, think of where we'd be now if the Black Death hadn't happened, for instance. If people hadn't suddenly come into a flood of inherited cash - if they hadn't in turn all started wearing linens (even the poor folk started wearing undies)... Once those linens wore out, the only thing of value anyone could think to do with them was recycle them into paper. The value paper went down, because that was way too much to use. But all that cash had made jewelers popular as well, and they started making stamps for promissory notes, which became popular, because banking got popular, again because of all that extra cash. Then some jeweler realized you could start rearranging these stamps on a press and... Walla, printing press -> Renaissance -> Industrial Revolution.

Any one of those things, might not have happened and broken that chain.

Meanwhile, in another place entirely (that I won't name because /pol/ will come in here), mankind barely ever gets beyond making mud huts. Now, of course, they got co opted and eventually "uplifted" by the printing press guys, but it goes to show, under different circumstances, a similar species may never had advanced.

Then look at the first 100,000 years or so of human history before the Holocene. During nearly that whole time, they had all the elements for civilization at their fingertips: Tools, fire, agriculture, social structure, and shelter building. Yet, civilization didn't happen - not until the last 10K years or so.

I think once you've hit something like an industrial revolution coupled with a scientific one, advancement becomes inevitable (barring self extinction). But, even if you're intelligent, even if you're human, it seems it's entirely possible to stagnate indefinitely, barring a perfect storm of events.

[Anonymous No.8696457]

Well what if the end game for civilizations itsnt space travel but rather a next level of universe or dimension

Once a civilization reachs a peak point they would naturally understand the essence of what dark matter is and have a way to remove it and go past the mass that makes up a universe

So rather then go outward to colonize they instead go inward past whatever makes up the universe and reach a second universe?

[Anonymous No.8696458]

>>8696442
I disagree, actually. I think human development's biggest driver is our numbers- if someone doesn't think of something, someone else certainly will with a bit of extra time. I'd propose that your chain of events there is not a miracle, but an unavoidable series of events that would happen no matter what- perhaps slightly differently, perhaps in a little more time, but the trend of intelligent life on Earth since the dawn of time has always been to improve technology. We've just gotten a lot better at it lately.

As far as Africa goes, I believe the running theory is that the geography of Europe (harsh climate, low resources) versus Africa's (perfect climate for humans, many resources) had the big factor in driving technological development. But even still, mud huts are technology, so I don't believe any human culture on Earth would stagnate indefinitely.

With that in mind, maybe it could take ten million, or a hundred million, or a billion more years for intelligent life to develop to where we are now, and we got lucky. But if we look back to the 5 billion year clock, the difference between these numbers is negligible.

[Anonymous No.8696472]

>>8696419
Well I'm not an Agenda 21 supporter, but even if population growth were to stop now, we'd run out resources for fancy toys within the millennia, especially after the developing countries develop. Yes, we'll get better at recycling, and maybe slow that usage (although, as you pointed out, slowing that usage will put a cramp in advancement), but probably we'll never be able to recycle everything, or do so, even if we could. We could probably maintain the population indefinitely, but only at a basic level of comfort - no more of "the fancy latest thing" driving consumerism and technology.

Now, running out resources gives you yet another reason to go into space, but the problem is, space travel is about the most resource intensive operation imaginable. So every sci-fi that begins with "Earth's resources were running out - thus mankind bravely went into space to colonize new worlds!" kinda breaks immersion for me.

Now, it maybe with CRISPR and various other technologies and cultural engineering, we may be able to make humans use a lot less resources, and breed a lot less, even if they live a lot longer - so there's no need for a "great culling". That may, in the end, reduce the population a merciful fashion - though we would have to fundamentally change our economic model for it to do so. As it is now, a shrinking population is a slow economic doom for the nation so afflicted.

Of course, once you've hit biological immortality, you have absolutely no choice but to cap your population - but all that extended lifespan means more honed and retained knowledge.

[Anonymous No.8696483]

>>8664097
>10percent
they are 100percent out there OP
absolutely fucking statistically certain so solid you can't even

>would it benefit to contact
for anything at our psychological level or higher - no
aliens are more likely to be absolutely no-bullshit and be glad to wipe out our planet of fucking lying pieces of shit and wouldn't that be just terrible for everyone's batshit egotistical fantasyworld they currently enjoy
we are more likely to find unintelligent life as anything evolving intelligence will likely go through a stupid psychotic stage like humanity and thus probably never leave their shithole planet either

[Anonymous No.8696490]

>>8696458
>(harsh climate, low resources)/(perfect climate for humans, many resources)
If anything life was harder for that continent - though that might be true of those in the new world.

It wasn't just that though - that perfect storm only happened in the west. The east and the middle east had the potentials for something similar, but mostly because they were already trading with them (which is yet another link in the west's sinuous chain to success). Everywhere else in the world not so connected (not just that place I don't wanna name) stagnated, including several places much harsher. They never got anywhere close, and for all we can tell, never would have.

...and again, ~100,000 years of having everything required for civilization, and never figuring out how to put it together, says something.

I don't think civilization is like the game of the same name. I think it is actually entirely possible for a people never to reach a certain level, even if their survival requires that they do, and that it does rather take a series of miracles for that sorta change to happen.

Still, things could have been slightly different in our genetic makeup to make it much more likely that we would. We might have been slightly more cooperative, slightly longer living, slightly better and sharing and conveying information, and all those slightlies, or some similar ones, might have made us all technologically evolve exponentially faster.

So it could go either way, but what I'm really trying to say here is... We just no frigging idea how likely you are to go from life, to intelligent life, to civilized life, to space faring life. At least when trying to figure the conditions for just life, we have some idea as to the chemicals and conditions required for it to be sustained. For the rest, well, we just can't seem to agree even on the most basic fundamentals required.

[Anonymous No.8696506]

>>8696311
>I think they'd either leave us alone, examine us, or simply exterminate us, but I don't think we'd be enslaved.
I think the only scenario in which aliens might enslave us, is one in which FTL travel is both a thing, and a fairly simple, low resource usage thing, that we're just missing due to some fundamental oversight. Much like we were missing primitive flight up until a century ago, despite the fact that we've had the materials to build gliders and maybe even hot air balloons since antiquity, and they would have been a great advantage to any civilization that built them. (You can say something similar of railroads - save that flight is an obvious advantage, and even had applications that they were fantasising and writing about.)

That FTL exists and would be like that seems unlikely, but if it is the case, then yeah, they may have a reason to enslave you and have you extract resources on their behalf. On the plus side, much like pic related, they may not be all that much more advanced than you. Maybe you could even learn from them and fight them.

But in a universe without FTL - no, you're either dead without ever seeing them, ignored or perhaps set aside as a preservation (with perhaps a few unfortunate samples taken), or "uplifted" (which is potentially not as good as it sounds). Any civilization regularly traveling en mass at relativistic speeds simply does not have natural resource or labor shortages.

[Anonymous No.8696518]

>>8696483
>they are 100percent out there OP
Bull fucking shit. If life was as easy to create as scientists theorize there should be thousands if not hundreds of thousands of intelligent civilizations in our galaxy alone. And yet we have absolutely no proof of any intelligent species but our own. There might be microbial life, of course, but intelligent life is so rare to the point that humans might be the only sapient species in the universe.

[Anonymous No.8696522]

>>8696457
There's a reason you've been ignored, but stop watching Dr. Who (or at least stop taking it seriously).

For starters, neither dimensions nor dark matter work that way.

As for other universes, if there are an infinite number of them, energy exchange (or travel) between them has to be impossible. Otherwise, there would be an infinite amount of energy passing through our universe, and everyone would be cooked.

If there's a finite number of alternate universes, and travel between them is possible, eh, it maybe a thing, but it wouldn't make a difference to the discussion at hand, save that it might increase the odds of an alien encounter. But, given the size of this universe, unless these interconnected life supporting universes are a whole lot more common than life supporting planets and travel between them is simple, it wouldn't really change the numbers enough to affect the chances.

It's also a lot harder to speculate about, as we know nothing of the possibility of other universes (most of the widely accepted cosmology theories say no), also next to no theories at all as to how they might be traveled between (the few we have pointing to it being either impossible for hell-a-difficult), and most importantly, we have absolutely no way of imagining what they might be like without simply assuming that every universe is very much like our own.

[Anonymous No.8696528]

>>8696518
>we are more likely to find unintelligent life as anything evolving intelligence will likely go through a stupid psychotic stage like humanity and thus probably never leave their shithole planet either
I think he was suggesting a Great Filter prevents nearly all of them from becoming space faring.

Even if that's not the case, if they don't expand indefinitely, if they cap their populations and resource usage before they strike out among the stars, and if that's indeed a requirement for the ability to do so... Even if they were fairly common, we might not spot them - not even if they were among the closest stars to us. No need for megastructures, no ruined atmospheres, and really, no signs of anything we could currently hope to spot.

Before you say 'radio waves' - inverse square - no one beyond the orbit of Jupiter is picking up any of our broadcasts, save the ones from SETI, and only if they are directly in their path. (And given the history of life on Earth, active SETI seems a rather suicidal program, so it's unlikely anyone else is doing something similar nearby.)

[Anonymous No.8696530]

>Alien race builds advanced robotics and Superintelligent AI, because why wouldn't any sufficiently advanced civilization?
>Machines decide that alien race's atoms can be put to more efficient use and wipe them out.
In this scenario with nothing to stop the machines from self-improving indefinitely, wouldn't they just eventually spread across the universe? It seems reasonable that any spacefaring entities would just be self-sufficient machines.

While we're at it we might as well go full-crackpot.
>Superintelligent machines eventually simulate a universe (ours) to see if they can cause their own genesis

[Anonymous No.8696533]

>>8696506
> be Aliens
> FTL travel causes body's to deteriorate
> Fuel is needed for FTL and requires large industrial process
> could have robots on board to do mining and processing material but would make the ships fuck huge and uneconomical
> Easiest thing to do is enslave populations to make mining facilities to make big gallactic petrol stations

[Anonymous No.8696543]

>>8696530
Well, like I suggested yonder (>>8696407) they may, like their creators, have no reason to spread indefinitely. Further, just by sheer logic, they would know that would eventually doom them as they used the galaxy up. So even mechanical life forms, likely, would stop expanding beyond a few solar systems - just enough be sure they last at least long as the galaxy itself. After that, the only you way you can ensure your survival longer is to either leave the galaxy or the universe (or otherwise start fuxing with fundamental laws of physics, if such a thing is possible).

What I would be worried about - and this seem a bit comical - is advertising robots, designed so spread indefinitely and as fast as possible. I mean, look at the state of the internet, and how many old forums are dead and filled with nothing but bots. Imagine the physical interstellar version of that. We may be visited by a giant billboard for alien viagra, from a long dead civilization, than in turn starts cannibalizing our solar system to make more signs.

The other all-destructive possibility is non-sapient spacefaring lifeforms. These may travel from star to star, without heed to the inevitable future consequences of their unending spread, spreading seeds everywhere they go. One of our global extinction events is thought to be caused by a run-away ocean bacteria bloom that in turn changed the climate. Star traveling whales or what not might have much the same effect, and have no motivators to develop the intelligence to know better. But, at least, maybe we could cull those in the Great Space Whale hunt (lead by Star Captain Ahab).

[Anonymous No.8696549]

>>8696533
Well, if you had FTL, and you knew that, you wouldn't leave without the resources or a way to acquire them. Maybe if they are a small group of desperate alien criminals on the run though.

Granted, while non-FTL aliens would probably never enslave you, they might still need some resources - just beyond imagining. This could result in bad things, like a epic non-FTL species that just forces the collapse of a star once in awhile to refuel - and it just happens to be ours. Ain't dick you gonna be able to do about it though. Ships like that aren't even going to notice nukes.

[Anonymous No.8696553]

>>8696543
Any such life-forms would know a sufficient amount about the way the universe works to understand that a few stars is not enough.

>First we needed a new planet
>Then we needed a new system because the last planet was due to be destroyed by its star
>Then we needed a new galaxy because that one was going to ruin
>Then we needed a new universe because that one was approaching heat-death
>???

Any life-form that doesn't have time as its relentless enemy will see all of these things happen. It doesn't matter if it would take billions of years if it's an intelligence that's already been around for millions.

I've all but given up on these kinds of What-Ifs really. The only logical conclusion is that our reality/existence as we understand it is complete fucking improbable nonsense.

[Anonymous No.8696554]

>>8696533
Actually it'd be more like
>be Aliens
>Find some way to travel FTL even though that's physically impossible
>Disappear from existence because there's no way of knowing "when" to stop or "when" you even are as time loses all meaning and measurement.

[Anonymous No.8696557]

>>8696553
Yeah, that's true... Maybe, more plausibly, they set up giant solar arrays that kugelblitz black holes for them (currently popular as a relativistic starship power source). No harm done to the star that way, but it may fuck with us a lot. Now, we might be able to interfere with that by tossing nukes at the constructors - but they might decide it's easier to wipe us out, rather than bother to move their project over a bit. (And it probably would be.)

[Anonymous No.8696562]

>>8696554
Until about maybe 60 years ago, there were people still alive who remembered a time before we realized the speed of light might be the maximum speed. I wouldn't be so certain it can't be bypassed (we even have some tenuous theories on that, good enough that we spend money on), and it can certainly be mitigated.

Given the time frames involved though, even non-FTL aliens may run into us, and, were they bent on infinite expansion, could have colonized this entire galaxy several times over, which gives us the Fermi paradox to begin with.

[Anonymous No.8696566]

>>8696562
Oops, thought >>8696553 was in reply to >>8696549 ... So in that case, yeah, you're making my point - but the billboard scenario was just intended to be example of non-sapient run-away galaxy destroying technology.

But space whales don't need to know dick - they only need to be able to find the next nearest star.

Sapient aliens aren't likely to colonize everything they can for the reasons we both suggest. But they may search for potential threats, and preemptively wipe them out, regardless of how distant the time before they can become threats is.

[Anonymous No.8696573]

>>8696553
Time is a relentless enemy to all continuing life, immortal or not, as the universe only has so much time in it. Every species will buy itself as much time as it can. But infinite expansion accelerates that inevitable death greatly, so eventually you will slow or stop, and start looking into ways to avoid what seems to be inevitable to us now.

I suppose sticking yourself inside a particularly large event horizon, which *may* be possible, buys you quite a bit of time - but you probably can't get out again, and may not be able to apply any discoveries you make about altering physics to save the universe from inside there.

...and there's always Fermi paradox solution #421b - that you make another universe (theoretically possible) and somehow transfer to it (not so much so).

[Anonymous No.8696593]

>>8696573
This - all the aliens are inside supermassive black hole Sagittarius-A, at the center of the galaxy. Mind you, I dunno how you get in there, as it isn't exactly a "calm" event horizon, but at least it's not a quasar and is in reach... That would up the time you had from ~800 billions years, to somewhere between 10 duodecillion and 1 googol years before your corner of the universe unraveled.

Or the timeline for the death of the universe is much tighter than we think, because we are living in a False Vacuum, or some such. Since that would mean you could never know when the universe is going to disintegrate (could be right no-!), as soon as the civilization measures the top quark and discovers this (just need a super-huge collider), they use that same tech to spawn another universe, and, somehow, bugger off to it.

Thus, we're safe from any spacefaring aliens that could squash us like bugs - maybe.

[Anonymous No.8697121]

>>8665598
pfffffff

[Anonymous No.8697264]

>>8693993
>von neuman probes
Frimmin on the frim fram
Frimmin on the fram

[Anonymous No.8697267]

>>8694011
>dogs and cats start living together
I got this reference

[Anonymous No.8697308]

>>8696490
Whats the place you don't wanna name

[Anonymous No.8697407]

>>8696593
>[Aliums hiding in black holes to delay heat death or exiting the universe to escape False Vacuum]
Here's a stupid question (which I'd post in /sqt/ except it's not a math question)... What happens to black holes in the case of a Vacuum Metastability Event?

I've read the energy level would drop to the degree where nothing more complex than a hydrogen molecule will hold together, and basically uncouple everything in the higgs field, but does that affect whatever's behind an event horizon?

Bit off topic, but maybe that event horizon would kill two birds with one stone, if transferring to a created universe isn't possible, which I suppose would do the same.

[Anonymous No.8697453]

>>8664097
>>8664140
sorry but aliens are a hollywood fantasy.

we are the center of the universe. that deep desire that you are special is because you are because you are Gods creation above is others. Lucifer is the one that tells you that you are spinning on a "baal" created from randomness and life is meaningless. This is the very opposite of the truth. The earth is fixed, you are not random and you were sent here so that you can refine your spirituality and KNOW each other before judgment comes and you can be allowed to live in a higher plane where thought and intention is powerful.

You see, after being kicked out of the garden, adam and eve were stripped of higher sight and the visions of angels and gods inner workings became invisible, partly due to the flesh of the eye being limited. Satan and the angels was allowed to manifest in human form until the flood happened. The god stripped them away of that power like an Admin that fixed an exploit in a video game. Now lucifer only can possess. Aliens are a manifestation of that intent to make people believe that we are not special.

[Anonymous No.8697487]

>>8696522
I've never watched that show

But there's differences in what space actually is

The theory im going with is that space is the lowest form of energy

You can easily say that Dark Matter has no Micro-structure and assume it as fact

But if a civilization knows that if supernova and gamma-ray bursts is basically the end of your civilization then the logical conclusion would be to adapt to something that would be immune to predicament such as that

Change the matter of yourself into dark matter to achieve a higher level of being or universe

For all we know humans can be observing ayy lamo's all the time but just simply have no way to interact with them

[Anonymous No.8697488]

>>8697267

[Anonymous No.8697532]

Fermi Paradox doesn't exist
Most life simply arises from the most abundant type of matter in our universe -dark matter. Something we can't directly observe. But it works in reverse from an alien perspective. Why would you assume that intelligent life is common for the small portion of the universe that is made up of "exotic" ( for them, for us it's just normal ) matter?

-Humanity- is that weird alien species that comes from that strange and unfathomable dimension. Ironically though it means that we were able to develop in peace without alien interference.

[Anonymous No.8697563]

>>8678474
>when we see it.
>when
>>8684831
>>8684833
>>8694451
NEVER EVER

[Anonymous No.8697605]

>>8697487
Few things...

There are, potentially, lower energy levels than space. (Or, maybe more accurate to say, at another level, space could have less potential energy.)

Dark Matter is non-baryonic matter that either never bound or decoupled from the electromagnetic field. It is thus, basically, invisible matter. It still reacts gravimetrically, and, aside from a few other weird things a lack of interaction with EMF and strong force causes, acts like normal matter, save in its simplicity. It is not "the stuff between universes".

>[adapt to supernova and gamma-ray bursts]
For a strong enough gamma ray threat, there's no practical way to protect an entire planet that we can theorize about - magnetic fields coupled with plasma will only take you so far. You can go underground for most, but that's about it. If your star supernovas, yer just completely boned. Only option is not to be around when it does (and make no plans on coming back until new stars form).

>[Change yourself into dark matter]
Ah, that sci-fi... Dark matter has no microstructures, without EM and strong force interaction it is restricted to being very simple stuff and extremely spread to boot, and only reacts with itself through gravity and weak force. Additionally, under certain circumstances, it self-annihilates. You can't build molecules nor sustain life that way.

Unlike dark energy, it isn't more or less spread evenly throughout the universe - it should be everywhere to some degree, but most of it is chunks in the "inky blackness between galaxies". Around here, we're talking maybe a particle per centimeter, which makes it a pain to find something that may already be impossible to directly observe.

So, far all those reasons, no, there's no dark matter aliens. At best, the gravitational lensing dark matter causes might be hiding some galaxies where aliens may be. Turning yourself into dark matter would be the same as turning yourself into some sorta unreactive hydrogen cloud - ie. dead.

[Anonymous No.8697620]

>>8697605
>Dark matter has no Microstructure

Prove it

[Anonymous No.8697636]

>>8697620
Well, if it's non-baryonic, it can't.

If it's baryonic, then it isn't really dark matter anymore - we'd be able to see it.

[Anonymous No.8697652]

>>8665451
>point in the correct direction and engage rocket engines

nigga you need to kerbal more.... orbital mechanics are one hell of a drug...

[Anonymous No.8697702]

>>8697636
Well that's not necessarily the case, it could have a micro structure that we simply can't observe due to not having the proper equipment for higher then available magnification

You can't definitively say it has no mass if you have nothing to observe what the mass is

Heck we only know the fact that 2 massless particles even exist only since 2015

If Gluons with no mass can form a Glueball with mass then the same can be said for something like a blackhole which can also form from no mass to have something that has mass

And if it has mass then it has a microstructure and thus would be Baryonic

[Anonymous No.8697738]

>>8697702
The only to form a microstructure, with no strong force, would mean there was some other field involved we've never had theories of, that doesn't react with any other matter or particle. That would make the stuff a whole lot more exotic. Physics proposed that some matter would be disconnect from some fields well before the idea of dark matter. Adding fields that only work with dark matter, and nothing else, just so it can do something we can't observe seems a bit odd.

It has mass, that's only thing we can say definitively about it, because that's only thing we can detect it by so far - the effect its gravity has on regular matter.

But gravity doesn't get you microstructures - unless you count collapsing into a singularity.

[Anonymous No.8697752]

>>8697702
>>8697738
Maybe this would clarify the problem. No strong, no EM = no molecular or atomic structure - just particles.

[Anonymous No.8697762]

>>8697738
Well if it has mass then it has some form of physical property that exists and if it has a physical property then it should by definition have a microstructure

If we can't observe the mass directly and only by how it effects others it doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't have some mass or a microstructure but only that we can't identify what the actual mass is

Am I wrong for thinking that?

[Anonymous No.8697815]

>>8697762
The fact that it has mass in the distribution that it does, and we can't see it, or see it react to anything in any way save gravity (heat/cold etc), leads to the conclusion that previous theories that non-baryonic particles might exist, are true, and they in fact make up a good chunk of the mass of the universe.

^ Lemme try another pic...

See, to have atomic structures, with the four forces we have available, you need both strong and EM forces causing differently charged particles to form fairly fixed bonds that simultaneously attract and repel when close nit, prevent them from Pauli Excluding. Otherwise, gravity will simply cause the particles to orbit nearly endlessly - they won't bond or crystallize and, so long as there's any entropy in the universe and they don't run into a black hole, they will continue to wander about in rough clouds, never forming anything. Among particles of with this nature, positive and negative particles, when they forced to meet to the point of exclusion, should self-annihilate, but this should rarely happen and more or less requires one or more supermassive baryonic sources. Nonetheless gamma ray bursts are one of the methods we are using to search for them - and there's some theories running about that this is the reason quasars put off so much more energy than they should be capable of (forcing dark matter annihilation in their accretion discs), and why some black holes are so damned big.

[Anonymous No.8698479]

.. so, guys, did someone post a photo of a real ayy on /pol/ yesterday?

[Anonymous No.8698973]

>>8698479
bump