Race/Sex Differences in Cognitive Ability:

[Anonymous No.8656699]

Please no /pol/ or libtard nonsense guys; I hear enough political bickering on the college campus.

I was watching an interview with Charles Murray a few days ago and he commented that cognitive differences between races and gender will become undeniable within 3 years; meaning that the scientific data will become overwhelming and political agendas wont be able to suppress the discussion anymore.
He even comments that there will be astounding levels of cognitive dissonance.

But, more interestingly, he says the data is already available if you know where to look.
Are there any biologists here that can point me in the right direction?
I know the genome hasn't been decoded entirely yet, but where would one follow the research on these topics?

tl;dr: Race/sex differences in cognitive ability; where to find the data?

[Anonymous No.8656702]

3 years seems an oddly specific amount of time.

[Anonymous No.8656703]

>>8656699

Sup /pol/

We were just talking about you.

Also, you have to go back

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.8656706]

>>8656702
Kek, I laughed a bit to myself when he said 'about three years.'

Here's the interview if you want to have a look at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpdM-Q4b4Hs&t=3363s

[Anonymous No.8656708]

>>8656703
I swear, if /pol/ shows up, let the mods ban them; I want to find our more about this subject. I'm a mathematics student, not a pollack

[Anonymous No.8656711]

>>8656699
when you say libtard are you talking about retarded libertarians?

[Anonymous No.8656712]

>>8656706
It will take exactly 3 years to finally everyone admitting that there is no large enough existing framework and too much work to be done, for any dependently typed setting with univalent semantics to produce anything valuable within 13 years.

[Anonymous No.8656716]

> where to find data?
the internet......

"The paper that supports the conventional wisdom is Jensen, A. R., & Reynolds, C. R. (1983). It finds that females have a 101.41 mean IQ with a 13.55 standard deviation versus males that have a 103.08 mean IQ with a 14.54 standard deviation. "
googled this in 10 seconds sooooo....

[Anonymous No.8656718]

>>8656708

Dude the only people that give a fuck about this data are racists with inherent biases, trying to rationalize their shitty beliefs.

That's literally the only reason you give a fuck about this instead of getting laid, doing mathematics, and finding booze like normal math undergrads.

Just fuck off

[Anonymous No.8656720]

>>8656699
Considering Charles Murray isn't even a biologist why do you think he has access to privileged biological research?

[Anonymous No.8656722]

>>8656699
>I was watching an interview with Charles Murray a few days ago

Care to link?

[Anonymous No.8656725]

>>8656711
liberals not libertarians

[Anonymous No.8656726]

>>8656718
>Dude the only people that give a fuck about this data are racists with inherent biases, trying to rationalize their shitty beliefs.
I dunno, maybe employers labelled discriminatory for not employing enough black people, despite trying, would find something of value in such findings.

Barking words like "racist" at things like this is precisely the kind of flapping, intellectual dishonesty that is the problem.

Just because you don't want something to be (because it conflicts with your own dogmatic ideals) doesn't make it vanish.

[Anonymous No.8656727]

daily reminder women play in their own chess leagues because they can't even play board games at the same level as men

[Anonymous No.8656734]

>>8656725
>>8656711

>retarded libertarian
yeah i head libtards being used that context too

[Anonymous No.8656735]

>>8656711
Why not, I don't care.

>>8656712
>>8656722
The link to 'about three years' comment is here:
>>8656706

>>8656716
I had a hard time searching for this sort of data on google scholar. I'm looking for genome-related studies and where a person could find ethnic-specific or sex-specific studies.
My problem is that it is hard to find direct info about the specific things I'm interested in. It's not just bell-curves, but genetic and biological differences I'm looking for.

>>8656720
He's an extremely high-level academic. I'm sure he follows all of this data and has friends in the fields in question.
Don't be snarky because you're touchy about IQ

>>8656718
I'm Irish. As a group we have a low IQ. I'm confident in myself and I don't feel touchy about the subject and want to know more about ethnic differences in intelligence. IT'S NOT BLACK/WHITE. God, I hate how American politics poisons every fucking thing

[Anonymous No.8656737]

>>8656716
>citing a paper from 1983

Seriously nigga? Here is a study with a sample size ~15,000 showing no statistically significant difference in intelligence or difference in variance in intelligence between the sexes.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616301003

[Anonymous No.8656743]

>>8656735
If that information existed you would have found it already.

[Anonymous No.8656745]

>>8656699
mummy

[Anonymous No.8656746]

>>8656726
how about we just treat people as individuals instead you fucking moron

or i don't know, maybe in your deranged fantasy world you would do something really stupid like deport all people with below average iq
say goodbye to your family then eh

[Anonymous No.8656750]

>>8656699
>Please no /pol/ or libtard nonsense guys;'
Repped and saged

In advance, all polfags should stop posting here and ruining other boards.

[Anonymous No.8656751]

>>8656746
>how about we just treat people as individuals instead you fucking moron
Because when employers do that they get accused of discrimination. If it's not the employer discriminating, then something is. Maybe genes. Maybe socialisation. Maybe something else. But shouldn't we find out?

You flipping doofus.

[Anonymous No.8656752]

>>8656726

You're making some big assumptions that I don't believe in racial differences.

The point is that the data doesn't MATTER. And giving businesses more avenues for discrimination is not going to help fix this country or whatever bizarre free market belief you have.

[Anonymous No.8656755]

>>8656752
>businesses
Being the operative word. They will employ whomever will make them the most money, irrespective of pretty much everything else.

You honestly think they've got time for that shit?

[Anonymous No.8656756]

>>8656751
oh i'm pretty sure your 3 years guy has no fucking idea
gtfo of here pretending to be righteous, you're obviously an awful person and i have no reason to be nice to you. go away

[Anonymous No.8656757]

>>8656755
>Being the operative word. They will employ whomever will make them the most money, irrespective of pretty much everything else.
shouldnt they only employ women then, since women are paid less on average because of the wage gap?

[Anonymous No.8656758]

It's not that the data isn't out there.

It's not that the data can't be found.

It's that it shouldn't fucking matter. Who gives a fuck if blacks are 5, 10 IQ points less than whites? It changes nothing and offers no meaningful information to apply.

If you care about this, it's you trying to confirm biases. It's why you waste time doing this instead of your thesis, or that problem set that's due next week, or finally losing weight.

Instead of bettering yourself, you try to find external reasons why you aren't total shit.

[Anonymous No.8656759]

>>8656699
>someone I worship said something stupid and I need you to verify it for me so I can continue my idol worship

[Anonymous No.8656761]

>>8656755

You are delusional.

[Anonymous No.8656762]

>>8656758
would you say physical differences between races aren't meaningful to study either?

[Anonymous No.8656765]

>>8656762
what do you even mean by race?

[Anonymous No.8656766]

>>8656765
black/white/asian/etc.

[Anonymous No.8656767]

>>8656743
I'll reiterate because insecure people are coming out of the woodwork to say it's racist to ask about this.

>Charles Murray interview
>Data on ethnic/gender differences will become overwhelming in 'about three years'
>When pressed, he says 'the data is already out, if you know where to look'
>Anybody know what he is talking about?

>>8656755
>>8656756
If you are touchy about this subject, just don't argue here.
I want some suggestions from biology undergrads/postgrads. Don't moralize and talk about 'who cares bro'

>>8656758
>ethnic
>gender
Not black/white. Vent your hurt feelings elsewhere.

>>8656759
Wow, yes, because I love Charles Murray and worship him.
Why are you so touchy about this topic?

[Anonymous No.8656768]

>>8656766
oh look, it's fucking nothing

[Anonymous No.8656770]

>>8656767
fuck off pal i'll argue where i like
free speech cunt

[Anonymous No.8656771]

>>8656755
That's false actually. Economic models that pretend that everyone does what benefits them the most are the inaccurate ones. People are stupid, businesses are full of nepotism, and thinking logically as shown by various studies is what we do only when we really need do.

[Anonymous No.8656772]

>>8656761
Funny how you libtards are so willing to reject your precious "evil greedy corporations" spiel just to pretend there is no link between genetics and intelligence. And you call me delusional...

[Anonymous No.8656774]

>>8656768
what? blacks and whites are literally treated differently when it comes to things like high blood pressure because they respond differently to drugs (http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/hypertension-in-african-americans#1)), and bone marrow transplants heavily depend on race (http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html)

[Anonymous No.8656776]

>>8656774
and?

[Anonymous No.8656779]

>>8656776
so if we didn't study the differences between races we'd have a lot more failed bone marrow transplants and worse treatment for blacks experiencing high blood pressure

these are just 2 examples of why studying racial differences is useful

[Anonymous No.8656780]

>>8656765
I'm not
>>8656766

I said ETHNIC differences and GENDER.

>>8656776
Oh boy you are hopeless, why must we be the same? It's an interesting subject, if it annoys you don't get all moody

[Anonymous No.8656782]

>>8656780
who said anything about being the same
oh you did

[Anonymous No.8656785]

>>8656779
ok so study them instead of posting mr 3 years man

[Anonymous No.8656787]

>>8656785
>mr 3 years man
what does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.8656788]

>>8656779

And what would studying IQ differences accomplish?

[Anonymous No.8656795]

>>8656787
btw i'm impressed by your frog collection you easily baited poltard prick

[Anonymous No.8656798]

>>8656788
>And what would studying IQ differences accomplish?
the same thing studying medical differences allowed for: more appropriate treatment

what's the point in having asians and blacks in the same classrooms if they learn at completely different rates?

[Anonymous No.8656801]

>>8656779
Thanks for pointing that out to me, but don't respond to him anymore. I want some sources I can follow over time, not more of the hurt feelings and simplistic opinions being posted here.
In particular I want to know about what he means by 'the data is already there, if you know where to look'

[Anonymous No.8656803]

>>8656795
i'm a /sci/entist, not a /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.8656805]

>>8656798

Ah. Segregation again. Okay.

Dude fuck off back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.8656806]

>>8656798
pupils are already grouped by ability
were you home schooled or something?

[Anonymous No.8656807]

>>8656788
Management of expectation? Maybe telling everyone they're the same is putting undue pressure on people.

Also it might offer explanations as to why some races are better represented in the sciences than others.

People are willing to explore the effect of socialisation on such things, so why would a genetic angle be so taboo?

Politics. Plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.8656808]

>>8656803
uh huh, bye

[Anonymous No.8656809]

>>8656807
>Politics. Plain and simple.
If you want to see politic's and propaganda's effects, just read the knee-jerk responses to this thread.

[Anonymous No.8656810]

>>8656805
why treat everyone the same if they're not?

>>8656806
no i went to public school where pupils are certainly not grouped by ability

>>8656808
bye

[Anonymous No.8656811]

>>8656699
Social skill is as important as academic intelligence. Most stem lack social skills, which is why they're in science, staring at books rather than talking about life.

[Anonymous No.8656812]

You have to go back.
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.8656816]

>>8656810
>no i went to public school where pupils are certainly not grouped by ability
So you want to group them by something that correlates to a mediocre degree with ability rather than the ability itself?

[Anonymous No.8656822]

>>8656816
>So you want to group them by something that correlates to a mediocre degree with ability rather than the ability itself?
you can't group them by the ability without measuring it in some way, so feel free to suggest something which correlates to a less mediocre degree

[Anonymous No.8656823]

>>8656810
>>8656803
>>8656798
>>8656787
>>8656779
>>8656774

Daily reminder that this anon been here posting frogs for a week parroting the same things over and over again.

Sad!

[Anonymous No.8656828]

>>8656822
Let's see. Basically you go classes that teach math, and then you do math exam in them or a whole bunch of them, and then if a kid does well for long enough you put them in a class for really smart kids while those who do bad go to remedial classes.

That's literally how a lot of countries sort their university students. They do exams splits between various subjects and then weight them assigning each exam taker a number of recruitment points. Those with more get priority to choose their university and often go to the best or at least good ones meaning you just bunched up a whole lot of people by their ability and all voluntarily.

[Anonymous No.8656830]

>>8656750
"MOM, HE SAID A BAD THING"
Stop lowering the collective IQ, you disgusting pleb.

[Anonymous No.8656832]

>>8656830
why do you need to belong to some kind of imaginary collective based on the colour of some skin
i mean how commited to something arbitrary can you get, it's almost like a religion

[Anonymous No.8656833]

>>8656756
>You must be an awful person for asking for resources on a particular issue
>is being unironically self-righteous calling somebody else self-righteous

Have you considered going the an hero route

[Anonymous No.8656835]

>>8656774
>http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/hypertension-in-african-americans#1
>Some scientists believe that high blood pressure in African-Americans is due to factors unique to the experience of blacks in the U.S. Blacks worldwide have rates of high blood pressure that are similar to whites. In the U.S., however, the difference is dramatic: 41% of blacks have high blood pressure, as compared to 27% of whites. In addition, black people in the U.S are more likely to be overweight than blacks in other countries. Some experts think that social and economic factors -- including discrimination and economic inequality -- are responsible for this difference.
HMMMMM

[Anonymous No.8656836]

>>8656833
fuck off mate of i will come round to your house and make you eat your computer

[Anonymous No.8656841]

>>8656822
>you can't group them by the ability without measuring it in some way
So you measure their abilities by their grades and test scores. More black people are in standard classes than in honors and AP classes. This is recognizable, but that doesn't mean that there are no black students in advanced classes. Taking these students out of advanced classes because they're black is counter productive.

[Anonymous No.8656842]

>>8656768
>"Bro, race is a social construct"
>browses a science board yet ignores all medical science about racial differences in physicality