EM Drive

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EM Drive Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:03:49 2016 No.8482077 [Reply] [Original]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-aiaa-confirms-release-date-controversial-nasa-eagleworks-space-propulsion-paper-1579443

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7kgKijo-p0ibm94VUY0TVktQlU/view

They actually confirm it works, the absolute madmen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:07:05 2016 No.8482081 Can undergraduate physicists ever recover?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:09:55 2016 No.8482085 >>8482081 suicide watch here, i wouldn't bet on it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:11:16 2016 No.8482087 >>8482077 I'm a brainlet. So someone explain the significance of this to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:13:24 2016 No.8482088 >>8482077 >output is ridiculously smaller than the input theres a reason why we call it the meme drive

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:13:46 2016 No.8482091 >>8482087 If it's true, it may well be the most significant scientific discovery ever. Certainly in our lives. Also, yes, physicists will be killing themselves.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:13:49 2016 No.8482092 File: 1.30 MB, 320x213, 1465168238303.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8482087 It produces thrust. Without propellant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:24:25 2016 No.8482106 >>8482077 2016 will forever be known as the year meme magic uplifted the human race.

Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:24:31 2016 No.8482107

>>8482092
>It produces thrust without a propellant
That's pretty fucking cool.

>>8482091
>If it's true, it may well be the most significant scientific discovery ever. Certainly in our lives.
Come on Anon that's an exaggeration.

>Also, yes, physicists will be killing themselves.
Over something that produces movement on its own with being forced to move?

Thanks for the explanation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:26:09 2016 No.8482110 >>8482077 >"""""laws""""" of physics

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:26:19 2016 No.8482111 >>8482092 >reactionless drive I'm out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:26:30 2016 No.8482113 >>8482110 More like guidelines, am i rite guise

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:36:49 2016 No.8482125 >>8482077 This thing is going to go through the technology readiness levels like a fucking madman

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 17:41:16 2016 No.8482129 >>8482107 It's not an exaggeration, at all. Splitting the atom pales in comparison.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 18:44:28 2016 No.8482224 >>8482087 We interstellar now son.

Anonymous Fri Nov 18 19:01:08 2016 No.8482249

>>8482077

Future dude here.
This is nothing. There is no thrust. All EM waves in a asymmetric non-resonant chamber do this. The configuration simply negates local space expansion along the line of asymmetry and in the presence of a gravitational gradient in the local space.

It is not scalable or additive, and disappears outside the pretense of gravity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 19:07:13 2016 No.8482260 >>8482077 We be going inta hyperspace and shiet

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 19:07:20 2016 No.8482261 >>8482249 b-b-but all the people on the internet told me it was gonna revolutionize physics!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 19:27:39 2016 No.8482286 I'm waiting on the cubesat test. If THAT works then it really will be interstellar empire time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 18 20:50:15 2016 No.8482419 >>8482087 It means that interplanetary and interstellar spaceships can be much smaller, much faster, and have almost unlimited Delta V.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 03:16:15 2016 No.8482878 >>8482286 It would be the most exciting technological development in the past 50 years, easily. It could still fall apart, but signs are looking pretty fucking stellar just at the moment.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 03:32:41 2016 No.8482899
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>/sci/ continues to get BTFO over and over again

I'm going to be laughing myself fucking silly from the stars when this works, while all you /sci/ earth-cucks drown the planet in your tears!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 03:57:44 2016 No.8482930 How would you build an EM drive to launch from earth

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 03:59:40 2016 No.8482935 >>8482930 you can't, the thrust is fuckall it's quite useful in space however

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 04:15:49 2016 No.8482943 >b-but my theories theoretical cucks btfo applied science mustard race

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 04:24:00 2016 No.8482947 >>8482930 You have to make it bigger and give it a slightly different shape. The dude who invented it is working on a version that could lift a car on its own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 04:41:17 2016 No.8482962 >>8482947 That's bullshit, it couldn't create enough force to lift it's own weight let alone something else

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 04:54:22 2016 No.8482970 >>8482962 thats not what matters. what matters is it lifts ANYTHING. in space. where weight doesnt exist, it can propel a rocket. without propellant. thats fucking huge news, mate. thats interplanetary-interstellar travel there, mate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 04:57:38 2016 No.8482978 File: 340 KB, 348x677, tfwgreatfutureinfrontofyou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw what a year

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 05:00:11 2016 No.8482979

>>8482970
It would be neat, but it's not interstellar neat

It could make going to mars trivially easy IF it actually works, which we are far from proving just yet.

I'm hopeful that Shawyer finally gets off his ass and uses the momentum of this paper to get one of his contraptions in orbit. If he can get that thing blasting laong at say, 200,000 mph, then we're in business and the solar system will have boots all around it within a few decades.

The first person to mine the asteroid belt will be a god btw, get on that shit smart fucks.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 05:11:16 2016 No.8482988

>>8482979
If we are talking end of world scenario, it is interstellar neat.

we are talking about something that constantly speeds a spaceship up without throwing shit off the side

it isnt a perpetual motion machine but it is about as fucking close as we can get, and it beats newtonian propulsion by a fucking longshot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 05:15:41 2016 No.8482993 Kek help get Trump elected Meme drive is the real deal Pepe is now an international hate symbol that had an effect on the presidential race What a year. Will 2016 ever be topped?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 05:19:15 2016 No.8482997 >want to believe in this very badly >I even keep an eye on a rather nutty guy who claims he's on the verge of building a faster than light warp drive in his garage I yearn for the opening of space like a mad cunt. It's just so free and beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 05:26:08 2016 No.8482998 >>8482077 BULL. No controls, no nothing. This is not science.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 05:56:14 2016 No.8483021 retard here with a question Why can't the just make one of these, strap it to a cart, and see if the cart moves?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 05:59:24 2016 No.8483026

We all knew since the beginning that this works.

But it will never be used in pratice. That shit needs about the same power of an average house (3 Kw) in order of 0.3 mN, which isso low that couldn't even push 1 kg of anything by a single meter of distance, and that while using a shitload of energy, let alone using it to thrust an entire spaceship.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:03:12 2016 No.8483035

>>8483026
>That shit needs about the same power of an average house (3 Kw) in order of 0.3 mN, which isso low that couldn't even push 1 kg of anything by a single meter of distance, and that while using a shitload of energy, let alone using it to thrust an entire spaceship.

you use conventional rockets to launch into orbit then turn on the massless drives when youre in space and you dont actually need much force at all to accelerate, dummy

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:07:58 2016 No.8483042

>>8483021
The amount of thrust it produces very small, it wouldn't be able to move the cart let alone it's own weight.
They have measured thrust from it in tests, but skeptics argue it's an instrumentation error and so forth.

They're going to launch one on a cubesat, probably in 2017. That will be the ultimate test for whether it really produces thrust or not.

>>8483026
It's efficiency would likely be improved over time like any other technology.
Even if it's never able to produce enough thrust to lift anything on Earth, propellant-free thrust would be absolutely game changing for unmanned spacecraft.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:09:15 2016 No.8483045 File: 189 KB, 1462x1462, 1454020764312.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8482077 PHYSICLETS BTFO WILL THEY EVER LEARN

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:09:16 2016 No.8483046 It doesn't even work. Just shitty engineers measuring pull from power supplies. When the Chinese eliminated that error source they measured no thrust.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:14:13 2016 No.8483052 File: 225 KB, 976x649, rogershawyerthephysicslayer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You are studying fundamental physics in the library when this guy comes in and slaps Newtons Third Law on the ass What do

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:14:29 2016 No.8483053 >>8483046 >trusting ANY Chinese scientific result Buddy you're off your rocker. I bet you also believe that Chinese people are actually smart and hard-working, and that they NEVER cheat to get their good results.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:15:52 2016 No.8483055 Is it possible for some random person to look up the specs and make one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:17:38 2016 No.8483057 File: 30 KB, 689x126, helloreddit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder that your words can hurt people Provide the necessary trigger alert before posting about the EM drive

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:17:50 2016 No.8483058 >>8483042 But it does need energy, no? Where dat comin from

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:20:32 2016 No.8483060 >>8483058 coal and mexico will pay for it

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:22:25 2016 No.8483062 >>8483058 Photovoltaics, radioisotope thermoelectric generators, or fission reactors. Perhaps fusion reactors eventually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:25:22 2016 No.8483067 >>8483055 It would be useless to you The ammount of thrust it produces is tiny Its usefull only for space propulsion

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:27:35 2016 No.8483070 >>8483055 I believe so, but it's not like you're going to build a hovercraft with your microwave. It would probably be more expensive to buy the equipment to measure it's thrust than it would be to build the drive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:29:21 2016 No.8483071 So what could this mean? Are we about to uncover a fifth fundamental force?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:30:07 2016 No.8483073 >>8483071 It must use dark energy senpai that is what I and my research team postulated

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:31:33 2016 No.8483075

>>8483042
> propellant-free thrust would be absolutely game changing for unmanned spacecraft.

Propellant-free thrust already exists (photon drives). But the measured thrust/power ratio for this is higher by a factor of a few hundred.

It's still much lower than ion drives, but those need propellant (although much less propellant than combustion-based rockets). E.g. VASIMR manages 25 mN/kW, which is ~20 times higher than the 1.2 mN/kW reported for EM.

Right now, this doesn't have much practical use. The need for 20x as much power per unit thrust is going to outweigh the lack of need for propellant at any scale which currently matters.

To make use of it, we'd need abundant power (e.g. on-board nuclear reactors, and I don't mean RTGs) and missions where the required propellant even for an ion drive would be prohibitive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:31:36 2016 No.8483076 still not as big of an upset as when ETs and UFOs will be confirmed this board will be thoroughly btfo and it will be glorious

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:32:56 2016 No.8483078 Is physics a meme degree now? I mean this is like the medical community having to admit witch doctors work lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:33:15 2016 No.8483079 >>8483073 >whenever your observations dont agree with theory slap "dark-something" on them >its not a new force guys trust me >act surprised when theory doesnt work

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:41:51 2016 No.8483087

>>8483078
>Is physics a meme degree?
Well lets see
>unidentified force pulling shit around
>nah guys its gravity, there is no identified force only dark matter
>k
>unidentified force accelerating the expansion of the universe despite gravity
>uuuhhh, not a new force guys, its uuhhh... DARK ENERGY
>force measured on EM drive produced by unknown mechanism
>HOW DARE YOU, OUR PHYSICS MODEL IS INFALLIBLE
>MUH 3RD LAW

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:48:13 2016 No.8483095 >>8483078 My QM prof said 7 people already resigned from the physics department. People are seriously considering switching to engineering now, everyone seems really distraught about the news.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:56:28 2016 No.8483104

>>8483078
The low hanging fruits are gone in physics.
you need Einstein levels of intelligence or higher and billion dollar particle accelerators now, otherwise you're just wasting your time.

>>8483087
The guy who invented it claims it doesn't break any laws of physics and uses physics know for over 60 years.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 06:58:43 2016 No.8483105

>>8482091
> Also, yes, physicists will be killing themselves.
Why? Just when something comes along to Make Physics Great Again.

Can you imagine how boring it must be to spend billions building particle colliders that span borders and the end result is always "yup, existing models confirmed".

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:03:16 2016 No.8483109 >>8482249 glad ur smarter than NASA bro we need more fuckheads like u in 4chan comments

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:13:57 2016 No.8483117 >>8482087 We just achieved the ability to become an interplanetary species with ease and possibly an interstellar species too. It would narrow the time to our nearest star to about 100 years.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:29:21 2016 No.8483121

>>8483117
>travel to other solar systems
>meet other older and wiser species
>welcome children of the galaxy, congratulations on breaking out of your solar prison
>may we ask how you achieved interstellar travel, we are always pleased to hear the ingenious way each species comes up with
>explain EM drive
>they realise we have broken the laws of physics
>get orbitally bombarded for being lawbreakers

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:30:54 2016 No.8483122 >>8482249 But it worked regardless of orientation, so your gravity gradient explanation is bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:32:52 2016 No.8483124 >>8483121 >kick ban for using exploits

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:40:14 2016 No.8483130 >>8483121 Actually I think it would be more like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pz_IaRVBh0

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:46:16 2016 No.8483135 File: 10 KB, 359x355, 1446990703562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8482077 STOP WITH THIS MEME SHIT ALREADY IT DOES NOT WORK DOES NOT WORK Fucking get it through your thick skulls DOES. NOT. WORK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:50:58 2016 No.8483140 >>8483135 >theoreticucks BTFO by experimentalist master race again

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 07:51:25 2016 No.8483141 >>8482077 /sci/ absolutely btfo

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:05:48 2016 No.8483160 >>8483135 Shouldnt you be developing a theory that actually works?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:14:50 2016 No.8483171
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I dont know a lot about science, but i see a lot of smart people reeing because

"nyeh its never going to work,"
"let me tell you the bad news,"
"pseudo science, everything has already been discovered"

seems to be making a lot of neckbeards mad all

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:26:34 2016 No.8483189 wtf i hate my physics degree now where can I get a degree in meme magic

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:28:20 2016 No.8483192 >>8483189 At /pol/ my friend t. PhD in memetic magic

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:31:14 2016 No.8483199 >>8482993 Indeed my friend. Meme magic is now the 5th force of nature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:33:12 2016 No.8483201 >>8483192 meme magic is all that makes me feel happy in life, trump winning proved this everything pales in comparison

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:33:22 2016 No.8483202 >>8483052 Reaction punch him in the face

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:35:57 2016 No.8483207 >>8483078 I don't give a fuck if the theory is right or wrong. I just study physics for fun, don't really care if this true or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:38:49 2016 No.8483210 File: 106 KB, 599x794, never forget.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Honestly, i think trump winning broke the universe, they discovered a shit load of oil in texas the other day, now we have warp drive

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:39:52 2016 No.8483214 >>8483201 This year felt so good. First brexit, then Trump. I love this timeline.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:46:43 2016 No.8483223 File: 68 KB, 1000x900, 1472853522899.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >sci BTFO over and over again

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:47:06 2016 No.8483225 Just think of the possibilities once they hook a Cold Fusion reactor to an Emdrive. Unlimited free power and unlimited free thrust. Off to the stars we go!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 08:51:33 2016 No.8483228 >>8483078 More like witch doctors having to admit vaccines work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:01:19 2016 No.8483232 >>8483228 Whoa whoa, man, no need to go for most extreme cases here. Calm down and THINK

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:08:47 2016 No.8483238 Just in time for Trump to become the first Space Emperor We truly live in the best timeline

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:08:47 2016 No.8483239 >>8483225 Just hook it up to an E-CAT. That thing is also real according to the same /sci/ posters.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:37:24 2016 No.8483261 >>8482107 >Come on Anon that's an exaggeration. You'd think, right? But really name one thing bigger. >>8482419 >Delta V Just type change in velocity you fucking autist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:51:35 2016 No.8483270 What if the universe is a simulation and the beliefs of people can alter the rules like fucking warhammer 40k orks? DUDE MEMES LMAO

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:52:18 2016 No.8483271 >>8483270 I wish all problems could be solved with more dakka.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:53:54 2016 No.8483274

The article linked didn't have much information on what this thing actually is, and the paper was in terms I can understand somewhat but can't parse to get a decent picture. So... what exactly is this thing? From the way people are talking about it my best guess would be something akin to a perpetual motion drive, and I only guess that because of all the "violates laws of momentum" that seem to only get brought up when someone reports something that's effectively a perpetual motion drive, but I still have no solid idea what this thing *does*.

>>8483270
But that would mean red light would travel faster, because red makes things go faster.

>>8483271
>implying they can't
time for you to learn >>>/k/

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 09:56:03 2016 No.8483276 >>8483238 Kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:03:29 2016 No.8483282 >>8483261 >Just type change in velocity you fucking autist. Not the guy, but "Delta V" is very common, my retarded friend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-v

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:04:53 2016 No.8483286 >>8482943 I love mustard rice. I can't wait to enjoy it in my floating mansion above Venus :DD;D

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:06:49 2016 No.8483290 >>8482993 >What a year. Will 2016 ever be topped? Wait till next year. The Meme Wars have only just begun. Shadillay!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:09:53 2016 No.8483297 >>8483282 I know, but dude said he was a brainlet. Is it not reasonable to assume he MIGHT not know even relatively basic shorthand?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:12:59 2016 No.8483301

>>8483042
>They have measured thrust from it in tests, but skeptics argue it's an instrumentation error and so forth.
The paper OP linked was measuring it down to single microNewtons was it not? At that point "i-instrumentation error!!1!" starts to approach "the entire fossil record is a hoax by paleontologists" in terms of how healthily it is skeptical.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:14:32 2016 No.8483304 This is not true and you all know it. It contradicts Newton and everything we learned about physics in the past 500 years. I have no idea why they publish something like this but it is a fake. Mark my words.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:15:04 2016 No.8483306 File: 240 KB, 1024x768, hax10179622_lrg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8483121 underrated

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:15:37 2016 No.8483307 >>8483270 I want this to be real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:18:11 2016 No.8483310 >>8483274 >But that would mean red light would travel faster, because red makes things go faster. You could argue it does, since it get's stopped less by hitting stuff...

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:22:37 2016 No.8483312 >>8483307 if you want it enough, it might be

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:23:38 2016 No.8483314

>>8483121
>travel to other solar systems
>meet other older and wiser species
>"welcome children of the galaxy, congratulations on breaking out of your solar prison"
>"may we ask how you achieved interstellar travel, we are always pleased to hear the ingenious way each species comes up with"
>explain EM drive
>"doesn't work. lrn2 momentum conservation"
>then who was spaceship

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:29:16 2016 No.8483320 I can't wait for the history books to record that a Britbong fucking around in his garden shed with a copper cone and a radio wave transmitter broke theoretical physics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:30:27 2016 No.8483323 >>8483314 spoopy

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:31:10 2016 No.8483324 >universe is simulation >EM Drive is glitch in this simulation

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:31:25 2016 No.8483325 >>8483105 >Why? Shame. They've been posting on /sci/ for ages how the EM drive is impossible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:33:11 2016 No.8483327 >>8483325 >/sci/ >physicists Nothing but poser brainlets here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:33:15 2016 No.8483328 >>8483324 It'll be fixed in the next patch.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:34:53 2016 No.8483333

>Believing this shit

It's obvious there's some sort of flaw in their paper. This cannot possibily be true, and anyone who believes that you can generate thrust from nothing is a university dropout who ought to be flipping burgers and not posting on /sci/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:36:02 2016 No.8483335 >>8483328 >hot fix deployed right in the middle of the first interstellar journey of a meme drive spaceship nightmare fuel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:37:43 2016 No.8483338 >>8483333 This. The whole thread reads like it was posted on /x/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:39:35 2016 No.8483339 >>8483333 >>8483338 literally suicide: the posts

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:41:58 2016 No.8483343

>>8483339
Believing in this paper is like believing in God: You're trusting something which makes no sense and can't exist just because you really want it to be true. You're literally trusting that energy can spontaneously appear from the aether just because you want it to.

Drop out of university if you haven't already.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:42:21 2016 No.8483345 >>8483335 Would read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:43:46 2016 No.8483347 >>8483343 undiscovered =/= can't exist Show a fucking theory of everything to prove me wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:43:56 2016 No.8483348 >>8483343 >2016 >he hasn't graduated yet brainlet

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:47:55 2016 No.8483351 >>8483301 Beautiful.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:51:51 2016 No.8483354

>>8483339
Can anybody explain how that's supposed to work? Action without reaction? No?
Well then stop wasting money on it. This whole "research" is wasting money needed for sirious science like improving rocket engines and should cease to exist as soon as possible.

There are people talking about aliens in here for Dawkins sake.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:52:11 2016 No.8483355 [DELETED]

>>8482077
At the beginning of this year I would have said 3 things:
>brexit is impossible
>trump cannot win
>you can't generate thrust from nothing

Now I see the truth, white supremacists are taking over the world and at the same time we unlock the secret of space travel.

Was trump the Emprah Of Mankind all Along?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:55:10 2016 No.8483356 >>8483354 >Well then stop wasting money on it. This whole "research" is wasting money needed for sirious science like improving rocket engines and should cease to exist as soon as possible. Thank you for correcting the record.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 10:56:14 2016 No.8483357 >>8483304 They published that papar on superluminal neutrinos. If nothing else it'll be neat to learn what the error source is

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:06:47 2016 No.8483372 File: 8 KB, 225x225, NewtMoon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8482087 Moon bases not just on the moon

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:09:47 2016 No.8483376 File: 21 KB, 211x220, 1479495785671.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8483057 brainlets can't handle bants

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:18:59 2016 No.8483388 >>8483121 >>8483314 my sides propelled by em drives

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:20:42 2016 No.8483390 >>8483355 Those digits. Praise Kek.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:21:43 2016 No.8483392 >>8483314 i kek'd

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:23:18 2016 No.8483395 >>8483390 kek does not exist, fuck off to /pol/ back with your memes

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:25:48 2016 No.8483398 >>8483395 From this time forward you will serve us. All shall belong to the realm of KEK,

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:26:40 2016 No.8483399 >>8483314 d... dark cones dark microwaves newton's dark law ADAPT THE MODEL AT ANY COST

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:26:51 2016 No.8483400 >>8482077 DELETE THIS

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:26:57 2016 No.8483401 >>8483324 >simulation is so faulty it has a game breaking glitch that allows infinite delta V in a vacuum >still able to keep me from getting a gf the programmers must be crazy!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:28:33 2016 No.8483403 >>8483388 That just means you didn't find that funny at all

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:29:15 2016 No.8483404
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>If the vacuum is indeed mutable and degradable as was explored, then it might be possible to do/extract work on/from the vacuum, and thereby be possible to push off of the quantum vacuum and preserve the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:32:09 2016 No.8483409 >>8483399 this is just like imaginary numbers all over again get ready for dark numbers, where 7 + dark9 = 4 but dark9 + 7 = 999

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:38:29 2016 No.8483421 Where were you when troll physics were proven to work in real life?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:38:40 2016 No.8483422
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the thrust is real, but caused by the asymmetric self-heating of the device; effectively, tiny bits of the device are being vaporized and shot off into space, making it effectively a really shitty electrothermal thruster. Real thrust, no physics-breaking or revolutionized space travel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:42:27 2016 No.8483429 >>8483421 Troll physics and Trump winning, all in the same year 2016 was really a good year

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:44:08 2016 No.8483435

>>8482077
Clickbait article that means almost nothing. NASA has let me down so many fucking times I've gone full spaceX.

SpaceX and other engineering companies arent wasting time making sure 'the official scientific method + approval of old men with PhDs' is accepted. Instead they do. They don't Ready shoot aim, they simply skip the academic field and go straight into practicality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:46:31 2016 No.8483440 >>8483435 so what does SpaceX say about this? you can't just discredit the meme drive. I personally don't think it really works but you can never know for certain

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:49:05 2016 No.8483444 >>8483422 cry more brainlet Your knowledge is not perfect.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:51:43 2016 No.8483451
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lol

state of the art "experimental physics"

yeah I want confirmed practical application or much more thorough experimentation

I believe that reactionless drives are possible but I don't think the meme drive is one

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:55:37 2016 No.8483460 >>8483395 >>8483398 Blessed are the frogposters, for they shall be called the children of KEK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 11:59:02 2016 No.8483467 >/r/physics deletes posts about em drive why are physics fags such cucks

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:01:07 2016 No.8483471 >>8482091 This might upset the entire space time continuum

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:03:43 2016 No.8483479 >>8483451 wait, so it requires electricity to run? i thought you guys said it didn't use any fuel also that's a fucking shit thrust, probably less than a fart in space

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:03:44 2016 No.8483481 Still sounds like bullshit desu, i'll wait for different labs to confirm these results before I get my hopes up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:09:47 2016 No.8483493 >still thinking in terms of material objects in space

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:11:07 2016 No.8483496

could one of you smart bros explain to me why this entire EM Drive thingie is (or was?) considered troll science? I dont get the jokes about it breaking the laws of physics either

why cant i generate thrust without propellant? sorry for my limited knowledge

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:11:22 2016 No.8483499 >>8483479 It doesn't use reaction mass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:12:11 2016 No.8483500 >>8483496 Don't worry about it. /sci/ would have said the same about relativity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:12:29 2016 No.8483501 >>8483026 U wot Your microwave uses a kw. The house must be using much more than 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:13:53 2016 No.8483505 Can we also meme into existence immortality and all cures for diseases?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:17:58 2016 No.8483517 >>8483500 but id like to understand it

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:19:29 2016 No.8483519

>>8483496
Basically it (seems to) be a closed system bouncing around photons in a resonator that still creates considerable thrust. Usually, a closed system has conserved momentum, and thus it should impossible to gain any momentum according to our current understanding on physics.

So either this effect
a) shows holes in our theories that have to be fixed (extremely unlikely because these concept withstood the tests of time for several centuries, but still of course possible)
b) It's a measurement error or the measurement setup does not account for all parameters (also possible)

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:21:24 2016 No.8483525 I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really want it to work but I know it won't :(

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:23:18 2016 No.8483532 >>8483519 see >>8483223 to understand how it works

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:24:48 2016 No.8483534 >>8483404 If there is stuff in a vacuum you can push off you canpreserve the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:26:12 2016 No.8483537 >this comes in time for Trump's presidency Fuck all, meme magic is real. We gonna Imperium now lads. Make America Interstellar Already

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:30:48 2016 No.8483547 Since electromagnetic radiation has momentum, why is the drive supposed to break Newton's 3rd? Isn't it more likely that momentum is conserved but since we can barely measure the micro thrust already, it's pretty hard to measure counter reaction?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:35:40 2016 No.8483555 If CRISPR chinese trials come back with a "we blew the fuck out of cancer", 2016 is fucking perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:38:31 2016 No.8483558 >>8483555 >Born to late to explore the world >Born just in time to live for ever thanks to CRISPR and afterwards explore the universe >Everyone not born yet is #btfo because if people live for ever no one will have kids anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:38:36 2016 No.8483559 File: 93 KB, 332x484, IMG_3633.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8483505

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:39:39 2016 No.8483561 >>8483537 All hail the Emperor of the Universe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:43:49 2016 No.8483570 File: 299 KB, 680x598, 1476726771093.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw to intelligent to believe meme drive could be improved to the point where it would be viable for Interstellar travel in near future

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:45:59 2016 No.8483573 >>8483558 Can't wait for stupid white people to get BTFO because their governments prohibit the use of CRISPR (muh Jeebus) while Asians get to live forever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:46:59 2016 No.8483576 >>8483558 >Everyone not born yet Can we get a rough estimate on how many people that is? Just so we can appreciate the scale of this btfo to btfo all btfo's

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:48:26 2016 No.8483578 >>8483573 I'll just wait a couple decades then move to Ninsei and have sex with immortal cyborg women and do opiates forever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:52:21 2016 No.8483587 >>8483558 How will CRISPR make you immortal? It only alters DNA in a single cell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:52:28 2016 No.8483588 >>8483573 I'll walk to fucking China if that's what I have to do to be immortal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 12:57:16 2016 No.8483600 File: 705 KB, 630x629, 1468431767287.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wonder what the inventor wanted to achive in the first place? that process before. like why would you ever build such a thing ever

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:00:46 2016 No.8483610 >>8483600 It won't continue. Mark my words, the EU will collapse in less than 5 years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:02:26 2016 No.8483613 >>8483610 How much?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:04:46 2016 No.8483619 [DELETED]

>>8483570
>meme drive lol
>memedrive won't ever work
>meme drive works, but it will never be perfected to be of practical use!

you low energy faggots make me sick. It's the whole

>trump lol
>trump will never win the primaries
>trump won't beat hillary hahaha

all over again

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:05:49 2016 No.8483622
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>>8483189
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/129784168866/the-persuasion-reading-list

Here's your link to the correspondence course in meme magic. If you wanted a boring academic name you could call it Applied Psychology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:09:34 2016 No.8483631 >>8482088 >output doesn't need any ergol. Still worth it. Tsiolkovski can go fuck himself.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:12:42 2016 No.8483640 [DELETED]

>>8483619
lets not forget
>Trump will never build a wall
>Trump will never deport 11 million people
>Trump will never jail hillary & half the democrat party
>Trump will never get elected for a second term
>Trump will never call a constitutional convention to add term limits to congress
etc

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:18:55 2016 No.8483650

>>8483587
If you can alter the DNA in every cell of your body, you can alter your body in a way to repair his cells constantly instead of just not bothering anymore after a certain age. The cancer sprawling out of it you can CRISPR away too. Thanks to CRISPR you will only be able to die from outside influence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:20:54 2016 No.8483655 >>8483650 >you will only be able to die from outside influence Thank G-d I'm NEET.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:21:28 2016 No.8483658 >>8483613 Completely. I hope Trump's victory means the death of all the globalist fags.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:41:31 2016 No.8483699 So, when will they confirm it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:42:12 2016 No.8483703 >>8483404 >>8483534 Ether theory is back!

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:42:52 2016 No.8483705

>>8483499
so what? you still need an energy source to generate thrust so i don't see how it's such a useful thing

you still need a shitload of batteries in the spaceship or a nuclear reactor or something to get that electricity. i assume it's much more efficient that what we have at the moment, but those numbers make it hard to believe

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:48:18 2016 No.8483710 >>8483703 Its not the same Aether theory. But when you have a quantum foam as a fundamental property of the universe, well, you've got something that fits the aether analogy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:52:17 2016 No.8483714 Theory of relativity just got completely BTFO.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:56:13 2016 No.8483716 >>8483714 It already was. http://earthsky.org/space/erik-verlinde-gravity-theory-no-need-dark-matter

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 13:58:34 2016 No.8483718 >>8483716 Why do people think Einstein was smart?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:00:09 2016 No.8483722

>>8483479
>so it requires electricity to run
Of course it does. But you don't have to propel any mass from the tail side. Strap on a nuclear fission/fusion reactor and you're good to go.

>probably less than a fart in space
Still better than other reactionless means of propulsion (Light sail).
Also they only tested to make sure it works. It's not optimized for performance in any way. It's only slightly worse than ion engines which are already in use.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:07:09 2016 No.8483730 So what are the implications of this being the real deal? How BTFO are we talking here for physics?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:07:51 2016 No.8483736 >>8483121 At this point i'm inclined to believe we memed it to work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:09:39 2016 No.8483740 >>8482107 It needs propellant, man. It just doesn't need fuel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:09:42 2016 No.8483741 File: 128 KB, 605x695, Just Works.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It just works Deal with it

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:13:20 2016 No.8483748 File: 31 KB, 260x298, 1331362252155.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Please tell me this is false /sci/

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:16:17 2016 No.8483759 Yeah when it moves a spacecraft from ground to orbit with only EM drive I will believe it works

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:19:39 2016 No.8483765 >>8483748 Why do you want it to be false?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:21:18 2016 No.8483770 File: 45 KB, 614x597, 1479583139238.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw smart enough to realize the theories might be wrong

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:21:37 2016 No.8483771

>>8482935
>NASA is working with a tiny, non-optimized, 1kW input (a household microwave oven energy input); just so they could test the claims as cheaply as possible since they themselves didn't believe it would work

>fuck all for thrust

No shit buddy.

Now give Eagle Works some real R&D money, so they can upscale, optimize, and shove a lot more input energy into it.. then see what happens.

Quick and effective interplanetary travel, here we come!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:21:57 2016 No.8483772 >>8483765 I'm just getting too optimistic and i want to be let down early

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:22:01 2016 No.8483773 >>8483748 poor little physics major

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:24:01 2016 No.8483780 >>8482998 >questioning NASA on doing science properly Silence heretics!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:24:05 2016 No.8483781 Laws are made so we can brake them physicists should be happy not suicidal

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:24:54 2016 No.8483782 >>8483772 The trick is to be sceptic of everything regarding this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:25:45 2016 No.8483783 >>8483781 There's no brakes on the intergalactic empire anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:29:54 2016 No.8483792 >>8483519 maybe it's not a closed system t. pro

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:30:39 2016 No.8483794 Lmao EM drive is clearly not possible as it violates momentum conservation, bye faggots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:36:06 2016 No.8483805 >>8483794 Have a momentum with this unzip dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:36:20 2016 No.8483807 >>8483046 The chinks are epic fraudsters. They probably lied so they can gain a competitive advantage (first mover advantage) by convincing everyone else that this engine does not work. I repeat, chinks are not to be trusted.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:40:14 2016 No.8483814

>>8483135
All the capitol letters in the world are a fart in the wind against published peer-reviewed work.

It may still be voided, absolutely. But firmly stating your opinion means nothing at all.

Feel free to do the work and submit it to a respectable journal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:45:35 2016 No.8483824 >>8483343 Please refer to: >>8483347 Being skeptical is rational. Even about peer-reviewed results. But the vitriol in some posts here suggests an entirely irrational mind at work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:46:54 2016 No.8483825 >implying we'll need this when we get the Alcubierre drive to work

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:48:32 2016 No.8483827 >>8482077 Newton BTFO. How will he ever recover?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:49:41 2016 No.8483832 >>8483409 Non-commutative algebras exist anon. Your joke is lame.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:51:00 2016 No.8483833

>>8482077
I still see way too many sources of errors in that setup. Let's see whether other groups can confirm this and whether this will work in space (which is really the most meaningful test in this case). They need a few more convincing experiments conducted in order for me to actually buy the vacuum energy pilot theory bullshit explanations they provide.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:52:09 2016 No.8483835 >>8483825 opens a jar of exotic matter

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 14:53:43 2016 No.8483841 >>8483223 >free trutst >microgaves dont require energy

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:01:02 2016 No.8483855 >>8483730 Physics won't be BTFO. Physicists will be BTFO. Its jut another case of undergrads and grads who thought they were perfect smart snowflakes and that the people who were doing actual science were hacks. Don't listen to experts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:01:11 2016 No.8483856 What will physics fags' excuse be when the em drive sat flies around in space?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:02:05 2016 No.8483858 >>8483759 Ion drives cannot move a spacecraft from ground to orbit. Do you believe ion drives don't work?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:02:43 2016 No.8483859 >>8483722 >But you don't have to propel any mass from the tail side thanks, i didn't realize about that. is that an important advantage though?

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>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:04:05 2016 No.8483863 >>8483833 >they didn't account for my heavy breathing against the machine >therefore I declare their results invalid! >No, I'm not going to read the paper

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:05:55 2016 No.8483866 >>8483863 Well they came out and announced that they found particles that could travel FTL a while ago, and it turned out it was caused by a dirty ethernet jack.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:07:35 2016 No.8483871 >>8483576 There are more unborn children that will never get to heaven than there are stolen bikes in my garage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:09:43 2016 No.8483876 >>8483856 They won't need an excuse when they are dead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:10:05 2016 No.8483878 >>8483856 dark forces.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:12:19 2016 No.8483880

>>8483863
I would also love to believe this, but I lived through enough sensational scientific discoveries that turned out to be loose wires to be as naive as you. As I said, to believe this I need

>A few more groups confirming this
>Eventually a space test that shows that this works for more than 40 seconds
>At least some kind of theoretical explanation why this is supposed to work

So far we have an extremely simple machine, no explanation and a single experiment. That's just not enough. Peer review is no magic either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:12:34 2016 No.8483881 >>8483856 They're going to claim that its impossible to measure a satellites orbit. Therefore the data is invalid. Or that there was some source of error, such as rogue magnetic fields.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:12:52 2016 No.8483882

Conservation of momentum ain't going anywhere. It's just not obvious where the energy is going at the moment. *If* it works then whatever is happening will remain consistent with all the physics you already know, mostly (the pilot wave hypothesis is a stab in that direction).

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:15:25 2016 No.8483888 >>8482087 We will have to throw out the Copenhagen interpretation of QM. Our view of the universe goes back to determinism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:16:18 2016 No.8483889 File: 20 KB, 258x245, 1426868459749.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8483880 >needs theoretical explanation to believe something happens

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:16:34 2016 No.8483890
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>>8483882
>conservation of mass/energy is real
>electron antielectron pairs just exist and cease existing
>The Universe has more energy and more mass through inflation since the big bang
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:17:14 2016 No.8483891 >>8483748 Nope. Peer reviewed, from NASA, saying "it just works". So now they have to improve it, and run more tests to explain why it just works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:21:07 2016 No.8483898 >>8483856 Muh "Spooky action at a distance" You know, like how Einstein wrote off Quantum mechanics at first.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:21:18 2016 No.8483899

>>8483889
In this case it's a lot to buy without any explanation. It's just implausible. If there is something special going on in that super simple device, then we should have noticed this effect way earlier. I understand that people here are enthusiastic, it really does sound like exciting news, but it wouldn't be the first fuck-up of this kind. It smells particularly bad like one honestly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:22:51 2016 No.8483903 >>8483899 >super simple device Yeah, that's what bothers me. It's such a simple device. They could have built this shit for the Apollo mission.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:23:17 2016 No.8483904 All memes aside, can anyone explain how this works?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:23:18 2016 No.8483906 >>8483856 this >>8483422

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:24:57 2016 No.8483908 >>8483904 the vacuum is medium like any other we just hadn't figured out how to make a propeller yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:25:12 2016 No.8483910 >>8483856 It's pretty understandable to be skeptical about these claims considering how much bullshit free energy shit has going on around. But any proper scientists would be exited af to find out it was real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:25:14 2016 No.8483911 >>8483055 I'm building one right now. Not sure how I'm going to test it, since the supposed thrust is so minuscule.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:26:29 2016 No.8483916 >>8483910 But what will the physics phds and undergrads on reddit say?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:26:44 2016 No.8483917 It's obviously interacting with particles generated from the Cismir effect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:27:18 2016 No.8483918 >>8483908 HEY GUYS WHAT IF ITS PUSHING OFF OF DARK MATTER?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:27:21 2016 No.8483919 >>8483916 Do you really care? Sad!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:28:49 2016 No.8483923 It's obviously interacting with virtual photons from the Casimir effect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:30:16 2016 No.8483927 >>8483911 see if it can lift your dick

BANNON=DARKNESS OUR FRIEND Sat Nov 19 15:33:54 2016 No.8483934

>>8482077
"If the vacuum is indeed mutable and degradable as was explored, then it might be possible to do/extract work on/from the vacuum, and thereby be possible to push off of the quantum vacuum and preserve the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum. It is proposed that the tapered RF test article pushes off of quantum vacuum fluctuations, and the thruster generates a volumetric body force and moves in one direction while a wake is established in the quantum vacuum that moves in the other direction."
Aether energy may become a thing pretty soon

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:35:49 2016 No.8483936 >Wake up >Meme drive works What the fuck even is this year?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:35:52 2016 No.8483937 >>8482092 Not only that but it states that work/energy may be extracted from vacuum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:39:51 2016 No.8483943 File: 58 KB, 960x960, 1469501483634.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >All these brainlets that got meme physics degrees that now have the same worth as a degree in LGBTQ2 in native american society

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:41:05 2016 No.8483946 >>8483882 >pilot wave hypothesis is a stab in that direction Actually it also makes the ether theory a thing again

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:45:23 2016 No.8483953

>"If the vacuum is indeed mutable and degradable as was explored, then it might be possible to do/extract work on/from the vacuum, and thereby be possible to push off of the quantum vacuum and preserve the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum."
EM-drive more like Aether-Thruster

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:46:03 2016 No.8483956 File: 82 KB, 1280x974, 1477080133570.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Prehistoric Religion: we have seen the veil flutter and awakened to the presence of the Other. 21st century Materialism: we can go fast in space now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:47:45 2016 No.8483960 >We have entered the realm of meme physics Help

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:47:53 2016 No.8483961 File: 211 KB, 327x316, 1449908090727.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >he thought space wasn't a medium

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:55:33 2016 No.8483972

>>8483946
It might not have to actually.

One interpretation of what's happening is it's directing probabilities in such a way that at least some of the the particles are pushed inside of the cone cavity, imparting momentum to the drive, but some effect that would almost have to be of a quantum nature, prevents them from ever cancelling out that imparted momentum by impacting the far wall.

It's somehow putting its finger on the scale of quantum probability, and causing favorable quantum events with an aggregate effect of bypassing normal physics.

Not sure how much I'm willing to believe this though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:57:23 2016 No.8483980 So how fast will we be able to go if this thing works?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 15:59:00 2016 No.8483985 >>8483972 >It's somehow putting its finger on the scale of quantum probability, and causing favorable quantum events HUMANS HAVE BECOME MASTERS OF DESTINY

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:01:02 2016 No.8483991 >>8483985 WE HAVE LEARNED TO CHEAT FATE

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:06:11 2016 No.8484000

Brianlet here, came from the /pol/ echo chamber to ask you guys about this. Can thrust without a propellant constitute a net creation of energy. Like as in the vacuum containing nothing is generating something? That seems like the most significant finding, but maybe I'm just confused.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:08:23 2016 No.8484005 >>8484000 yeah it's new energy. newton has been eternally btfo. also fuck Einstein too

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:08:48 2016 No.8484008 Is "IT'S 2016!!!" now a legitimate explanation for stuff now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:09:04 2016 No.8484009 >>8484000 Its meme energy It was alway their we're just learning how to use it now

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:09:10 2016 No.8484010 >>8483859 >thanks, i didn't realize about that. is that an important advantage though? considerably. it makes spaceships like you seen in sci-fi movies possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:14:49 2016 No.8484020 >>8484000 It's definitely a huge decrease of entropy, I can say that much. Maybe one of the bigger swinging brain dicks around here can clarify if that's the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:15:11 2016 No.8484021 >>8482993 >had an effect on the presidential race No and I don't know where you fags got that idea from.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:16:55 2016 No.8484025 >>8484021 They're either joking or deluded. Don't take them too seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:17:46 2016 No.8484029 >>8484000 It doesn't violate conservation of energy. It violates conservation of momentum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:20:06 2016 No.8484036 >>8484029 Except it doesn't. For the last time. Photons carry momentum and EM Drive does nothing but emit microwaves (aka photons). And that momentum produces thrust.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:20:46 2016 No.8484037 >>8484000 >Can thrust without a propellant constitute a net creation of energy. There is no creation of energy. The EM drive requires energy to run.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:21:53 2016 No.8484043

>>8484029
Free momentum is even worse then free energy. We know for that energy might not be an exactly conserved quantity since the Lagrangian for an expanding universe isn't necessarily time translationally invariant. Their is no reason whatsoever though for momentum to not be conserved, and numerous experimental, mathematical, and hypothetical arguments that say that it always will be conserved.
>>8484036
It's two orders of magnitude more powerful than a perfectly efficient photon drive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:22:55 2016 No.8484045 What will the next big thing be, /sci/? CRISPR human trials coming back with positive results?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:27:47 2016 No.8484060

>>8484000
We know for some time that vacuum is actually filled with particles,transient ones that come into being but suddenly disappear, this process endless and fast, scientists said till now that's not not possible to extract energy from those things because its too hard to interact with that also conservation of energy would be broken making it impossible but EM drive seems to be able to do that, while EM drive is not energy source it makes 0 point energy extraction more likely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:27:55 2016 No.8484061 >>8484043 >It's two orders of magnitude more powerful than a perfectly efficient photon drive. Wrong, it isn't. In fact, the thrust it produces can be theoretically calculated and it fits all the predictions.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:28:24 2016 No.8484062

>>8484045
CRISPR will never be useful in humans. The genomic instability introduced by any CRISPR element in the genome will invariable have negative effects, and the magnitude and scope of changes needed to produce a desired phenotype for almost all practically significant phenotypes is just too large. CRISPR is significant and useful in biology, but genome editing is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:29:18 2016 No.8484064 Let's say the EmDrive for whatever reason is proven false. What type of propulsion should we research in its stead? Just put all our hopes in shit like SABRE or continue researching other forms of propulsion that are more feasible?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:30:02 2016 No.8484068 File: 142 KB, 521x480, CRISPR in action.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484062

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:31:57 2016 No.8484075 >>8484037 >There is no creation of energy. The EM drive requires energy to run. It creates energy while it requires energy, you cant say it just converts energy because it can theoretically generate much more energy than it is fueled with.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:32:55 2016 No.8484078

>>8484061
The device consumed 50W of power. Assume ALL of it is being radiated as light, unidirectionally. The amount of momentum carried by each photon is (hf/c). How many photons are being emitted? (50W / hf) = # photons/sec How much momentum per photon? P=hf/c Maximum possible dP/dt (ie Force) ? dP/dt=(# photons per sec) x (momentum per photon) so dP/dt=(50/hf) x (hf/c) = 50/c ~= 1.67 x 10-7 Newtons... Magnitude of the thrust reported at 50W? 30 micronewtons = 3x10-5 Newtons. That's 2 orders of magnitude higher than what is possible assuming all the radiated energy is going the right direction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:32:59 2016 No.8484080 >>8484062 >The genomic instability introduced by any CRISPR element in the genome will invariable have negative effects Then why weren't such effects noticed in the HIV rats trial?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:33:00 2016 No.8484081 >>8484075 >because it can theoretically generate much more energy than it is fueled with. What gives you that idea?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:33:18 2016 No.8484082 >>8484021 >>8484025 CTR still has jobs? WEW

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:34:04 2016 No.8484085 >>8483505 Sorry, we've been doing the opposite. >Ebola-chan and company

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:35:22 2016 No.8484091 >>8484085 Ebola is old and busted though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:39:42 2016 No.8484102 File: 313 KB, 1000x571, Pilot_Wave_1000[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8483888 This right here. Not sure about determinism, but Coopenhagen is dead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:42:37 2016 No.8484109 File: 59 KB, 655x527, 1463603112526.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8483057 >scientific community is r/physics >something supported by results of experiments is unscientific because it conflicts with what you thought would happen

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:43:29 2016 No.8484113 >>8484080 The HIV knockout has to match one piece of DNA and destroy it. Genome editing requires not just a specific cut, but a replacement with the desired element. That means off target effects and off target introductions of DNA.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:44:52 2016 No.8484117
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>>8483985
>>8483972
>It's somehow putting its finger on the scale of quantum probability, and causing favorable quantum events with an aggregate effect of bypassing normal physics.

>Point-Emerging-Probably-Entering

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:46:52 2016 No.8484121
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>>8484109
>thread about authors saying it's passed peer review a couple months ago gets locked and mod stickies his post about how it's just a rumor
>paper finally published and mod deletes any post about it
brainlets can't handle the meme machine

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:47:15 2016 No.8484124 >>8482077 Where are my Military-Industrial Complex shills? Can the Suicide Watch look after them? What's next? Andrea Rossi's E-Cat working? (we know it does)

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:48:01 2016 No.8484126 >>8484008 >>8482993 >>8483429 Don't forget Metallic fucking Hydrogen confirmed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:48:26 2016 No.8484127 This is just going to be the neutrino thing all over again

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:49:43 2016 No.8484130 >>8484113 http://www.nature.com/news/crispr-gene-editing-tested-in-a-person-for-the-first-time-1.20988 I guess we will find out more in six months. Though >trusting china

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:56:23 2016 No.8484143 >>8483923 >virtual photons >virtual So this is what caused the Endless Wars..

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:56:40 2016 No.8484145

>>8484078
EmDrive produces 1.2 +/- 0.1 mN of thrust per kW (or 1.2 +/- 0.1 mN / kW ).

Source: OP's link.

So that is 0.0012 +/- 0.0001 mN of thrust per W. Just converted kW to W. I bet you know that 1 kW = 1000 W, or do you not?

Let's convert mN to N (divide by 1000 yet again):

0.0000012 +/- 0.0000001 N / W

According to your own very calculation, the theoritical maximum is: 30 micronewtons per W.

30 micronewtons = 0.00003 N

0.00003 N / W

Oh, who would have thought it? The theory, again, matches the practice! In all the experiments, we are getting way less thrust that the theoretical maximum you just reckoned (about 25 times less thrust, in fact the efficiency is around 4%, LOL), not twice as you stated!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 16:57:19 2016 No.8484146 >>8483888 Fuck, I'm spooked as fuck about a deterministic universe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:02:52 2016 No.8484157 >>8484145 No the theoretical maximum for photon drive is 3.33 x 10-9 N/W

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:03:16 2016 No.8484159 >>8483923 >dark photons

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:06:54 2016 No.8484169 File: 76 KB, 480x454, 1444691463883.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484102 Could higher dimensional beings be controlling the pilot wave?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:07:26 2016 No.8484172

>>8483934

>vacuum

Is it still mainstream to consider that space is "nothing"? Space is clearly something tangiable; how else could it expand and warp. I wouldn't be surprised if the memedrive is somehow creating some directed resonance in space and gaining traction from that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:08:20 2016 No.8484174 >>8484102 That sounds so much more convincing than lol magic electron cloud. Why did copenhagen prevail for so long?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:09:22 2016 No.8484177

>>8484121

There's always this peculiar spergy subset of science people - they work very hard to understand something, then become impossibly rigid and regard their (eventually) 3 or 4 decade old understanding as complete and comprehensive and final, and are utterly irrational on the topic. All the same they're useful gatekeepers since they'll spot trivial errors in the nonsense that makes up 99.99% of "radical new" evidence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:09:26 2016 No.8484178 >>8483888 >realists actually believe this

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:09:49 2016 No.8484180 >>8483095 Ill tell ya ma that your lyin to strangers on internet!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:10:29 2016 No.8484182 >>8483880 >observation is invalid without theory The extremely simple machine here is your brainlet gland.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:11:58 2016 No.8484188 File: 2.49 MB, 576x324, 1477903516525.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484169 >Future higher dimensional versions of ourselves control the pilot waves

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:14:22 2016 No.8484192 File: 24 KB, 440x280, Adam-Smith.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484102 >An electron is pushed around by a guiding "pilot wave" Almost like an invisible hand...

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:16:23 2016 No.8484194
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>>8484188
>successful people are successful because their success allowed their descendants to prosper and in turn control the pilot waves of their ancestor to make him successful

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:16:38 2016 No.8484195

>>8484178
Realist = doesn't believe in Copenhagen (ie particles are real things, never conceptual clouds of probability) right?

Or are you saying that realists want a deterministic universe?

Sorry I'm only just now reading about this shit I don't know what you mean with your comment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:18:31 2016 No.8484200 >>8484192 Dohoho Now we just need to find a feminist perspective on Quantum Electrodynamics and we'll be golden.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:18:52 2016 No.8484201 >>8483841 they don't require propellant

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:19:26 2016 No.8484204 File: 20 KB, 220x334, 220px-Plato_Pio-Clemetino_Inv305.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484169 >>8484188 >higher dimensional >2016 >Unironically stumbling into Platonic Forms

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:19:30 2016 No.8484205 File: 182 KB, 400x400, 1479440901188.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484192

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:19:48 2016 No.8484207 File: 23 KB, 480x360, IMG_0469.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Tfw Nazis were doing this in the 40s

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:21:03 2016 No.8484214 >>8484207 Why were the nazis so successful at science? Legit question

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:22:37 2016 No.8484218 >>8484214 They kind of were not at all. They were successful at engineering though, the reason for that is that at the time there was a lot of know-how in the Reich.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:22:46 2016 No.8484219 >>8484214 Scientists had funding and a good goal to work for

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:23:57 2016 No.8484224 File: 21 KB, 659x343, bachat35.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484188 >>8484194

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:23:58 2016 No.8484225 >>8484214 They weren't. They drove out all the talent with their anti-semitism/deutsch physick in b4 >muh V2s it wasn't anything new.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:23:59 2016 No.8484226 >>8484214 they did a lot of pseudoscience. A great deal of their results where wrong. They also drained Europe of scientist and smart people in general because they where gassed or had to flee.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:24:05 2016 No.8484229 >>8484214 Because Hitler hardcore funded crazy shit that no one else took seriously especially rockets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:25:14 2016 No.8484232 >>8484214 no jews to shoot down and ridicule innovative thought like all the (((physicists))) in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:29:20 2016 No.8484245 wtf is going on Deepmind? I miss my AIwaifu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:30:17 2016 No.8484249 >>8484010 >it allows FTL no it doesn't

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:32:27 2016 No.8484252 >>8484249 My favorite part of your post is where you put words in his mouth

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:32:42 2016 No.8484253 File: 86 KB, 620x359, dark matter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8483519 >extremely unlikely because these concept withstood the tests of time for several centuries Is that why 96% of the universe is now made of invisible pixie dust?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:35:47 2016 No.8484263 >>8484253 >Is that why 96% of the universe is now made of invisible pixie dust? Based in what we know, yeah. Still better than nothing, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:37:47 2016 No.8484271 >>8483290 Joke - The meme war never existed Spoke - The meme war has ended Woke - The meme war has only begun

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:39:38 2016 No.8484275

>>8482077
This must be what Hillary Clinton was talking about in her leaked emails when she said "Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space."

My only fear is that once we master zero point energy we then start using 3D printers to lay down atoms which then make precious metals lose all value since we can simply create gold bars quickly with little energy expended.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:40:31 2016 No.8484279 >>8484252 what fucking sci-fi movies exist that use non-FTL to travel around the fucking galaxy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:40:57 2016 No.8484280 >>8483980 As long as you have electricity, you can keep accelerating.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:43:01 2016 No.8484288 >>8484279 avatar

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:43:27 2016 No.8484289 >>8484279 >what fucking sci-fi movies exist that use non-FTL to travel around the fucking galaxy? I think there is a few, but the only one a can think of is the one where Sean Connery plays a space trucker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:44:05 2016 No.8484290 >>8484275 Why would you fear such a thing? Do you have massive stockpiles of gold?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:45:04 2016 No.8484292 >>8484064 An actual meme drive fueled by dank memes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:46:53 2016 No.8484297 File: 39 KB, 620x386, Ron.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484290

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:47:16 2016 No.8484298 >>8484194 Kek.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:47:35 2016 No.8484299 >>8484279 >non-FTL Avatar. Alien. bunch of other TV shows/Movies/Books etc that are set in just our solar system where people aren't using FTL.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:49:44 2016 No.8484305 >>8484263 When your theory disagrees with reality by 2500%, either your theory is wrong or your reality is wrong. You're trying to tell me it's the second one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:50:51 2016 No.8484307 >>8484299 Time dilation at relativistic speed could make space travel reasonable for the occupants.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:51:35 2016 No.8484309 >>8484279 Not a movie but "Universe" by Heinlein

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:52:55 2016 No.8484311 >>8483109 Oh yeah NASA is so smart what with killing people because they forgot that screws shrink in colder environment. No really, fuck NASA.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:54:41 2016 No.8484318 >>8484307 t. Alastair Reynolds

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 17:55:52 2016 No.8484319

>>8484305
>When your theory disagrees with reality by 2500%, either your theory is wrong or your reality is wrong. You're trying to tell me it's the second one.
The problem is that is that there is no other theory that manage to explain as much as the current does, so we stick to it. Once something better show up, it will replace the current one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:00:33 2016 No.8484331 Holy shit, the absolute madmen did it! Now imagine the potential it is going to have after Trump said that he is going to MAKE NASA GREAT AGAIN WE INTERSTELLAR NOW

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:01:52 2016 No.8484333 >>8484331 Trump can't even understand climate change when he lives on a planet that went through billions of years of climate change that made human life possible. Do you really think he gives two cents about NASA?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:04:40 2016 No.8484339 File: 16 KB, 600x96, received(white ea).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484078 Deflated version: Published paper claims 1.2 ±

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:05:41 2016 No.8484341 >>8484333 That's a complete non-sequitur.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:06:41 2016 No.8484343

>>8484172
>Is it still mainstream to consider that space is "nothing"? Space is clearly something tangiable
Pretty sure huge amount of people are aware of it, but its more than simply being tangible the study says that vacuum may be manipulable, you know, creating waves in vacuum is very counter-intuitive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:07:03 2016 No.8484344 >>8484126 >Metallic fucking Hydrogen Tell me more anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:07:16 2016 No.8484345 >>8484305 Reality changes the more we know and do

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:08:33 2016 No.8484347 >>8484333 Pretty sure he wanted to utilize nasa to go to one of Jupiter's moons to harvest resources.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:09:50 2016 No.8484351 >>8484081 It can reach near light speeds with little energy

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:11:07 2016 No.8484356 >>8484351 Even if that were true, it does not mean it generates more energy than it is fueled with.

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:14:00 2016 No.8484361

>>8484333
Climate change is not sexy enought for a high test man, it is an effeminate subject.
But colonizing galaxy, holy shit -- imagine all those sexy alien females waiting for white man's dick, imagine all those resources waiting for us..

Climate change can GTFO, EARTH can GTFO, we are interstellar now!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:14:08 2016 No.8484362 File: 129 KB, 680x921, dieglocke.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Didn't Nazis already know about this?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:18:20 2016 No.8484373
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>>8484021
>>8484025
You faggots have no idea. If you only saw half the shit we saw this year, oh boy...

BTW i came here to bring you this:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1802

>Remember, our nonviolent ETI from the contiguous universe are helping us bring zero point energy to Earth. They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:21:23 2016 No.8484380 >>8484341 you're a non-sequitur

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:22:34 2016 No.8484387 >>8484373 I already talked about this you nigger. See >>8484275

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:28:46 2016 No.8484407 >>8484214 Nazi archeological teams working with their finnish allies to uncover long-lost battlefields from the hyperwar

>>	ash !kR9lpurGm. Sat Nov 19 18:35:49 2016 No.8484424 >>8482077 This can motivate something really really big in the next days or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:39:17 2016 No.8484432 File: 254 KB, 506x482, 1478647426652.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how fast can we go with this exactly is it just for mars trip or could we reach other systems in human lifetime

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:41:11 2016 No.8484440 >>8484432 >endless acceleration >how far can we go?!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:45:47 2016 No.8484464 >>8484432 0.1c in 12k years for 1 kg spaceship and 80 μN force

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:46:29 2016 No.8484470 >>8483718 Because political reasons. I he would had been a white Christian he wouldn't be famous right now. Guess which collective that makes less than 10% of the total population control academia.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:46:29 2016 No.8484471 File: 53 KB, 800x474, hind d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If I replaced the rotor a hind with an EMdrive, how much power would it need to produce the same amount of lift?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 18:58:45 2016 No.8484510 File: 47 KB, 740x272, Nazis invent everything.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8484214 The real question is, do the NASA keep nazi old men as slaves? Or did the nazis told everything to NASA and then they were liberated/imprisioned?

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:01:27 2016 No.8484515

>>8484062
>never
THERE GOES THAT WORD AGAIN

Dear science,

How about, now follow me closely here, we never say "never" again. How about, and please follow me very closely here, we simply say "X is not currently possible at this time," or "X does not fit into our current understanding of reality at this current time."

No more nevers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:01:28 2016 No.8484516 >>8484510 Most of them are either dead or senile, so I don't think NASA have some basement with Nazi scientists in it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:04:54 2016 No.8484531 >>8483927 10/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:04:58 2016 No.8484532 >>8484333 I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Climate Change will not be forgiven

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:14:39 2016 No.8484565 >>8482113 >le reddit post

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:17:21 2016 No.8484577

>>8484343

>vacuum

There's that word again which references nothing but the absence of matter.

>creating waves in vacuum is very counter-intuitive.

Yet nobody bats an eyelid at the concept EM radiation, which is waves of what exactly? Space is malleable we know this for a fact, QED it's something with tangiable properties.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:39:53 2016 No.8484647 HI /POL/!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:46:02 2016 No.8484660 Can someone please explain to me what the EM Drive actually does? Is it a rocket that shoots out microwaves from the exhaust instead of the burned fuel? What is the process that "impossibly" supplies thrust?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:48:29 2016 No.8484665 >>8484660 It doesn't shoot out anything. That's why people say it is impossible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 19:57:37 2016 No.8484690 We /imperiumofman/ now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:11:56 2016 No.8484732 >>8482249 this guy is larping, he didn't understand the experiment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:12:58 2016 No.8484735 >>8482261 too bad your gullible enough to listen to somebody simply because you can't grasp what he said

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:14:53 2016 No.8484739 File: 120 KB, 680x986, watergondola.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8482077 Could I use regular light instead of microwaves? Say a search logh for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:15:26 2016 No.8484740 >>8484021 hillary clinton said pepe was a white supremacist icon, i'd say 4chan had an effect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:16:29 2016 No.8484743 >>8484373 that's a spam email from someone podesta never replied to, nice job reading it before you go flippin' shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:18:37 2016 No.8484750 >>8484471 questions like this aren't truly answerable until more data is presented, they were simply trying to test the idea not optimize the efficiency of the propulsion

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:19:11 2016 No.8484753 >>8484743 I never claimed he answered it. But you would like to check who is the man sending the email also. Edgar D. Mitchell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:23:18 2016 No.8484762 >>8482249 well gravity literally exists at every point in the universe so, yeah. wrong. whatever you were trying to say, wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:31:59 2016 No.8484780 >>8483026 at that rate it wouls take a whole year for the drive to accelerate 1kg in space, to an astonishing speed of 9.46 m/s. JUST

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:35:59 2016 No.8484792

>>8484660
"If the vacuum is indeed mutable and degradable as was explored, then it might be possible to do/extract work on/from the vacuum, and thereby be possible to push off of the quantum vacuum and preserve the laws of conservation of energy and conservation of momentum. It is proposed that the tapered RF test article pushes off of quantum vacuum fluctuations, and the thruster generates a volumetric body force and moves in one direction while a wake is established in the quantum vacuum that moves in the other direction."

Read More: http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:41:59 2016 No.8484812 File: 120 KB, 1240x775, marty-mcfly-uses-mattel-hoverboard-escape-thugs-2015.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hoverboard soon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:43:40 2016 No.8484818 >>8483422 Wouldn't it be really easy to check for exhaust if that were the case?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 20:43:57 2016 No.8484819 >>8484812 If only.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 21:29:02 2016 No.8484939 >>8483770 haha, your kidding yourself if you think that proves anything other than you not being smart enough to prove it is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 21:30:30 2016 No.8484946 >>8483422 if you think nasa scientists didn't test this, you really are a dumb motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 21:34:54 2016 No.8484958 >>8483333 people like this are why I'll be laughing my ass off when the tests in space come back with legit results

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 21:41:42 2016 No.8484980 >>8484311 >engineers say: There's an issue >management say: You launch on time or our budget gets cut >Booster explodes >totally the engineers fault

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 22:24:52 2016 No.8485058
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>>8484344
At the risk of derailing the thread:

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/11/harvard-researchers-created-solid.html
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1610/1610.01634.pdf

tl;dr; metallic hydrogen forms at 495GPa

Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:02:25 2016 No.8485138

>>8482107
>If it's true, it may well be the most significant scientific discovery ever. Certainly in our lives.
>Come on Anon that's an exaggeration.
No, no it is not. Let's be real clear here, the VAST majority of the mass of a launch vehicle on the launch pad is the fuel. If you don't have to have fuel, then suddenly the loads you can get into space suddenly dramatically increased. This is the holy fucking grail right here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:04:09 2016 No.8485140 >>8482107 It needs electricity to power it, but not much of it is needed to create a ton of delta V while in space.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:04:09 2016 No.8485141 >>8485138 Seems a bit too good to be true

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:04:37 2016 No.8485142 >>8485138 Yeah, good luck getting off the fucking planet with an EM drive, if it even works. You realize how laughably weak the measured thrust is, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:04:41 2016 No.8485143 >>8485138 Except the EM drive produces so little thrust it can't even move things on Earth, let alone launch things off Earth. The EM drive is only useful in space.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:06:26 2016 No.8485147 >>8483058 >>8483062 Nah, it's pretty much a microwave strapped to a cone. A solar panel attached to a microwave strapped to a cone would be the only thing that you'd need.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:10:10 2016 No.8485152 >>8485147 So this is only for in-system travel, then, not interstellar? There are reactors that can generate electricity from fissile material small enough to fit inside a car, but is it enough to run an EM drive at the currently known specs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 19 23:22:53 2016 No.8485179 >>8485152 Who the fuck knows? We'll find out in the coming months whenever NASA tests it in space. This thing hasn't been widely peer-reviewed yet, so it may very well be nothing more than just junk.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 20 03:19:30 2016 No.8485475 >>8483105 Because everyone dependent on those models just lost their funding.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 20 03:57:12 2016 No.8485510 >>8485142 >>8485143 You do realise now you just need fuel to take off once or twice, and moving between gravitational bodies can be done with EmDrive?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 20 04:26:12 2016 No.8485539 >>8485475 >dark budget xD

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 20 06:29:11 2016 No.8485661 >>8485179 >BUT ITS JUST A MEME its works >WHERES THE DATA? journal article produced >BUT IT HASNT BEEN PEER REVIEWED\ its peer reviewed >BUT IT HASNT BEEN WIDELY PEER REVIEWED You fags are the worst.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 20 11:20:52 2016 No.8486022 So will we have interstellar travel within the century if this works?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 20 11:46:11 2016 No.8486058 https://youtu.be/TttHkDRuyZw This video explains why it can work, why Einsteinian physics has pushed out Electrical engineering as the dominant model, and that the Nazis had already figured a good deal of it out in their time.

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