Trump and Climate Change 2

[Anonymous No.8468275]

President Elect Trump has set up a website asking how we can make America Great Again. Now is your chance to write why climate change is a real issue that needs to be addressed.

Link: https://apply.ptt.gov/yourstory/

[Anonymous No.8468307]

Tell trump to support nuclear power and thorium.

[Anonymous No.8468314]

>>8468275
This is /sci/ not /leftypol/

You leftists need to realize that people are tired of you trying to wedge your politics into everything.

[Anonymous No.8468320]

>>8468275
>second day of Papa Trump's presidency
>already asking the free people what they want to change

This guy, fuck. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of his term america had changed to a pure democracy rather than a representative one.

Can't believe people even considered Hillary. Had she been president this website would be private, only accesible to Goldman Sachs executives.

[Anonymous No.8468351]

>>8468314

Climate change isn't a matter of right versus left, a matter of life and death.

[Anonymous No.8468352]

>>8468320
>pure democracy
>thinking that this is a good thing

[Anonymous No.8468357]

>>8468275
Didn't Trump say that climate change is a hoax?

[Anonymous No.8468358]

>>8468314

> This is /sci/ not /leftypol/

Oh look it's the guy who said that we shouldn't do anything about Trump reversing the progress we've made combating climate change. Get the fuck out if here, you are either a troll that sucks Trump's cock or actually retarded. Either way, kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.8468361]

>>8468357

Yes. But at least he wants "clean air".

[Anonymous No.8468384]

>>8468314
>le bait

[Anonymous No.8468385]

>>8468320
The republicans would have him killed if he tried that.

[Anonymous No.8468400]

>>8468384

No I think they might actually be retarded.

[Anonymous No.8468405]

>>8468358
This sub is for science not politics. If you want to push your progressive global warming agenda, then go to reddit.

[Anonymous No.8468406]

>>8468405

> using the outdated term "global warming" instead of "climate change"

Found the climate change denier

[Anonymous No.8468409]

>>8468358
>the progress we've made combating climate change

bro I'm not a climate change denier but we haven't progressed jack shit, defunding the UN's programs is smart no matter how you look at it

[Anonymous No.8468425]

>>8468409
A totalitarian technocratic global carbon rationing government apparatus needs a lot of funding and works best when it can't be disabled. When you really need your carbon down the road and the time comes for you to blame someone for enabling that nightmare just look in the mirror.

[Anonymous No.8468431]

>>8468425
yes, if that day ever comes I assure you I'll blame myself

[Anonymous No.8468439]

>>8468275
We could shut down every factory on Earth and drastic climate change is still going to happen.

Wtf do you fags want to do? Build all our cities underground or some shit?

[Anonymous No.8468455]

>>8468439
Support nuclear power rather than trying to prop up coal, don't push to remove the Paris Agreement or the Clean Power Plan. Obviously we have ice ages, etc. which drastically change the climate, but things like rising sea levels affect much more people quickly.

[Anonymous No.8468458]

>>8468431
Well I hope you don't seriously believe the climate meme was pushed for anything but? Like saving earth? Being a climate heretic myself I sometimes wonder about the other camp and how they figure to benefit from the meme. Anyway people like Trump, when that day comes, may find it economical to simply hire carbon lawyers and evade any personal carbon rationing. Or worse, may see a tidy profit to be had in the new carbon meme market?

[Anonymous No.8468505]

>>8468320
>Trump
>democracy
Pick one. Daily reminder that he's losing the popular vote.

[Anonymous No.8468528]

>>8468275
I've posted a response dealing with the basic effects of global warming couched with some American exceptionalism and religious stuff. I recommend you post this somewhere where there are a good number of actual scientists and it will get more attention, like /r/science (as much as I hate Reddit). The Citizens' Climate Lobby is trying to work with Republican congressmen and you can read about getting involved if you'd like, though it's not for everyone.

[Anonymous No.8468536]

>>8468505
And then there's the fact that he wants Donald jr in his administration.

[Anonymous No.8468537]

>>8468357
>Didn't Trump say that climate change is a hoax?
Yes, and he's an anti-vaxer.

[Anonymous No.8468543]

>>8468439
>Wtf do you fags want to do?
For a start, reduce per-capita energy consumption.
(which we're already doing in first-world countries)
Let's also stop making so many babies.

[Anonymous No.8468546]

>>8468537
Here's just a small sample of tweets in case anyone denies:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/508183486747136000?lang=en
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552?lang=en
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/318120545185062912?lang=en

[Anonymous No.8468548]

>>8468314
>asking someone who can fund scientific research to fund scientific research
>this is bringing politics into science

[Anonymous No.8468549]

>>8468543
I need more welfare fuck off. Ill have all the children I want, they be good workers too

[Anonymous No.8468550]

>>8468505
>Daily reminder that he's losing the popular vote.
He's still about a million votes behind where Romney was 4 years ago.
I'm torn between being disappointed we didn't let a more moderate republican in back then, and glad we got an obvious buffoon that will hopefully fuck up so badly the republicans never recover.

[Anonymous No.8468572]

>>8468505
The US isn't a direct democracy. Both candidates knew the rules, and one conceded to the other based on those rules.

[Anonymous No.8468574]

(asked in the other thread, but there was no answer, so i’m trying my luck here as well for someone who could possibly to point me in the right direction.)

How does one prove the relation about the rising CO2 level and rising temperature?

How do we know the two are connected and that a rising temperature is not just a part of the earth cycle irregardless of CO2 level?

[Anonymous No.8468580]

>>8468574
Just show all the "coincidences", like 13 of the 14 hottest years on record being all in this century, along with the science of why C02 heats the atmosphere.

Also this video is great for debunking common denialist beliefs.
https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU

[Anonymous No.8468586]

>>8468543
>Let's also stop making so many babies
No, that option is simply not on the table! You will give up your carbon so carbon deficient populations can thrive!

[Anonymous No.8468601]

>>8468314
>half the threads on 4chan are about Trump right now
>one thread about global warming
>"omg le leftists stop bringing le politics into everything !!"

[Anonymous No.8468611]

>>8468314
Huh? /leftypol/ likes trump.
>>8468351
sick b8

[Anonymous No.8468617]

>>8468574
http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect-intermediate.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature-intermediate.htm

It's worth noting that the correlation between CO2 level and temperature goes both ways. Historically, temperature change has been leading CO2 change, but since humans have begun producing CO2 en masse, the correlation has shifted so that CO2 change is leading temperature change.

[Anonymous No.8468627]

>>8468275
>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.8468709]

>>8468314
kys human waste

[Anonymous No.8468758]

>>8468550
I never liked Romney too much but Trump makes me really miss the guy

[Anonymous No.8468835]

>>8468275
Governments generally do not make sound investment decisions that lead to sustainable energy practices or technologies.

Why do you think that the federal government can create some magical legislation that will make global warming go away?

The private sector will pick up the slack like it always does.

[Anonymous No.8468837]

>>8468505
>USA
>democracy
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.8468843]

>>8468837
>He posts the primary vote from eight years ago
>Not the presidential vote from three days ago

?????

[Anonymous No.8468849]

>>8468843
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.8468866]

>>8468843
Sure you know what democracy is?

[Anonymous No.8468872]

>>8468275
>believing in climate change
Congratulations you fell for the greatest fraud in the history of science.

[Anonymous No.8468879]

>>8468550
>an obvious buffoon
?
Trump repeats the same shit that won Clinton 2 terms, and he's an extremist buffon?

You want a moderate cuckservative who ensures more republican states turn blue with mass migration?

[Anonymous No.8468885]

>>8468872
Oh, so, pray tell, because I have no explanation for the lakes and rivers drying up and the glaciers disappearing in:
Africa, Middle East, Iran, Asia, South America. Is it too many unicorns drinking it all?

[Anonymous No.8468974]

>>8468617
>correlation has shifted
Yes, but only in Brainwashington during a Blue Moon and in the presence of a beer-reviewed Climate Fairy. Pic shows temperature and CO2 during the El Nino of 1998/1999.

[Anonymous No.8468980]

>>8468550
>glad we got an obvious buffoon that will hopefully fuck up so badly the republicans never recover.
Glad to see that, like all the Republicans that voted for the shutdown and cost us our credit rating - that you care more about your political team than your nation.

[Anonymous No.8468981]

You all take Al Gore's words as gospel. The liberal bias on this board is so evident.

[Anonymous No.8468983]

>>8468980
>the credit downgrade was caused by the shutdown
ahahahahhahaahahaha

[Anonymous No.8468998]

>>8468275
He's already addressed this in his "first 100 day plan" he released yesterday.

> I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

Clean coal sounds like a great idea and it'll bring back jobs to the devastated rust belt.

[Anonymous No.8469124]

>>8468998
the fuck is clean coal?

[Anonymous No.8469143]

>>8468275

[Anonymous No.8469208]

>>8468998
>he released yesterday
No, it's from his October speech in Gettysburg that the corrupt media suppressed. It also appeared on the donaldjtrump web site on October 22, 2016.

[Anonymous No.8469219]

>>8469143
ayy

[Anonymous No.8469232]

>>8468307
this

[Anonymous No.8469276]

>>8468586
Is "carbon" the new tinfoil version of "bodily fluids"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

[Anonymous No.8470377]

>>8468307
>Tell trump to support nuclear power and thorium.

Environmentalists will just protest that as well, ironically doing the exact same shit climate change deniers do.

https://youtu.be/TLuKXOVnzhE?t=106

[Anonymous No.8470416]

>>8468320
>Implying Trump staffers will read anything submitted to this PR tool.

[Anonymous No.8470430]

>>8468543
Don't worry about the babies. The government will no longer subsidize the local nigger factory by paying degenerates more money per coco puff they shit out.

[Anonymous No.8470439]

>>8468314
Go back ratfucker.

[Anonymous No.8470678]

>>8468837
You realize that's the vote for a primary election, right? As in, a primary run by that specific party, and not the national government? The only thing that should tell you is how that party operates.

[Anonymous No.8470702]

>>8468314
Definitely bait. /sci/ can give their opinion scientifically to political figures to shape a better world, this isn't wedging leftist views into anything.

[Anonymous No.8470765]

>>8470702
>>8468601
Trying to contain /pol/ has become a futile effort. Even before the election they had control over discourse here.

[Anonymous No.8470778]

I know this isn't really a /sci/ sort of question but does his "le Chinese scam" excuse make any economic sense?

[Anonymous No.8470782]

>>8470778
Kind of. The huge US / Chinese trade deficit supports it.

[Anonymous No.8470784]

>>8470765
Some sort of entropy and relation of recent events.

[Anonymous No.8470790]

>>8470778
Having to comply with regulations is expensive. There are hundreds of examples, but, for example, you can't just release certain harmful industrial byproducts into the air, instead you have to do something which costs money, such as paying to have them disposed of or treated, for example.

Making US manufacturing more expensive is the same thing as making it less competitive.

[Anonymous No.8470792]

>>8470778
The idea is that China pushes western countries to cut emissions making their manufacturing less competitive with Chinese manufacturing, since the Chinese don't cut emissions

[Anonymous No.8470795]

>>8470790
The regulations are there to save money in the long run for the overall economy. We have regulations on how companies treat hazardous waste so that we don't have to spend money on doctors for cancer treatment and cleaning the pollution later on. The company is spending more money but everyone else will be saving money. Of course the thing needed is finding the right balance.

[Anonymous No.8470839]

>>8470778
The powers that be would never let anyone but one of their obedient underlings become president of US. He is either ignorant or intentionally spreading disinformation, it is well documented man made global cooling - warming - climate change was hatched by the Club of Rome. I don't even care if all the worlds trinkets and baubles are made in China but it was one way to disenfranchise a large chunk of the working class in the first world and from a business standpoint made sense, why pay a blue collar first world worker a living wage for the first world when you can pay third world wages and still sell to the first world man at first world prices reaping enormous profits in the process - Like Trump himself does...for awhile. The debt slavery game is closing in on the entire world and one wonders how that awkward collection and day of reckoning will go down. America will never be great again and Trump is not even a very typical American, most people are not born into that sort of obscene wealth so there is already a conflict of interest between him and the pleb.

[Anonymous No.8471307]

>>8468998
>Clean coal
This is what happens when you run your mouth without knowing what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.8471315]

>>8468275
Proof that climate change is man made?
I'm genuinely asking, I have never looked into it. Also I dont just want the claim that X amount of climate scientists say so.

[Anonymous No.8471328]

>>8471315
It doesn't matter anymore, the debate is over because the taxation is in place and there is one thing about taxes. They are never repealed, ever! Even if the climate appears normal for eons you and future generations will keep paying and paying to enrich an ever growing global fascist technocratic bureaucracy until it is an enormous engorged parasitic entity that begins crushing everything in its path....

[Anonymous No.8471351]

>>8471328
>They are never repealed
that is demonstrably wrong. A major medical device tax was just repealed in the US this past december.
really grasping at straws now.

[Anonymous No.8471361]

>>8468998
> Clean coal sounds like a great idea

So do free money, perpetual motion, and dick pills. Unfortunately, these things are all scams.

[Anonymous No.8471370]

>>8471307
god yes. 'Clean coal' does not exist; it was invented by the coal lobby.

[Anonymous No.8471376]

>>8470782
How does the US/China trade deficit support the idea that the Chinese invented climate change to undermine the US?

[Anonymous No.8471391]

>>8468439
>We could shut down every factory on Earth and drastic climate change is still going to happen.

I know there are immediate business interests but this doesn't have to be a partisan issue. We all live on the same planet and have a duty to the same ecosystems.
Why does one's position on ACC have to be conflated with platforms regarding gun rights and illegal immigration?
If you have capacity for independent, critical thought, you will consider unbiased sources and come to your own conclusion which may or may not align with any particular ideological faction. But that's what will serve your lineage and that of everyone else and perhaps every other living thing in the long-term.

[Anonymous No.8471392]

>>8468439
There is a difference between natural climate cycles which occur due to a variety of factors, including solar activity, and runaway global warming. If the rate of hydrocarbon output into the atmosphere consistently and by a significant margin surpasses the rate at which it is captured and removed, then you eventually reach a point-of-no-return wherein there exists a significant risk that over a matter of centuries warming will continue regardless of all other variables, setting Earth on a course to virtual sterility. In the mean time, ecosystems will be annihilated.

[Anonymous No.8471395]

>>8468409
we're trying to prevent a catastrophe by limiting hydrocarbon emissions. We'll be moving backward if we encourage coal power.

[Anonymous No.8471402]

>>8468275
but first remove the undesirables/muds

[Anonymous No.8471438]

>>8468574
Well any chemistry or physicsist can explain and prove you that it s just that co2 is a molecule that trap light in cinetc energy through their bonds very well just less than wather steam but better than anything else

[Anonymous No.8471472]

>>8471392
>runaway global warming
What is the current runaway rate in terms of K per year?

[Anonymous No.8471515]

>>8470778
Sort of. Having to comply with a load of regulations is certainly going to be a factor in making US manufacturing less competitive when compared to China. However this is an utterly minuscule factor when you when you remember that China has a little over a billion people that it can (and does) treat as glorified slave labour, paying them peanuts and working them to point where mass suicide becomes a viable alternative.

So in short, the idea you can make US manufacturing competitive with China just by removing some regulations is a retarded idea. I've no idea how a business man could think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.8471946]

>>8471315
the existence of it? no. but the speed of it is.

[Anonymous No.8472263]

>>8471472

>Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

[Anonymous No.8472273]

>>8472263
>The predicted
Yeah, I am sure! We tax you now and see if the prediction comes true next century...Mmmmmkay? Because the tax can prevent it all from unfolding, give us your carbon and we will protect you...

[Anonymous No.8472279]

>>8468543
so you are going to go conquer china india and africa and genocide them? desu, those are the largest population areas with largest growth or probability of growth. All telling white people, not to have kids is going to do, is reduce white levels worldwide. Ironically, they are also one of the few populations that puts off having kids for this reason. So, in the long term you will get rid of western countries and white populations, while africa continues to shit out kids like cockroaches. Good job committing demographic genocide that doesn't actually do anything to stop overpopulation

[Anonymous No.8472497]

>>8471370
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.8472510]

>>8472497
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_coal

[Anonymous No.8472583]

>neither candidate making tenable environmental goals during election
>global population continues to surge at diminished resources
>little to nothing will be done to reconcile emissions
>clathrate gun already unthawing
>ocean is bleaching
>local area is in drastic droughts

I cannot even pay attention in my classes anymore, I am in a fog that will not cease and these nihilistic, horrid persistent spells of doom persist. What can I do? I am in a state of absolute despondency, whatever modicum of hope there was before has now been drained and I dread each coming day headlong into the population correction.

[Anonymous No.8472610]

>>8472583
>neither candidate
>global population
I know US is world police and everything but seriously. There will be emissions, deal with it. When the correction comes it comes, better that than enable some huge totalitarian world environmental police force, they just may assign more rights to a rock that you should that happen. At least in a free fall all you stand a fighting chance.

[Anonymous No.8472625]

>>8472610
>it is better to be in a dystopian sink than in a highly-restricted and regulated system with assured food, water, and resources

Do you have heroic Mad Max daydreams too?

[Anonymous No.8473220]

>>8472273
>Yeah, I am sure! We tax you now and see if the prediction comes true next century...Mmmmmkay?
Wow, what an impressive argument.
How ridiculous of us to think that the government should be involved in regulating access to the long-term commons. And what kind of fanatic would make policies based on the predictions of relevant experts, anyway?

>Because the tax can prevent it all from unfolding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality

>>8472610
>better that than enable some huge totalitarian world environmental police force,
Are you just here to jerk off to your persecution fantasies?
No-one has proposed anything even resembling a "huge totalitarian world environmental police force".

[Anonymous No.8473250]

>>8470778

"methane is roughly 30 times more potent [compared to CO2] as a heat-trapping gas"

[Anonymous No.8473255]

>>8473250

[Anonymous No.8473288]

>>8468320
>Goldman Sachs executives
interesting you should mention that

[Anonymous No.8473295]

>tfw studying to become geologist, with concentrations in petroleum and planetary geology
>morality is beginning to combat my love for money
Oh boy.

[Anonymous No.8473304]

>>8473295
What has Obama done in the last 8 years to combat climate change? Serious question.

Sign a non-binding international agreement 7 times that does absolutely nothing but empty promises?
Fail to strike down subsidies for coal and oil?
Fail to propose even a single piece of legislation that leads to investment in real alternative energies (i.e. not solar)?
Fail to convince the anti-science Democrat party that nuclear power isn't actually dangerous?

Literally his greatest accomplishment was be president while Elon Musk brought Tesla into the main stream

[Anonymous No.8473309]

>>8473304
Idk why you're asking me this. I'm not talking politics here, I'm talking personal ethics getting in the way of a future in a successful life.

[Anonymous No.8473310]

>>8473288
I thought we were draining the swamp?

[Anonymous No.8473315]

yeah I didn't mean to reply to you
oh well

[Anonymous No.8473330]

Serious question for everyone here.

Most (all?) major oil companies now have published statements on climate change.

For example:
Exxon Mobil: "We have the same concerns as people everywhere – and that is how to provide the world with the energy it needs while reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
The risk of climate change is clear and the risk warrants action. Increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere are having a warming effect. There is a broad scientific and policy consensus that action must be taken to further quantify and assess the risks."
http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/current-issues/climate-policy/climate-perspectives/our-position

Shell: "Our lives depend on energy wherever we live. But in order to prosper while tackling climate change, society needs to provide much more energy for a growing global population while finding ways to emit much less CO2.

Shell has long recognised the climate challenge and the role of energy in enabling a decent quality of life. We believe that, while technological developments will emerge, effective policy and cultural change is essential to drive low-carbon business and consumer choices and opportunities. The transition to low-carbon solutions is best underpinned by meaningful government-led carbon “pricing” mechanisms."
http://www.shell.com/sustainability/environment/climate-change.html

Plenty more examples at http://www.uwosh.edu/es/climate-change/oil-company-positions-on-the-reality-and-risk-of-climate-change

The consensus in the industry is clearly that climate change is happening and that fossil fuels are largely responsible.

[Anonymous No.8473335]

>>8473330
question is - does Trump think he knows something they don't?

[Anonymous No.8473351]

>>8473335
he knows that he needs to pander to the voter base

>>8473330
these companies also own the vast majority of renewable energy assets worldwide

perhaps the question we should be asking is why the funding for alternative energies like nuclear has virtually dried up

[Anonymous No.8473355]

>>8473330
>to further quantify and assess the risks
No, it's a tax grab ushered in under fear mongering and Exxon is just playing a silly PR card. They know full well modern society revolves around hydro carbon energy and will be sitting at the that table with a fair bit of weight, not like the brunt of little people who will be paying the tax. It's a corporation not a person so don't assign it a personality, all corporations should be treated as psychopathic.

Same with Shell really, who knows if they see a buck to be made moving on on silly CO2 sequestering operations they will be all over it.

>>8473330
>The consensus in the industry
Is that fossil fuels are critical to modern life and recognize that if they don't play ball there is risk of nationalization or becoming a target of hostile climate zealotry. No one can fight the enormous bombardment of AGW propaganda so they are rolling with it. The scariest part is with tunnel vision on an AGW theory many other serious issues may be ignored and remember the theory is not proven nor can it ever be proven. The models so far and inaccurate, the data questionable but the dollar figure revolving around it all growing exponentially. It's just an accessory to the energy business at large so prepare to pay more for energy whilst solving nothing and enriching some corporations and governments who will further suppress and limit the peoples right to cheap energy while we still have it.

[Anonymous No.8473361]

>>8473355
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.8473376]

>>8473355
I'll grant you that there is the potential for them to make money by moving into sequestration or alternative energy, but there is also the potential that they will be disrupted by other companies and see their revenues fall significantly.

It would be so much simpler for the oil companies to continue the approach they modelled on the decades long effort by the cigarette industry to try and bury the science.

[Anonymous No.8473388]

>>8473355
Sure you can paint it as a conspiracy, but isn't their response also consistent with this being a real problem that needs to be addressed?

[Anonymous No.8473426]

>>8473355
>No one can fight the enormous bombardment of AGW propaganda so they are rolling with it.
I love the way that AGW deniers spend so long trying to paint "people who care about the suffering of others" as irrational zealots.

[Anonymous No.8473503]

>>8468275
Wait, does that mean that moth... that man had not planned his set of core policies so its asking you to do so?

Not even a double facepalm can express my incredulity about this.

>>8468307
You mean nuclear power based on thorium instead of Uranium right? If so, fuck yes
>>8468361
Wasnt he planning on support coal?

[Anonymous No.8473509]

>>8473503
The fact that he's asking for input is a huge step in the right direction to me. Do you realize how many politicians go into it thinking they know everything and ignore experts in their respective fields? If he actually listens to the advice he might be the best president America has ever had.

[Anonymous No.8473516]

>>8473426
Hey I care about the people that's why walking ignorantly into perpetual CO2 taxation schemes, be it direct pilfering of the wallets or complex cap and trade schemes, is not a solution to anything except enriching mostly corrupt politicians and large corporations that will lobby hard behind closed doors to be exempt. I suppose a small sect of climate "scientists" put food on the table but the science is questionable and appears to be heavily biased. Despite repeated failures of the models there is not a single peep allowed in the mainstream questioning anything which is why Trump is quite refreshing in that respect.

What I would like to see more of is honesty from politicians and big energy alike. Big energy has been considering alternatives for some time but not because of scary computer models indicating catastrophic climate change, but because of something real world, depletion of reserves and easy cheap energy sources. The obfuscation is what irritates me, stop treating large populations of people like idiots and they might stop acting like idiots. Herd instinct is a scary thing and all the misinformation has created so far is in fact a horde of misinformed ignorant climate zealots who may bring everyone down a very dark path with them.

[Anonymous No.8473520]

>>8473516
Stop lumping science together with media/politicians and actually read some scientific articles if you're going to stick around here. You're making claims that are simply not backed up by science but rather by faith that all scientists are in on a conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.8473523]

>>8473520
>denialism 101

[Anonymous No.8473526]

>>8473523
You haven't posted any proof that scientists all around the world are in on a hoax so excuse me for being a bit skeptical of your religion.

[Anonymous No.8473554]

>>8473509
I'm trying to share your optimism, but its difficult.
Me, being inquisitive as I normallly am, could not help but wonder if something goes wrong he will not use this as an accountability diffusor, or better said: if shit hits the fan, he will blame whoever recommended a policy "I'm just doing what you told me guys"

[Anonymous No.8473561]

>>8473554
His ego is YUGE, I think he's going to do his best so that his family's name gets in the history books. Whether he wants to go down as the worst or best president remains to be seen and his views are all over the place so who knows. He's already got tons of money (we think, those tax returns haven't been shown yet) so I somehow doubt he's going to be easily persuaded by special interest groups. I've been going through the stages of grief too and I think I'm at the acceptance phase. Either that or I'm still bargaining hoping it isn't all doom and gloom.

[Anonymous No.8473568]

What would be the real consequences of withdrawing from the paris agreement? Do other countries have to withdraw too to stay competitive? which sectors will see the most difference?

[Anonymous No.8473623]

>>8473310
Yeah, by bringing in Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich for cabinet positions, Rience Priebus as chief of staff, an exxon mobil lobbyist to run the EPA, a goldman sachs guy to run the treasury...

[Anonymous No.8473625]

>>8473509
Donald Trump has a long history of ignoring advice and going with his gut. Just look at how he managed the Trump Taj Mahal. He went full steam ahead even when other people were cautioning him that the recent decline in the market would leave people unwilling to spend. He ignored them, and sure enough the casino ended up bankrupt.

[Anonymous No.8473631]

>>8473623
Yeh but he got the Breitbart guy though. Gotta love transparent pandering.

[Anonymous No.8473632]

>climate change is a real issue
Everyone knows that, but to assert that it's MAINLY caused by humans, well...

/sci/ - Faith and Worship

>>8468537
Ah yes, wondering whether there is any truth to there being a link between a certain vaccine and autism is another heresy in the Scientific Community.

>>8472583
>clathrate gun already unthawing
Then there is nothing that your taxes and regulations can do.

>I cannot even pay attention in my classes anymore, I am in a fog that will not cease and these nihilistic, horrid persistent spells of doom persist.
Another victim of one's own narrative.

>>8473288
>>8473623
>believing the lugenpresse

>>8473520
"All scientists".

>actually read some scientific articles
What ones? You never link anything.

[Anonymous No.8473634]

>>8473631
>REEE FUCKING WHITE MALES REEEE GET GENOCIDED REEEEEE PRIVILEGE
Pack it in m8, you all sound very silly.

[Anonymous No.8473639]

>>8473632
> believing the lugenpresse
So anything they say about Trump, even stuff like "he's appointing X person to Y post," is automatically false? Because they're the media? Hell, look on breitbart, they're hardly liberal media.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/13/trump-names-steve-bannon-as-white-house-chief-strategist-and-reince-priebus-as-chief-of-staff/

Trump is making Reince Priebus his chief of staff.

[Anonymous No.8473654]

>>8473632
>What ones? You never link anything.
Not my job to do your research for you and I haven't been making claims in the first place. If you claim there are scientific articles disproving AGW then link them. If there are no papers then you're claiming science is a hoax in which case prove that.

[Anonymous No.8474420]

>President Trump announces he has an important announcement for all of the people of the USA to hear
>Half the country tunes in
>Trump staring the camera dead in the eye
>"We have a tremendous problem, just tremendous. Vaccines are causing autism in you children, so think before you say okay to vaccinating them! Think of their futures!."

I can't wait.

[Anonymous No.8474434]

>>8474420
Kel. That would be awesome.
>Trump starts a lone crusade against vaccination

[Anonymous No.8474539]

>>8468275
Climate change is fucking stupid. You might as well worry about continental drift.

You could care about pollution that actually matters, instead you waste everyone's time an money on bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8474546]

>>8468358
>progress we've made combating climate change
please let this be a troll

There has been zero progress. Kyoto treaty is not progress, the other treaties are not progress. Even carbon tax and trade is not progress.

Zero progress has been made.

[Anonymous No.8474561]

>>8473639
When the King of France invited his nobles to take up permanent residence at his palace in Versailles it wasn't because he valued their opinions or company.

The King held his nobles as honor-bound hostages in his prison of gold leaf where the King's spies had control Where the nobles could be watched and controlled, where the nobles couldn't plot against the king.

How can Priebus resist Trump when he's Trump's prisoner?

[Anonymous No.8474597]

>>8474561
Why would you believe he would resist Trump anyways when he's been backing Trump since before the convention?

[Anonymous No.8474603]

>>8473625
If he listened to people about NYC back in the 80's, this city would probably look more like Detroit than how it does now. He brought business back to NYC when everyone was abandoning it and people thought he was crazy for doing so.

[Anonymous No.8474625]

The ultimate solution to climate change is geo-engineering.

No amount of cutting fossil fuels is going to stop it, it only hurts the economy.

[Anonymous No.8475367]

>>8474625
>The ultimate solution to climate change is geo-engineering.
Geo-engineering is a worthless "solution" to global warming, at most it can reduce the symptoms.

>No amount of cutting fossil fuels is going to stop it,
CO2 emissions from fossil sources is the root cause of AGW, of course reducing them is going to reduce the amount of warming.

[Anonymous No.8475491]

>>8473355
>becoming a target of hostile climate zealotry.
Holy shit climate change deniers are so delusional they think there are eco-terrorists running about

[Anonymous No.8475835]

>>8468352
Beats corpocracy

[Anonymous No.8475878]

>>8475835
Which is exactly what you would have gotten with shillary.

[Anonymous No.8475891]

>>8468406
>conflating disbelief of man made climate change with denying the fact that climate changes

[Anonymous No.8475892]

>>8468314
>baiting that bait

[Anonymous No.8475900]

>>8475491
>eco-terrorists running about
There actually are, it's just most of them are too preoccupied with fighting safe, effective, environmentally friendly technologies like nuclear energy and transgenic crops to worry about climate change

[Anonymous No.8475907]

Whilst I am all for this Republicans do not care. They never will.

[Anonymous No.8475909]

>>8468351
Christianity isn't a matter of right versus left, it's a matter of eternal suffering and eternal joy.

[Anonymous No.8475912]

>>8470377
wow thank you for that video it clarified so many things I was thinking. I hope nuclear energy gets the attention it deserves

[Anonymous No.8475947]

>>8468351
Communism isn't a matter of right versus left, it's a matter of restructuring the relationships surrounding the fundamental material factors of socialized labor.

[Anonymous No.8477239]

>>8473310
He's always said he would hire his bloothirsty business friends to run Washington for him under his supervision.

[Anonymous No.8477246]

>>8473625
1-4 failures out of a sea of success. Success which I remind you involves winning an election which no one thought possible. Literally. Even his supporters doubted he would win. No one can get it right all the time, but I'm willing to go with most of the time.

[Anonymous No.8477270]

>>8477246
> 1-4 failures
> drinking the /pol/ koolaid

[Anonymous No.8477281]

>>8477270
Besides the casinos what other large scale failures has he had?

[Anonymous No.8477300]

>>8473634
>Burpbort shill
>C-correct the record amIrite?
Keep deluding yourself, trumplet.

[Anonymous No.8477313]

Trump's planning to get Myron Ebell in charge of the EPA
The guy who wrote an article on why Global Warming is a good thing
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1225/038.html

[Anonymous No.8477327]

>>8477246
Not all businesses that have the Trump name were managed by Trump. Most of the time he just sells the right to the use of his name. The reason why the casinos that failed are highlighted is because they are examples in which Trump played an active role in management, and they ended disastrously.

On top of that, he has a history of screwing his own supporters. The one time he ran a publicly traded company was not only a total disaster, it featured him looting the company while it was going down in flames.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/as-its-stock-collapsed-trumps-firm-gave-him-huge-bonuses-and-paid-for-his-jet/2016/06/12/58458918-2766-11e6-b989-4e5479715b54_story.html

The fact that he promises to run the country the same way should be a red flag for his supporters.

[Anonymous No.8477339]

>>8477327
> WaPo
Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.8477541]

None of you fucking faggots really know what this mythical global warming thing is.

[Anonymous No.8477562]

>>8477327
Yes, yes, Trump failed at everything in life and that's why he's a billionaire who now runs the most powerful country in the world.

[Anonymous No.8477566]

>>8477562
That's why Trump looked scared out of his mind when next to Obama.

[Anonymous No.8477578]

>>8477566

Every president gets the chills at those meetings. I wonder what they show there...

[Anonymous No.8477582]

>>8477578
If Trump knows what the fuck he wants to accomplish when in the White House then how come he is already asking the American public?

[Anonymous No.8477633]

>>8477562
He's a billionaire because he inherited a real estate empire and a famous name from his father. And while he's a terrible businessman, he is a fairly skilled con artist. Look at Trump Hotel and Casino or Trump University. He made quite a bit of money on those, even though the businesses themselves were a failure and a scam respectively. He's also been able to effectively bribe his way out of several fraud charges by paying up the Texas and Florida state attorneys general, all using other people's money.

He's a bad businessman and will be a similarly bad president, but he is a fairly capable conman and was fortunate enough to be born into substantial wealth and power.

[Anonymous No.8477634]

>>8477582
Because a good leader listens to the people he leads?

[Anonymous No.8477642]

>>8477634
Donald "I know more about ISIS than the generals" Trump doesn't listen to anyone but himself.

This is a guy who claimed that he knew everything there was to know about nuclear missiles and could negotiate a better nuclear deal without needing anyone's help, yet didn't know what the nuclear triad was.

This is a guy who, when the FBI said that Russia had hacked the voter registration databases in several states, dismissed it and claimed that he knew better than the FBI and knew that it was really just a 400 lbs guy sitting on a bed in a basement.

Does that sound like someone who listens to others?

[Anonymous No.8477649]

>>8477633
>>8477642
Look, I've harvested enough salt to last me a lifetime thanks to the election. Donates yours to charity or something. People like to point to his small handful of failures while ignoring his dozens of successes, the most unspoken of which was revitalizing NYC. While "good businessmen" abandoned this city to decay, Trump believed in it and developed despite everyone telling him it was a waste of time and money. He did it and brought business back to NYC. And people close to Trump, like Rudy Giuliani knew what it took to seal the deal. Fuck the haters, men like Trump get shit done.

[Anonymous No.8477654]

>>8477642

Shhh...We all know Hillary, it was the russians, alright? Now take your meds and go back to sleep.

[Anonymous No.8477665]

>>8477649
> revitalizing NYC
> He did it and brought business back to NYC.
Plastering your name on things isn't the same as revitalizing the city or bringing business back. Trump mainly just sells his name, he has very little to do without actual business in most cases. People point to those "small handful of failures" because those are the ones that he was actually involved in instead of just selling the right to use his name. Those are the cases where Trump actually had the chance to show off his skills as a businessman, and he demonstrated that he wasn't particularly competent.

The Trump Taj Mahal, for instance, was a textbook example of Trump's style.
- Hype it up to a ridiculous degree
- Silence any doubters through threats of litigation
- Pick small contractors so that you can refuse to pay them and then hide behind an army of lawyers and threats of an expensive court battle that a small contractor couldn't possibly afford
- Do all of this when the market isn't actually there
- When the whole thing fails, blame everyone else

The fact that he played a skilled businessman on a reality TV show doesn't mean he actually is one. The Apprentice isn't real life.

[Anonymous No.8477667]

>>8477654
They did actually hack the voter rolls in four states.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/russian-hackers-targeted-half-states-voter-registration-systems/story?id=42435822

[Anonymous No.8477669]

>>8477665
>Plastering your name on things isn't the same as revitalizing the city or bringing business back.

You don't even know what the fuck I'm talking about, do you? Go shove a banana up your ass.

[Anonymous No.8477677]

>>8477667
> abc "news"

Right... Sure... it was the Russians. Not the overwhelming majority of the American people rejecting your bankrupt dogma. It was just those mean, mean Russians.

[Anonymous No.8477679]

>>8477654
The russians themselves have said that they were in daily contact with trumps campaign team and are still in contact now

[Anonymous No.8477680]

>>8477667
Baseless accusations and cold war rhetoric to mask how shallow and idiotic shillary was. They literally had zero evidence that it was Russia, it was all just propaganda.

>>8477679
No they didn't. Your liberal fantasies aren't reality, and they don't change the fact that we won and you lost.

[Anonymous No.8477681]

>>8477679
Nope.

[Anonymous No.8477684]

>>8477679
Sure they did. Those mean old Russians just came out and admitted it after you lost. There, there, it'll all be okay. The Russians under your bed can't hurt you anymore.

[Anonymous No.8477947]

>>8473632
>google lugenpresse
>Trump supporters use Nazi term to abuse journalists

[Anonymous No.8478023]

>>8477947
>german word = nazi term
typical lugenpresse bullshit

[Anonymous No.8479010]

>>8477680
>>8477681
>>8477684
http://www.wsj.com/articles/interfax-reports-russia-had-contact-with-trump-team-during-campaign-1478791392

They did admit it.

[Anonymous No.8479032]

>>8468320
I cherish the idea that a leader asks of his people how yo better their own interest, rather than having to systematically rape your asshole out, if you know what I mean?

[Anonymous No.8479044]

>>8468320
> an internet complaint box
as compared to
> youtube livestreams
> reddit AMAs.

[Anonymous No.8479099]

>we know coal power contributes to more than 13,000 premature deaths, 20,000 heart attacks, and 1.6 million lost workdays in the U.S. each year
>we know levels of water and air pollution are at unprecedented levels
>this is true regardless of whether global warming is real not
>do nothing about it
>create huge open cut mines in valuable agriculture land
>right next to the great barrier reef
>the coal and money will be going to poo in loos to burn in their massively outdated power plants
>this is fine because $$$$

The environment is literally the only thing stopping me from voting right wing here in Australia

[Anonymous No.8479121]

>>8479010
He also had contact with Mexico too.

[Anonymous No.8479124]

>>8468275
>republican house
>republican senate
>republican president
>republican cabinet
>republican supreme court
>republican country
>Now is your chance to write why climate change is a real issue
I kekd so fucking hard

[Anonymous No.8479129]

Can I get the '''red pill''' on Trump? I don't know much about politics at all. Is he good or bad for science?

[Anonymous No.8479135]

>>8479129
this about sums it up

[Anonymous No.8479267]

>>8479135
Obongo is anti-vax too, yet I don't see liberals complaining about that.

[Anonymous No.8479275]

unless you are an expert in the field (which you're not you're all undergrads/high schoolers) your opinion on climate change isn't worth trump's time (or mine for that matter)

[Anonymous No.8479279]

>>8479129
He will Make America Great Again

[Anonymous No.8479300]

>>8479267
>Obongo is anti-vax
Is that what Alex Jones told you?

[Anonymous No.8479314]

>>8479135
he's referring to barron, probably. but desu, they probably just don't hang out with him enough because they're too busy

[Anonymous No.8479476]

>>8473288

[Anonymous No.8479827]

>>8473310
only so we can refill it with toxic sludge.

[Anonymous No.8479828]

>use "green technology" now
>wait 20 years and use far better "green technology" later

easy choice

[Anonymous No.8479856]

>>8468879
>turn blue with mass migration
opinion discarded. into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.8480615]

>>8479827
> "Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it."
Because having the fox guard the hen house is a great idea if it's the best fox out there.

[Anonymous No.8480649]

>>8470778
>I know this isn't really a /sci/ sort of question but does his "le Chinese scam" excuse make any economic sense?

No.

>>8473250
>>8473255

http://chartsbin.com/view/2407

[Anonymous No.8481378]

>>8470778
No. Factory laborers in rich countries will never be able to compete with those in poor countries because they will demand higher wages and better working conditions. Furthermore, the Chinese don't need to start any conspiracies to make American manufacturing less productive, as American manufacturing output is at an all-time high, but requires less employees. There is no way he will bring back the jerbs.

Besides, even if Trump started a trade war with China and brought back some manufacturing jerbs, it is not as if the US would be able to sell their products anywhere but the US, as the prices would be too high compared to what China would be offering the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.8481388]

>>8479828
>don't use "green technology" now
>it's too late to do anything in 20 years
Even easier

[Anonymous No.8482055]

>>8473509
>Making a PR website for the average Trump supporter to write '5 hour work day an 2 weeks of at xmas!!!!!!!!!!!!' equates to listening to advice from experts

Okay, buddy - whatever you say. You clever guy, you.

[Anonymous No.8482134]

>>8479267
Proof?

[Anonymous No.8482230]

>>8468351
Soros shills aren't a matter of Left vs. Right, they're a matter of paid basement boy vs. NEET