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There is absolutely no point to math proofs

>> No.8419150

>>8419149

Prove it mathematically.

>> No.8419157

How do you figure? Proving that a rule is true in every case is pretty valuable, it allows you just use it without worrying whether it will apply to the specific problem at hand as long as it's within the parameters of the proof.

>> No.8419160

If there is no mathematical proof, it doesn't exist.

>> No.8419164

Lol did you fail an exam because some delta epsilon shit? Fucking brainlets

>> No.8419166

>>8419149
The Curry-Howard isomorphism reveals the significance of proofs for even the most die hard of pragmatists.

>> No.8419205

>>8419149

Beauty.

Mathematics is not only a science, it is also an art.

Mathematics is not only a science, it is also an art. In addition, math is the foundation of all sciences (except biology but that's another subject) so we must be sure of what we do.

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>>8419205

>> No.8419429

>>8419149
where there is sureness there is no math, therefore math is a tool to prove some past observation

>> No.8419459

>>8419205
Math is considered a science only within the mental framework of the cult of /sci/entism, an axiom-based civil religion.

>> No.8419462

>>8419160
>if a tree falls in the forest and I don't hear it, it never happened

kys

>> No.8419468

>>8419205
>Mathematics is not only a science

Math is beautiful, and it is art. But it is definitely not a science.

>> No.8419470

>>8419149
Mathematics is the language with which we express our understanding of nature. Proofs ensure that this understanding is self-consistent.

>> No.8419472

>>8419462
the observer is the observed

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>>8419205

> math is the foundation of all sciences (except biology but that's another subject)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_and_theoretical_biology

>>8419149

yes there is, to prove whether a mathematical claim is bullshit or not

im sorry if you failed your logic/proof class, no need to get mad about it though

>> No.8419897

>>8419205
>math is the foundation of

You cannot have Mathematics without Symbol.

>> No.8419905

>>8419897
>You cannot have Mathematics without Symbol.
uh yeah you can.

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>>8419482
mathematics can be used to model biology, sure, but it can also be used to model the fluid dynamics of underwater basket weaving. so what?

mathematical biology is practically worthless, whereas physics literally IS applied mathematics, it isn't just a model.

t. theoretical physicist making 300k (yearly salary)

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>>8419920
>making 300k
>still on 4plebs

Yeah sure.

>> No.8419948

>>8419149
Many people think that proof is meant to establish truth. But really, it's more about consistency. If you prove something from the ZFC axioms then you know it's consistent with everything we know already, assuming there isn't something disastrously wrong (i.e. ZFC is inconsistent). This is important because our intuitions about what is and is not consistent are often wrong.

>> No.8419951

>>8419948
And the way you can see this is that, if something is independent of the axioms (whether the "fundamental" ones like ZFC or not), it is often then added as an additional axiom. And the completeness theorems tell us that every consistent set of axioms refer to something "real." If they don't you're just mindlessly moving symbols around.

>> No.8419964

>>8419905

How?

>> No.8419980

>>8419149
found the retard who can't into proof

>> No.8420003

>>8419462
You've missed the point entirely.

>> No.8420153

>>8419205
>beauty
what are you fucking gay?

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>>8419149
You're right anon. What's the point of math when we have wolfram alpha?

>> No.8420158

>>8419920
All I'm seeing is 'cuck, cuck, cuck, cuck'.

>> No.8420210

>>8419205
The difference between art and science is that for the case of art, all creations are unique. This means that if da Vinci had died at an early age and never painted any of his works we wouldn't be able to ever see the art pieces we see today that are made by da Vinci.

When it comes to science, if Einstein had died at an early age, there would be another person to eventually figure out relativity. If Nikola Tesla had never been born there would still be someone who worked on electronics to figure things out.

All the same goes for music, which is also unique and dependant on the person. Had Mozart died at an early age, we would've missed some great musical experiences, which would've never been played otherwise.

Thus I can kind of disagree with your point on math being an art.