Psychiatry, Psychology, and/or other Mental Health Care -related Fields

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Psychiatry, Psychology, and/or other Mental Health Care -related Fields TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 14 23:28:50 2016 No.8413161 [Reply] [Original]

I was curious if I could please learn about /sci/'s opinions regarding: psychiatry, psychology, and/or other mental health care -related fields? I ask, because; I was diagnosed by a psychiatrist with “Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder” back in July of 2013. A psychologist diagnosed me with the following three disorders: “Major Depressive Disorder” — “Generalized Anxiety Disorder” and “Social Anxiety Disorder” back in July of 2016 (after administering the “Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory - 2” alongside several other diagnostic classification, rating scales, checklists, inventories, and surveys.) However, I can't help but notice that most people don't consider these to be real “illnesses”. In fact, even I'm not sure that I believe these to be real illnesses.

Nobody in my family (or anybody else around me, for that matter) seems to care about me having been diagnosed with these disorders. A cousin of mine simply scoffed at the idea of me being diagnosed with ADHD, making a dismissive hand gesture at me and proclaiming, “everybody has ADHD!” My mother tells me, “oh, you have depression? Then why don't you simply stop being depressed? Will yourself out of your depression!” Other people have told me that social anxiety isn't a “real problem”.

I've noticed that even among all of my doctors there's disagreements about what is or isn't “science”. What is or isn't “pseudoscience”. I'll have my psychiatrist telling me, “for testing for personality disorders there's the 'MMPI-2' which isn't very scientific.” I'll have my psychologist telling me, “the psychiatrists of today are like the alchemists of the Middle Ages. The alchemists believed that they could create gold from lead, which we now know is impossible. Psychiatrists believe in 'chemical imbalances'. There is no such thing as 'chemical imbalances'.”

So what do you guys think?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:30:52 2016 No.8413163 >>8413161 this board is for science and mathematics m8

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:38:06 2016 No.8413175 >>8413161 You have autism. Not even kidding.

Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:50:19 2016 No.8413194
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>>8413163

Very well.

Let's get a bit more scientific, shall we?

Let's take Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

There's this one study that apparently suggests that they have provided the first "empirical evidence" for Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23777939

To quote it:

>Background:

>Despite the relevance of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) in clinical settings, there is currently no empirical data available regarding the neurobiological correlates of NPD. In the present study, we performed a voxel-based morphometric analysis to provide initial insight into local abnormalities of gray matter (GM) volume.

>Methods

>Structural brain images were obtained from patients with NPD (n = 17) and a sample of healthy controls (n = 17) matched regarding age, gender, handedness, and intelligence. Groups were compared with regard to global brain tissue volumes and local abnormalities of GM volume. Regions-of-interest analyses were calculated for the anterior insula.

>Results

>Relative to the control group, NPD patients had smaller GM volume in the left anterior insula. Independent of group, GM volume in the left anterior insula was positively related to self-reported emotional empathy. Complementary whole-brain analyses yielded smaller GM volume in fronto-paralimbic brain regions comprising the rostral and median cingulate cortex as well as dorsolateral and medial parts of the prefrontal cortex.

>Conclusion

>Here we provide the first empirical evidence for structural abnormalities in fronto-paralimbic brain regions of patients with NPD. The results are discussed in the context of NPD patients' restricted ability for emotional empathy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 14 23:52:19 2016 No.8413199 File: 512 KB, 1700x2200, Page 1363 from the Journal of Psychiatric Research 47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413163 The following seven pages that I will be posting are the full text of this study.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 14 23:54:27 2016 No.8413202
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

Here's page 1364 from the Journal of Psychiatric Research 47.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 14 23:55:31 2016 No.8413204
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

Page 1365 out of the Journal of Psychiatric Research 47.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 14 23:58:17 2016 No.8413208 File: 640 KB, 1700x2200, Page 1366 from the Journal of Psychiatric Research 47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413163 Page 1366.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 14 23:59:22 2016 No.8413209 File: 735 KB, 1700x2338, Page 1367 from the Journal of Psychiatric Research 47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413163 Posting the fifth page of this study.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:00:47 2016 No.8413211 File: 675 KB, 2481x3507, Page 1368 from the Journal of Psychiatric Research 47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413163 >this board is for science and mathematics m8 Sixth page.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:02:58 2016 No.8413215 File: 228 KB, 2481x3507, Page 1369 from the Journal of Psychiatric Research 47.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413163 >this board is for science and mathematics m8 And the last page of this study.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:06:22 2016 No.8413222
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

I have here with me four copies, each out of the four pages for "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" straight out of the "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition" (the "DSM-5", which I scanned using one of the scanners at the Los Angeles Central Library a few months back.)

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:08:42 2016 No.8413228
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

Here's page 670 from the section for "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" out of the DSM-5.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:09:47 2016 No.8413229
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

Here's page 671 from the DSM-5.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:11:49 2016 No.8413230 File: 876 KB, 2481x3507, Page 672 from the Diagnostic of Statistical and Manual of Mental Disorders Fifth Edition.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413163 >this board is for science and mathematics m8 Page 672.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:20:46 2016 No.8413246
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

This particular copy here is of page 671.

I highlighted the following sentence:

>Sustained feelings of shame or humiliation and the attendant self-criticism may be associated with social withdrawal, depressed mood, and persistent depressive disorder (dysthymia) or major depressive disorder.

"Major depressive disorder" is circled.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:28:32 2016 No.8413260 File: 81 KB, 389x293, NPDMRI1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413208 I have those two images on that page in somewhat higher resolution.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:40:41 2016 No.8413283 File: 33 KB, 382x146, NPDMRI2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8413208 Here's the second image.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 00:59:19 2016 No.8413303
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

Here's the first page of my psychological evaluation report.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 01:00:55 2016 No.8413307
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>>8413163

>this board is for science and mathematics m8

And here's the second and last page of my psychological evaluation report.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 01:13:11 2016 No.8413322
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>>8413208

I have here with me a disc containing several images of the Magnetic Resonance Imaging scan (which was done from various angles) on my brain back in the 17th of September of 2013. This is the M.R.I. scan that I paid $700 for and the neurologist that I had met with back in mid-2013 (after I had already met with my first psychiatrist) suggested that I get. According to the neurologist, he didn't find anything unusual on this MRI scan aside from something called an "arachnoid cyst" which is apparently very common, normal, and goes away on its own. Over these past several weeks, I've been carefully analyzing these images looking for any gray matter abnormalities in the left anterior insula that are associated with "Narcissistic Personality Disorder". This particular image here is only one image out of several.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 01:54:59 2016 No.8413384
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>>8413175

>You have autism. Not even kidding.

It's possible.

It would seem that a "partial lack of empathy" and/or a "complete lack of empathy" is considered a sign and/or symptom of: "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" — "Antisocial Personality Disorder" and "Autism Spectrum Disorder".

According to the neuroscientist James Fallon:

>“There are two kinds of empathy,” says James Fallon, a neuroscientist at the University of California and author of The Psychopath Inside: A Neuroscientist’s Personal Journey into the Dark Side of the Brain. “Cognitive empathy is the ability to know what other people are feeling, and emotional empathy is the kind where you feel what they’re feeling.” Autistic people can be very empathetic — they feel other people’s pain — but are less able to recognise the cues we read easily, the smiles and frowns that tell us what someone is thinking. Psychopaths are often the opposite: they know what you’re feeling, but don’t feel it themselves. “This all gives certain psychopaths a great advantage, because they can understand what you’re thinking, it’s just that they don’t care, so they can use you against yourself.” (Chillingly, psychopaths are particularly adept at detecting vulnerability. A 2008 study that asked participants to remember virtual characters found that those who scored highly for psychopathy had a near perfect recognition for sad, unsuccessful females, but impaired memory for other characters.)

That's from this article here:

http://news.nationalpost.com/health/can-you-spot-a-psycho-criminal-psychologists-can-test-for-psychopathy-but-the-results-can-hit-uncomfortably-close-to-home

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 02:04:40 2016 No.8413391

>>8413163

Anyway, what I was trying to get at with my post about my MRI scans here:

>>8413322

...was that maybe I could find those "gray matter abnormalities" in the "left anterior insula" of my brain, which would, once and for all, be the "empirical evidence" that confirms that I do, in fact, have "Narcissistic Personality Disorder", as suggested by the study here:

>>8413194
>>8413199
>>8413202
>>8413204
>>8413208
>>8413209
>>8413211
>>8413215
>>8413260
>>8413283

And, if so, then that would mean that the so-called "Major Depressive Disorder" that I've been diagnosed with as stated in my psychological evaluation report here:

>>8413303
>>8413307

...would have been caused by Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as stated on the DSM-5 here:

>>8413246

So, then. This would, once and for all, prove that I really was "weak" (as so many people have told me) all along, and that that is why I'm depressed.

And, if true, this makes me wonder how many people diagnosed with "Major Depressive Disorder" could be considered "weak"?

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 04:00:02 2016 No.8413479

Damn you write a lot OP.
Have you ever taken buspar? I took it for a few days and my whole body started hurting about 15 minutes later. I googled it and other people have had the same effect. This shit was probably toxic to my body. After that i got worries what other shit they put in stuff like antipsychotics and i realized medication isnt worth it. Except benzos of course.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 13:04:55 2016 No.8414094

>>8413479

No I haven't taken buspar.

I've been prescribed and taken the following medications in the past: clonazepam (anti-anxiety medication, possibly better known under the brand name "Klonopin"), escitalopram (antidepressant medication, possibly better known under the brand name "Lexapro"), primidone (anticonvulsant medication, for the treatment of "essential tremors"), propranolol (beta-blocker, also for the treatment of essential tremors), trazodone (antidepressant medication, took it for a few months for the treatment of insomnia), and amphetamine (psychostimulant medication, known under the brand name "Adderall".)

On an appointment with one of my nurse practitioners (let's call him: "Dr. Bal") on the 11th of July of 2016, he tried to prescribe me Abilify (an antipsychotic.)

Dr. Bal told me, "okay, I'm noticing that you are displaying some of the symptoms of schizophrenia. Some of the side-effects of Adderall actually do mimic some of the symptoms of schizophrenia. I will be lowering the dosage of Adderall from your current 60 mg a day down to 40 mg a day. I will also be prescribing you Abilify, which is an antipsychotic. The Abilify could help you calm down."

He asked me questions like, "do you believe to be receiving messages from people on your computer?"

I was a bit confused by this question, and I responded with something like, "well, uh, yeah... since I play a lot of video games over the internet, I do communicate with people through these games with text messages and whatnot."

I managed to convince him to not prescribe me Abilify and to keep prescribing me Adderall for 60 mg daily. This nurse practitioner later put down on my MedRec that I believed my computer to have been "hacked" and that "there didn't seem to be any reasoning behind his logic." He also put symptoms of schizophrenia on my MedRec like: "illogical thinking" — "magical thinking" — "auditory hallucinations" — "flat affect" — "odd, peculiar, guarded".

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 13:06:12 2016 No.8414097 I'm schizo and might have epilepsy. what do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 13:15:40 2016 No.8414113 >>8414097 Take molly and LSD and go to a rave

Anonymous Sat Oct 15 13:34:37 2016 No.8414161

>>8413161

OP you ramble a lot.
You are the prime example of a person that will never get cured as you just love rambling about your problems.
You want your problems.
And they wont go away until you just shut the fuck up and do something about it.
Also your mother is right.
You are exercising behaviors which are interpreted as depression.
Stop doing them and replace them with what non depressed people do.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 14:35:15 2016 No.8414257

>>8414161

And what is it, exactly, that you expect me to do? Get a job? I couldn't do a simple mall cop job for one month back in 2011. Go back to school? I tried getting the “adult high school diploma” by taking some adult school classes last year, and I couldn't even do that.

My whole life I've had people (especially within my family) telling me that I'm: “crazy” — that “there's something seriously wrong” with me — that I “need to seek professional help.”

For a long time I was really starting to wonder if I suffered from some sort of disorder, such as: a mental disorder that negatively effected my senses and/or perception of reality (such as: schizophrenia), or a personality disorder that negatively effected the way that I interacted with people (such as: narcissistic personality disorder), or a neurodevelopmental disorder that negatively effected my attention span (such as: attention deficit disorder), or a developmental disorder that negatively effected the way that my mind detected those subtle cues of people's body's language (such as: Asperger's syndrome), or a mood disorder that negatively effected my mood (such as: bipolar disorder.)

I kept looking for anything that could explain why I continued to fail at just about every facet of life: socially, economically, academically, etc. But I long feared seeking professional help from mental health care workers. I feared being misdiagnosed and/or being prescribed drugs that could only make me worse than I already am. I eventually gave in on the 1st of July of 2013 when I went to see my first psychiatrist for the first time. But now I suddenly have people telling me that the disorders that I've been diagnosed with aren't “real problems” and that I should “get over” them.

So what is it that you expect me to do? What is it that you think I've been trying to do all of these years?

And besides, it's not like I'm on here 24/7. I actually do go outside to try doing things every day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 14:52:15 2016 No.8414285 >>8414257 the disorders you have been diagnosed with are very real. you cant just "get over" depression or somehow stop having attention span problems

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 15:05:59 2016 No.8414303 >>8414285 also judging from your evaluation that you posted it seems like the majority of your disorders stem from your terrible childhood...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 15:08:08 2016 No.8414305 >>8414303 is there anywhere we can talk OP that isn't here? i'd be really interested in helping you out

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 15:15:18 2016 No.8414314 >>8413163 >>8413175 >>8413479 >>8414161 ignore these posters

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 15:38:13 2016 No.8414334 OP if your reading this i would really like to talk to you, help you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 15:55:30 2016 No.8414350 >>8414334 please op you better have not abandoned this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 16:26:10 2016 No.8414415 OP you have someone here who wants to help you, probably something you havent experienced that much. I'd really like to talk to you outside of this toxic site.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 16:27:38 2016 No.8414419 >>8414415 You've come here looking for help so take a chance! Grab this opportunity!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 16:28:38 2016 No.8414420 >>8414419 How can you exactly help?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 16:30:16 2016 No.8414424 >>8414420 Give him someone to talk to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 16:30:45 2016 No.8414425 >>8414419 >attempting to diagnose someone over the internet, on 4chan of all fucking places I'm sure your heart is in the right place but come on son.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 15 16:32:07 2016 No.8414426 >>8414425 Not diagnose, based on OP's posts he has a lot of issues I just want to be someone he can talk to.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sat Oct 15 22:08:07 2016 No.8415094

>>8414097

>I'm schizo and might have epilepsy.

>what do?

I'm not sure what I can tell you. It's possible that you were misdiagnosed with schizophrenia. Psychosis after an epileptic seizure is relatively common, occurring in 6–10% of people. Often people do not remember what happened during this time. Take a look at the following links for more info:

https://books.google.com/books?id=4W7UI-FPZmoC&pg=PA443#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=yJQQzPTcbYIC&pg=PA445#v=onepage&q&f=false

I know that my father has epilepsy and is apparently known to go on violent rampages when having epileptic seizures (I've never seen his rampages, but have been told about them by his side of the family.) I've also been told that he might have schizophrenia. So I dunno.

TheOPwithMDD !Bpp1hi9e.U Sun Oct 16 01:36:22 2016 No.8415368

>>8413175

>You have autism. Not even kidding.

I also meant to say with this post here:

>>8413384

That autism could explain my perceived "lack of empathy", and my incredible difficulties in both developing and maintaining friendships throughout childhood, adolescence, and now into my adulthood.

Or maybe I really am just a narcissist, sociopath, and/or psychopath.

Or maybe autism, narcissism, sociopathy, and psychopathy are all the same thing.

Or maybe this is all pseudoscience and none of those things are real.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sun Oct 16 01:37:26 2016 No.8415371 >>8415368 Whoops. Wrong tripcode.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 16 02:29:03 2016 No.8415424 >>8413175 I have autism. Not even kidding.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sun Oct 16 11:15:38 2016 No.8416041

>>8415424

>I have autism. Not even kidding.

When were you diagnosed with autism? During the childhood? How old were you? How long ago was that? Were you diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome or high functioning autism, or what? Since Asperger's syndrome is no longer considered a "real diagnosis", and was instead thrown in with "autism spectrum disorder", if you were diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, does that mean that you are now officially considered to have "autism spectrum disorder"? Are you on disability?

Did you ever see a geneticist to take a look at your DNA for chromosomal abnormalities indicative of autism?

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 12:01:02 2016 No.8416093

>>8416041
I was diagnosed in the 2000's when I was 14. I was diagnosed just with high-functioning autism, as if there is any difference. I'm not on disability because my family has money and I'm not retarded, even though I'm lazy as hell xd.
Never seen a geneticist but I'm absolutely sure I have autism. I have every single symptom including sensory issues and self injurious behavior. I'm barely high-functioning 2bh. I am the same level of functioning as Temple Grandin.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sun Oct 16 12:32:59 2016 No.8416129

>>8416093

>I was diagnosed in the 2000's when I was 14. I was diagnosed just with high-functioning autism, as if there is any difference. I'm not on disability because my family has money and I'm not retarded, even though I'm lazy as hell xd.

>Never seen a geneticist but I'm absolutely sure I have autism. I have every single symptom including sensory issues and self injurious behavior. I'm barely high-functioning 2bh. I am the same level of functioning as Temple Grandin.

What sort of self-injurious behavior have you displayed? Like banging your head against a pillow, or more serious stuff like cutting?

And who was it that diagnosed you with autism? Psychiatrist? Psychologist? Neurologist? Therapist?

How did you end up getting diagnosed in the first place? Did your family and/or school have you go see a specialist?

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 12:48:54 2016 No.8416147

>>8416129
Self injurious behavior like head banging, hand biting, choking, scratching, etc.
I got diagnosed with autism the same time I got diagnosed with Bipolar 1, as I was having psychosis which was the reason for my injurious behavior. I got diagnosed by a doctor mental facility by some doctor so maybe psychiatry? I don't know.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sun Oct 16 15:58:02 2016 No.8416459

>>8416147

>Self injurious behavior like head banging, hand biting, choking, scratching, etc.

>I got diagnosed with autism the same time I got diagnosed with Bipolar 1, as I was having psychosis which was the reason for my injurious behavior. I got diagnosed by a doctor mental facility by some doctor so maybe psychiatry? I don't know.

So you've been officially diagnosed with both bipolar 1 disorder and autism spectrum disorder?

Did you receive both diagnosis from the same doctor, or from two different doctors?

Did they drop the bipolar 1 disorder once they found out that you were autistic?

And what was psychosis like? Did it develop gradually over the course of years, months, weeks, days, hours...? Or did all happen very quickly so you didn't notice anything unusual happening to you? How long did the psychotic episode last? Do you remember what you were thinking, and what you were doing during that time? Were you hallucinating and experiencing delusions? Were the delusions bizarre, non-bizarre, or both? What sort of hallucinations did you experience? Were they auditory, visual, tactile, olfactory, and/or gustatory?

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 16:23:59 2016 No.8416502

>>8416459
>So you've been officially diagnosed with both bipolar 1 disorder and autism spectrum disorder?
Yes
>Did you receive both diagnosis from the same doctor, or from two different doctors?
Sort of. I've seen a different doctor and he said the same.
>Did they drop the bipolar 1 disorder once they found out that you were autistic?
No
>And what was psychosis like? Did it develop gradually over the course of years, months, weeks, days, hours...? Or did all happen very quickly so you didn't notice anything unusual happening to you? How long did the psychotic episode last? Do you remember what you were thinking, and what you were doing during that time? Were you hallucinating and experiencing delusions? Were the delusions bizarre, non-bizarre, or both? What sort of hallucinations did you experience? Were they auditory, visual, tactile, olfactory, and/or gustatory?
It's still going on today. It developed after a fuck load of stress in my life and genetic factors, and I am still experiencing a lot of stress so it's not going away anytime soon. I noticed a lack of motivation on my part. Don't know if that was from being lazy or depressed, haven't always been that way. I remember watching a movie (The Knowing) and then thinking the world was going to end after viewing. I walked a circle around my house for 2 hours until I calmed down. Don't know if I was delusional or misunderstood what happened. I don't know how long these psychotic episodes last but they're usually company of a mixed state of depression and mania, which feels fucking weird. I would have these weird repetitive and strange thoughts that didn't make sense and didn't realize after they were over. I only starting hallucinating recently, it's been getting worse ever since and I might be developing schizophrenia. I was ruled out schizoaffective disorder but it might still be a possibility. cont.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 16:38:59 2016 No.8416532

>>8416459
>>8416502
The delusions I were experiencing were usually gradiose or paranoid. Like I was do all sorts of crazy shit and become successful or thinking people are out to get me or reading me mind. There were some rare but strange bizzare delusions like if I walk to fast and short, people will think I'm dumb or putting my glasses in the freezer to give me infrared vision so I could find hidden treasures underground and some other crazy shit. I have had auditory, visual, and tactile hallucinations with rarely some olfactory/gustatory. I've had voices go on full conversations with themselves. Sometimes I can't tell if they are talking to me or not. I sometimes hear babies crying, dogs barking, and devilish noises. I have seen figures in the dark staring at me, and people next to me in the mirror. I have felt people grab me who are not there, and bugs crawling on my skin. Some smells like metal and tastes like strong citric acid sometimes too.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sun Oct 16 23:20:15 2016 No.8417325

>>8416502
>>8416532

Trippy. A lot of this stuff reminds me a lot like the sort of stuff that I would experience between the ages of 10 and 13. It didn't seem to be normal as many of my classmates, teachers, and family members would tell me that I was "crazy" and "weird". Apparently most people who develop schizophrenia begin to develop it at the age of 19, but apparently there's also such a thing as "childhood schizophrenia", which is kind of a scary thought.

How old were you when you were experiencing all of those delusions and hallucinations that you described? Did you notice those symptoms during childhood? Can you remember that far back in regards to your symptoms? Or did you only first begin to notice them during adolescence? Do you still experience these sorts of delusions and hallucinations even now into your adulthood? Do you notice when you're about to experience a psychotic episode so that you can "abort" it, without needing to take antipsychotics?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 16 23:31:21 2016 No.8417345 >>8415368 If you were a psychopath you could manipulate people and wouldn't be here and you would be on Wall Street.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Sun Oct 16 23:37:34 2016 No.8417358

>>8417345

>If you were a psychopath you could manipulate people and wouldn't be here and you would be on Wall Street.

I've read a lot of contradicting information regarding psychopaths.

I've read that psychopaths, sociopaths, antisocial, and dissocial people are essentially all the same thing.

I've also read that sociopaths are mostly all really stupid, and spend most of the time doing stupid illegal things like carving obscenities on the walls of public places.

I've likewise read the exact opposite of sociopaths, that they tend to have incredibly high IQ...

So, yeah, I dunno.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 16 23:41:31 2016 No.8417365 >>8413161 They try to be as scientifically on point as possible but the ratio of Meme Lords who will let their biases rule them or shill for big pharma to legit scientists is pretty fucking lopsided.

Anonymous Sun Oct 16 23:56:38 2016 No.8417396

>>8417325
>How old were you when you were experiencing all of those delusions and hallucinations that you described?
At the same time I was diagnosed with Bipolar 1. It wasn't as severe as it was now. I would have non-bizzare delusions like my parents didn't love me and had some auditory hallucinations like hearing my name being called.
>Did you notice those symptoms during childhood?
I would have diassociative amnesia as a child. I would be in one place and then next thing you know I would be somewhere else. I wouldn't remember anything that happened in between. I would also have migraines that would leave me blind in one eye and give me terrible headaches. Don't know if those are symptoms but I think they're related.
>Can you remember that far back in regards to your symptoms?
I think constantly about the past. I have a strong sense of nostalgia to anything and want everything to be the same as it used to be, probably due to my autism and other psychological factors.
>Do you notice when you're about to experience a psychotic episode so that you can "abort" it, without needing to take antipsychotics?
No, can't control it. Just have to let it pass and take some anxiety medication with my regularly prescribed anti-psychotics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 00:16:45 2016 No.8417438 >>8413194 >>8413199 >>8413202 >>8413204 >>8413208 >>8413209 >>8413211 >>8413215 >>8413260 >>8413283 Thank you

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 00:20:13 2016 No.8417446 >>8413391 >And, if true, this makes me wonder how many people diagnosed with "Major Depressive Disorder" could be considered "weak"? Exactly, induce those abnormalities in a healthy mans brain and he'd commit suicide.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 00:29:08 2016 No.8417463 >>8417358 >psychopaths, sociopaths Physicians don't >are essentially all the same thing. It's a spectrum. >that they tend to have incredibly high IQ... source? PS:"antisocials" have very low anxiety.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 12:02:35 2016 No.8418199 OP is a FAg Just look at his tripcode.

Anonymous Mon Oct 17 12:07:38 2016 No.8418203

>>8413161
>fMRI

Reminder that the past 25 years' worth of fMRI-based research results belong in the trash.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2016/06/27/1602413113.full

>Functional MRI (fMRI) is 25 years old, yet surprisingly its most common statistical methods have not been validated using real data

>In theory, we should find 5% false positives (for a significance threshold of 5%), but instead we found that the most common software packages for fMRI analysis (SPM, FSL, AFNI) can result in false-positive rates of up to 70%

>a 15-year-old bug was found in 3dClustSim while testing the three software packages (the bug was fixed by the AFNI group as of May 2015, during preparation of this manuscript)

>It is not feasible to redo 40,000 fMRI studies, and lamentable archiving and data-sharing practices mean most could not be reanalyzed either

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 12:12:07 2016 No.8418211 File: 227 KB, 1177x2100, 3dClustSim.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8418203 Actual 3dClustSim code and comments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 17:31:07 2016 No.8418736 >>8418203 Shit. That fucking sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 17 18:08:36 2016 No.8418804 File: 7 KB, 305x165, turjk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8418203 no it doesnt.... youve misinterpreted something and decided to go on a mad one.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 01:51:05 2016 No.8419585

>>8418203

>Reminder that the past 25 years' worth of fMRI-based research results belong in the trash.

>a 15-year-old bug was found in 3dClustSim while testing the three software packages (the bug was fixed by the AFNI group as of May 2015, during preparation of this manuscript)

>25 years'

>15-year-old bug

wot.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Tue Oct 18 02:10:37 2016 No.8419630

Well, now.

I just got back from seeing my psychiatrist.

Turns out that I'm deeply delusional, and I apparently imagined entire portions of my life.

He's now going to cut me off Adderall permanently, and probably put me on Abilify for good.

I guess this is it, then!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 02:39:24 2016 No.8419681 The problem with the social sciences is reproducibility; as a function of small sample size. Their satisfaction with their diagnosis reflects the paucity of data not the excellence of their theories.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 02:54:31 2016 No.8419704 >>8419585 Read the article. The bug is a small part of the larger issue, the major one is the false-positive rate issue based on faulty theoretical assumptions.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 03:16:09 2016 No.8419733

>>8419704
Different poster here:
I did read it and you're right. But those problems are minor compared to the problem of small sample sizes. No amount of good or bad statistical assumptions is going to affect a sample size 12.
See this guy's post >>8419681

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 03:35:04 2016 No.8419760 >>8416532 I have this happen to me and I consider myself normal, like seriously, I've known it happen to a lot of other people too

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:07:22 2016 No.8419981

>>8419585

dude, it only affects like 1 in 10 of imaging studies because the study is only covering a certain method in fmri and the false positive rate means 70% chance of more than 1 false positive. each scan has many many voxels on it, 1 false positive or even a few doesnt make a massive difference or invalidate the study usually especially if you have real positives (which most do) which take up a much much larger proportion of the voxel space.

yes it is a big methodological problem in science because it means that the statistical packaging is somewhat unreliable but it actually doesnt make a huge difference to fmri studies especially as the more fmri studies showing a specific BOLD-behaviour relationship are done, the more that false-positive noise becomes redundant when we are trying to refer those relationships.

Even though there is noise, our knowledge of the BOLD-relationships is generally reliable especially as they are cross-validated by other studies such as EEG or invasive animal methods.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:09:48 2016 No.8419984
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>>8419981

>it actually doesnt make a huge difference

it does make a difference to fmri studies, i just mean it doesnt make a massive difference to the knowledge we have gained in the last 25 years.

>refer
infer

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 07:40:50 2016 No.8420020

>>8419733

youre right about sample size. when i askedd my supervisor how he determines his sample size, it was kind of "common sense" but at the same time i was abit horrified that he doesnt do it in a more systematic way which i imagine would be the norm. though i know these days, sample sizes in neuroscience are probably highly dependent on funding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 08:40:13 2016 No.8420121 >>8419760 So you consider psychosis normal? Good for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 14:41:55 2016 No.8420562 >>8416502 >>8416532 A lot of this sounds like OCD-like habits combined with manic and/or hypomanic episodes, possibly induced by a number of factors (such as excessive caffeine consumption, sleep deprivation, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 15:38:35 2016 No.8420645 >>8420562 OCD can be a symptom of autism and I am diagnosed Bipolar.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:13:03 2016 No.8421006

>>8413161
ADHD is certainly real, I've had big issues with it in my childhood, and taking medication changed my behaviour very noticeable. That said, ADHD get's diagnosed a LOT, and i wouldn't be surprised if some of these are false diagnosises. I've heard there's also a black market for ADHD medication, so i'd expect some people to pretend to have ADHD. If you're able to, i'd recommend switching doctors, your current doctor seems rather unreliable considering what you've said. What you said in >>8419630, assuming you weren't ironic, should be easily refuted/verified by relatives etc.
Good Doctors are rare sadly, and it's unlikely that you will get an even remotely accurate diagnosis otherwise.
>"oh you have depression? Then why don't you simply stop being depressed?"
bullshit, it's a serious issue. I wonder what these kinds of people think of things like burnout or death from overwork.

If you want to talk more personally, we could find some anonymous chat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:17:23 2016 No.8421018 >>8421006 Let me join too. I am the autism anon.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:27:34 2016 No.8421048

>>8421006
Sup. I have depression and ADHD--am actually on a break to recover for a semester.

Mostly I have recurring thoughts about how I'd go about offing myself. Or how life generally couldn't be fixed anyways, so might as well just do it.Too much stuff to have to go back to, so nope.

Times like those, I've been taught to take Xanor. Am more rational within a few hours but still tired. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I'll try to be clear and direct.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:28:42 2016 No.8421054 >>8421048 Oh, different anon, if that wasn't obvious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:37:05 2016 No.8421073 >>8421054 No need to get upset. Just wanted to discuss.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:39:57 2016 No.8421081 >>8421073 That last post was an erratum. Not angry at all, bro.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:41:55 2016 No.8421086

Hey op. Just want to mention this out of good will. I more than in the same situation as you, plus a big ass panic disorder. Though I haven't been to any psychiatrist in 8 years because of major distrust issues, Im more than positive that it's accurate.
Anyhow, the one true thing I've discovered along my way is thinking cycles. Sounds cliche I know, but let me give you an example.

If i go through the day thinking "man my life is rather shit, this aint event worth it", I will more than likely feel pretty bad that day.

On the opposite, when any of these thoughts occur, I instead force myself to think "okay my life pretty okay, could have been of way worse, there's still stuff I enjoy and later on my life might take a turn for the better who knows" I know for certain that my day will be more enjoyable than the first mentioned.

Ont: I think the idea of organic and cognitive disorders might be something. Probs not black and white though.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 18:55:19 2016 No.8421114

>>8421048
how does it manifest for you? It was a big problem in my childhood, but nowadays it's less of an issue(I'm twenty-something now), and I have stopped taking medication as a result. Also, you have a lot to live for m8.
>>8421086
Absolutely, i think it's even proven that happy people heal faster/get rid of sicknesses/diseases faster/are less susceptible to diseases than sad people, as ridiculous as that may sound.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 19:16:53 2016 No.8421154

>>8421114
>lot to live for
Thanks. Working to keep what's left, at least. Grades are pretty much done for.

How it manifests: some days, I can't be bothered to give any fucks, even if I recognize how important the shit I need to get done is. Mostly because I'm assuming I won't have to worry if I'm dead. And at that point, it just feels free. Other days it's just self-loathing all around. I'd get so angry and do stupid shit like ripping my nails off until they bleed (feels a bit nice). And then there are temporary shutdowns. I just want to implode and I seriously regret being alive--then I blame my mom for not having me aborted. And then I relive all the stuff that I did that makes me guilty or cringe. Fixation doesn't really help there.

Other days are hollow. And other days still are pretty good. So, mostly, it's routine college shit.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Tue Oct 18 19:35:06 2016 No.8421207

>>8421006

Hi there. OP here again. I exaggerated a bit. My psychiatrist told me that I was experiencing delusions and told me that he was going to have to force me to quit Adderall cold turkey. He then told me that he was going to gradually lower the dosage of Adderall until I stop taking it completely for three months. This month he lowered the dosage from 60 mg daily down to 40 mg daily. I doubt that my family would be of much help as I only live with my 70-year-old mother who can barely speak English, and she doesn't understand a thing about psychiatry, ADHD, Adderall... or anything, really.

As for my "delusions"... it's all a really long story that could take me 20+ posts to describe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 18 19:38:21 2016 No.8421212 >>8421207 what country do you live in?

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Tue Oct 18 19:55:04 2016 No.8421244 >>8421212 I live in the US.

Anonymous Tue Oct 18 21:01:19 2016 No.8421395

>>8421006
>ADHD is certainly real, I've had big issues with it in my childhood, and taking medication changed my behaviour very noticeable.

That's not a proof of ADHD being real, it's just a proof of the fact that drugs can have an effect on behaviour. And it's not as if the drugs prescribed for ADHD are specific to the disorder and address some biological malfunction. They are general-purpose drugs addressing perceived symptoms of the disorder.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Tue Oct 18 23:58:04 2016 No.8421726

>>8421395

>That's not a proof of ADHD being real, it's just a proof of the fact that drugs can have an effect on behaviour. And it's not as if the drugs prescribed for ADHD are specific to the disorder and address some biological malfunction. They are general-purpose drugs addressing perceived symptoms of the disorder.

That's funny because that's basically what my psychiatrist basically told me yesterday. He told me that there's no real "physical evidence" to suggest that any of the disorders that I've been diagnosed with (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder) are "real". That there's no tests that can be done (such as anything involving MRI, fMRI, CT, CAT, PET, etc.) that could reveal any "empirical evidence" that could confirm, once and for all, that I actually do have these disorders. These disorders that I was diagnosed with were simply things that I was diagnosed with based on what I've said.

All psychiatrists can really do is prescribe medications to patients based on what patients have said, and keep prescribing medications until they find something that works. If it works, great, if it doesn't work, then keep prescribing more medications. This is also what that nurse practitioner who tried to prescribe me Abilify (the antipsychotic) a few months back, because apparently I was showing "some of the symptoms of schizophrenia." And he admitted that there were no real tests to confirm whether or not a patient actually has schizophrenia, psychiatry can only do so much. Just keep prescribing medications to patients until they find something that works.

So, uh... I guess, in a way, Adderall is almost like a placebo...

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:20:55 2016 No.8421766

>>8414257
You need some real science. Buy an introductory physics book. Read as much as your attention span allows you to each day, then force yourself to read a little more.
When you start to understand that things in the universe have inherent order, patterns and laws, you may feel a sense of normality and control creeping back into your life.
Study goddamn physics. It takes a decent amount of attention, but there's no pressure on you like there is in school.
Stick to things that are real and concrete. Just because some fuckwad had "diagnosed" you with mental health disorders, doesn't mean you should start freaking out and wondering if there's shit wrong with you and wondering what's real and shit.
Just do some real science and ground yourself again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 00:43:37 2016 No.8421790 >>8420020 Want to be more horrified? Ask him how he decides his statistical significance cutoff then read this: http://www.nature.com/news/weak-statistical-standards-implicated-in-scientific-irreproducibility-1.14131

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Wed Oct 19 00:46:21 2016 No.8421796

>>8421766

>You need some real science. Buy an introductory physics book. Read as much as your attention span allows you to each day, then force yourself to read a little more.

And what, exactly, is "real science" to you? Would "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking be a sufficiently scientific introductory physics book?

Let me put it this way:

I can recall having an interest in science since I was about eight years old, back in 1996 when the film "Independence Day" was released. I can remember watching that film in my cousins' living room. Then when that scene where they showed the dead aliens' corpses being kept from decaying inside of tanks in Area 51 came up, I can remember my uncle saying, "that's true, you know. They actually do have dead alien corpses in Area 51." And I can remember that blowing my mind. Ever since then I can remember having a deep interest in science, science fiction, conspiracy theories, the paranormal, UFOs, aliens, Area 51, Roswell, ghosts, Atlantis, etc. Of course, at that age, I found it difficult to distinguish what is considered to be "true" (by the "general consensus") and what is generally considered to be "false".

It wasn't until I started middle school back in 1999, around the time I was eleven or so, that I gradually learned to simply keep any thoughts regarding conspiracy theories, the paranormal, UFOs, aliens, Area 51, Roswell, ghosts, Atlantis, etc. to myself, as most people seemed to think that that stuff was "fake" or "stupid" or "crazy". But I found it very difficult to just let that stuff go. I would always end up seeing something on TV, or having someone in my family (like my father or brother) telling me about this sort of stuff, and I'd get hooked on it again. But when I was in middle school (and all throughout high school), I'd always just try to keep that stuff to myself.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Wed Oct 19 00:59:38 2016 No.8421811

>>8421766

At least when I look at stuff like this:

>>8413194
>>8413199
>>8413202
>>8413204
>>8413208
>>8413208
>>8413209
>>8413211
>>8413215
>>8413222
>>8413228
>>8413229
>>8413230
>>8413246
>>8413260
>>8413283
>>8413303
>>8413307
>>8413322
>>8413384
>>8418203
>>8418203
>>8418211

And I'm looking at and analyzing my MRI scans, I can feel like I'm studying something that I can relate to. It almost feels like I'm doing "real science". I can almost feel like a real doctor, even though deep down inside I realize that I'm just a deluded 27-year-old, unemployed, high school-dropout, armchair pseudointellectual, pseudo-neuroscientist with way too much time in his hands.

And even now I'm not sure if any of this counts as "real science".

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 01:15:45 2016 No.8421840
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>>8413161
The part that is troublesome is once you have accounted for environment, diet, exercise, nutritional supplementation, sleep hygiene, and social relationships you find that in almost all cases of so-called mental illness the symptoms either disappear or seriously diminish to the point where a patient once again lives a normal life.

What is difficult is repairing all those areas of an individual's life, so instead we opt to refine our approach by fixing the problem through powerful chemicals. One method to address hundreds of people's personal problems.

If you are familiar with chinese water torture you will understand that insanity can be induced. If this is the case, then it only naturally follows that many aspects of an individuals life create havoc which when internalized too long makes somebody nuts.

The nature of society today is fast paced chaos with tight deadlines, harsh punishments, and compassion that comes through the medium of robots.

Why do people smoke weed and drink alcohol? Without those two things it is quite likely that we would either be in an anal enlightened society, still barbarians, or just straight up dead.

OP, I would argue that while you may exhibit symptoms of anxiety and depression that you are not infected with some kind of illness.

Just as what causes these mental problems to crop up varies greatly, so too does the cure come from multiple avenues.

Some people undergo Jungian psychoanalysis and become well. Other people do a fruit juice and vegetable cleanse and end up fine. Others find it is a spouse, friend, or family member causing them grief and that once they've removed that individual things get better.

Regardless, a pill can mask your anxiety and elevate your mood out of being melancholy, but it can not do what 30 minutes on a treadmill does for the body and these pharmacological agents most of all do not heal. They simply hold the problem in a frozen state.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 01:17:46 2016 No.8421844 Why do you keep making this thread?

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Wed Oct 19 01:45:06 2016 No.8421907 >>8421844 >Why do you keep making this thread? How many times do you think I made this thread? The last time I made this thread, was about a month ago and it lasted for a few weeks before reaching the bump limit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 01:45:58 2016 No.8421908 >>8421907 At least 3.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 02:02:41 2016 No.8421933 >>8421790 i dont really know much about the frequentist vs bayesian thing in terms of significance testing. i know though it would be difficult/take time for trends to change.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 02:10:09 2016 No.8421947 >>8421395 adhd is real

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 02:12:13 2016 No.8421950 >>8421395 addressing symptoms that grossly characterise the disorder and have been tested in labs for the last 36 years. its not the validity of the diagnosis thats the problem, it the blurred line between disease and no disease,

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 06:08:54 2016 No.8422150

>>8421726
>He told me that there's no real "physical evidence"
yes, you also can't find any hard, "physical evidence" about someone caring for you or not, someone being friendly or not, yet all of these most certainly exist. You can't quantify some things, that's just something scientists will have to deal with.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 06:18:22 2016 No.8422159

>>8422150
Why do people keep returning to this? How retarded do you have to be? The matter has never been about whether the state the label is supposed to be describing mechanically exists, it's about the supposed nature of these disease states. Their basis, their origin, their genesis, how they may be interfaced with, whether they are to be considered disease states at all.

Etc. Stop going back to this. You're being a fucking prattling moron. It's time the dialogue moves along, stop holding it back and be the bigger person or shut up and don't get involved.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 06:25:05 2016 No.8422165

>>8421726
>All psychiatrists can really do is prescribe medications to patients based on what patients have said, and keep prescribing medications until they find something that works. If it works, great, if it doesn't work, then keep prescribing more medications.
Most of medicine is more or less educated guessing. It would be nice if we could go to the doctor, and the doctor could easily tell what particular bacteria or virus is causing a sickness. But as it stands, that'd require far too much effort. And mental health is another matter entirely, which adds a lot of other difficulties.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 06:28:59 2016 No.8422170

>>8422165
>Implying the core problem isn't first resorting to treating "mental health" pharmacologically
>Implying throwing lifestyle drugs at people isn't the core problem
You're broken, let's cycle you through some drugs to see what makes you work right. Enjoy your medicated life, see you in two months. :^)"

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 06:33:48 2016 No.8422173

>>8422170
i absolutely agree, therapy etc. is necessary, but that's ridiculously expensive and/or requires relatives wiling to do a lot of work. Also i feel like some doctors are just lazy and don't want to bother with an accurate analysis. I'm german and i've had some bad doctors, but also some good ones. I imagine it's worse in the US.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 06:44:51 2016 No.8422177 >>8422173 I think they're deficient know-nothin' care-not, educated morons, on average. I can't say that it's worse, but I can say that it's bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 10:07:39 2016 No.8422402 >>8422177 This. It's all about the money. They feign empathy for their patients, but why should they care? Fuck psychologists. Fuck psychiatrists.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Wed Oct 19 12:00:54 2016 No.8422749
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>>8422402

>This. It's all about the money. They feign empathy for their patients, but why should they care? Fuck psychologists. Fuck psychiatrists.

Yep. Pretty much.

On the one hand I've found that therapists and psychologists are overall much nicer, patient, tolerant, calm, competent, and understanding than psychiatrists and other doctors.

On the other hand I feel that only Adderall (prescribed by one of my psychiatrists) has been truly helpful, way above everything else (including psychotherapy, antidepressant medication, anti-anxiety medication, etc.)

Pretty much every doctor that I've seen (psychiatrists, neurologists, GPs, ENTs, optometrists, etc.) is only willing to speak to me for about fifteen — twenty minutes. Some of them only put up with me for about five minutes or less, even one GP going so far as to telling me, "OK. Close that mouth" while I'm describing my symptoms. I don't really have much of a choice on the matter. I can't tell them, "could I maybe speak to you for about one or two hours so that I could tell you my symptoms, my concerns, my entire medical history, my life story?" Only my therapists and psychologists are willing to put up with me for that long. Even they sometimes couldn't up with me for that long. One therapist cut the session short after only about fifteen minutes, when it should have an hour-long session.

Picture related. It's an e-mail that I received from the psychologist who tested me for personality disorders back in July of this year. He's basically telling me here, "you don't have any money to pay me? Boo-fucking-hoo. Too bad, so sad. Fuck off." And I wasn't even asking to receive "free therapy" from him through e-mail, I only wanted him to answer some of my questions (particularly questions in regards to my psychiatrist's strange behavior towards me, questions that my psychologist just kept repeatedly dodging in my e-mails.) So, yeah. This pretty confirms what I've suspected for years: it all comes down to profit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 15:32:55 2016 No.8423391 i actually dont really understand why theres such a stigma attached to psychological drugs when people take drugs in the rest of medicine all the fucking time and some of them have horrendous side effects.

Anonymous Wed Oct 19 15:39:29 2016 No.8423403

>>8422749
to be fair it is their job and theyre busy. ive always thought its a catch 22 in the way that i think money shouldnt dictate medicine but when using a free system it would take a relatively long time to get to have a 2 hour session with a psychiatrist.

but yeha sounds like an asshole.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 15:44:11 2016 No.8423419 >>8422749 why did your therapist cut you off? and what did u think u had ? bpd?

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Wed Oct 19 19:26:49 2016 No.8423903

>>8423419
I wasn't 100% sure that I had it, but for several years I kind of suspected that I might have had Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

But after paying this psychologist $700 to test me for personality disorders back in July of this year, and he told me that I didn't have any personality disorder, then I guess I'll have to take his word for it as he also told me that he's not allowed to lie to me due to the psychologists' "code of ethics". I still don't fully trust him, and he knows that I don't fully trust him as he actually told me that he knows.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 19:32:10 2016 No.8423918 When people involved in the DSM states that, using the most recent DSM criteria, you can diagnose a disorder with 100% accuracy but 0% validity, your field of research might as well be clown science.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Wed Oct 19 22:48:43 2016 No.8424373

Man, I'm so fucking done with trying to make friends.

Seriously fucking done with it.

I can't fucking believe I tried to take my therapist's advice.

I've tried so many times to make friends.

I tried to become friends with my teacher, I fucked that up. I tried to develop a "rapport" with my doctors, I managed to fuck that up too. I decide to try getting more "comfortable" around people, and I start gradually confiding with them personal things about me, like how I'm a 27-year-old unemployed high school drop-out friendless virgin who lives with his mother, and suddenly these people start going around texting each other all of this information about me and whispering to each other in front of me, laughing, and pointing at me.

I'll walk into a restroom and find that one of the toilets is clogged and most of the restroom floor is flooded, and a few seconds later a group of about five high school students will walk in and just stand there smirking with their cell phones in hand, waiting for me to leave. So I'll step out and a few seconds later they'll follow, and then they'll start talking to a group of girls who were waiting outside of the restroom and then they all start laughing and pointing at me.

I cannot fucking believe that I took my therapist's advice. I even fucking decided to get "comfortable" enough so as to remove my sunglasses and baseball cap when I'm indoors, and all of a sudden my teacher and a bunch of other people started laughing.

Every single little fucking thing that I do or say pisses people off. I try to find things to relate to with other people, like forcing myself to watch and enjoy the current popular sitcoms, and people will tell me that I'm trying too hard to fit in. I try to talk to people about my own interests, like my interest in science fiction, and I'll have people mocking me because apparently science fiction is for little kids.

I'm so fucking done with trying to make friends.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:22:17 2016 No.8424443 >>8424373 Nerd

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 19 23:24:36 2016 No.8424445 >>8423918 Still better than Math.

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Thu Oct 20 11:19:27 2016 No.8425304 >>8423419 >why did your therapist cut you off? Not sure. Maybe she was just annoyed with me? I dunno.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Thu Oct 20 11:32:01 2016 No.8425326

>>8422165

>Most of medicine is more or less educated guessing. It would be nice if we could go to the doctor, and the doctor could easily tell what particular bacteria or virus is causing a sickness. But as it stands, that'd require far too much effort. And mental health is another matter entirely, which adds a lot of other difficulties.

So basically, when people tell me that "it's all in your head!" and "use your own will power to overcome depression!", in a way, they're right. Because even the doctors themselves are admitting to me that they're not sure that the disorders that I've been diagnosed with are "real", that they can't be identified physically, and all that can be done is medicate me until I'm "cured" (if there even is such a thing as a "cure" for any one of my disorders.)

So then, if I've reached this point in my life where I won't be able to afford psychotherapy treatment, and I probably won't be able to afford medication for much longer... then I'll really have no choice but to simply use my own "will power" to overcome these disorders. But then, "will power" implies that there's such a thing as "free will", no? And evidence seems to suggest that there's really no such thing as "free will"? That it's all an illusion?

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Thu Oct 20 11:49:10 2016 No.8425351

>>8423403

The weird thing is that my psychologist kept refusing to answer any and all questions regarding my psychiatrist's behavior.

A few days ago my psychiatrist tried to force me to quit Adderall cold turkey because I was apparently experiencing "delusions". This is despite my psychologist's advice as he wrote on my psychological evaluation report here:

>>8413303
>>8413307

>Some of his vegetative symptoms appear to be somewhat mitigated by the prescription of a psycho-stimulant (Adderall), which has been used on a regular basis.

>There were no questions raised regarding his reality testing, no hallucinations reported, and no delusions noted either, failing to support a psychosis hypothesis (including all Schizophrenic disorders).

>He was advised to continue to attend his regular meetings with his psychiatrist (currently, Dr. ________) who prescribes Adderall

...and back in August of this year, my psychiatrist agreed to keep prescribing me Adderall without lowering the dosage, based on what was written on this psychological evaluation report. But now my psychiatrist is disregarding this psychological evaluation report and is telling me, "right. Well. Now you're definitely experiencing delusions. And I will make sure to inform your psychologist about this." My psychiatrist then asked for my psychologist's phone number, and I told him that I didn't have it at the moment but that I could try looking it up real quick on the internet through my phone, or maybe through his office's laptop, but he then said, "actually I have his phone number here. I'll call him now." So he called but the answering machine picked up, and so he hung up.

So now my psychiatrist has lowered the dosage for Adderall from 60 mg daily down to 40 mg daily, and is planning on gradually lowering it until I'm no longer taking it. And he told me to not go to any other providers for medication or else he'd stop completely prescribing me Adderall immediately.

So, yeah, this fucking sucks.

None !!5A27B1zfI5+ Thu Oct 20 12:56:51 2016 No.8425486

>>8425326
>So basically, when people tell me that "it's all in your head!" and "use your own will power to overcome depression!", in a way, they're right.
no, i simply meant that it's really hard to tell what diseases someone has, much more so for mental diseases. There are certainly many real mental diseases, and I'm sure Depression and ADHD and many others are real.
There's certainly free will in my opinion, although this is up to everyone's personal belief, science can't prove or disprove whether or not free will exists as it's merely observatory.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 13:19:11 2016 No.8425521 >>8424373 ill be your friend op :)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 13:32:59 2016 No.8425540 >>8425486 forgot to add: i can link you my steam or whatever if you want

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 13:42:14 2016 No.8425558

>>8425486
OP, Thomas Edison was told his whole life he was a shitbag and was so retarded that hed never accomplish anything. Google "geniuses who were called insane" and enamour yourself in how many times this has happened in history. You're not crazy dude. It is simple law of attraction: if you believe that there must be something wrong with you anf you've been spending all these years finding something wrong, then you will find something wrong!! It is quite simple. so let's stop convincing ourselves that there is something wrong with us and instead insist that there must be something we are exceptional at! Op, you are important for something. Maybe you're not the best mall cop in the world, but I have a strong feeling that you belong in an analytical career . there are infinite reasons to think negatively, and infinite reasons to think positively. Thinking negatively is easy, it's what we all tend to do. But if you exercise a small amount of discipline and train your brain to think positively, you will begin to see your life change and realize that your negative thoughts are just not valid. Set new habits, find new friends, think positively, eat a balanced diet. That is your cure, not a ridiculous amount of Adderall.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 13:44:58 2016 No.8425563 >>8413163 Medicine isn't science?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 16:37:25 2016 No.8425878 >>8422749 >people want money as compensation for their work You may be on to something Anon. Are you telling me that all these medical personnel are really just poor substitutes for friends, people who actually care about my well-being?

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Thu Oct 20 17:03:16 2016 No.8425916

>>8425878

>You may be on to something Anon. Are you telling me that all these medical personnel are really just poor substitutes for friends, people who actually care about my well-being?

Yeah, no shit right?

The point of the matter is that I already paid that guy $700 for 7 hours of his time, and most of the time was spent on me filling out the MMPI-2 along with a bunch of other tests.

After I was done with those tests, I still had hundreds of questions running through my mind but the guy just kept cutting me off. I was trying to tell him about my psychiatrist's strange behavior and was hoping for answers from someone, and he just kept interrupting me. This guy at some point even told me, "see, you have all of these questions but no one has ever taken the time to answer them. So you've been left alone with your own paranoid ideas. But I'm here now to listen to you." Except he wouldn't listen. Instead he just keep interrupting me, and then there would be these awkward silences lasting somewhere between 20-40 seconds where I'd try to think of something relevant to say without giving him the chance to interrupt me again.

So once all of that was over, I tried asking some of those same questions to him through e-mail, but once again he just kept dodging them. For example, I tried asking him what "schizotypal personality style" should mean to me, and if there was somewhere I could read about it (like how "schizotypal personality disorder" is on the DSM-5, I figured that "schizotypal personality style" must have been on some book or web site or something to read about.) Instead he'd just get defensive and say things like, "I don't know where you can read about your personality style. Why would you pay good money for an expert opinion and disregard it?" He's also told me, "I'm not your therapist, I was your evaluator. Please do not make me switch roles." I wasn't even asking for free therapy. I just wanted some answers.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 17:45:01 2016 No.8425954

>>8425916

I mean, if he was your evaluator and not your therapist, it could well be illegal for him to answer some've the questions you were asking because he'd be acting outside his purview/expertise/whatever. Could be taken to task for ethical reasons, too.

Couldn't say for sure, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 19:01:52 2016 No.8426086 its so weird how OP is probably smarter than me but can't get a job or make friends

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 19:57:39 2016 No.8426160

>>8414094
It is very good that you weren't prescribed Abilify. Psychiatrists like to prescribe it without understanding it, and I mean that. Abilify is both an upper and a downer, as it is a partial Dopamine agonist. It would be bad for you to be on this and Adderall, and it wouldn't even make sense. I think you should've agreed to drop your adderall dosage a little, if they thought anything about you expressed schizophrenia.

Also, some of your symptoms may have actually been caused by previous medications. For example, Klonopin seems to turn people into heartless machines. It's like they're zombies, not thinking about what they do, but they still actually do stuff (that they may end up regretting, as Klonopin impairs decision making).

The Lexapro, primidone, and propanolol could've actually lead to you having ADHD-like symptoms without actually having it. If you do actually have ADHD, then I expect that those medications could have worsened your condition.

Look, the people on /sci/ are idiots. You realize that after seeing their responses, right? Don't let their bullshit make you feel bad. Seeing as to how you have an "internet addiction", I'm sure you know how ppl on here can be. ;)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:07:38 2016 No.8426171 >>8418211 oh fuck that's bad

TheOPwithMDD !Bpp1hi9e.U Thu Oct 20 20:23:26 2016 No.8426193

>>8426160
>Look, the people on /sci/ are idiots. You realize that after seeing their responses, right? Don't let their bullshit make you feel bad. Seeing as to how you have an "internet addiction", I'm sure you know how ppl on here can be. ;)

Yeah, with people on the internet, this sort of behavior is to be expected. It doesn't bother me as much as it used to, like 15 years ago when I was 12. I'm used to it by now.

But I've very rarely been outside these last 10 years. And these last few months that I've made a bit more of an effort in going outside... only to find people displaying a lot of the same behaviors that you see on the internet... it fucking sucks. Especially now that everyone nowadays, especially teenagers, have cell phones with cameras and internet. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with people nowadays? Even I don't fucking take pictures of people in public. Is it just this city, Los Angeles, that's this fucked up?

>>	TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Thu Oct 20 20:25:25 2016 No.8426196 >>8426193 Aw fuck, wrong tripcode again.

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:25:36 2016 No.8426197

>>8421726
A "disorder" can be thought of as simply a name that describes a collection of possible traits. The symptoms or traits can definitely be real. When a doctor makes a diagnosis, he is simply matching a patient's symptoms to the disorder(s) that he/she thinks best encapsulates the patient's traits/symptoms. Think of k-clustering, if you know anything about it (look it up if you don't). A disorder can be thought of as one of the groups that is recognized by k-clustering.

We don't know enough about our genes (and especially protein folding) to be able to give a definite answer to what causes disorders (or, more importantly, symptoms). Because we can't presently build up our knowledge from the ground up with theory, going from the genes to the macroscopic behaviors to the symptoms, we have to come up with ways to treat people based on statistics. We determine the most-likely diagnosis, and then we choose the most-likely-to-help treatment. Not everyone will be properly diagnosed, and not everyone who does get diagnosed properly will get the proper treatment. But we try to operate in such a way that we help the greatest amount of people, since we can't help everyone (yet).

Anonymous Thu Oct 20 20:35:58 2016 No.8426213

Don't worry about involving any relatives or friends with your issue. Unless your limbs are falling off you'll only ever receive the complimentary conversational fuck to be given, as is the societal norm. And you're not an exhibit so don't accidentally lead people into treating you like one. I've been diagnosed ADHD from an early age and am now going through therapy for basically the rest of what you were diagnosed. My biggest problem is my mother nearly forcing me to take medication in front of her to prove I'm actually taking it. Let that be an example to you as well, sometimes little bits of life are what drive you into a 'disorder,' so taking an orderly and analytical standpoint on your life can only ever help. Those are my two cents, best of luck.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 21 11:28:04 2016 No.8427369

>>8425521

>ill be your friend op :)

Not sure how serious you are, but I've found that when it comes to "internet friends", it's best to keep them "at a distance". I used to have a close circle of internet friends, but I let my guard down and told them too much about myself, information that they used against me.

I find that it's pretty much the same thing out in the real world. I keep getting told to be less "paranoid" and more "comfortable", and so I let my guard down. Only to get screwed over again and again.

People are so fucking fake. When I first met my adult school teacher last year, the guy honestly seemed like a really cool, friendly, mature guy. I felt like he could make a good friend. But I was wrong. He pretended to be friendly towards me, but it was so fucking fake.

I'm never letting my guard down again.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 21 15:57:29 2016 No.8427811

>>8425954

I guess what's bothering me was not that I was expecting on receiving “free therapy” through e-mail from my psychologist (let's call him: “Dr. Va”), but I was simply hoping that he might be able to answer some of my questions that were left unanswered during the sessions of July of 2016. My psychiatrist (let's call him: “Dr. Ch”) seems to be completely disregarding what Dr. Va wrote on my psychological evaluation report (which I made sure to make copies of to hand over to Dr. Ch back in August), in particular the following:

>Some of his vegetative symptoms appear to be somewhat mitigated by the prescription of a psycho-stimulant (Adderall), which has been used on a regular basis.

>There were no questions raised regarding his reality testing, no hallucinations reported, and no delusions noted either, failing to support a psychosis hypothesis (including all Schizophrenic disorders).

>He was advised to continue to attend his regular meetings with his psychiatrist (currently, Dr. Ch) who prescribes Adderall

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 21 15:58:33 2016 No.8427814

>>8425954

According to Dr. Ch, I am now experiencing “delusions” and he wants to stop prescribing Adderall altogether. After some discussion, I managed to convince Dr. Ch to keep prescribing me Adderall, and he agreed, but he lowered the dosage from 60 mg daily down to 40 mg daily. He also told me that he's planning on gradually lowering the dosage of Adderall until I am no longer taking it. Apparently, the Adderall seems to be what is causing my “delusions”. This goes against what Dr. Va wrote on my psychological evaluation report that I am neither experiencing delusions nor hallucinations. Dr. Ch is also disregarding Dr. Va's advice that I should continue taking Adderall, despite what Dr. Va wrote about it mitigating some of the vegetative symptoms of my depression. I even told him what Dr. Va told me that I “definitely did not imagine” all of that stuff that happened with some of the other providers at Dr. Ch's practice, that it definitely was not due to a symptom of a mental disorder (like schizophrenia), or a symptom of a personality disorder (like narcissistic personality disorder), or a symptom of major depressive disorder (like “psychotic depression”), but Dr. Ch disregarded all of it. I find it funny that Dr. Ch's now suddenly deciding that Adderall is causing me to experience “delusions”, when this is the exact sort of thing that I was concerned about before I decided on taking Adderall back in the 1st of July of 2013, when I went to see Dr. Ch for the very first time.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 21 16:00:50 2016 No.8427816

>>8425954

Back in the 1st of July of 2013, Dr. Ch honestly seemed very tired, inattentive, and possibly falling asleep. He was yawning, nodding off, closing his eyes... at some point he just stopped talking and closed his eyes for about ten seconds while I was describing my symptoms and my concerns regarding Adderall. He would even repeat some of his questions and make me repeat myself several times, almost as if he'd forget my responses to his questions. However, I remained patient throughout the session under the suspicion that my tolerance was intentionally being tested (I suspected that he was possibly assessing me for narcissistic personality disorder.) After attempting to explain my various concerns to Dr. Ch for about fifteen minutes, he prescribed me Adderall for the treatment of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. I found it a bit strange that I was prescribed Adderall so quickly, especially after I had read about the side-effects of Adderall beforehand and how some people with drug-seeking behavior often seek Adderall for recreational use. After all that I remember thinking to myself: “really? You're prescribing Adderall to me just like that?” And now, after over three years have passed, after I've been taking Adderall for nearly two years... he's telling me now that I'm experiencing “delusions” and that I should stop taking Adderall.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 21 16:02:13 2016 No.8427820

>>8425954

This is partly why I decided to see a neurologist (let's call him: “Dr. Na”) back in 2013 (after I had already gone to see Dr. Ch), to see if it was possible to see if I was at the onset of schizophrenia. It is also why I wanted to see a geneticist, to see if I might develop schizophrenia in the future, as Adderall could possibly hasten the onset of schizophrenia in individuals genetically predisposed to developing it at some point in their lives. And my second psychiatrist (let's call him: “Dr An”, I was referred to him by Dr. Na back in 2013) actually told me that Adderall never triggers psychotic episodes, but he told me to not take regardless. And now... I have Dr. Ch apparently telling me that I'm basically experiencing delusions, possibly due to “amphetamine psychosis”.

TheOPwithMDD !!HFAgfgjX0Ys Fri Oct 21 16:05:27 2016 No.8427824

>>8425954

Dr. Ch also told me that there's no real “physical evidence” to suggest that any of the disorders that I've been diagnosed with (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder) are “real”. That there's no tests that can be done (such as anything involving MRI, fMRI, CT, CAT, PET, etc.) that could reveal any “empirical evidence” that could confirm, once and for all, that I actually do have these disorders. These disorders that I was diagnosed with were simply things that I was diagnosed with based on what I've said. All psychiatrists can really do is prescribe medications to patients based on what patients have said, and keep prescribing medications until they find something that works. If it works, great, if it doesn't work, then keep prescribing more medications. This is also what that nurse practitioner (let's call him: “Dr. Ba”) who tried to prescribe me Abilify (the antipsychotic) a few months back told me, because apparently I was showing “some of the symptoms of schizophrenia”. And he admitted that there were no real tests to confirm whether or not a patient actually has schizophrenia, psychiatry can only do so much. Just keep prescribing medications to patients until they find something that works.

After I was done with all of those written tests (like the MMPI-2 and all those others) back in July, I remember that I still had hundreds of questions running through my mind to ask Dr. Va. I remember Dr. Va at some point telling me, “see, you have all of these questions but no one has ever taken the time to answer them. So you've been left alone with your own paranoid ideas. But I'm here now to listen to you.” So once all of that was over, I've tried asking some of those questions to Dr. Va through e-mail, but he doesn't seem to want to answer any of my questions regarding Dr. Ch. I'm not looking for free therapy. I just wanted some answers.

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