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Stephen Hawking says that the universe can spontaneously create itself out of nothing. I've been thinking about this a lot lately, but I haven't been able to talk about it much with others. I remember someone else saying something along the lines of, if you put together all the matter, energy, dark matter, dark energy - all the stuff and anti-stuff - in the universe, you get a zero sum. If we can apply Occam's Razor to the question, why is there something instead of nothing, it seems like the simplest answer is that something, everything, is technically nothing.

What do you think? Is there evidence to expand on or contradict this?

>> No.8390471

>>8390463
It's not Hawking speaking, it's his chair.
Case dismissed.

>> No.8390520

You can either zero sum or use CHIM

>> No.8390525

>>8390471

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fW1eWuQkCE

>> No.8390530

>>8390463
>Is there evidence to expand on or contradict this?

God said He did it.

>> No.8390870

>>8390463
because net sum is NOT zero

>> No.8390873

Why does there appear to be more regular matter than dark matter is an open problem.

From laws that tend toward a thermodynamic equilibrium, a universe doesn't make sense. There are strong arguments to suggest we exist from a vacuum fluctuation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_genesis

>> No.8390882

>>8390873
>forgetting about matter/anti-matter symmetry
>falling for the popsci

>> No.8390885

>>8390463
I thought we confirmed the Higgs boson?

>> No.8390897

>>8390463
In my opinion we still have the problem that for the universe to spontaneously create itself out of nothing, we need to have physical laws by which it is possible. If there are no physical laws / rules, there would be no rule of how something can create itself out of nothing. So then we can ask where these physical laws come from.

>> No.8390905

>>8390897
>The assumption being that there aren't rules in nothingness.

>> No.8390965

>>8390897
Imo we can make no claim about how things work outside our immediate universe, since we cannot observe it at all we're forced to 'pass over it in silence' if you will.

For instance we have no grounds for asserting that beyond our universe rules like the conservation of energy or causality apply, since we only have evidence of them applying to things in our universe. Without these restrictions, creating a universe from nothing seems trivial.

>> No.8391371

>>8390897
What if the laws emerged in a natural process of nothingness converting to everything? I mean, what if it just plays out and orders itself like that? Is that possible?