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Will aging be cured before I die?

>> No.8329671
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8329671

It can be arranged that it won't

>> No.8329672

>>8329663
>Before I die?
So around 2080? Maybe? If it happens, it happens. Enjoy eternity if you can afford it.

>Cured
What do you mean? Will ageing be reversed? Will it be slowed/medically controlled? All maybes.

3 years ago mice had their age reversed, but they got cancer and bunch of tumors. If that's any hope for you.

>> No.8329674

>>8329663
We are very close to it but it would expensive as fuck

Save some money for it

>> No.8329679

>>8329674
Surely such tech falls significantly in price over time unless it requires huge amounts of energy or rare non-synthesable materials

>> No.8329685

>>8329679
No, it would actually raise in price just like gold but it would rise thousands of dollars per day

Why would you want to give inmortality to everyone?

>> No.8329686

>>8329685
Because capitalism

>> No.8329713

>>8329663

partial cure within 30 years total reversal within 70-100. if you're under 40 unless you're extremely unlucky you will see the year 2500.

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>transfusion from young donor revitalizes the old
MORE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!

Realistically tho I'm waiting for them to isolate what's in young blood that makes it better and using CRISPR to splice it into bacteria so they can pump it out like a factory. Hell you could grow it in your own home or even have a small implant with the modified bacteria living inside continuously pumping you full of medicine.

>> No.8329897

>>8329713
Wouldn't a partial cure speed up a total reversal by half time or 1.5x?

>> No.8329908

>>8329685
>like gold
Its a technology not a resource dumbass

Phones have gone down in price and virtualy every technology does in order to stay competative, unless one company holds a monopoly.

>> No.8329916

Any major breakthrough should at least modify heavily our DNA.
So it's only for people who haven't born yet.

>> No.8329920

>>8329897

if it's as easy as cleaning out metabolic junk then the timelines are more optimistic. if we have to go in and reverse all the epigenetic alterations to see a real impact on aging then it will probably take longer. we just don't know quite yet.

>> No.8329923

>>8329916
Depends on which country. China is into DNA modifying babies. There's more money to be made by fixing up adult humans. After all babies don't have any money. US would be more interested in that.
How about viral gene therapy? It's already being used to treat Parkinson's

>> No.8330139

>>8329663

Nope. Announce is scheduled for a day after your funeral.

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>>8329908
spice control

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>>8329713

>biasing your time estimate so worthless millennials can make it

Immortality means more time to not find a job and play shitty old 80s console games, right, anon?

>> No.8330254
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8330254

biological immortality is too complicated

even if you can treate DNA damage of aging. you'll have to constantly treat for cancers and other illnesses.

becoming a machine is much more stable. body parts can be mass produced. your mind can be transferred around. you can sit in a server forever if needed.

>> No.8330263

>>8329663
Op if your so spooked about it become a scientist stop being a faggot and take your fate into your own hands

like me

>> No.8330265

>>8330254
>your mind can be transferred around. you can sit in a server forever if needed.
yeah, no

you can't really replace the aging biological brain which is why biological immortality is the only way

>> No.8330268

>>8329663
if there would be an affordable pill that makes you young again we would probably all start to starve to death in a few generations.

>> No.8330280

>>8330265
we can already wire robotic limbs to human brains. transmitting motion controls and the sense of touch.

it is only a matter of time before we can turn your entire mind into quantum computer data.

>> No.8330288 [DELETED] 

>>8329713
>if you're under 40 unless you're extremely unlucky you will see the year 2500.

Pls tell me people don't unironically believe this. Wew.

>> No.8330294

>>8330288

i absolutely believe it

>> No.8330306

>>8330294
not him, but that's retarded

even if we somehow achieve partial negligible senescence in humans in our lifetime, you will probably die from some disease after your first century of life (or earlier)

achieving negligible senescence is about giving ourselves hope for the future and the comfort of not having a timer on your life ticking away possible experiences that you could potentially obtain if you remain young.

muh immortality was never about actually living to be lots of centuries long, that's unrealistic and very unlikely

>> No.8330307 [DELETED] 

>>8330294
Then pls go back to r/futurology

>> No.8330317

>>8330306

the point is to not die from disease anon

>> No.8330339

>>8330306
>You will probably die from some disease
Chance of dying for a person sits at 0.000...1%..

>> No.8330346

>>8330317
>>8330339

Do you think immortality cures cancer? It doesn't.

Consider what your chances are of dying from cancer as time goes by since you won't be dying from some old-age related disease (that's an assumption too, not necessarily realistic).

>> No.8330366

Where do people get their optimism from? We seem to be pretty clueless about so many things so unless we are at the start of an exponential improvement of technology I don't see this happening anytime soon.

>> No.8330398

>>8330366
>Where do people get their optimism from?
Same place people get faith, ideas, and etc. From the mind you dumb ass.

Get the fuck out not knowing this shit.

>> No.8330413

>>8329663
Probably not. Then again google is working on it so maybe.
It would probably require something analogous to sci-fi nanites to make it work though. I mean you've got to repair all the damage that DNA accumulates over the years or you'll eventually die for certain.

>> No.8330422

>>8329663
No. And even if it would be. You wouldn't be able to afford it.

>> No.8330423 [DELETED] 

>>8329663
>>8329671
Take your pedophile cartoons back to >>>/a/.

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>>8330237
>Immortality means more time to not find a job and play shitty old 80s console games, right, anon?

Don't worry. Your lifestyle related diseases will have killed you long before we have any effective longevity treatments.

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>>8329713
>partial cure within 30 years total reversal within 70-100. if you're under 40 unless you're extremely unlucky you will see the year 2500.

Riiiiiiiiiight

>> No.8330493

>>8330490

good argument. i have never seen that comic before.

>> No.8330529

>>8329663
No. It will be withheld until the day after.

>> No.8330544

>>8330214
I know this reference!

>> No.8330557

>>8330490
>Change = Immortality in that comic.
>They never described what is Change
>Implying Change on any level literally didn't happen in that comic. (Person aged did they not? That's change)
>Not even telling us about the world those individuals in the comic lived in.

>> No.8330561

>>8330280
>>>/x/

>> No.8330573

>>8329679

Everyone will be able to afford cause they can just get a 2000 year loan lol.

>> No.8330640

>>8330573
>You want to live another century and be young?
>Sign this life loan.
>You fuck up we collect your life insurance and not your family.

>> No.8330723

>>8329663
Cured? Not without some heavy changes to our genetic code. Or just going full cyborg.

What does look like a plausible option is one of constant maintenance.

Using the latter we can extend our lives until the first comes possible.

>> No.8330725

>>8329663
>cured
Aging is a cure.

>> No.8330744

>>8330723
You know, I could see some form of immortality coming into existence within the next fifteen years using stem cell organ replacement. Whenever a major organ needs replaced, you contact your local organ grower and place your order. A few months later you go in for the surgery and wake up to find a healthy new liver with a biological age comparable to that of an infant. Combined with suspended animation procedures that are already close to seeing the light of day, and virtually any surgery should be survivable. Pretty much anything besides the brain should be able to be replaced, so the only problem left is how to rejuvenate aging brain tissue. Now I could see maybe small portions of the brain being replaced using surgical methods, but that leaves the issue of totally erasing whatever information that part of the brain had previously stored. Obviously waking up and having no idea who the fuck you are because your just had your hippocampus removed wouldn't be good. Perhaps injecting healthy neurons directly into the brain would be a solution, but would probably be costly and require many sessions for any significant portion of your dying brain cells to be replaced. Then again, I'm pretty sure the brain already creates new neurons every day in certain areas, so maybe if we understood this mechanism we could use genetic modification to greatly increase the speed and scope of this natural process.

>> No.8330745

Kurzweil said we would and I believe him.

>> No.8330751

>>8329663
Aging
>Cured

But death is part of life, anon.

>> No.8330780

>>8330751
Shut the fuck up hippie

>> No.8330824

>>8330780
To make an alteration in the evolvement of an organic life system is fatal. A coding sequence cannot be revised once it's been established.

>> No.8330826

>>8330780
Cells aren't perfect, and replication of a Carbon Ship of Theseus.

>> No.8330828

>>8330751
Or you could say life is inseparable from death, both being states of existence?

>> No.8330839

>>8329663
donate to SENS, it's literally the only thing you brainlets can do (doubt any of you can do research on this)

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>>8330423
How boring must one's life be to post this kind of messages everyday?

>> No.8330859

>>8329923
But DNA is not everything isnt it? Some changes, that brakes your body, are just mechanical. How you fix, for example, a deformed eye?

>> No.8330863

>>8330346
All diseases are curable once we find what couses them. If we can alter human body and genome so we stop aging, do you really belive we wont be able to cure diseases?

>> No.8331059

>>8329663
No.
Ageing will never be cured. We will all die someday, regardless of the technology available.
We (under 30) might get to live a long shitty life until neurodegenerative diseases and normal ageing turn you into a vegetable, your bank account runs dry and someone pulls the cord.
Nobody is going to get younger though.

>> No.8331102

>>8329663
are scientists even pursuing a cure? or like why do transhumanist people always act like death/aging are on the fringe? just to feel like rebels?

>> No.8331106

>>8331102
>are scientists even pursuing a cure?
Some certainly do, but the vast majority of people just accept the fact that life is finite and ugly by the time they're 40 anyway.

Even if you could live forever, what would be the point anyway? Are you going to reproduce again? More monkeys? What?

>> No.8331109

Death is the cure. Even if you were immortal you would eventually go insane.

>> No.8331123

>>8331106
>>8331109
>Even if you could live forever, what would be the point anyway? Are you going to reproduce again? More monkeys? What?
>Death is the cure. Even if you were immortal you would eventually go insane.

either way we should be pursuing a cure. then let people decide for themselves if and when they're sick of life.

plus right now you only get like 20 to maybe 30 years of youth depending on your genes, and then maybe 50 years of aging and suffering your way to the grave. you wouldn't trade this for say 100 straight years of youth? you're always free to kill yourself if it gets boring.

>> No.8331128

>>8331106
the point would be to not die

>>8331102
Yes, although there is no consensus on aging being a disease.
They would say that they merely are searching ways on "slowing aging", still it's a field that is getting more and more funds as first world countries populations get older and older.

Look at Calico for instance

>> No.8331134

>>8331123
why should people have a choice?
why should they even exist in the first place?
humanity is a stupid animal colony, you are also a stupid monkey.
There's nothing to do here.

>> No.8331138

>>8331134
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

>> No.8331143

>>8331138
I'm closer to 30 than 17

>> No.8331145

>>8331109
Not with human memory as shit as it is

>> No.8331151

>>8331145
this, you will slowly change personality and forget old things and eventually you'll be a different person.
I guess it's better than dying though.

>> No.8331160

>>8331143
oh,shit 24year old detected
tell us about the wisdom you collected with all of your life experience, kek

>> No.8331444

>>8331151
im just 21 yo and i feel like ive already changed many times throughout my life and it always was change for the better
if it would work in similar fashion throughout my to be infinite lifespan i can see myself becoming some sort of a sage :^)

>> No.8331456

>>8329663
It would be extremely painful.

>> No.8331467

>>8329663
They wouldn't give it to you even if they had it. Overpopulation is a bitch.

>> No.8331471

>>8331444
>:^)
I hope your next iteration is less of a faggot

>> No.8331472

>>8331444
looks like you got your wish early.

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>> No.8331552

>>8331500
fuck off, Pete

>> No.8331559

even if ageing was cured, people would probably commit suicide before the 250yo mark.

>> No.8331577

>>8331559
>he doesn't want lo live in a catgirls fucking simulation for millenias

>> No.8331808

>>8329663

Nope! They'll wait until the day after you die to present the cure, which already exists.

>> No.8331846

>>8331559
all of the intelligent people would eventually kill themselves, leaving only the retards to live in blissful ignorance for the rest of eternity

>> No.8331852

>>8331559
And?

>> No.8331867

>>8331559
better than what we have now desu. most people die before the 70 year mark

>> No.8331868

>>8329718
I've heard about this but nobody has said what the eventual cause of death in these mice is.

>> No.8331874

>>8329672
Seems like a good time to put it on the market.

*Gives people an over-hyped product..
"Oh dear, turns out you need this medication for the rest of your life... swear we didn't know better"

>> No.8331942

>>8331868

their heart stops. aging is multiple cause so just one factor isn't going to do the trick

>> No.8332038

>>8329663
Alzheimer's

>> No.8332081

>>8331942
People who don't abuse their body can have good hearts for quite a long time. As in, autopsies and learning dissections routinely get hearts from 80 year olds that could easily be from a 20 year old.

>> No.8332148

>>8331444
It's different. Now you're still adjusting to this life.
As time passes you will adapt to new experiences but most likely forget old ones. You will adapt to new circumstances but you will never become some kind of super-sage, your capacity is limited.

>> No.8332153

>>8329718
Probably the young blood carries hormones and/or signaling chemicals that promote growth.

That's really nice until you get a Glioma because of your stupidly old brain that's pushed to it's limits.
Although it might be worth it, it's not a permanent solution. It's terribly disappointing that there might not be a solution.

>> No.8332158

Star Trek characters might be immortal.

>> No.8332617

explain pic related

>> No.8332619

>>8332617
nice job faggot

>> No.8332673

No it will cured the day after you die xD

>> No.8332683

>>8332619
thats mean ;_;

>> No.8332703

If aging is cured, then the economic effects would be extremely undesirable for (((politicians))).
If your lifespan is indefinite, what's the purpose of working hard every day of your life for a job you hate because it's the way you can make the most money in your lifespan?
Once you own a house, your minimum spending while still living comfortably plummets dramatically.
If you worked an average of 10 hours a week, you'd be getting $200-600 if you held a decent job.
Even just $200 a week is plenty enough to live on if you're not buying lots of expensive things, I live on less than that and almost all of it goes into (((rent))) that I wouldn't be paying if I had a house.

>> No.8332719

>>8332617
Gravity is a rood dood

>> No.8332736

>>8329663
Yes but it would be extremely painful

>> No.8332749

>>8332736
How so?
The pain of age comes with bodily aging.

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8332764

We already possess the technology. It just hasn't been released to the public because the "1337s" won't release their mental workout methods. Vampires exist, just not as one would expect.

>> No.8332790

Man I came into this thread expecting talk about cells,aging in humans and other species on earth such as jellyfish. Or results people received from tests against ageing.

But all I got was "Your gonna die." "Overpopulation" "You'll go insane and kill yourself." "You can't do anything against aging or cells." "Death is part of life.".

What fuck /sci/?

>> No.8332827

>>8329916
>So it's only for people who haven't born yet.

>implying you can't edit the DNA of living creatures

Doctors are working on oncolytic viral vectors now

Also

CRISPR

>> No.8332833

>>8332736

4U

>> No.8332871

>>8332827
What are they going to do, change hair and eye color? I don't see much beyond it being ethical.

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>>8332871

>> No.8332979

>>8332703
>huge decrease in healthcare budget
>do not have to pay for them pensions
>do not have to import unskilled labour from third world countries anymore
>they themselves would enjoy it too

If it was so economically disastrous, why do the FDA funds researchs on delaying aging and why do Google have Calico?

>> No.8333147

>>8330237
Ykno, we'll probably have done away with most work by the time of living forevet

>> No.8333149

>>8332790
Did you read the wrong thread?

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>>8329663
if it is, your beta ass will not be worthy of everlasting life
>pic related

>> No.8333165

>>8331577
Cute elf girl merchant life plz. Hero players > cat girls

>> No.8333291

Wouldn't want to do it while stuck in a human body desu

>> No.8333303

>>8333291
Why?

>> No.8333304

>>8332790
this is a huge reoccurring problem in this type of research actually. aubrey degrey calls it the Pro-aging trance: "the impulsion to leap to embarrassingly unjustified conclusions in order to put the horror of aging out of one's mind".

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>>8332764
>>8332764
>>8332764
>This is how vampires are really like.
QUICK SOMEONE ALERT ALEX JONES

>> No.8333969

>>8329672
>2080
I would be 87, I don't like those odds

>>8332081
Part of that could be that they have genetics for good heart health. It's entirely possible you've been fucked since the moment you've been conceived

>> No.8334011

Ok so... how about them cryogenics?

>> No.8334018

>>8334011
You first

>> No.8334114

>>8334018
I'll wait till I'm done with what I'm doing here and now, thanks.

Seriously though, did they figure out how not to let your neurons crystallize or whatever the issue was?

>> No.8334274

>>8333969
what about Alexis Carrel's chicken heart experiment? He kept a heart beating in a sealed glass jar by feeding it nutrient for over 20 years. The only reason the heart stopped is because Alexis Carrel died and nobody continued the experiment.

>> No.8334290

>>8329663
no, ageing is a side effect of entropy, and biological material cant survive entropy for a long time. i know im putting it into simplistic terms but what you need to know is that there is no cure for ageing, only alternatives to work with what we've got in order to expand our lifetime

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8334300

>>8334290
>ageing is a side effect of entropy

>> No.8334306

>>8334290
You faggots are why I feel autistic the very rare times I need to use the word 'entropy'. Thermodynamics is not everything.
>>>/x/

>> No.8334321

>>8334306
>>8334300
all beings live by literally burning shit to produce energy, and that causes damage to the very same complex chemical structures that make up the body

i assume you two are a couple fo retards who didn't finish high school, back to /b/ with you

>> No.8334327

That's because you arn't a chemical engineer. Everything is described by entropy

>> No.8334343

>>8334321
Not even wrong.

But if you reversed entropy (I.E. time travel) you'd grow younger.

>> No.8334355

>>8334343
>what is chaos theory

>> No.8334368

>>8334290
>Ageing is a side of effect of entropy
The fuck did I just read? You just went full retard.

>> No.8334391

>>8334290
On a very fundamental level, that is technically correct, but it is not the full story and doesn't explain why we, as humans, grow old and die at certain ages while certain bacteria, if given good nutrients and a comfortable environment, can live for an incredible amount of time.

You are correct, there is absolutely no way anything can live on forever. But our aging and natural death is due to our cells losing the ability to divide after a certain number of divisions.

Our DNA loses pieces of the very ends of the chromosomes called telomeres each time they divide. Too many divisions, and there is too much DNA damage to important genes which keep us alive, and thus we die.

One way to combat this is to extend the length of telomeres, but this has a nasty side effect: This is the way many cancers begin. We don't necessarily want to be messing with telomere reconstruction if it proves to be cancer forming.

>> No.8334399

>>8334391
>>8334368
as i said saying it's because of the entropy mame is putting it into simplistic terms, since i won' pick apart all the things that contribute to ageing. since its a gigantic waste of time and after all, it doesn't prove anything useful telomere lengthening, hormones and organ replacement are only the tip of the iceberg. dont assume that ageing comes down to only one factor that we can fix and then boom, problem solved we all get to be immortal, if it were so simple it would have been done by now

>> No.8334404

>>8334399
It certainly is not that simple, you are correct. Our knowledge is not complete in this regard, and like I said, there are huge drawbacks. It is not a be-all-end all by any stretch of the imagination.

>> No.8334676

>>8334321
>all beings live by literally burning shit to produce energy
t. high school summerkid

>> No.8335672

>>8334321
Your body constantly replaces old or destroyed parts of itself. That mechanism just gets worse. There's not a single reason it should be impossible to fix

>> No.8335693

>>8334290
>ageing is a side effect of entropy

That's like saying aging is a side effect of the universe. It's technically true because it's true of all things.
Can you name one thing that isn't a side effect of entropy?


But back on the topic of this thread. If you wish to create a cure for aging from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

>> No.8335712

>>8329663
Yes, the day before.

>> No.8335947

>>8329672
>3 years ago mice had their age reversed, but they got cancer and bunch of tumors. If that's any hope for you.
Honestly that's still better than spending the last years of your life with a weak body and mind. This would also reduce healthcare costs.

>> No.8335965

>>8330268
We would also have more people that can work.

>> No.8335998

>>8330557
How much did the airliner industry change since 70?

>> No.8336076

>>8335998
Anon the airline industry has changed like a motherfucker since the 70's. Its changed since the 40's-50's.

>> No.8336680

>>8334274
this

Why can't you put a brain in a jar full of nutrients and hook it up to a cyborg body? Keep the nutrients pure and replenish it frequently and it should be an immortal brain, right?

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8336910

Why aren't all the super rich old guys funding anti-aging research? Isn't time worth more than money for them at that point?

>> No.8337002

>>8329663
Maybe, but I doubt plebs like us will have access to it.

>> No.8337118

>>8330280
If that even happens it wont be YOUR mind, just a copy of it.

>> No.8337179

>>8329663
Am I the only one who thinks bionics will come before a cure to aging?
I.e. completely artificial bodies with only our brains and nervous systems inside a robot body

We have made so, so many leaps forward with prosthetics, from prosthetic limbs that can feel to in body prosthetic hearts.

Cure Alzheimer's disease and the likes and we'll be pretty well off it seems.

>> No.8337358

>>8337179
>Bionics will come before curing aging.
Most likely.

Wouldn't one be able to cure Alzheimer by curing aging?

>> No.8337610

>>8337358
I'm not a doctor, but from my limited understanding, one big problem with curing aging is it wouldn't necessarily stop Alzheimer's or cancer or any of the other numerous problems/risks that come along with age.

>> No.8337628

>>8337358
>Wouldn't one be able to cure Alzheimer by curing aging?

Nope. Computer modelling shows that Alzheimer's is inevitable for every single person if they live long enough. Some people are simply more prone to earlier onset. There is very little evidence linking aging-related compounds such as telomeres to Alzheimer's.

>> No.8337674

>>8329663

Let us sincerely hope not.

Other human beings have died, and of course not gone to heaven, or hell, or to any place in between. Of course, they have simply ceased to be.

Therefore, why should it be tolerated that a single human being escape into a pretense of immortality? Happily, we may yet hope that Entropy cuts them all down within an age, but the horrible truth is that it may happen that some really are, ontologically, better than others.

The fact that every human being dies, that every human being can be killed, is one of the few things that has made existence bearable. A regicide, a presidential assassination serves as a happy reminder that at bottom, no one is really any better than the other where it really counts, although the myths otherwise amusingly claw at an escape of this delightful reality, which is the source of my joy. The possibility of some form of scientific immortality is thus an abhorrence, against this view. happily, dumb brown muslim people will probably continue to be willing to immolate themselves in an effort to check western ambition on this point.

If I had the power to extinguish every living thing in this universe, rather than allow a single human being to live happily foever after, then I would unreservedly push the button. And what is more, this is a morally correct, and carefully considered judgment.

>> No.8337683

>>8337628

same as prostate cancer, so, theres that.

its more a question of whether you want to go out with memories / a functioning prostate

>> No.8337994

>>8329663
Maybe, but the question is, will you be able to afford it?

>> No.8338084

>>8336910
they do though, except Gates because he is a cuck

>> No.8338086

>>8337674
nothing you said had anything to do with OP's question, you edgy memester. An ageless individual can still die, but not from aging.

>> No.8338122

>>8329663
Honest question here:

Who will be the ones to create/research this? What field did they study, which degrees do they need/have?

>> No.8338123

>>8332879
not him;
what's the joke?

>> No.8338809

>>8338086
>An ageless individual can still die, but not from aging.
Sounds pretty damn good to me. Living a long time without aging biologically.

>>8338122
>Who will be the ones to create/research this?
You have SNES by some Grey guy who is doing research on anti-ageing, and then you have Calico from Google who is doing research.

>What field did they study?
Bio-engineering?

>> No.8339089

>>8338086
What if we implement enhanced axolotl like stemcell regeneration on top? Would we have unlocked the key to human's full potential?

>> No.8339095

>>8331846
If aging was cured, retards would eventually become intelligent.

>> No.8339531

Let's say ageing is cure? What is the next big step for humanity?

What would our ultimate end goal be? Would it be away for us to create own artificial planet/star, and find a way to avoid the heat death of the universe and chill for an eternity?

>> No.8339547

>>8329663
>somone cures aging
>if you had the cure, then likely everyone else has too, because you're a pleb
>resources become scarce because there's so many people alive
>many a conflict and death later
>maximum population
>next to no children birthed at all, and very controlled birth/death
>eventually better humans are genetically engineered
>you get killed to make way for a better human

>> No.8339569

>>8339547
Slippery slope fallacy.

>> No.8339772

>>8337674
Really makes you think...

>> No.8339826

>>8339569
>doesn't understand speculative scenarios
>>>/lit/

>> No.8339857

>>8339826
Speculative or not he's right though. That entire post is a slippery slope.

>> No.8339864

>>8329663
i want to be young forever

>> No.8339923

>>8337118
>what is delay line memory?

you'd be migrating your very thoughts and memories into a new home and you'd eventually begin to use thr cybernetic brain more than your flsh a d blood one. Come on senpai. This doesn't need to be a copy, it just needs to be a new avenue. You don't build a new house from the start, you add onto the old lme and begin to migrate to the mew one.

>> No.8340016

Head guy at SNES predicts ageing under reasonable medical control around 2036.

How reasonable is his prediction?

>> No.8340074

>>8340016
Add 15-20 years min. for open treatment, which WILL cost a fuckton. Century long loan anyone ?

>> No.8340094

>>8340074
>Century long loan anyone?
I wouldn't mind taking out a loan if it actually works and I can get it for myself and family.

>> No.8340108

>>8339547
People would probably lean more towards engineering living humans to be better rather then birthing new ones. People don't want to makes themselves obsolete.

>> No.8340218

>>8340016
SENS not SNES

>> No.8340723

>>8340074
2040-2050 for expensive open treatment.
2060-2070 for decent open treatment.

That's not bad prediction. Young kids grandpa's/grandmaw's be their age or a lot healthier.

>> No.8341262

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-09-results-advance-transposon-theory-aging.html

evidence that dna occasionally randomly rewrites where it's not supposed to be. this might be the biggest issue in degenerative aging.

>> No.8341613

Wouldn't human beings living centuries to thousands of years, and maybe infinite greatly increase the number of skilled people we have in society and double our progress in all field as we don't lose some of our most brightest, and people becoming extremely bright due to all the time they have to study and do new things?

If biological immortality became a thing would things be measured on their chronological age, and would the oldest of our new society become the new elite ruling set?

>> No.8341631
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8341631

>>8329663
>not wanting to die eventually
Why would anybody want to live forever? I want to know what happens when I die.

>> No.8341639

>>8341631
>Why would anybody want to live forever?
Because its better than dying and not existing.

>> No.8341644

>>8341639
How do you know?

>> No.8341665

>>8341644
I don't and I don't want to find out.

I am telling you however, life is better than death and not existing though because when you're dead. You do not come back, you do not see the world or the universe or anything.

>> No.8342297

When are brain transplants going to be a thing? I want immortality NOW

>> No.8342301

>>8329672

Im already cancer, more tumors wont change me.

>> No.8342532

Why has no one here mentioned https://www.lifespan.io/?

I've given $1000 so far. Imagine if 500,000 people just gave $10 a month.

>> No.8342533

>>8340016
Reasonable if people like you donate to research or lobby government to do so. Unreasonable otherwise.

The general public (each and every one of us) is the weak link.

>> No.8342535

>>8329663
Why would anyone want to live for eternity in this shit tier world.

Enjoy getting to a point when you will be so unhappy, you'll kill yourself

>> No.8342545

Aubrey De Grey's AMA on plebbit, from yesterday

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/51wpds/aubrey_de_grey_matthew_oconnor_ama/

>> No.8342584

>>8342535
This is always what I think when I hear these anti-aging faggots.

>> No.8342669

>>8342535
Congratulations, Anon. 1 cent has been deposited into your account for a comment we heard all the fucking time.

>>8342545
Reddit aside that's pretty good to hear about the research going on at SENS. Probably give the document a read later, thanks for the link Anon.

>> No.8342713

>>8329718

It hasn't been said enough how awesome CRISPR is

>> No.8342938

>>8342535
The whole point is to give the choice of when and how to end ones life to the human in question, not some random transcription factor mutation caused by carcinogenic chinese farts.

>> No.8342966

>>8342535
Why live at all then you fucking faggot, only cucks kill themselves because they feel le unhappy.

>> No.8343127

If humanity no longer worries about ageing, and obtains some form of immortality few centuries later.

What do we do with all that time in the universe/our life?

>> No.8343266

>>8342669
>>8342938
>>8342966
Samefag butthurt

>> No.8343305

>>8329679
You'd have eternity to pay off your loans.

>> No.8343343

>>8342713
>It hasn't been said enough how awesome CRISPR is

There was a /d/ thread a few weeks ago about modifying intestinal bacteria to produce estrogen. Essentially a lifetime supply of hormone replacement therapy (assuming the bacteria colonize your GI) in a single pill, but with one side effect. Since farts contain some bacteria cells, your farts might become contagious. Farting in someones presence would turn them into a girl.

>> No.8343640

What is best view of a post-ageing cured society in a 1st world country? What is the moderate and worse view?

Would the next plan be to lower the chances of death by accidents/other things? Honest question.

>> No.8344029

>>8343266
>Samefag
Anon that's a lot of implications.

>> No.8344088

>>8343640

i see perhaps a lot of people living and interacting through VR to avoid the possibility of any kind of real life accident

>> No.8344095

>>8344088
>People living and interacting through VR to avoid the possibility of any kind of real life accident.
So what you are saying is more people would start to use an interactive skype with avatars, and what not to communicate with other people (Who aren't close family) from far distances?

Sounds believable.

>> No.8344121

>>8344095

you're being a sarcastic douche but what i see is anything that could be more dangerous than going to the kitchen might be simulated to a large degree to lower the probability of an accident.

>> No.8344134

>>8344121
>You're being a sarcastic douche.
Not really. Just trying to understand what you typed.

>> No.8344248

>>8343640
Assuming it doesn't turn out as a meme, auto driving cars once everyone has it would drastically lower accidents on the roads. The next step I think would be some kind of automatisation in your own house, personal assistants and shit so you wouldn't drink bleach by accident like some retards did. Then as the other guy said realer than life VR will probably be a thing too

All in all I don't see a catastrophic scenario for an ageless 1st world country, as long as 3rd world countries don't have access to it (which they won't anyway). It's a win-win situation really, you don't have to import your workforce anymore, you don't have to pay for sick leaves and healthcare, etc...

>> No.8344434

>>8343343

The whole gut bacteria thing is also really interesting.
Can't wait what will happen in due time. Maybe someday I can take a pill and leave my allergies and my asthma behind forever with no side effects whatsoever.

>> No.8344629

>>8344434
i did 6week fast then started eating shitload of natural probiotics and my allergy to cats is 100 times better now and my food allergies are gone
it was hard 40 days but totally worth it

>> No.8344657

>>8331500
Looks like Pete himself is tired.

>> No.8344778

>>8344248
When it comes to an ageless 1st world society wouldn't laws and things start to depend on the chronological age of people rather than their biological?

>>8343343
Damn, Anon. That was informative.

>> No.8344791

>>8344778
How so?

>> No.8344800

>>8342532
>.io

>> No.8344801

>>8342535
It's the only form in which you can exist, in this world and with the components of your body mainly brain healthy and intact.

>>8343127
Work.

>> No.8344962

>>8344629
I am almost underweight, so fasting is not really an option for me

>> No.8345249

>>8344962
i was 63 kg at 180cm
before beginning the fast i ate like a pig for some time (around 2 months with strength training) - went up to 68 kg
then during the fast (ate only vegetables and drank water - up to 800kcal a day) lost 8 kg but now im back to 63 looking a lot leaner, having a lot more energy and being objectively (through blood/piss/shit laboratory test) healthier. allergies went away and my TSH went normal (before diet doctors thought i have fucked thyroid and gave me hormones)

overall id recommend it to everyone even healthy people and then to continue eating well and exercising properly

thatd probably make you feel like demigod and extend your life by good few years

avoid drugs and supplements (except maybe vit D3 if ur snownigger) - lead good lifestyle instead

t. not jew

>> No.8345327

>>8345249
thank you hungry skeleton

>> No.8345332

>>8345249
Never give up Skeleton.

Man I hope anti-ageing is a thing.

>> No.8346747

>>8345249

Actually, ever since I gained weight (now I am at 73kg / 180cm), I have had fewer problems with my allergies and I started exercising recently.

But I will keep it in mind if they return or get worse.