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Well?

>> No.8309627
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8309627

Here's a better one:

There is a trolley heading towards 10 restrained CS majors. If you pull the lever, no-one gets hurt.

What to do, /sci/?

>> No.8309628

>>8309622
If one goes up and the other goes down, then the people on the trolley can get to their destination on time
:^)

>> No.8309636

Why the lever guys are tied up too?

>> No.8309655

>>8309636
kèkk

>>8309628
if you let them collide they will tunnel through each other without killing the hostages ;^)

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>>8309622
Well?

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>>8309622

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>> No.8309816

>>8309797
fuckin saved

>> No.8309824
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>>8309824

>> No.8309831

>>8309824
Wouldn't you just keep switching it? If the first number is odd then the next is even act you can just keep halving it

>> No.8309836

>>8309824
is killing yourself an option?

>> No.8309848

>>8309831
switch infinitely many times, kill infinite people

You can never get it to 0, as only way to reduce number is to halve

>> No.8309856

>>8309848
Nevermind I'm stupid

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>> No.8309865

>>8309860
Yup, this is what I expected to see

>> No.8309869

>>8309824
yup

i trust the collatz conjecture to be true

>> No.8309872

>>8309828
Be on the centre-bottom :3

>> No.8309886

>>8309824
So, every time I pull the lever the number of people I will kill either halves and triples depending on the starting number? Lets say the number of people originally destined to be killed is 3, which is the lowest odd number. If i pull the lever 1 time, I kill 9 people. 10 times I kill 3*3^10, which is 177,147 people. If I pull the lever 20 times I kill 3*3^20 people, which is 10,460,353,203 people - more than the population of Earth.
So, what i would do is pull the lever 20 times and so either effectively commit suicide or save every one.

That being said, this assumes the starting number is a whole, positive number which isnt explicitly stated.

>> No.8309892

>>8309886
If the number were 3, it would go

3
10
5
16
8
4
2
1
Then back to 4

>> No.8309897

>>8309886
you can keep pulling the lever before the trolley starts moving, but, when you stop pulling the lever after a while, the trolley starts down whichever track has the number of people you computed after your lever toggles.

>> No.8309921

>>8309797
>1000 miles
>Plenty of time left to save the man
>crew takes out the engine
>train stops
>crew puts engine back
>train kills man

>> No.8309929

>>8309921
What if there is a backup engine huh?

>> No.8309939

>>8309921
>he can run faster than a trolley
>he can run 1000 miles
sick

>> No.8309941

>>8309824
Let's say that there's 2 people.
Divide by 2.
You get 1.
You have to multiply it by 3.
There are now 3 people.
3 x 3 = 9
9 x 3 = 27
3^n = infinity if the level is pulled infinitely many times.
If you don't pull the lever, you will kill less than an infinite number of people.
Don't pull the lever.

>> No.8309946

>>8309941
You forgot to add 1.

>> No.8309948

>>8309941
You forgot to add 1, dingus

>> No.8309951 [DELETED] 

>>8309929
>crew takes out engine
>train stops

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>>8309801
Get gud and this is possible, just time that switch right.

>> No.8311655

i want to see them collide desu

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>>8309622

>> No.8311691

What the shit does this have to do with science or maths.

>> No.8311709
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>> No.8311725

>>8311709
Infinity is too many people anyway. I'm actually helping the world this way.

>> No.8311736

>>8311725
Wouldn't the existence of infinity persons imply an infinite world with infinite resources? People don't just poof out of the ether.

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>>8309824
Collatz would take the risk

>> No.8311773

>>8311709
infinite people means infinite mass in a divergent series. have fun with your reality as it collapses at the speed of light.

also don't pull the lever. i value myself more b/c i want to.

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>> No.8311803

>>8309676
kek

>> No.8311832

>>8311783
Better to just get it over with.

>> No.8312004

>>8309622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N_RZJUAQY4

>> No.8312014

>>8309824
wait there was a numberphile video about this recently. That algorithm always produces a 1,2,4 sequence if you do it long enough, so yeah you'd better start switching that lever boi.

>> No.8312025

>>8309824
I'd offer 500$ to anyone who would tell me what I should do, then just wait.

>> No.8312044

>>8312014
But what does that mean though? Don't you kill someone at every juncture? Doesn't that mean you shouldn't pull the lever at all?

>> No.8312051

>>8312004
was expecting one of these. 'it's amazing how young kids see things in a different light' bullshit.
Pleasantly surprised, based kid

>> No.8312068

>>8312004
fucking savage

>> No.8312085

>>8311736
No, but they can poof out of the aether. Shit is luminiferous

>> No.8312105

>>8309824
>Do you pull the lever
Yes, since there are less than [math]2^60[/math] people in the world

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Well?

>> No.8312113

>>8312004
thats pretty metal

>> No.8312173

[math]-\frac{1}{12}[/math]

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>>8312173

>> No.8312210

>>8309627
Walk away and buy myself a sodie pop

>> No.8312226

>>8311783
Pull the lever, it will eventually get to n - 1/12 and only kill 5/12 people

>> No.8312475

>>8311709
>don't pull the lever
>have to pay child support one month every year

>> No.8312950

>>8309793
All Star, the anime song distribution is such that the default is likely to produce a superior result (because All Star is GOAT).

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>>8309793
All Star, obviously. It doesn't make sense, dialectically speaking, not to live for fun.

>> No.8313122

>>8309793
the only answer is

SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME

>> No.8313141

The trolley problem is quite moot when the world is macaroni

>> No.8313212

>>8311709
>pull lever
>move out of the way

>> No.8313311

>>8309787
After running over 6 people it will slow down and won't do that totally sick loop-da-loop anyway. See, this is where Epicureanism comes in.

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>>8311709
Doesn't infinite reach the point to include yourself in the way?

>> No.8313325

>>8309793
Gotta roll the dice for cha la head cha la.

>> No.8313815

>>8313314
Intriguing possibility, given the track might be on a loop. Perhaps the infinity symbol might be interpreted as meaning it is a loop.

However, does it loop around to yourself, or does it loop around to where the trolley came from and continues avoiding you?

>> No.8314646

>>8309793
idk why but this made me laugh uncontrollably in my class

>> No.8314786

>>8311709
if you don't pull the lever you create 1/12 lives, so don't pull the lever

>> No.8314811

>>8309636
they can kick the switch

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>>8314786
I love this meme

>> No.8314885

>>8312004
psycho in the making

>> No.8314935

>>8314815
This is wrong though. When the trolley approaches, one of the other paths are revealed to have 5 people tied to it.

Then you pull the lever to change your choice.

>> No.8314980

>>8309886
How the fuck do you have a non whole positive number of people you autist?

>> No.8315000

>>8314980
cripple ?

>> No.8315493

>>8314820
Taking no action (including learning the situation) is the most ethical course of action.
Not killing the fat "man" trivializes the final outcome of any lever based decisions.

>> No.8315675

>>8309628
lol'd

>> No.8315677
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I wish I had saved it, but the one that made me think the most was something like this

>> No.8315682

>>8315677
Save yourself.
PTSD > Death

>> No.8315686

>>8309793
Lost
Also smash mouth

>>8309860
Fucking saved

>> No.8315688

>>8315682
So you value your own life over infinite lives that aren't yours, that is, if everyone is as much of a dick as you

>> No.8315697

>>8315688
yes

>> No.8315709

>>8315688
I think most people do

>> No.8315722

>>8312004
>uh oh

>>8312107
I'd pull a snidley whiplash

>>8314646
Did everyone look at you?

>> No.8315731

>>8312004
DAMAGED

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>>8309793
>Nothing you can do to save the people
Easy, do nothing. The people are saved.

>> No.8316149

>>8315688
>over infinite lives
Only five. The rest are the responsibility of the others down the line.

>> No.8316317

>>8312004

The child was merely perturbed by the notion of being forced to choose between outcomes that would yield an asymmetrical result with respect to the diverging track lines, i.e. one line or the other would remain obstructed as opposed to zero.

Of course in some context this could be interpreted as psychotic behavior, but I believe it simply indicates that the child is autistic.

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>>8309793
Left obviously

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>>8314820
Pretty good, reminds me of this

>> No.8318241

>>8316317
I'm happy you made this post.

>> No.8319229

>>8309793
Not going for All Star is a sin

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try this out you must decide who a selfdriving car with brake failure should kill

http://moralmachine.mit.edu/

>> No.8319291

>>8319287
multi-lane drifting ;)

>> No.8319298

>>8319287
this one is easy

2 young girls > 2 adult women
1 adult man > 1 old man

so it should kill the 2 women and the old man

>> No.8319309

>>8319287
3rd quesiton is dumb

How does the car know if it's a criminal or not?

>> No.8319313

>>8312004
Infinite edge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCiFO7qV54E

>> No.8319339

>>8319287
It should crash into the road dividers.

>> No.8319343

>>8319309
the whole site is dumb the fuck acar full of dogs or 10 dogs that are crossing a red light

>> No.8319392

>>8319343
What if a car full of dogs crashed into a car full of cats?

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>> No.8319630

>>8311709
Pull the the lever because i just don't care anymore

>> No.8319801

>>8314820
Kill the fat man.

>> No.8320068

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1472830036699.webm

>> No.8320127

>>8309622
Just untie one person and tell him to untie the rest.

You have to be stupid that a bunch of lava and a block of ice in the shape of a trolley is going to move on their own in like a mechanical trolley.

>> No.8320318

>>8319260
Lel

>> No.8320574

>>8309627
Pull the lever. I'm a CS student so....

>> No.8320577

>>8320574
>CS student
>doesn't understand supply and demand
seems about right

>> No.8320578

>>8320068
kek

>> No.8320736

>>8319532
Where's the boat, Kerry?

>> No.8320786

>>8319287

the car should send a signal to the crossing so that a barrier instantly comes out of the ground and stops the car

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>>8319287
>Options where you choose between passengers and pedestrians
Who would want a car that kills you?

>> No.8321021

>>8321004
as if you're going to have a choice, goy.

>> No.8321026

>>8321021
>implying they wont sell it as an add-on option

>> No.8321049

>>8319287
>have the option to kill a dog and a criminal or a dog, a criminal and 3 others
cool cool

>> No.8321059

>>8315688
[math] \color{Green} {>\infty < 5 \infty} [/math]
[math] \color{Green} {>imblyning} [/math]