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Anonymous Wed Aug 24 04:40:02 2016 No.8293491 [Reply] [Original]

Can any biologist tell me why it's possible to crossbreed Lions and Tigers, Horses and Donkeys, Dolphins and Whales but not Humans and Monkeys?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 04:42:54 2016 No.8293495 >>8293491 Genetic distance.

Anonymous Wed Aug 24 04:43:57 2016 No.8293496

>>8293491
Humans and the other Great Apes (monkeys? come on man... i know this is a bait thread but jesus christ) diverged far too long ago and are now too genetically distinct.

Horses and Donkeys are extremely close, Lions and Tigers not so much but still can be done... as for Dolphins and Whales, I never heard of such a thing and without googling, I wager you are making shit up at this point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 04:45:37 2016 No.8293500 >>8293496 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wholphin?wprov=sfla1

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 04:47:18 2016 No.8293502 >>8293500 >The name implies a hybrid of whale and dolphin, although taxonomically, both are within the "oceanic dolphin" family

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 04:51:00 2016 No.8293504 >>8293491 As far as I'm concerned it has never been seriously attempted. Maybe someome should go and knock up an Oorangutan Lady

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 04:55:30 2016 No.8293509 >>8293496 Monkey and Ape are interchangeable in most languages Judging by OP's filename he's german

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:11:58 2016 No.8293525 >>8293500 The wholphin is the result of breeding two types of oceanic dolphin. A false killer whale is an oceanic dolphin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:13:01 2016 No.8293527 >>8293504 Oh, I see. You have heard about the orangutan sex slaves...

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:14:24 2016 No.8293529 >>8293509 No they're not. Not even a little bit.

>>	Less is More Wed Aug 24 05:31:04 2016 No.8293538 >>8293504 >as far as i am concerned good thing you are the personal authority on the history of transpecies reproductive science, eh? guess we can just /thread now ...oh wait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanovich_Ivanov

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:49:28 2016 No.8293551 >>8293538 >1 failed attempt in 1920 means it's impossible

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:51:49 2016 No.8293554 >>8293529 >in most languages

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:53:31 2016 No.8293558 >>8293529 He's right though. I speak Portuguese and "monkey" and "ape" have only one translation: "macaco".

Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:55:49 2016 No.8293559
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>>8293551
>>1 failed attempt in 1920 means it's impossible
We don't even have the same number of chromosomes.
Besides, I'm pretty sure there have been lots more "attempts" than that in a non-laboratory setting.
Wasn't there speculation that humans originally caught AIDS from chimps?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 05:58:14 2016 No.8293562 >>8293509 >Monkey and Ape are interchangeable in most languages I think you mean "in layman's terms". So it's little different than someone coming here and using "theory" to describe their personal crackpot ideas.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:03:24 2016 No.8293567 >>8293562 Not sure how it is in German but in French the proper phrase for "apes" is literally "large monkeys". There isn't a specific word for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:07:05 2016 No.8293573 >>8293551 >as far as I'm concerned it's never been seriously attempted >anon posts a scientific endeavor as evidence that it has been attempted reading comprehension in the toilet, much? he isnt arguing that it is impossible (but it is)

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:14:14 2016 No.8293578 >>8293573 not an argument

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:22:39 2016 No.8293585 >>8293578 >literally retarded

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:25:20 2016 No.8293589 >>8293559 A horse and a donkey don't have the same amount of chromosomes either. Doesn't mean that Mules don't exist. Though I'm not agreeing with >>8293551

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:25:20 2016 No.8293590 >>8293559 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanovich_Ivanov >Wasn't there speculation that humans originally caught AIDS from chimps? From hunting/eating them, not from fucking them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:28:14 2016 No.8293592 >>8293585 >namecalling not an argument either >>>/b/

Anonymous Wed Aug 24 06:57:25 2016 No.8293611

>>8293592
What part of the logic chain did you honestly not follow, anon? maybe we can help you out:

> 1. Anon A argues that no serious scientific inquiry has been made regarding X.
>2. Anon B counter-argues by showing evidence in the form of a scientist who did in fact make a scientifically based attempt to achieve X

I'm thinking that it was maybe the step from 1 to 2 that threw you off? If this is the case, then the adjective "retarded" certainly applies to your person.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 07:02:59 2016 No.8293615 >>8293567 In german it's "Affen" for both

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 08:24:25 2016 No.8293684 I thought I remembered seeing speculation that we might be able to make hybrids with bonobos? Which should be easy since bonobos never stop fucking

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 08:26:21 2016 No.8293686 >>8293491 Because it is racist to do so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 14:09:41 2016 No.8294199 >>8293611 Doesnt show that it is impossible

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 14:18:27 2016 No.8294211 >>8293491 number of chromosomes

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 21:56:21 2016 No.8295316 >>8294211 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 22:40:36 2016 No.8295401 >>8293686 Half black children are a thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:16:31 2016 No.8295489 http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/shocking-story-sex-slave-orangutan-and-her-rescue/ No need to imagine if it was attempted, African reseachers alredy done that for us. I know, I know, but it was this or VICE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:18:27 2016 No.8295494 >>8295316 op has an extra one, probably from /pol/

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:20:49 2016 No.8295497 >>8293491 I wouldn't rule it out as at least plausible. Even differing ploidy isn't a guarantee against crossbreeding (horses and donkeys have differing ploidy). Of course, the obvious ethical constraints should keep us from ever endeavoring (again).

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:30:12 2016 No.8295526 >>8293500 >Wholphin Holy kek. That's a link to save.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:33:56 2016 No.8295532 >>8295489 >a village >in Indonesian Borneo >African Researchers You had every opportunity not to fuck this up. Also, Orangutans aren't especially close genetically. If hybridization is possible, it would most likely be with a Chimpanzee or a Bonobo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:42:09 2016 No.8295549 >>8295532 fuck I had a vague memorie, I googled it without re reading it. The reseacher part was a joke, you know.

Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:44:42 2016 No.8295558

>>8293491
Human sperms radar doesn't work on monkey eggs and vice versa.

You probably could manually inseminate the eggs though and implant them. Would likely have a lower survival rate and offspring would have decreased fertility but it would probably work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:55:33 2016 No.8295583 >>8294211 Not the impediment that you've been led, or are leading us, to believe. >mules

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 24 23:59:38 2016 No.8295586 >>8295583 Mules are sterile

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 00:04:09 2016 No.8295590 >>8295586 How is that pertinent?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 00:06:24 2016 No.8295594 >>8295590 I guess it's not to OP's question. Disregard. Either way, one except does not a rule make. Chromosome count is an issue for crossbreeding.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 00:08:31 2016 No.8295597 >>8295558 Not a monkey's perhaps, but there is evidence that human sperm can penetrate a great ape's eggs. Wikipedia, humanzee.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 00:09:33 2016 No.8295601 >>8295586 Not always.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 00:33:25 2016 No.8295628 >>8293495 /thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 15:25:48 2016 No.8296892 >>8293491 >but not Humans and Monkeys Genetic distance... closest other species was Neanderthal (there were a few other species, but none as important)

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 16:34:45 2016 No.8297022 >>8293491 Ever heard of mullatos, OP?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 25 20:49:13 2016 No.8297675 >>8293491 Yeahhhh, about that Out of Africa hypothesis, OP... What happens in Africa might not exactly stay in Africa.

Anonymous Fri Aug 26 02:07:29 2016 No.8298324

>>8293529
yeah, no difference in Hungarian either. Ape vs. monkey is some sort of characteristically English PC shit probably meant to placate somewhat the we don't come from monkeys crowd. It is very doubtful that a language evolved on an island with exactly one species of primate would naturally make such a distinction between exotic groups of distant animals. As with a number of other concepts, here English had a Germanic and a Normann (although monkey is originally Greek but carried by latinate culture) word for the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 02:14:30 2016 No.8298334 >>8298324 Monkeys and apes are both part of the Haplorhines, but not all monkeys are part of Hominoidea.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 02:24:03 2016 No.8298352 >>8298334 ... and?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 02:30:10 2016 No.8298357 >>8298352 That it matches the evolutionary history more accurately with separate terms, not that it matters to OP's question other than pointing out the .

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 02:31:17 2016 No.8298358 >>8298357 *that monkeys is more absurd than apes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 03:36:04 2016 No.8298416 >>8293615 Wrong, it's Affen for monkeys and Menschenaffen (human monkeys) for apes. Also note the similarity of the words "Affe" and "ape".

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 04:09:59 2016 No.8298464 File: 35 KB, 350x500, backinmyday-bet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8293496 >I wager there is no wagering at 4chan, Grandpa

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 04:12:00 2016 No.8298466 >>8293559 >same number of chromosomes fgt pls

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 12:40:03 2016 No.8299062 >>8297022 Lol: I knew there was going to be one post of this kind

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>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 21:01:02 2016 No.8300086 >>8300050 >filename

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 26 21:34:08 2016 No.8300178 >>8293491 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_(biology)#Interspecific_hybrids Scientific explanation

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