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So if NoFap is "just a placebo" wouldn't that implies that it works?

If something is a placebo that implies that it worked regardless of it actually being the cause of the result

>> No.8251940
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8251940

>>8251937

No

>> No.8251948
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>>8251940
>guy on forum claiming to be a Ph.D in Psychology

So /sci/ only likes psychology when it fits their narrative?

>> No.8251953

>>8251948

>attacking authority of both poster and sci, completely missing the point of the post

What the fuck type of argument is this?

>> No.8251963

>>8251953
I read the post, It literally agrees with my view on NoFap. It says that it is a placebo, which implies that it does something.

>> No.8251969

>>8251963

>The Placebo Effect
>(...) people feel good because they want to believe that their work paid off.

Placebo's work in the same sense that Nocebo's do: in your imagination. They are defined as not statistically relevant when concerning science.

Relevant video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2hO4_UEe-4

>> No.8251972

>>8251969
>Sir your cancer is gone
>But there's bad news
>We were giving you sugar pills this entire time

>> No.8251985

>>8251972
>Sir, there's bad news
>You have cancer
>You contracted it from these sugar pills

>> No.8251993

>>8251937
A placebo effect is a combination of bias and illusion not a real effect. However they can provide a change in a person's mood and a reduction of stress. Consequently the placebo didn't actually have a real effect it's just the idea that you are getting treatment. Remember that any benefits from stress reduction and mood change will also be felt by those taking a real treatment, which had a real effect.

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>>8251993
>A placebo effect is a combination of bias and illusion not a real effect.
>not a real effect.
>However they can provide a change in a person's mood and a reduction of stress.
Humans are machines. If something changed, it had an effect, whether the effect is strictly perceptual or if it spurred their physical machinery to actually enact a change in some way.

Please stop self contradicting.

>> No.8252003

>>8251972
/thread

People who say NoFap is just a placebo don't realize that they are saying that it actually does something.

>b-but muh psychology

>> No.8252010

>>8251999

Your belief has a limited effect on you.

If you have ADHD, you can get better from sugar pills, whipping your foot, and taking methyphenidate in the same way.

Only methyphenidate has a purported causative effect.

>>8252003
The burden of proof is on NoFap'ers.

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>>8252010
>Your belief has a limited effect on you.
Everything has limited effect on a given system. The nature of this limitation is what matters.

>Only methyphenidate has a purported causative effect.
Obviously not. Stop contradicting yourself.

>> No.8252020

>>8252012
>The nature of this limitation is what matters

Guess everything helps everybody. Next, you'll say that we can't know anything. Please troll harder.

>Obviously not. Stop contradicting yourself.
http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h5203.long

>> No.8252025

>>8252020
I'm not trolling, you're just unwilling to think mechanically. If you can force an emotional state, suppress an emotional state, deliberately offload emotional and cognitive elements, or achieve a certain manner of functionality through self delusion, it's very probable you're altering more than your perception. There's been vast research done on the deliberate creation and integration of false memories in particular, which yield functional effects.

Keep the study, it's not relevant.

>> No.8252116

>>8251985
>Anon, there's bad news
>You have butt cancer
>You contracted it from dicks

>> No.8252124

What worked? Look, stop drinking protein on our workfloor, buddy! !

>> No.8252131

>>8251972
>Therefor everyone should get sugar pills!

>> No.8252236

>>8251937
>>8252003
>People who say NoFap is just a placebo don't realize that they are saying that it actually does something.
Then tell me, what is no fap supposed to do? The only real reason I can see behind no fap is when you're some kind of porn/masturbation addict who has trouble getting boners/getting off. In that case I don't think anyone would say abstaining from all porn and fapping is a "placebo".
Of course there's also just doing it for fun. I myself love the arousal and sensitivity after not having fapped for a week.