What's /sci/'s opinion on race and IQ. If a link is found does that mean we can kill all shitskins and other inferiors?

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Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:07:17 2016 No.8180771 [DELETED]

What's /sci/'s opinion on race and IQ. If a link is found does that mean we can kill all shitskins and other inferiors?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:09:18 2016 No.8180777 >>8180771 >race >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:11:27 2016 No.8180779 >>8180777 > race is politics >>>/r/eddit >>8180771 You don't need to kill people just because they have low IQs.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:14:00 2016 No.8180782

>>8180779

"Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies ('races'), nor are the taxa of the standard anthropological 'racial' classifications breeding populations. The 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria. 'Race' denotes socially constructed units as a function of the incorrect usage of the term."

Keita; Kittles, Royal; Bonney, Furbert-Harris; Dunston, Rotimi (2004). "Conceptualizing human variation". Nature Genetics 36 (11 Suppl): S17–S20. doi:10.1038/ng1455. PMID 15507998.

"Race is a poor empirical description of the patterns of difference that we encounter within our species. The billions of humans alive today simply do not fit into neat and tidy biological boxes called races. Science has proven this conclusively. The concept of race (...) is not scientific and goes against what is known about our ever-changing and complex biological diversity."

Harrison, Guy (2010). Race and Reality. Amherst: Prometheus Books.

"Genetic studies have substantiated the absence of clear biological borders; thus the term "race" is rarely used in scientific terminology, either in biological anthropology and in human genetics. Race has no genetic or biological basis. Human beings do not fit the zoological definition of race. Race is not a biological category that is politically charged. It is a political category that has been disguised as a biological one."

Roberts, Dorothy (2011). Fatal Invention. London, New York: The New Press.

>>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:15:27 2016 No.8180785 >>8180782 sorry subspecies, because you know, we have different phenotypes and all that >>8180771 carry on OP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:15:45 2016 No.8180786 >>8180771 >>>/pol/ >>>/pol/ >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:16:49 2016 No.8180789 >>8180786 stop spamming shitposter

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:17:58 2016 No.8180790

>>8180785

>"Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies.."

>not structured into phylogenetic subspecies

>not... subspecies

Keita; Kittles, Royal; Bonney, Furbert-Harris; Dunston, Rotimi (2004). "Conceptualizing human variation". Nature Genetics 36 (11 Suppl): S17–S20. doi:10.1038/ng1455. PMID 15507998.

>>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:19:53 2016 No.8180791 >>8180789 >race >/sci/entific >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:20:22 2016 No.8180792 >>8180790 Sorry if what you're citing doesn't understand how genetics work, rest of the scientific community does. >>8180771 Where are you OP ? Do you wanna talk about this or not ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:21:51 2016 No.8180794 >>8180791 > populations don't share common traits and phenotypes learn biology 101 SJWtard. and meanwhile, stay in your illiterate cesspool >>>/r/eddit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:22:15 2016 No.8180797 Wrong board OP. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:23:09 2016 No.8180802 >>8180797 >>8180791 >>8180786 >>8180782 Go away dumbfuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:24:02 2016 No.8180803 >>8180771 You must have misclicked >>>/pol/

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:24:06 2016 No.8180804

>>8180794

>The 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria. 'Race' denotes socially constructed units as a function of the incorrect usage of the term.
Keita; Kittles, Royal; Bonney, Furbert-Harris; Dunston, Rotimi (2004). "Conceptualizing human variation". Nature Genetics 36 (11 Suppl): S17–S20. doi:10.1038/ng1455. PMID 15507998.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:24:27 2016 No.8180805 If they go, who's gonna do all the shitty work ? We need them OP

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:25:33 2016 No.8180810 >>8180804 > my single libtard citation redefines what genetics is no it doesn't back to >>>/r/eddit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:25:45 2016 No.8180811 You seem lost, OP. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:27:24 2016 No.8180814 >>8180811 nope sorry. it says pol is about politics, not genetics

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:27:39 2016 No.8180815 >>8180810 >hasn't provided any of his own sources >thinks calling something liberal destroys it's credibility >>>/pol/ did you skip biology class?

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:27:45 2016 No.8180817

>>8180771
There is a stronger link between IQ and cranial size/capacity than there is between IQ and race. As a result, it would make more sense to kill anyone under 6ft tall due to those with smaller skeletal structures typically having smaller craniums, and therefore smaller brains.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_and_intelligence

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:28:48 2016 No.8180820 >>8180815 > cites something that denies the statements of genetics > on a science board lost your way ? >>>/r/eddit

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Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:30:01 2016 No.8180823

>>8180810

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Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:31:12 2016 No.8180830 [DELETED]

>>8180823

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:31:17 2016 No.8180832 >>8180823 > cherrypicked links that fail to follow basic procedures of genetics > posts them on a science board the kek is real

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:32:00 2016 No.8180834 >>8180832 damn your pretty quick to have read through all those

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:33:09 2016 No.8180837 >>8180792 I want to to what will happen once we prove that dark people are inferior. We can't just let that information slide

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:33:44 2016 No.8180839

>>8180823

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• Graves, Joseph L. (2011). "Chapter 8: Evolutionary Versus Racial Medicine". In Krimsky, Sheldon; Sloan, Kathleen. Race and the Genetic Revolution: Science, Myth, and Culture. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0-231-52769-9. Retrieved 31 August 2013. Lay summary (31 August 2013).

• Haig, SM; Beever, EA; Chambers, SM; Draheim, HM; et al. (December 2006). "Taxonomic considerations in listing subspecies under the U.S. Endangered Species Act". Conservation Biology 20 (6): 1584–94. doi:10.1111/j.1523-1739.2006.00530.x. PMID 17181793.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:34:06 2016 No.8180840 >>8180834 > DNA testing doesn't exist and it can't clearly identify the ethnicity and ancestral roots of an individual lmao who are you trying to fool ? do you live in 1900s when we didn't have this technology ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:35:31 2016 No.8180845 >>8180837 he's denying the existence of DNA and genetic variations, I don't think populations are inferior or superior

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:36:06 2016 No.8180847

>>8180771
>If a link is found does that mean we can kill all shitskins and other inferiors?
Considering that whites qualify as "inferiors" compared to Asians, I'mma go with "lets not".

Seriously though, if IQ is your prime metric for Eugenics, just imagine what a world full of Chinese would look like.
Apparently we need more than just high IQ folks to build a decent world.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:36:56 2016 No.8180849

>>8180821
I mean if we're being honest here, heightism has far more scientific justification for action than racism.

Some white guy that's 5'4 is literally inferior in every way to a black guy that's 6'5. The white guy may have been afforded more opportunities via a better culture and upbringing so that he could express some intellectualism, but the studies show that had the black guy been raised properly, he would absolutely outclass the the smaller white person.

A big issue here may be that physically larger minorities are often goaded into doing sports once they completely outclass the competition in highschool rather than focusing on schoolwork.

It would be interesting to see further studies done on this subject, desu senpai.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:37:22 2016 No.8180850

>>8180839

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:37:46 2016 No.8180851 >>8180771 Is there a correlation between high IQ and NEETs who take internet IQ tests all day everyday? If a link is found does that mean we can kill all inferior non-NEETs?

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:39:42 2016 No.8180855

>>8180850

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Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:40:43 2016 No.8180857

>>8180855

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Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:40:44 2016 No.8180858

>>8180849
well, let me change my wording. Not show, but rather imply.

Cranial capacity is a far more important factor than race when it comes to being a predictor of IQ. And cranial capacity correlates far closer with height than it does with race. Ergo, we should kill all manlets.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:41:51 2016 No.8180863

>>8180857

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:42:34 2016 No.8180864 >>8180855 > racial oppression > slavery I'm sorry but all your links reek of political propaganda also they deny genetic evidence. I don't know why you would post them in a science board.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:44:51 2016 No.8180868 >>8180858 Bullshit, Asians are tiny and they have a high IQ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:47:18 2016 No.8180874 >>8180864 The human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race. Human 'races’ are tantamount to folk taxonomy and pseudoscience. This is a science board. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:48:41 2016 No.8180877 >>8180874 Yep it's a science board, the retards who call genetic data and DNA evidence as pseudoscience with zero evidence should stay out. >>>/r/eddit

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:49:40 2016 No.8180879

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Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:52:19 2016 No.8180886

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:52:23 2016 No.8180887 >>8180868 Thats due to culture moreso than biology. The taller asians are smarter than the smaller ones, all variables controlled.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:53:21 2016 No.8180890

>>8180886

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• Witherspoon, D. J.; Wooding, S.; Rogers, A. R.; Marchani, E. E.; Watkins, W. S.; Batzer, M. A.; Jorde, L. B. (2007). "Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations". Genetics 176 (1): 351–9. doi:10.1534/genetics.106.067355. PMC 1893020. PMID 17339205.

• Witzig, R (15 October 1996). "The medicalization of race: scientific legitimization of a flawed social construct.". Annals of Internal Medicine 125 (8): 675–9. doi:10.7326/0003-4819-125-8-199610150-00008. PMID 8849153.

• Wright, Sewall (1978). Evolution and the Genetics of Populations. 4, Variability Within and Among Natural Populations. Chicago, Illinois: Univ. Chicago Press. p. 438.

• von Vacano, Diego (2011). The Color of Citizenship: Race, Modernity and Latin American/Hispanic Political Thought. Oxford University Press.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 12:57:15 2016 No.8180896

>>8180771
The first why would anyone kill anyone? that simply doesn't make sense. My theory is that people who have killed are simply mentally misguided. We could live off vegetables and fishes in peaceful harmony for the rest of our lives but of course this won't happen. We are too deep in the mud unfortunately. So many people out there killing other people because of power and greed and pride...really not any different from the wilderness. i wonder when humans will learn to live in syntony with the strings of nature when this is perfectly possible and achievable and the best manner to live. Perhaps they should try to give quality information to the maximum ammount of people possible now, if they want to make things different in the future. But that's not going to happen anytime soon anyway. But i hope they will learn someday to love being what they are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:00:21 2016 No.8180901 >>8180877 Human genetic variation relating to specific genotypes and subsequent phenotypes does not permit racial classification, as the human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:01:26 2016 No.8180902 >>8180901 Subspecies not race

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:06:47 2016 No.8180912

>>8180902

Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies, nor are the taxa of the standard anthropological 'racial' classifications tantamount to breeding populations.

The human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race nor subspecies.

The term ‘race’ when applied to human populations is not a scientific term.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:07:48 2016 No.8180913 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:09:23 2016 No.8180917 >>8180912 > reading comprehension read the post again retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:11:42 2016 No.8180920 >>8180917 >Subspecies not race >Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:11:49 2016 No.8180921 >>8180917 Read his post again, retard. >The human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race nor subspecies.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:12:48 2016 No.8180923

If races exist, what is the criteria for separating those races?
With that established criteria, how do we determine race of a person when dealing with mixed people? What about people who are second, third, fourth, ..etc generation of a mix?
If things boil down to simply saying if someone "possesses a drop of neanderthal DNA they are white", does that mean someone who has ancestors who are primarily subsaharan despite having one white ancestor is now white? Is someone who has had a primarily white lineage in their family that has one black ancestor now black?
These traits from those single ancestors are still carried in their genes and can be expressed among any descendant in the form of things like nose shape, brow ridge, lip contour, skull shape, etc. while leaving the child looking otherwise like they belong to the racial group their skin color would suggest.
Pic related's son is an example. On first glance, many would assume he was pure white, had they not known Griffin, but upon closer inspection, the kid clearly has traits which are visible, such as nose shape and lip definition. These same traits, and some unexpressed ones can be easily expressed even if this kid goes on to have kids with another white woman like his mom.

This kind of mixing has been going on since human civilization sprung up and we had the spice trails in the middle east. We really cannot define race as a result.

We have some bloodlines which are more distant than others, but we dont have anything that can surefire classify a person as belonging to one race or another. Race is a social construct.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:13:21 2016 No.8180925 >>8180921 Explain with evidence that accounts for different pehotypes that certain populations carry. And use scientific data rather than your opinions

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:14:00 2016 No.8180926 File: 63 KB, 500x347, blake-griffin-and-son-ford-5-16-15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8180923 whoops forgot my pic

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:16:52 2016 No.8180927 >>8180923 What about DNA haplogroups?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:17:58 2016 No.8180929 >>8180927 More neonazi propaganda. they don't signify anything and has no basis in biology.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:19:46 2016 No.8180933

>>8180925

Geographic separation providing slightly different selection pressures, resulting in specific phenotypic traits being shared by populations living in similar environments over time.

The subsequent biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:21:36 2016 No.8180937 >>8180927 Again, that tells us who's more closely related to who but it doesn't tell us definitively what race a person is, especially in the sense of mixed people and their descendants.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:21:43 2016 No.8180939 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:23:45 2016 No.8180940 >>8180771 The way I see it anglo-saxons are only a notch above niggers, you can't ignore the large majority of inbred hillbilly fucks in the south disease ridden welfare ridden uneducated sister fucker that are your people

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:26:47 2016 No.8180944 >>8180923 what you eat, how and where you live play a role in these traits. Everything is playing a role.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:29:44 2016 No.8180947 I am an East Asian, but blessed with low intelligence. Such cases

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:31:11 2016 No.8180949 >>8180933 > The subsequent biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies. Again... explain with evidence how phenotypes are not a factor on determining subspecies.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:38:01 2016 No.8180962

>>8180944
What decides the degree to which what you eat and where you live plays those roles? Obviously someone born in Finland who decides to go down to the Congo and eat a Sweet Potato doesn't magically turn into a black person overnight. If they move their whole family down there and keep breeding with other Finns exclusively, they wont turn into black people either.

There isn't any way to properly define this. All we know is that people are different from each other due to genetic lineages. Some people are more closely related than others, but due to the fact that many of us in the world are mixed to varying extents and may have traits in our DNA which when expressed may be typical of a racial group we may not resemble otherwise, we simply cannot define whatever 'race' is from a biological standpoint.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:39:59 2016 No.8180965

The most pertinent scientific question to this thread is ‘why does racism exist?’

We are animals whose behaviour is governed by genetic and environmental programming, stored in the form of particular nucleotide arrangements and neural networks that correspond to our genetic code and an array of psychological mechanisms crafted by the evolutionary processes of natural selection.

These psychological mechanisms govern an array of behavioural programs, which developed in response to the adaptive problems humans faced throughout their evolutionary history.

Humans play host to an innate in-group/out-group mentality, which manifests itself in support for coalitional warfare and enthusiastic sectarianism spanning the totality of human society, from partisan politics to rival sports teams.

‘One of us’ vs ‘one of them’.

The available data indicates that not only do humans gravitate to such binary and simplistic classification, but that members of any given in-group are likely to view out-group members as sub-human and direct violence towards them.

• Quattrone, George A.; Jones, Edward E. (1980). "The perception of variability within in-groups and out-groups: Implications for the law of small numbers.". Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 38 (1): 141–152. doi:10.1037/0022-3514.38.1.141. ISSN 0022-3514.

• • Jackson, Lynne M. (2011). The Psychology of Prejudice: From Attitudes to Social Action. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association. pp. 110–112. ISBN 1-43380920-6.

• • L. Cosmides; J. Tooby; R. Kurzban (April 1, 2003). "Perceptions of race". Trends in Cognitive Sciences 7 (4): 173–179. doi:10.1016/S1364-6613(03)00057-3. PMID 12691766. Retrieved 16 July 2012.

• • L. A. Hirschfeld (1996). Race in the Making: Cognition, Culture, and the Child's Construction of Human Kinds. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Mit Press. ISBN 0-26208247-0. ISBN 978-0-26208247-1.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:41:00 2016 No.8180967

>>8180965

• • F. J. Gil-White (August–October 2001). "Are Ethnic Groups Biological "Species" to the Human Brain? Essentialism in Our Cognition of Some Social Categories". Current Anthropology (The University of Chicago Press) 42 (4): 515–553. doi:10.1086/321802. Retrieved 16 July 2012.

• • R. Kurzban; J. Tooby; L. Cosmides (December 18, 2001). "Can race be erased? Coalitional computation and social categorization". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 98 (26): 15387–15392. doi:10.1073/pnas.251541498. PMC 65039. PMID 11742078. Retrieved 16 July 2012.

• G. J. Lewis; T. C. Bates (November 2010). "Genetic Evidence for Multiple Biological Mechanisms Underlying In-Group Favoritism". Psychological Science 21 (11): 1623–1628. doi:10.1177/0956797610387439. PMID 20974715. Retrieved 16 July 2012.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:41:50 2016 No.8180971

>>8180929
I assume you're trolling.

>>8180937
Sure, but it's still a pretty good metric for gauging genetic lineage. The fixation index is another effective metric for gauging genetic distance.

The classification problem is more general than race as biologists still argue over how best to separate certain species from others. Would you say that the concept of a statosphere and a mesophere is incoherent because there's no clear cutoff between the two? Are labradors and poodles not distinct breeds just because labradoodles exist?

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:43:48 2016 No.8180975

>>8180949

The variation among human individuals is noticeable and follows a distinct pattern, however there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another.

Such clinal variation always indicates substantial gene flow among the apparently separate groups that make up the population.

Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species, even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious

• • International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, Art. 47

• • McNeill, J.; Barrie, F.R.; Buck, W.R.; Demoulin, V.; Greuter, W.; Hawksworth, D.L.; Herendeen, P.S.; Knapp, S.; Marhold, K.; Prado, J.; Prud'homme Van Reine, W.F.; Smith, G.F.; Wiersema, J.H.; Turland, N.J. (2012). International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants (Melbourne Code) adopted by the Eighteenth International Botanical Congress Melbourne, Australia, July 2011. Regnum Vegetabile 154. A.R.G. Gantner Verlag KG. ISBN 978-3-87429-425-6.

• Mayr, Ernst. Populations, Species, and Evolution: An Abridgment of Animal Species and Evolution.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:44:16 2016 No.8180976

why is this same fucking guy still making threads

he easily identifiable by his liberal use
>SJWtard
And
>>>/r/eddit
Followed by inane shitposting whenever someone contradicts him, until the thread is eventually deleted by jannies. it's not even /pol/ at this point. It's just a rabid shitposter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:47:04 2016 No.8180980 >>8180962 well there is also a little of chemical reactions involved in the process, but if you truly want to become black you can do it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:47:23 2016 No.8180981

>>8180971

‘Breed’ is not a scientific term.

Despite the centrality of the idea of ‘breeds’ to animal husbandry and agriculture, no single, scientifically accepted definition of the term exists.

A breed is therefore not an objective or biologically verifiable classification but is instead a term of art amongst groups of breeders who share a consensus around what qualities make some members of a given species members of a nameable subset.

• The state of the world's animal genetic resources for food and agriculture. Barbara Rischkowsky and Dafydd Pilling. Commission on Genetic Resources for Food and Agriculture. 2007

• The Genetics of Populations. Jay L Lush. Iowa State University Press. 1994

• Banga, Surinder S. (November 25, 1998). Hybrid Cultivar Development, p. 119. Springer-Verlag. ISBN 3-540-63523-8

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:47:57 2016 No.8180985

>>8180975
> however there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups
It depends where you draw the lines. Wavelengths also fade into each other but we classify them and call them different things. Just as humans are classified.
Also that doesn't explain how bone marrow transplants can only happen between specific races and a caucasian cannot get a bone marrow from an african and will die due to incompatibility.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:48:59 2016 No.8180987 >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:52:02 2016 No.8180997 File: 56 KB, 313x254, 1467039211326.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >/pol/tards and trolls incapable of discussing hard science and math topics are stuck posting shitty threads about psychometrics and sociology

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:53:54 2016 No.8181004

>>8180971
Labradors and poodles are distinct isolated lineages of dogs that are usually selectively bred to ensure certain traits show. Labradoodles are mixes that are usually brought about so people can go "oh a cool dog mix!" They typically are not bred beyond the initial generation or taken and then bred freely with dogs of other genetic lineages.
Humans are not bred in captivity, and our genes are all over the place across the world. Historically, there was isolation to some extent given natural dividers such as mountains or oceans, but due to commerce mankind's isolation was nowhere near the level of a dog's.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:54:42 2016 No.8181007

>>8180985

>Wavelengths also fade into each other but we classify them and call them different things. Just as humans are classified.

Irrelevant to the subject in question; humans are not classified by their manner of oscillation.

>that doesn't explain how bone marrow transplants can only happen between specific races and a caucasian cannot get a bone marrow from an african and will die due to incompatibility.

The majority of ‘Caucasian’ people cannot receive a bone marrow from other ‘Caucasian’ people, therefore attempting to classify a ‘race’ based on ability to share marrow would result in an absurd number of races, that typically have no significant relevance to phenotypic traits.

Your logical is primitive and wholly fallible, just as you have proven yourself uneducated in relation to genetics and evolutionary biology.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:55:06 2016 No.8181008 File: 10 KB, 441x408, 1310408064982[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8180997 > if I spam SJWtarded posts more maybe people will stop talking about genetics

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:55:33 2016 No.8181009 >>8180980 :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:58:12 2016 No.8181013 >>8181008 >Implying you're any better than SJWtards At least they admit they don't understand science.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:01:04 2016 No.8181018

>>8181008

You have displayed your scientific inadequacy pertinent to not only genetics, but biology in general.

You have not once provided evidence for any of your claims and have been refuted numerous times with posts supported by evidence.

You are an inferior specimen in relation to intelligence and scientific awareness.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:01:23 2016 No.8181019

>>8180985
Thats because of genetic distance between two individuals. Not because of any specifics particular of race. Typically the average Caucasian and African are separated enough to where bone marrow transplant can be fatal, but what if we have an event where a mixed person from having the potential to offer a white person bone marrow? And if that mixed person can, what if they have a kid with another African person, and their kid can still give bone marrow to a white person? What if their kids keep having kids with more and more Africans, but they retain the ability to offer bone marrow to Caucasians?

These people could clearly look and be identifiable as black in every sense, but could we still classify them as black if they could offer bone marrow to whites?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:02:32 2016 No.8181022 >>8181018 Evidence for what ? You only said you can't draw these lines there because it hurts my feelings, where as people draw the line anywhere they like. using big words don't make you appear smart kid

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:03:37 2016 No.8181025 >>8181019 Anon, this argument has already been addressed. >The majority of ‘Caucasian’ people cannot receive a bone marrow from other ‘Caucasian’ people Therefore, the ability to share bone marrow cannot be used to classify ‘race’.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:05:25 2016 No.8181028 >>8181025 Then get a bone marrow transplant from someone with a different race and die in pain lol. I'm sick of you retards denying everything science brings on the table.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:07:15 2016 No.8181033 >>8180981 Individual dogs can be identified to specific breeds 99% of the time using their microsatellite genotypes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15155949

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:07:58 2016 No.8181035

>>8181007
lmao you're attacking the basic premise of drawing these lines. You're just scrambling classifications that are there for a reason and telling people that you can't classify them without explaining anything.

By your definitions, red, blue and green colors have no physical basis and they are just social constructs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:08:16 2016 No.8181036 >>8181025 I know. I was throwing out a hypothetical for the other anon wherein someone of a different race was able to be the bone marrow donor.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:08:58 2016 No.8181037

>>8181022

Evidence for human racial classification being scientifically unfounded has been provided throughout the thread.

The variation among human individuals is noticeable and follows a distinct pattern, however there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another.

Such clinal variation always indicates substantial gene flow among the apparently separate groups that make up the population.

Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species, even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious

• • International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, Art. 47

• • McNeill, J.; Barrie, F.R.; Buck, W.R.; Demoulin, V.; Greuter, W.; Hawksworth, D.L.; Herendeen, P.S.; Knapp, S.; Marhold, K.; Prado, J.; Prud'homme Van Reine, W.F.; Smith, G.F.; Wiersema, J.H.; Turland, N.J. (2012). International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants (Melbourne Code) adopted by the Eighteenth International Botanical Congress Melbourne, Australia, July 2011. Regnum Vegetabile 154. A.R.G. Gantner Verlag KG. ISBN 978-3-87429-425-6.

• Mayr, Ernst. Populations, Species, and Evolution: An Abridgment of Animal Species and Evolution.

>big words

Scientific terms necessary for the description of phenomena described within a particular paradigm?

'Big words' have to be used and you'll have to learn them if you ever want to understand anything about genetics, or science in general.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:10:06 2016 No.8181043 >>8181035 We have definite logical criteria for defining wavelength. We don't have definite logical criteria for defining race. It's really that simple.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:13:55 2016 No.8181051 >>8181004 Human populations have still been isolated from other populations for tens of thousands of years, potentially accumulating many genetic variations and traits. Sub Saharan Africans diverged more than 100k years ago.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:14:02 2016 No.8181052

>>8181043
No we don't. We label specific wavelengths as we could have done differently and none of the things you call red are actually "red", and they always shift to another side.

Do you think the existence of the spectrum between blue and red magically remove the labels "blue" and "red" ? Doy ou go out on the street and correct people when they name colors and say "uuuhh you can't really call this red because its not based on a logical criteria." I hope you are not that passionately retarded and just here to do a science denying propaganda.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:14:42 2016 No.8181053

>>8181028
Not him but I'm not sure what is your point aside from trying to wave your dick. He did say most Caucasians cant even get bone marrow transplants from other Caucasians, so trying to use that as a metric for race is pretty weak. Of course getting a bone marrow transplant from another race will kill you as well but when getting bone marrow from some whites give the same effect, then its moot point to use that as a definition for race.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:15:50 2016 No.8181059

>>8181035

>you're attacking the basic premise of drawing these lines.

I posted the classifications and commented on them in a supportive manner.

The classifications contradict your beliefs.

Humans cannot be classified into subspecies as:

The variation among individuals is noticeable and follows a pattern, but there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another.

Such clinal variation always indicates substantial gene flow among the apparently separate groups that make up the population.

Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species, even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious.

>By your definitions, red, blue and green colors have no physical basis and they are just social constructs.

Colours correspond to differences in wavelengths and therefore have a physical basis.

You have yet again proven your ignorance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:18:41 2016 No.8181065 >>8181059 Are you telling me that you can't make the distinction between an asian and indian and actually think they "fade imperceptibly into one another" ? Did they drop you on your head when you were a baby ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:18:44 2016 No.8181066 >>8180771 there's a stronger link between prejudice and IQ than there is between race and IQ now go back to >>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:19:09 2016 No.8181068 >>8181035 Lmao, /pol/tards everyone It was only a matter of time until they got destroyed

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:19:56 2016 No.8181070 >>8181068 > I want everyone to know that im retarded well we knew that

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:20:54 2016 No.8181073

>>8181052

What humans call 'red' is light with a wavelength between 620 and 740 nanometers.

We have a scientific definition for the colour red and physical basis for the classification of colours as being defined by wavelength.

We do not have a scientific basis for the classification of humans into subspecies.

It's that simple.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:23:07 2016 No.8181080 >>8181073 And you have a scientific definition based on your ancestoral percentage of ethnicity that classifies you into a certain label. It's that simple.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:23:14 2016 No.8181082

>>8181065

>Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species, even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious.

>even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious.

You failed to understand the post.

>>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:24:38 2016 No.8181088 >>8181080 >And you have a scientific definition based on your ancestoral percentage of ethnicity that classifies you into a certain label. This is simply not true and this has been shown throughout the thread. You have failed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:25:33 2016 No.8181089 >>8181088 >you have failed Not an argument SJWtard

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:25:45 2016 No.8181091

>>8181082
So you really can't make the distinction between an asian and an indian ? Do you just stare in awe while drooling to watch the genetic mixture of an individual without knowing their dominant racial background ?
How fucking retarded are you ? I'm honestly asking.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:26:54 2016 No.8181094 >>8181091 you've gotta be baiting

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:27:04 2016 No.8181096 >>8181088 > this has been shown throughout the thread. You need evidence, not opinions. Sorry if you can't tell between a black guy and a white guy. You're just a special kind of retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:28:23 2016 No.8181098 >>8181096 According to you science is an opinion.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:29:23 2016 No.8181099

>>8181094
It's amusing how not only you failed to provide a single evidence but you're too fucking scared to even answer basic question. Do you go through the same ordeal when a black guy says he is black ? Do you stop him and explain how he isn't black and "black" doesn't exist because his race fades imperceptibly into one another ?

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:30:44 2016 No.8181103

I don't think there is any evidence or convincing reason to believe different races have / should have developed different genetic disposition to higher intelligence.
I think it is trivially possible to explain why any race "could have" been selected for higher intelligence. And I don't believe correlation with race, given different histories, necessitates causal relationship with genetic differences.

I believe we

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:32:17 2016 No.8181104 File: 119 KB, 410x500, 1461137173553.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8181103 >I believe we are you going to add on to this or did you just die or something?

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:35:27 2016 No.8181110

>>8181052
No you idiot. We have specific logical measures for divisions in color. The label is irrelevant. We don't have such measures which allow for distinction of race. What we end up with are measures of genetic distances. Which gets muddied when mixed race people are looked at considering people can carry genes which may not be shown in one generation and then appear in the next.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:35:44 2016 No.8181111

>>8181099
I don't think anyone has been arguing that to begin with. You're thinking way too hard about the whole wavelength thing and its kind of cringy man.

I'm starting to think that some other group is framing /pol/ so /pol/ seems as retarded as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:37:01 2016 No.8181116 >>8181111 This is exactly what is happening. /pol/ isn't nearly this retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:37:20 2016 No.8181117 >>8181111 > u-uuhhh pol !!!!11! Just as expected, and I don't visit pol, I just love making fun of peoples self-righteous autism on this board. Nice job avoiding the question again btw ;)

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:37:55 2016 No.8181120

>>8181099

I would happily tell a 'black person' that they do not belong to a biological subspecies, nor race.

I would advise you to learn a little bit about genetics before posting a thread on biological classification.

Also, please see...

Confirmation bias:

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Disconfirmation bias:

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Disconfirmation_bias

Dunning-Kruger effect:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:39:03 2016 No.8181123 >>8181091 You need to reread the post, retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:39:07 2016 No.8181124 >>8181117 >oh shit somone is framing is framing /pol/ >why u hating on /pol/ tho ur havin too much of a giggle u cheeky lil kunt

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:39:33 2016 No.8181125 >>8181120 > would happily tell a 'black person' that they do not belong to a biological subspecies, nor race. oh please do. I wanna get your ass righteously kicked so bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:41:02 2016 No.8181127 >>8181124 > I dont like things so I call them pol how to instantly lose any argument

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:44:08 2016 No.8181134 File: 262 KB, 651x1600, 397.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8181117

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:44:18 2016 No.8181135 >>8181127 >Saying that someone is trying to frame /pol/ to incite some sort of inter-board fight is hating /pol/ I browse /pol/ dumbass, no one goes on and on about race threads there anymore other than some kids. Also, what argument? (^;

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:45:44 2016 No.8181139 >>8181134 > and now I'll avoid answering questions with memes bed time for you kid

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:46:47 2016 No.8181141 >>8181139 >Responds in memetext to bitch about memes and science Pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:47:56 2016 No.8181144 >>8181080 What is that percentage?

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:48:38 2016 No.8181148

>>8181135
Well I only browsed /pol/ on brexit day and I didn't stick around too much for obvious reasons, but it's amusing how sjwtards cling on to calling people pol like its their last hope of trying not to look like a total retard, which ironically does the opposite

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:51:32 2016 No.8181153 >>8181139 sorry no I just got here you're thinking of someone else

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:54:39 2016 No.8181159 >>8181148 It is funny. However the converse is true as well. Calling someone an SJW when there's no reason to makes one look like a total retard as well.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 15:03:07 2016 No.8181176

>>8181120
reading rationalwiki right now

>"... A black swan is that million-to-one chance that statisticians said would never happen because it was a million-to-one chance.
>Of course, million-to-one chances happen 9 times out of 10."

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