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Why are so many people majoring in CS? Won't 80% just be code monkeys?

I don fully understand this meme.
I'm about to start uni, and computer engineering seemed neat but after talking with a lot of people they said it was actually very boring, and so is CS.

I might just say fuck it and go into math and physics

>> No.8108749

I'm studying CS and it seems most of my schoolmates are in CS because they like videogames or because they want to get into web development. It's kinda sad really.

>> No.8108774

>>8108723
CS grad student now, I wish I had majored in physics for my undergrad. Seems much easier to pick up CS concepts than the other way around.

>> No.8108776

>>8108723
Code monkeys make around 30-40k a year. That's better than average.

I hate to break it to you but most people who go to school are just looking to get jobs. Not everyone is going to be the next Elon Musk or Gates.

>> No.8109000

>I'm about to start uni, and computer engineering seemed neat but after talking with a lot of people they said it was actually very boring,
It's not for everyone. If you don't like it, you don't like it.
>and so is CS.
CE split from CS in the 70s. And they took all the interesting parts with them.
A CS degree is essentially a watered down math degree that also says you can code.

>I might just say fuck it and go into math and physics
If you don't like CE, then this is the correct decision.

>>8108749
I've had only the same experiences.
A lot of people obsessed with VR or AI who clearly never tried to read a book on either, too.

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8109006

>>8108723
Because most people are retarded and even a retard can major in CS.

>> No.8109271

>>8108749
Not a cs student but I've gotten to know a few cs students in my uni and it seems like 90% of them barely even touched a computer before enrolling in cs, simply because they heard it was "the degree of the present and future"

>> No.8109284

I'm going for CS because I'm not interested in anything and want to die and was supposed to go to college.


Should I do CE?

>> No.8109303

>>8109284
>I'm not interested in anything and want to die

Then get a fucking job

>> No.8109320

>>8109303
That's why I'm going to college, so I can get a job.

It's not like I have bad grades or anything.

>> No.8109330

>>8108774
try programming math problems ;) it will get much much harder :)

>> No.8109332

>>8108776
I realize I am not likely to become some world-famous inventor, but I would still like a career where I can contribute to the future somehow.


What are the top-end jobs within computer engineering and CS?

>> No.8109338

>>8109332
xD well you can create compilers, make new concepts in CS, you can do many math problems, and find a solution for them
If you want to go to the indrustry my suggestion is that you learn UML and became softwere engineer not some dumb fuck who writtes code. You can contribute to many fields of life, medicine, physics, mathematics, i think in everything there is somekind of pattern so its computable ;)

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8109453

>>8109320
Degrees aren't RPG items you need to trigger the employability flag. Just get a job.

>> No.8109910

>>8109000
I don't know about AI but machine learning is extremely interesting for CE, in control and DSP, machine learning and specifically neural networks are going to make a lot of waves soon.

>> No.8109920

>>8109338
>>softwere engineer is better than CS
At least CS gets some Mathematics in good universities.

Look at any tech company, do you see software engineers anywhere? No, not even in mid management or even low tier employee.

The real choice for people who want to work with computer related technologies is Computer engineering, be it signal processing, machine learning, processor design, FPGA, or simple code monkeying.

>> No.8109930

CS master race. Now doing a MSc in Machine Learning at a top 10 university after graduating first in my undergraduate cohort. I'm a wrecking ball

>> No.8109932

>>8109320
>>8109453
>implying degrees mean anything now
>assuming you get the job with a degree

>> No.8109957

>>8108723

It has good marketability. All of my friends in Physics are coding for research purposes or interning somewhere where coding is necessary for the job. I see no issue with having any education in programming. I think it's fantastic for our society in general, that so many people are willing to invest their time in studying these things. However, I know that organizations / institutions have been pushing this idea that the CS industry is at a candidate deficit and needs more in the pool. While this may be true currently, with the growing trend of CS students... I worry that at some point the market will be incredibly saturated. Moreso than has ever been seen before in any other industry. Resulting in discouraged programmers, with great ability, not getting jobs. I can only hope that when this comes it will inspire new industries instead of stagnation.

>> No.8109963

>>8109957
>CS is about teaching you how to program
i love it when idiots try to put forward socio-economic theories based on stupid premises

>> No.8109974

>>8109963
>CS is about teaching you how to program

Clarify then. So you're claiming that no aspect of CS curriculum in universities teaches programming... or that CS isn't just programming?

>> No.8109990

>>8109974
CS is way too broad to get saturated in the near future given the current context of technological progress. CS is not focused on teaching you to program, that's just a tool that you typically use to help you accomplish your goals. The market of software engineers/web developers is just a subset of the market of CS -- you can go into robotics, computer vision, machine learning, statistics, cyber-security, real-time systems, embedded systems, etc. The idea of discouraging others to go into CS because there are too many programmers is just silly

>> No.8109993

>>8109990
>robotics, computer vision, machine learning, statistics, cyber-security, real-time systems, embedded systems, etc.

Not to be pedantic, but how many of these areas require programming?

>> No.8109995

>>8109993
All? They all require maths as well. Coding is popular modern tool to accomplish techy stuff

>> No.8110006

>>8109963
>>8109995

So CS is a degree that doesn't teach programming, but teaches programming?

>> No.8110019

>>8110006
i said cs is not about teaching you how to program, not that it doesn't teach you how to program. EE, maths, stats and others teach you how to program too fuck off

>> No.8110038

ITT: NEETs and high-schoolers spout their mouths off about things they have little knowledge of and zero experience with.

No wonder Trump is 4chan's favorite candidate, he's a posturing blowhard just like you loser faggots.

>> No.8110052

>>8108749
I can vouch for this as accurate. My roommate even dropped out of CS recently because he realized it wasn't making video games. He is now majoring in Japanese. He eats a lot and his only shoe wear is sandals, if this paints a better picture.

>> No.8110053

>>8110052
sounds like he's probably browsing 4chan too

>> No.8110057

>>8110053

As far as I know he only uses reddit. He does seem like the type to browse /v/ or /vg/

>> No.8110122

>>8108723
Sure, many will be just code monkeys, although statistics seems to be that many end up on good jobs. I personally like academia and research. My college is actually researching novel machine learning techniques, and I hope I can join them on that research. Some of us actually want to help the field progress.

>> No.8110130

>>8110122
>My college is actually researching novel machine learning techniques
What college?

>> No.8110134

>>8109932
>>8109453
do you retards really think that getting a college degree is completely useless if someone is trying to get a decent job ?

>> No.8110183

>>8109453
Actually a lot of HR departments have automated systems that do exactly that.

>> No.8110196

>>8110183
I've heard this before, but is there any actual proof this exists and is used?

>> No.8110262

>>8110196
Are you people completely disconnected from reality? HR departments in intel a d microspft will TELL you there's filtering according to majors and listed skills, jesus fucking christ

>> No.8110264

>>8110262
there were at least several engineers without degrees in microsoft when i worked there

>> No.8110270

>>8110264
The market today is not what it used to be, today companies can afford to be picky about who to hire, and it leads to this filtering.

>> No.8110273

>>8109920
>Look at any tech company, do you see software engineers anywhere? No, not even in mid management or even low tier employee.

What the fuck are you talking about?