/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.8079187]

If you're smart, anon. Why don't you study at :
>MIT
>Harvard
>Oxford
>Cambridge
>CalTech
>Princeton

[Anonymous No.8079196]

>>8079187
I'm so smart, I don't need to study. I went straight into research.

[Anonymous No.8079197]

people come to /sci/ not because they are smart, but because they wanna feel smart.

[Anonymous No.8079199]

>>8079187
I'm even smarter than you think. That's why I study at a better school, and get this: for free.

[Anonymous No.8079202]

>>8079196
Pics?

[Anonymous No.8079203]

>>8079187
>not being smart enough to forgo all effort and meaningless achievements
>not being smart enough to immediately ascend to neethood
>the year of our LORD 2000+2^4

[Anonymous No.8079204]

>>8079187
Mostly because I'm not black, hispanic, muslim, jewish, or any other minority that gets preferential treatment in the admissions processes at these universities. And while I'm not going to say I'm a genius, because I most certainly am not, it just pisses me off when kids at my school who get worse grades and test scores than me in every single subject still get accepted to these schools simply because they get to take advantage of affirmative action.

[Anonymous No.8079206]

>>8079187
>If you're smart, anon. Why don't you study at
>MIT
>Harvard
>Oxford
>Cambridge
>CalTech
>Princeton

But I do

[Anonymous No.8079208]

I got offered a job by a company to do maths for them and they paid a lot so I did that because fuck all that debt to end up probably doing a worse job anyway lol

[Anonymous No.8079210]

>>8079187
Honestly, my highschool grades were certainly not enough to get into such prestigious schools.

Second, I did not want to travel. Life is already easy here, why risk starting another life somewhere else that might not be as easy.

[Anonymous No.8079214]

>>8079204
You need to do a lot, not only good grades.
You can be easily accepted if you won an international competition like IMO (International mathematics olympiad)

[Anonymous No.8079217]

>>8079206
What do you study ?

[Anonymous No.8079220]

>>8079217
Natural Sciences

>>8079204
Everyone has good grades, they are a necessary but not sufficient criterion for entry.

[Anonymous No.8079222]

>>8079187
D-d-does Columbia belong with the ranks of these giants?

Has second largest number of Nobel Prizes according to Wikipeidia

[Anonymous No.8079225]

>>8079222
Sure.

What do you study ?

[Anonymous No.8079228]

>>8079225
Physics

[Anonymous No.8079230]

>>8079187
Expensive, and the only benefit is meeting useful people.

I'm not in that weird niche where I have lots of money but want to be an entrepreneur.

[Anonymous No.8079233]

>>8079220
>Natural Sciences
Nice.
>>8079228
Also, nice.
>>8079230
Good luck !

[Anonymous No.8079234]

>>8079230
The Ivies give so much financial aid, it's not even funny. Stop blaming artificial boundaries for your failures

[Anonymous No.8079238]

>>8079230
>Expensive
Not even. These schools cut costs like crazy for anyone who isn't absurdly wealthy. This is the flimsiest excuse and it annoys me.

[Anonymous No.8079245]

>>8079187
I'm at Berkeley for MechE, better than all but MIT on that list.

[Anonymous No.8079248]

>>8079245
>berkeley is better than cambridge for engineering
top kek

[Anonymous No.8079252]

Meh. Going to any of those places would certainly be nice, but not strictly necessary to succeed in any given field. I'm currently going to Rice University, and I should be able to do just fine once I graduate.

[Anonymous No.8079263]

>>8079187
I didn't apply because I want personal educational attention in my undergrad rather than rampant competition. My school will give me a better chance of getting into an Ivy for grad school than an Ivy will.

[Anonymous No.8079276]

>>8079263
>personal educational attention
You do oxford and cambridge colleges will have like 10-15 students per year per subject max, right?

And you get several supervisions weekly with your lecturers in one on one or 2/3 sessions.

Your excuses don't apply.

[Anonymous No.8079283]

Because I'm still in high school

[Anonymous No.8079292]

>MIT
Too many autists

>Harvard
Ivy League is a sports league, it has nothing to do with education value.
See "harvard cheating scandal" for more info.

>Oxford
Same as harvard.

>Cambridge
Because the UK doesn't teach Epistemology or Empiricism, which is UK Nobel winners never contribute to anything.

>CalTech
Because it's a playground for companies wishing to waste their education.

>Princeton
Only Princeton Law has any meaning.
No one goes to Princeton for STEM.

[Anonymous No.8079306]

>>8079206
>St John's

[Anonymous No.8079317]

>>8079306
>being poor

[Anonymous No.8079319]

>>8079292
Did you forget a /s for Princeton?

Princeton has no law school and its STEm graduate programs are the top of the world

[Anonymous No.8079321]

I easily had the grades for Oxbrimperial but went to my local university without thinking and regret it massively.

4chan is fucking retarded when it comes to this topic.

>hurrdurr ivies are shit for STEM

So why did mochizuki go to Princeton for undergrad? And Terence Tao for his PhD? And ten trillion other examples?

>hurrdurr my state school is just as good for STEM
>USAToday ranks South-North Alabama Technical Community College's Code Monkey Studies course as the #22 ranked course in the country for graduates who go in to IT Help desk roles

Yeah......... Very impressive....

>the courses are the same
>99 % of sci talks about Calc 1-3
>MIT does it (and more) in two courses
>Caltech and the British universities make you do proofs from day one

Among many other factors

[Anonymous No.8079323]

>>8079317
Trinity master race you sub human waste of space

[Anonymous No.8079326]

>>8079321
>hurrdurr ivies are shit for STEM
they're shit for STE

[Anonymous No.8079327]

>>8079323
>trinity
top kek, enjoy your college full of asians, autists and 0 attractive women

tripos/year?

[Anonymous No.8079331]

>>8079321
If you were actually smart enough, you would've made the decision to go there

[Anonymous No.8079332]

>>8079187
I had no real ECs in highschool.

My 4.0 and 98% test scores wouldn't have gotten me in.

Also, I don't really care. I'm not motivated enough to succeed at a rigorous university.

[Anonymous No.8079333]

>>8079321
>Oxbrimperial
this is not a thing

[Anonymous No.8079335]

because I'm not smart
:(

[Anonymous No.8079342]

>>8079323
>tfw my college is named after Trinity College at Cambridge
>I will never not have to explain that no, it's not THE Trinity

[Anonymous No.8079351]

>Go to top school where they throw work at you just to look tough causing burnout
>vs
>Go to no-name school, pass with time to fuck bitches and then do PhD at top school which is when university prestige actually matters.
There was this google presentation that said generations of gifted students are being screwed up because they always apply for top schools where they just end up getting depressed at being mediocre and failing.

[Anonymous No.8079354]

>>8079197
Nah, i want to be on /b/, but on campus Id rather not be scrolling past all of the cancer and porn threads, so i go here or /ck/ or /v/

[Anonymous No.8079356]

I'm smart but lazy

[Anonymous No.8079357]

Because I went to Stanford since they offered me free tuition.

[Anonymous No.8079365]

>>8079187
>Why don't you study at :
cost.
not a minority so my 4.0 and perfect ACT didn't mean shit.
went to a free college instead.

[Anonymous No.8079385]

>>8079365
Why do people keep saying that? Ivies and other top-ranked schools give 100% need-blind financial aid

[Anonymous No.8079398]

>>8079263
>I want personal educational attention

bfy tw/5nFX

[Anonymous No.8079400]

>>8079321
what grades? 3 A*'s? in further maths too? you sure you'd have passed the interviews too? you definitely 100% on that? you definitely good enough to pass the entrance exams, right? this all true mate?

[Anonymous No.8079407]

>>8079187
>tfw I could have got in to oxford but didn't believe in myself enough to apply

>tfw I was predicted BBB

>tfw I got AAAA

[Anonymous No.8079409]

>>8079187
>>8079187
>Includes Harvard, MIT, Princeton and Caltech but not Stanford

pic is comparison between stanford and harvard donors

[Anonymous No.8079414]

>>8079407
>AAAA
You do realise that is a *minimum* requirement right? Loads of people get 4A or better and still don't get in.

What matters is how you do in the interview and the entrance tests. Go do some STEP papers and see how you get on

[Anonymous No.8079419]

>>8079187
I wouldn't get in. Even if I could, I still wouldn't have gone because of costs of travelling, distance away from home etc. It doesn't help I'm from Canada. I possibly would've made it into Waterloo but I didn't try because at the end of highschool all the adults in my life were telling me "it doesn't matter what school you go to, go to the cheapest one that's also closest to home."

[Anonymous No.8079421]

>>8079414
I got an A in AS too btw,
So
A2: A A A A (Chem, Bio, Phys, Maths)
AS: A (English and a B in General [lel])
and considering I'm an underprivileged working class lad should be a free ride :^)

[Anonymous No.8079424]

>>8079421
0 A* and you think you are oxbridge material?

You would get destroyed at interview

[Anonymous No.8079425]

>>8079206
Any advice for someone that's hoping to apply this year?

[Anonymous No.8079428]

>>8079421
what were your GCSEs

[Anonymous No.8079431]

>>8079187
but I study at Imperial and have a job offer at a bulge bracket investment bank

[Anonymous No.8079433]

>>8079354
This so fucking much!!

/sci/ ain't nothing but a last resort

[Anonymous No.8079434]

>>8079428
Lel pretty shite, all 9As, 4Bs, something like that I can't remember

[Anonymous No.8079437]

>>8079424
Sure thing... You realise it's A*AA for 3 A levels and around AAAA for 4?

[Anonymous No.8079440]

>>8079208
sounds fucking sweet

[Anonymous No.8079442]

>>8079434
>not having 10 A* at GCSE
>thinks hes oxbridge material

[Anonymous No.8079449]

>>8079442
achtually i'll think you find that oxford like to see an improvement from GSCE to ALevel, my results show i went from little acorn to beautiful oak

[Anonymous No.8079451]

>>8079437
Again, that is a minimum requirement. Considering only the top 3 grades (as they do on admission statistics), the average student accepted to Cambridge has at least 3A*.

http://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/publications/undergrad_admissions_statistics_2014_cycle.pdf

You aren't as clever as you think you are

[Anonymous No.8079452]

>>8079449
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395440/A-Level-results-Student-7-A-s-heads-Stanford-REJECTED-Oxford-University.html

[Anonymous No.8079463]

Because I am a postdoc, not a student.

[Anonymous No.8079465]

>>8079437
They publish using the top 3 a level grades received.

Your best 3 grades = AAA
Number of students in Cambridge who got 3A or worse = 2.7%

Of the 2103 applicants who achieved 3A in their best 3 A levels Cambridge accepted 112.

Presumably they were shit hot in their admissions tests.

Do you seriously think you are oxbridge material?

[Anonymous No.8079469]

>>8079409

>stat goes up to 2006

[Anonymous No.8079472]

>>8079465
lol I am a fuckwit and didn't read it right, the numbers are worse:

1,407 applications, 66 got places. That is an acceptance rate of 4.7% for students applying to cambridge with your grades.

[Anonymous No.8079477]

>>8079472
desu mate, this is assuming the AAA has the same acceptance rate as AAAA, which is probably not true, I can almost guarantee that if the data was split you'd see a a difference.

That being said, I'd rather be a big fish (currently the top 5 in my degree at my uni) in a small pond, than a little fish in a big pond

[Anonymous No.8079484]

>>8079477
60% of students got 3A* at least, if not higher. 4A is not an achievement bro

Also most people I know here did 4+ A levels, most got 3+ A*

[Anonymous No.8079485]

>>8079440
it's just backroom equation pushing for Lloyd's, no swanky london millionaire dream, but it's definitely solid work, especially since starting on £40k +bonus (I know that's actually relatively low but it's just the maximum starting salary they could put me on, it'll rise in a year's time, or so I'm told) straight out of school is living the fucking dream for all I care

[Anonymous No.8079490]

>>8079485
silicon valley intern salary is $100K/year USD (70K GBP)

UK salaries BTFO

[Anonymous No.8079498]

>>8079442
>>8079449
shit gcse's:
3A*,5A,B,2C

as:
4A

got an offer (A*A*A) for the summer do maths and philosophy next year.

and my maths UMS was shit-tear (compared to full-ums fags)

and i didnt have further maths as / wont have further maths a level at the end of the year

oxford clearly dont give a shit about grades compared to cambridge. they have a Maths Aptitude Test which they use a lot though

[Anonymous No.8079502]

>>8079498
Good luck mate, try hard ;^)

It's not the end of the world if you don't get in Senpai

[Miniature Spacecraft No.8079507]

>>8079187

They are meme universities (minus MIT).

[Anonymous No.8079522]

>>8079502
haha thanks m80, ive got a decent insurance offer. tbch im not really obsessed with the place, but for some reason i think people around me will think im such a pseudy prick if i dont get in. like "haha showed that smug bastard".

is all of science and art just a bunch of lonely losers trying to prove they're smart or is that just me?

[Anonymous No.8079525]

>>8079522
Tbh I think some of the appeal for science is that people automatically assume you're smart for doing it

[Anonymous No.8079541]

>>8079187
mfw dutch mbo4 cuck doing web dev because i fucked up art class so couldn't do havo . end life when ?

[Anonymous No.8079547]

>>8079490

factor in cost of living expense in cali and it'll work out about the same

[Anonymous No.8079570]

>>8079547
you can still make a lot of money in SV if you know how to spend your money wisely

Source: poorfag that grew up in the bay area

[Anonymous No.8079620]

>>8079525
which we are.

nice try liberal arts major

[Anonymous No.8079645]

>>8079541
There but for the grace of Allah, go I. It's astounding to me that dutch schools allow arts and crafts and sports class to affect people's futures like that.

[Anonymous No.8079647]

>Caring about what instittute you go to and not learning from the internet

LMAO, enjoy your debt, oh you're going to waste 4 years learning something you can learn in 1-2 years???

LMAO

You do things for money?? LMAO

PLEBS, PLEBS, PLEBS

[Anonymous No.8079653]

>MIT
>CalTech
too expensive. not sure if i would have gotten in

>Harvard
>Oxford
>Cambridge
>Princeton
my cheap state school is better than them in my field (ECE)

[Anonymous No.8079735]

>>8079653
>my cheap state school is better than them in my field (ECE)
Well memed

[Anonymous No.8079754]

>>8079187
1- they are expensive, if my family had the financial resources to spare I would consider it

2- they are filled to the brim with narcissists and delusional people who think they're special and are completely self-absorbed, why go somewhere where you will be surrounded by assholes? Isnt the point of life to enjoy yourself? If I wanted an 80hr week in a cuthroat bussiness with lots of money and no life, maybe I would go there

3- they are memes. you can get a good education or even a better one in other good universities. The only reason to go is to a) get name brand name (which is important) b) get high quality connections with smart children of rich people, that helps a lot

4- its your life. its your choice how you live it. what if you just want a different experience? Must everyone want to go to the most famous universities and towns? That fame on its own is a downside, in that people, and the institution itself, become self delusional. I want to go to a good place that is focused on the topic of interest itself. Not in one where the focus is in staring in a mirror

[Anonymous No.8079776]

This wasn't really the plan, but it has turned out pretty nicely for me now that I realised I'm not a brainlet, and should have had the confidence to pursue better things:

I went to a top 10 uk uni for maths, planning on applying to Cambridge for part III of the tripos; grades going very well at this uni and it means I have much less stress and a lot more fun as an undergrad compared to my oxbridge friends.

It's much easier to be a big fish in a small pond in such a situation, and as a result it means by being one of the few who actually give a shit/ are quite good at the subject, lecturers are much happier to give you fairly unique opportunities; Ie research as undergrad (Inc. paid research internships over holidays, etc.) which will in turn help when applying for post grad.

[Anonymous No.8079804]

>>8079653
Illinois?

[Anonymous No.8079831]

I can get there are many arguments for not going to the top schools but you'd have to be willingly ignorant to believe the schools doesn't give a fuckload of money in grants to help out poorer students

[Anonymous No.8079939]

>>8079187
but I do study at Princeton

[Anonymous No.8080021]

>>8079187
Not enough effort exerted to distinguish myself outside of grades/SAT in highschool for Caltech or MIT, not British, and not Jewish enough for Ivies.

[Anonymous No.8080025]

Because I'm an Ausfag and didn't want to leave

[Anonymous No.8080076]

>>8079245
I'm transfering in next semester for math.
Sup bear bro.

[Anonymous No.8080079]

>>8080076
Nice! Welcome to Cal.
It's a great school, but it's tough. Don't be discouraged if you get a shit GPA. Math has the second lowest average in the school.

[Anonymous No.8080097]

>>8079187
Because the strength of your (american) high school record is not based on merit.

Artificially low grades (ideologically motivated) in humanities courses are a big issue. Cronyism/patronage is as well.

Beyond outright cynical abuse of the system, subjective assessments are also severely prone to cognitive bias. A teacher's general impressions of a student him/herself (re: subconscious, unexamined beliefs) heavily color their judgement before they've even seen the work they're assessing. Background factors are noteworthy as well. The "racism of lowered expectations" giving black and hispanic students higher grades for the same performance/effort/ability, judges ruling favorably on parole hearings far more often at the start of the day and after breaks, and the effects of the uncanny valley are key illustrative examples.

So in a way, come across as the wrong type of spergy and you're fucked, carry the invisible markers that make you a target for mass bullying and you're fucked, get an insecure teacher you end up disagreeing with in your dispassionate attempt to formulate the objectively strongest, most complete argument and you're fucked. Sit, stand, walk or speak the subliminally "wrong" way and you're fucked. Regularly get less sleep than you need, appear outwardly tired and you're fucked. Fail to hide your depression perfectly and you're fucked.

>mfw the imperative to examine one's own hidden and implicit beliefs in order to confront bias comes from fucking Socrates
>mfw those who insist on treating passing familiarity with various aspects of western civilization as a legitimate academic discipline shit on the very roots of that civilization in some mad drive to imagine away the Kafkaesque nature of the gatekeepers to all fields and the only thing they accept as a vehicle of intellectual status
>mfw virtue signaling trumps substance here too
>mfw we'd literally rather invent imaginary problems (AA, STEM gender quotas) than even acknowledge this issue

[Anonymous No.8080100]

>>8079187
>having 139 IQ
>being poor my whole life due to my grand parents labeled as public enemies coz they are not with the communist government, completely shunned from society.
>living in ex commie country now

>doing wagecuck job and thinking of moving up to a software developer in hope to get visa for the USA someday

[Anonymous No.8080101]

>>8079187
I'm not Jewish and/or Rich, nor am I eligible for affirmative action.

Sooooo

[Anonymous No.8080116]

I'm going to attend Cal State Chico in the fall, getting my degree in Finance.

How fucked am I?

[Anonymous No.8080121]

>>8080116
All I can say is that I'm glad people like you exist, anon.

[Anonymous No.8080122]

>>8080121

[Anonymous No.8080137]

>>8079321
>make you do proofs from day one
You mean there are places where they don't do that?

[Anonymous No.8080147]

>>8080137
...yes?

[Anonymous No.8080149]

>>8079204
>jewish
Not true. Actually the complete opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota

[Anonymous No.8080152]

>>8079187
you guys are funny some times

[Anonymous No.8080153]

>>8079645
Art is an optional class, iirc phys ed is nonexistent past year 3

[Anonymous No.8080165]

>>8080149
Yeah, no. Those quotas haven't existed for decades. Jewish people are now classified as Whites and are more likely to be admitted to Ivy Leagues than equally qualified non-Jewish Whites. Bear in mind they're only around 2% of the US population.

[Anonymous No.8080176]

>>8080165
Yes, and the fact they are classified as whites negates the point that being Jewish "gets preferential treatment in the admissions processes at these universities"

[Anonymous No.8080194]

>If you're smart, anon. Why don't you study at...

i did op. and then i quit because shit tier lectures, too expensive, i like sleep.

impressing randoms is not my foremost goal in life.

[Anonymous No.8080205]

its time to admit what people have been afraid to say out loud for a while now: doing a BA is harder than doing a bsc doing a BA is really, really hard. Its much Harder in fact, than studying maths, For starters,we cant copy each others answers like you do in your coursework, and once you learn something uve learnt it – it’s not so easy for us. we have to chug a bottle of wine and weep over Sparknotes very basic summaries before we can even fathom choosing our essay titles, let alone writing out introductions. BS students can just Google their answers or ask matt on the boys Whatsapp what he got for question 1a We get given the choice to write our own essay title too – isit some sort of reverse psychology where our tutors want us to write an essay title to show autonomy or will they take offence if we dont pick one of theirs It’s much harder than finding out what 'x' is when it comes to coursework, ure always going to get higher than ull come back with a smarmy 90% and we can tell you think our hard earned 71% is rubbish, but it’s all relative you may have beaten us by 19% but let’s be honest: it’s not really your own work In BA we have to go and right arguments. We have to actually form ideas out of words, and do so in a coherent and convincing way. If our marker is in a bad mood because his cat’s shit on his first edition of oliver twist we wont know about it, but our grades might be lower. Your marker, on the other hand, cant begrudge you for regurgitating a mathematics equation – two plus two will always equal four Its obvious that bSc students think BA students want to be them. You ask us: “What’s the point to your degree The answer is quite honestly is that you’re intimidated by us. So don’t think we want to be you just because we skim past your inaccuracies which we get bang on point everyday – itsharder to be a BA student because people take humanitis for granted but think that being skilled at science is a gift.

[Anonymous No.8080212]

I go to an Eastern European University. While it may not be so hot shot in terms of peers (many pass but don't really deserve to) or regarding funding (some of the basic labs that everyone had to take, like optics and electricity still use some devices that are 50+ years old), it's rather awesome when it comes to profs and theory. I mean, people just of the bat throw you into Landau&shit, right from the intro courses. I thought it was fucking crazy, but as I approach the finish of my first year I begin to really appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.8080214]

>>8079187
I didn't have the money and I spent my childhood worrying about where my next meal was coming from.

Pretty fucking hard to get your foot in the door when you're set behind, regardless of how genius you are.

[Anonymous No.8080217]

>>8079187
I don't live in any of those places or near
I don't have the money
About teaching, I don't think that prestige is related to quality
I don't think that studying in any of those places could give me a successfull and happy life

[Anonymous No.8080224]

>>8079187
Because I'm smart enought to not waste my money

[Anonymous No.8080297]

>>8079187
Cause I study maths at the ENS, I get paid to prepare my Fields Medal in a 30-students class.

[Anonymous No.8080302]

>>8080205
Nice bait lifted from that shite article in the tab

[Anonymous No.8080306]

>>8080297
Ça.

[Anonymous No.8080325]

>>8080205
I like this pasta

[Anonymous No.8080400]

>>8079187

Because I'm a California resident so Berkeley was (and still is) cheaper.

[Anonymous No.8080411]

>>8079196
As a test subject for severe mental incapacity?

Genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.8080435]

>>8079490
>intern
>100k
Uh huh.

[Anonymous No.8080442]

I have enough time and energy to teach myself.

[Anonymous No.8080443]

>>8080097
This absolutely

[Anonymous No.8080483]

>>8079206
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

JUST PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY

[Anonymous No.8080490]

What would be the european equivalent to the MIT?

[Anonymous No.8080514]

>>8080490
there are several "equivalents", each country has their own (or several own).

The first to reply with a school in the UK has no clue.

[Anonymous No.8080521]

>>8079245
eecs master race reporting in

[Anonymous No.8080555]

>>8080490
Edinburgh Napier University

[Anonymous No.8080560]

>>8080555
no one has ever heard of that

[Anonymous No.8080566]

>>8080560
They have the best computing science course in the world

[Anonymous No.8080568]

>>8080560
and it has napier in the name it's the guy that made the logarithm and the comma

[Anonymous No.8080597]

>>8080566
do they?
Also no one cares about CS.

>>8080568
Cool story bro.

[Anonymous No.8080614]

>>8080597
Why would they? Obviously MIT, Caltech, HYP, or Oxbridge have the best comp sci degree programs.

[Anonymous No.8080700]

>>8080597
>No one cares about CS
The ones who care about this thread cares

[Anonymous No.8080890]

>>8079187
I guess there are no smart people outside these universities. Not one.

[Anonymous No.8080903]

>>8080521
Kek
Take a shower, kid :^)
(I kid, cool to see so many people from Cal on here.)

[Anonymous No.8080905]

>>8079187
But I'm not smart, I'm just average

[Anonymous No.8080917]

>>8079425
write you fucking essays well. I repeat, dont fuck on your essays (thats assuming what youve done + grades is good for them). Literally rejected all ivys i applied + mit. going to skidmark uni in Canada now to not be fucked financially for years to come.

[Anonymous No.8080993]

>>8079425
What subject?

[Anonymous No.8081022]

>>8079187
Because I'd rather get my undergrad at a state school with research opportunities and wind up with ~ 40k of debt rather than go to a larger school and wind up with 40k/ year of debt.

[Anonymous No.8081728]

ITT: What is financial aid?

[Anonymous No.8081742]

>>8081022
It's cool if you didn't base your college decision off of any research or facts, but you shouldn't publicly share the opinions that come from your random perception of schools.

[Anonymous No.8083112]

>>8079206
What should I do in prep for Maths at Cambridge (applying also this time) as well as STEP etc. Just relying on my single parent background and being >poor to get me in as I'm brilliant at maths kek

[Anonymous No.8083118]

>>8083112
have you done any BMO/IMO stuff?

[Anonymous No.8083125]

>>8083118
Got gold in past 6 years of UKMT, best in my school year GCSE Maths, accepted onto Cambridge summer school this time, won a mathematical astrophysics placement over summer to do Physics at Manchester. Looking for other advice for prep though ty

[Anonymous No.8083129]

Fuck your American Universities.
Advanced Mathematics @ UNSW
is where it's at.

[Anonymous No.8083149]

>>8079197
i just like research

[Anonymous No.8083198]

>>8079276

In America most "competitive" collages, especially ivys, have 100-150 students per class. Each professor has around 1000 students each and most of your work is checked by TAs.

Put simply you're paying way more for much less. Even my local JC offers more "traditional" college type classes (ie classes of only 40ish students) than any traditional college because there's simply less demand.

[Anonymous No.8083305]

>>8079187
I'm not an American.

[Anonymous No.8083316]

>>8083198
>In America most "competitive" collages, especially ivys, have 100-150 students per class. Each professor has around 1000 students each and most of your work is checked by TAs.
Not true of any college in America. Fucking stop making things up.

[Anonymous No.8083326]

>>8079187
I was thought of as a slow learner and retard in highschool, and this fed my self image as an outcast, so I got poor grades and dicked around.

As a result, once I began to understand my mind and how to use it, I didn't have the grades to go to a good school off the bat.

It also happens that most ivies and elite schools are playgrounds for the rich and priviledged, and function mainly as a class mechanism for perpetuating those exclusive social benefits. I was never welcome to begin with.

I prefer being a Good Will Hunting type and work blue collar jobs while writing scientific treaties and essays in my spare time. Manual work is oddly satisfying for one thing, but it also allows me to keep my thought from being contaminated by the popular academic memes.

Remind you most of what gets taught in school is going to be outdated in a few years anyway, so what's the point of learning it when you can be scoping the frontiers?

[Anonymous No.8083845]

>>8079442
>tfw 4 A*s at GCSE
>tfw A in maths GCSE
>tfw I'm now studying physics at Oxford

it's all in the PAT and interview.

[Anonymous No.8083858]

>>8079187
Because I have no money, so state college will have to do.

[Anonymous No.8083872]

>>8079187
>If you're smart

there's the problem

[Anonymous No.8083892]

>>8079187
"Smart" just means "not as dumb as everyone else".
I'm not academic tier smart. I'm just not a dumb normie.

[Anonymous No.8084158]

>>8079187
>MIT
because I'm studying to get into MIT.
We aeronautical/mechanical/electrical and physics all at once boys.
I'm taking 22 credits a fucking quarter.
>Harvard
>Oxford
>Cambridge
>CalTech
>Princeton
because I don't want to get castrated by SJW's.

[Anonymous No.8084208]

hoping i can get into quantum information at mit
i think i might have a shot based on my stats desu but imma need a killer letter of rec

[Anonymous No.8084233]

I'm at MIT for my PhD. I am exhausted.

[Anonymous No.8084264]

>>8080165
Jews have the highest average IQ, by about a full standard deviation, meaning they produce individuals with 150+ IQ at a rate 22 times that of non-jewish whites.

College graduates have an average IQ of 115, and PhDs and US MDs have an average IQ of 125.

This means, 50% of Jews are graduate tier intelligent, whilst only 15.87% of non-jew whites are. 24.59% of Jews are PhD IQ-tier, only 4.58% non-jew whites are.

Also, jews are the richest or seconded richest ethnicity in the US, meaning they can afford better education for their children.

Additionally, Judaism places a lot of stock in education.

No wonder Jews outstrip non-jew whites in the US. In the UK, student ethnicity percentages at uni reflect a non-affirmative action mindset, at least at the top unis

[Anonymous No.8084741]

Any interview tips?

[Anonymous No.8084766]

>>8080566
University of Edinburgh has the best informatics research reputation in the UK, but not in the world. Edinburgh Napier is substantially less reputable however, with little standing as a university even locally. So perhaps you're confusing the two?

[Anonymous No.8084781]

>>8079187
Cos I'm scotch, mate.
University of Edinburgh is free for me, and best uni in Scotland.

[Anonymous No.8084786]

>>8079197
Should I leave if I came here hoping to learn?

[Anonymous No.8084789]

>>8084786
I learn stuff here.
More from being browbeat by people who are smarter than me til I pick up a book and learn for myself.

[Anonymous No.8085088]

Starting ME on a scholarship from next year at Todai, did I fuck up? I'm still not sure wether I like ME or EE better, fuck. If you ask why? I had to fill in a document when applying for the scholarship and you can't change your major once you chose it, so I went for ME. I'd like to work at what I like but I also want to make good money, fuck shit fuck cunt. Well at least I start on april 2017, I get to masturbate on my home country for another couple of months.

[Anonymous No.8085238]

>>8085088
>Todai
Like, tokyo daigaku? Fuck lol
Omedeto gozaimasss anon kun

[Anonymous No.8085291]

I study in the Best University in My Country.... so no need to move to be in the Ivy league to be smart. Other countries do have good universities too. I'm fluent speaker of several languages, how many can you speak? Being smart doesn't equate going to the best American universities.... it means youncan oearn whatever your conditions are. A better question would be. If you ate so smart did you learn to program (or anything else really) on your own? If so at what age? There fixed your question.

[Anonymous No.8085298]

>>8079187
There are plenty of great opportunities at my state college! Here's what you get if you go to Harvard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc

That's right, niggers openly calling for your death because you're white, and the university is A-OK with their right to free speech!

Meanwhile, my college's BLM population is about ... 20? And they don't call for our death, they just stage sit-ins that don't really interrupt anything. Feels good man.

[Anonymous No.8085353]

>>8083125
Best in school every year UKMT, all gold of course (consistently beating year above when they're in my age bracket), kangaroo last three years. Get on my level you little faggot.

I'm going to UoG for comp sci kek

[Anonymous No.8085517]

>>8079187
Because im dumb as fuck and can't get anything done. That's why im at a mediocre university

[Anonymous No.8085528]

>>8083125
>manchester

[Anonymous No.8085551]

>>8079187

>CalTech

I've taught there. Come at me bro.

[Anonymous No.8085621]

>>8085551
You couldn't get in to MIT?

[Anonymous No.8085631]

>>8085621
Could you?

[Anonymous No.8085636]

>>8085298
>Niggers go to Harvard
>Niggers proceed to complain about "privilege"

[Anonymous No.8085642]

>>8079187
I've never studied at any of those but I do some* teaching at one of them (Cambridge).

*not too much since I'm just a humble Research Fellow.

[Anonymous No.8085643]

>>8079365
How'd you do on the ACT anon? Just curious. Dropoutfag here, got a 33 falling asleep. Thought I'd failed.

[Anonymous No.8085647]

>>8085642
Working at an elite uni is less prestigious than attending one.

[Anonymous No.8085653]

>>8085647
>Supposed "higher class" students are taught by "less prestigious" instructors

Seems legit

[Anonymous No.8085671]

>>8085353
kangeroo? isnt that for people who were too shit even to get to the 1st round of BMO. wtf why are you proud of that?

p.s. if thats not what kangeroo, apologises, ive never heard of anyone doing it

[Anonymous No.8085674]

>>8085653
Being a teacher for the elite is less prestigious than being a member of the elite, much the same way that being a cleaner or a cook for the elite is less prestigious than being a member of the elite.

You are a servant.

[Anonymous No.8085678]

>>8083845
this is what people applying dont understand. YOUR ENTRANCE EXAM IS EVERYTHING!!!

[Anonymous No.8085680]

>>8084741
for where?

[Anonymous No.8085681]

I'm lazy

[Anonymous No.8085683]

Who /imperial/ here?

[Anonymous No.8085685]

>>8079199
Lol, what would you say is better? Seminary school?

[Anonymous No.8085691]

I went to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and I am now a post-graduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me.

[Anonymous No.8085707]

because I got bronze at IBO not IMO only because biology is piss easy

[Anonymous No.8085709]

>>8079187
I would if I was doing something competitive like law.
My university is much cheaper, very respectable, and has all of the facilities that I need.

[Anonymous No.8085711]

>>8085683
That place is shit
>gooks
>assburgers
>sausagefest
>everyone has a massive chip on their shoulder for being an oxbridge reject
>in the most expensive part of london

[Anonymous No.8085714]

>>8079228
just admitted, 90% sure gonna be a physics major. cya round columbianon

[Anonymous No.8085737]

>>8079187
I study at a uni that isnt even rated.
I dont know what to even major in.
I have accumulated a minor in math, bio, psychology and philosophy.

I just want to solve problems. I dont care who and what year some scientist/philosopher discovered/coined something.

I'll just get a university studies degree or something. Become a consultant. Join the police academy and try to become a detective.

I have dozens of books I have read ranging from mathematical reasoning, logic, riddles, intro to all the sciences. I have no desire whatsoever to go further than that. I was bored to death getting through calc1 and 2, and my math electives were baby proofs, discrete, mathematical reasoning.

I'm not up for academic life.
I'm just a sherlock wanna be.
I'm a normie.

Can anyone suggest a way to kill myself?
I won't do it, but listening to elitists make fun of me makes me smile for some reason.

[Anonymous No.8085758]

>>8085647
I personally think the opposite is true. Those jobs are crazy hard to get, and usually require actual accomplishments.

[Anonymous No.8085777]

I'm European.
I don't have a lot of money.

I study at St. Andrews which is the best "free" schools in Europe for my field.

[Anonymous No.8085783]

>>8080993
i'm considering either comp sci or natural sciences

[Anonymous No.8085784]

>>8085758
hard to get =/= prestigious

[Anonymous No.8085849]

>>8085737
stop being a little bitch-boy and find something you like. jesus chirst. get into humanities. maybe philosophy first based on your preferences (got to /lit/ not /his/) and then into literature. at least TRY to be a polymath

[Anonymous No.8085853]

>>8085784
Isn't the whole argument for prestige associated to top schools that they're hard to get into?

[Anonymous No.8085856]

>>8085674
holy shit i hope to high heaven your at least 75% irony.

if your more than 50% sincere then kill yourself.

youre so fucking spooked m80. jesus.

[Anonymous No.8085860]

>>8085853
not him but they are A LOT harder (not just to get into but actually the courses). more people drop in so called """""""""""""elite""""""""""" uni's than other ones. also they'res more connections/clubs which makes you more employable. idrk

[Anonymous No.8085870]

>>8085853
No, prestigious is what elites perceive as prestigious. Once acquired the prestige can remain by sheer inertia but often it will even be able to further reinforce itself.

The most important asset of high level schooling is the fact your peers will be on a similarly high level as you, socially, materially, and/or intellectually.

On the social and material axes it means you will be able to network with other high-value individuals.

On the intellectual axis it means you can be taught advanced concepts without being held up by the stupidest people in the group too much.

[Anonymous No.8085880]

I'm a cambridge graduate.

[Anonymous No.8085888]

>>8085870
>>8085853
*For clarification, I mean that this:
>the whole argument for prestige associated to top schools that they're hard to get into

Is true, but only for the students. For the staff it's irrelevant.

An university with more elite students (attracted by perceived prestige) will tend to produce superior graduates to a less prestigious university which gets shittier students from the start, even if the quality of schooling is "objectively" better in the latter. It doesn't matter how good your teaching is if all your students are thick, and high-achievers will generally succeed when grouped with other high-achievers even if the environment is otherwise suboptimal.

Thus (at least on the undergraduate level) the quality of students and graduates is strongly correlated with university prestige, but the quality of staff is all over the place. Plenty of top tier academics are at institutions the average undergrad hasn't even heard of.

[Anonymous No.8085899]

>>8079206
Wew lad I didn't know they still used that design on the cards.

[Anonymous No.8085919]

>>8079323
Does Trinity Dublin count? We're ancient uni bros right?

[Anonymous No.8085998]

>>8079321
Isn't Cornell the best Ivy for Stem?

[Anonymous No.8086026]

>>8079365
The only way you wouldn't get any money from any of the top schools is if your parents were extremely wealthy. The ivies and other top schools like Stanford, MI, etc. will give you a free ride financially if your household makes less than a certain threshold. After that you should get some aid but not a full ride.

[Anonymous No.8086054]

>>8083316
What he said is definitely true for introduction courses. Class size will shrink quicker at private universities compared to public, and then shrink further as majors become more specialized and harder.

[Anonymous No.8086061]

>>8085888
>Plenty of top tier academics are at institutions the average undergrad hasn't even heard of.
Just like plenty of talented undergrads are at schools that aren't elite or prestigious, and were perfectly capable of being accepted to those schools, simply because there are hardly any spots available. I just don't follow your argument that I should be more impressed with the undergrad at such an institution.

[Anonymous No.8086071]

>>8085860
>not him but they are A LOT harder (not just to get into but actually the courses)
I really don't buy this.

>more people drop in so called """""""""""""elite""""""""""" uni's than other ones.
I'm pretty sure that's a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.8086807]

>>8079187
>Havard
>Smart
pick one assclown
Havard is teeming with uneducated blacks that they hoard like trading cards.

[Anonymous No.8086963]

>>8079342
>Triple negatives

[Anonymous No.8087393]

>>8086071
you dont think maths tripos at cambridge is harder than maths at a 300 in the world uni? come on. for the record, im completely non elitist about uni's. most of its just luck. but your delusional if you dont release that the work people do at top uni's isnt orders of magnitude greater than unknown ones. 1. they take people with a good work ethic, 2. they're hard to get into, hence people work harder otherwise its a waste, 3. because of 1 and 2, your peers are working harder, so you work harder to compete (if you've been to an elite uni/class, you know how true this is. if you've been ever been at a shit uni/class, you know how true the inverse is) and 4. a lot of elite uni's make the course harder because a. the students can take it, b. if standards fall, so does prestige

i might be able to list more reasons if i think of any, but, despite also being a meme, it really is true.

im honestly not trying to put you down or anything if you havent been to an """..."""elite""""..."""" (10^10^10 quotation marks) uni. just compare the published spec of identical courses at seperate uni's, or any tests if they are published.

[Anonymous No.8087402]

>>8087393
cont.

comparing uni's is a bit flawed as almost everyone only goes to one uni in their life, so they have literally no way of comparing. whats the best uni? fuck knows, it could be some completely unknown congonese college but how would any of us know? the question people debate must clearly be "for which university is it most of an achievement to enter?" or just "which uni is hardest to get into?"

basically what im saying is that even though a uni being difficult to enter doesnt necessarily imply its the best, difficulty is the only objective comparison we have

[Anonymous No.8087452]

>>8087393
>>8087402
There are 298 universities between 300 and Cambridge. Stop being obtuse. I'm sure you can skirt by at American community colelges, but I don't think students work appreciably harder at a school that's "elite" (maybe I'm not understanding how broadly you're applying this term) than any other reasonably good school.

[Anonymous No.8087458]

>>8087452
>colelges
That was a typo, but I think it's pretty apt anyways.

[Anonymous No.8087499]

>>8079228
see you back here in 6 months complaining about how you ruined your life

[Anonymous No.8087632]

>>8087452
im not applyin the term at all. """""elite""""" uni's are everything i stand against (not the uni's but the classification). not so much "oxbridge" which is a historical term and because oxford and cambridge have similarities very different from other UK uni's, but "russell group" and "ivy leagues" turn my stomach because thats literally defined by the members. they're not groups. they're clubs.

aaaaanyway, my point is that if we get past that disclaimer and call hard-to-get-into universities """"""elite""""" then its silly to think that those same people who worked very harder to get into hard-to-get-into universities (analytically true) would not also work harder when they are actually IN university (synthetically true).

theres very little anecdotal evidence for, as i say, few people go to more than one university.

but i describe four mechanisms by which the inductive leap is probably. i havent got any statistical evidence because statistical evidence is everything /sci/ is against (haha) but seriously i wonder if anyones looked into that.

anyway, appeal to your own experience. if you've ever been in a class/position which is
1. difficult to get into
2. has more competition and hence
3. you are more expendable
4. has a higher level of """""prestige""""""
5. was given to you because of your work ethic
6. is filled with other hard working people hence forcing you to work harder to standout for good reasons/ not standout for bad reasons
7. is artifically made harder because it needs reputation as a "difficult class" and because
8. its students can take it without complaint
cont

[Anonymous No.8087634]

>>8087632
9. is taught by the best academics (because academics are no less swayed by elitist memes/research funds than students) and hence
10. are capable (or often uncapable of not) teaching beyond what is required

....then you know exactly what im on about.

if you havent this experience, im not trying to insult you or anything, but you can at least i hope imagine how allllllllllllllllll of these factors will mean that harder-to-get-into universities (not necessarily better universerities) are harder-to-stay-in universities

[Anonymous No.8087699]

I'd rather go to Cambridge than shitty manchester even though its on my doorstep. Love feeling the best, going to the best uni, doing the best course (maths) for me. Applying this time, don't give a fuck you're not bothered about elitism + prestige, I am.

[Anonymous No.8087743]

>>8087699
even though your're probably an insufferable cunt, good luck m8, haha ;) how are you doing academically so far?

[Anonymous No.8087797]

1. I'm not that smart
2. I'm poor
3. I would rather die than have to be around preppy people all the time. One of my friends goes to Harvard and whenever I visit him I'm always grossed out at the pretentiousness of the people there.

[Anonymous No.8087924]

cuz college educations a joke

[Anonymous No.8087999]

TFW you're poor canadian pleb studying at mcgill and can't afford any better universities