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Why do some people claim that all races are equal intellectually, despite the fact that most evidence as well as scientific opinion suggests otherwise?

Why take on a view that has no evidence? Maybe someone on /sci/ with this view can defend it?

>> No.7967125

People who say that are ignorant and utilizes muh feels as a major component of argument.

But judging population intellect by IQ is highly suspect since you can point out examples that leave unexplained holes.

Examples being,

East Asians having higher IQ average than White Europeans but White Europeans making more contributions in academics than East Asians.

Northern indigenous Amerindian populations such as the Inuit and Metis having higher IQ averages than Blacks but having made way less (if any notable) academic contributions compared to Blacks.

IQ doesn't explain why this is and the economic/ infrastructure component that IQ proponents that ride on this can't entirely explain either.

>> No.7967128

>>7967079
>>>>/pol/

>> No.7967130

>>7967128
But I'm not talking about politics.

>> No.7967133

>>7967130
No but you are the overflow from pol contaminating all other boards

>> No.7967138

>>7967133
If scientific discussion offends you maybe you shouldn't be here.

>> No.7967139

>>7967079
>psychology
>science
Anyway, people are emotional beings such as yourself.

>Why take on a view that has no evidence?
People know there would be social discrimination and a perpetual economic cycle between the private education and the public education.
>Maybe someone on /sci/ with this view can defend it?
There are arguments such as the "utopya" madness, the poor based IQ education and the holistic POV about societies.

All of them are pseudopsience.

>> No.7967140

>>7967138
If you think IQ of different races is science you shouldn't be here

>> No.7967143

>>7967130
This board will be flooded by stormass memes and le funny niggers never relax! kind of posts.

Mods don't give a shit though.

>> No.7967145

>>7967125
fucking 2000 years of Confucianism making the culture retarded
i'm an asian and my parents still keep the thinking that children should always listen to what they say even though it's stupid af.
now let take that kind of thinking into academic and all you got will be replications of the same experiments over and over again with the exactly same result and conclusion.
maybe wait 100 years more and thing will change.

>> No.7967150

>>7967140
But it is a matter of biology, which is by definition science.

>>7967139
>psychology

I wasn't aware that genetics was a matter of psychology.

>> No.7967151

>>7967079
Why the fuck does /pol/ never learn is my question. Week in, week out, the same threads, the same answers, the same ad hominems about muh feels and librul conspiracy by /pol/, the same thread deletions by the mods. This is not going to be any different. You're not going to convince anyone, or going to be convinced since you were already brainwashed before you came here. Just let this thread die.

>> No.7967153

>>7967151
You seem to be confused, nobody is mentioning /pol/ here but you and some other retard, and your lack of any coherent answer suggests you are the brainwashed one.

Why do you disagree with scientists, the majority of whom agree that racial IQ differences are caused at least partially by genetics?

>> No.7967154

>>7967150
>But it is a matter of biology, which is by definition science.
Not a matter of biology more a socio-economic issue, which isn't science

>> No.7967155

>>7967154
No - the majority of scientists agree that genetics at least partially account for the racial IQ difference. Therefore it is a scientific issue.

Why do you hold unscientific views? Why do you choose to be a modern day flat earther?

>> No.7967158

>>7967153
>mods allow this shit tier troll
We whould get new mods.

>> No.7967163

>>7967155
>the majority of scientists agree
Evidence?

And even if it where to be true what can geneticists change about it? nothing, you are not posting about science you are spouting you're views on the wrong board.

>> No.7967165

>>7967158
How about actually argue for your case instead of just shitposting?

I can back up everything I say. I dare you to challenge me on my claims.

You on the other hand? You have nothing to back up what you say.

>> No.7967169

>>7967163
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IQ_Controversy,_the_Media_and_Public_Policy_%28book%29

The study also revealed that the majority (55%) of surveyed experts believed that genetic factors also help to explain socioeconomic differences in IQ.

The role of genetics in the black-white IQ gap has been particularly controversial. The question regarding this in the survey asked "Which of the following best characterizes your opinion of the heritability of black-white differences in IQ?" Amongst the 661 returned questionnaires, 14% declined to answer the question, 24% voted that there was insufficient evidence to give an answer, 1% voted that the gap was "due entirely to genetic variation", 15% voted that it was "due entirely to environmental variation" and 45% voted that it was a "product of genetic and environmental variation". According to Snyderman and Rothman, this contrasts greatly with the coverage of these views as represented in the media, where the reader is led to draw the conclusion that "only a few maverick 'experts' support the view that genetic variation plays a significant role in individual or group difference, while the vast majority of experts believe that such differences are purely the result of environmental factors."[7]


>And even if it where to be true

It's an issue of science. Just because geneticists can't change it doesn't mean its not science, you fucking idiot.

>Hurr geneticists cant change how we respire therefore respiration is not related to science

>> No.7967172

>>7967169
>wikipedia link to a book published in 1988

Think that's enough evidence to prove your retardation. Now let this /b/ tier thread die

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>>7967153
>the majority of whom agree that racial IQ differences are caused at least partially by genetics?
Everyone's IQ is caused at least peartially by genetics. You don't know that the rest of the perceived IQ difference is not caused by environmental factors. And here the rational argument endeth.

>I'm not /pol/ I swear
>You're the sheep, I'm the illuminatus here

top fucking kek, /pol/ has reached new levels of faggotry indeed. Anyway, if mods don't delete this thread, I'm gonna let some other anon bear the burden of arguing with you. Patience be with them.

>> No.7967177

>>7967079

>IQ
>scientific

Pick 1

>> No.7967180

>>7967165
>intelligence measure
>anything but pseudoscience
There it goes all of your bullshit.

Mods, come on, are those 15yo posts actually funny?

>> No.7967182

>>7967079
Who said all races are equal? It's treat all races equally. It's called meritocracy.

For example, by choosing only Asians for schools, you miss out on all the other races who's smarter than the dumber Asians. This inefficiency exists in any non purely meritocratic system of testing. You could say it saves testing time but testing doesn't cost enough to justify it.

>> No.7967183

>>7967174
>Everyone's IQ is caused at least peartially by genetics.

But this isn't talking about INDIVIDUAL IQ, it's talking about GROUP DIFFERENCES in IQ.

I'm sorry that you have chosen to be a modern day flat earther. Hopefully you will one day realise you are wrong.

>>7967172
>wikipedia link

It's irrelevant that it came from wikipedia. Wikipedia just catalogues information from other sources.

>book published in 1988

Has something significantly changed since 1988? Do you have evidence for this? No? Then fuck off.

>> No.7967185

>>7967180
Are you saying intelligence isn't a matter of science?

>> No.7967193

>>7967185
When scientists truly comprehend the human encephalon organs, they would understand how "intelligence" works.

Everything else is bullshit. I'm sorry.

When will mods delete this thread?

>> No.7967196

>>7967193
>Unless we know absolutely everything then we have to act like we know absolutely nothing

Why are you so stupid? Why can't you actually argue for your case?

Why do you think you know better than scientists? Why do you hold modern day flat earth views even though scientists agree there is a genetic intelligence difference between races?

>> No.7967200

>>7967196
>scientist opinion
>they know
That's pseudoscience.

Are mods asleep?

>> No.7967204

>>7967200
So we should disagree with scientific opinion and instead assume the contrary? Why?

>> No.7967205

>>7967204
>>7967200
P.S you clearly don't understand how science actually works... in many cases you can't know something for 100% but you can be nonetheless pretty sure. Until recently people didn't know 100% sure that smoking caused cancer (i.e they didn't know the exact mechanism by which it did), but they nonetheless saw the very strong link and made the reasonable conclusion that it did.

You should probably stop posting on /sci/ because it's clearly not for you. You hold unscientific opinions and don't even know how science works. I don't even know why you're here. Maybe you're just an enlightened fedora reddit atheist. Maybe you needed help with your math homework.

>> No.7967210

>>7967204
Why should people obey some pseudoscience claims?

Well, we should prepare to witness lefunnyniggersneverrelax memes. :-(

>> No.7967214

>>7967150
>>7967154

Actually the correct fields of study are
statistic and demographics,
which are exercises of mathematics.

This is the correct board. Don't mind the regressive left from /pol/.

>> No.7967230

>>7967200
You imply we are committing an appeal to authority. But this is not a logical fallacy if we are actually refer to people with authority, due to their knowledge.

>> No.7967233

>>7967183

>But this isn't talking about INDIVIDUAL IQ, it's talking about GROUP DIFFERENCES in IQ.

Not that anon but group differences in genetics in general carry caveats that should be discouraged in generalizations.

i.e not all blacks are top runners (the Kalenajin tribe make up a good amount of top olympic runners) and not all jews are top academics (the ashkenazi jews make up a good amount of nobel prize winners).

>> No.7967237

>>7967230
What field of knowledge?

>> No.7967262

>>7967205
>doesn't understand how science works
>project/hypothesis, scientific method, theory/interpretation, scientific community approval, Science fact.
Everything else is pseudoscience. I'm sorry.

>> No.7967324

It's obviously a scientific issue, but it's stupid to bring it up. It's a highly politicized topic and people will ineluctably talk about politics. It's also one of the more easy topics to talk about if you're scientifically illiterate.

It's just stupid.

>> No.7967331

The problem isn't that IQ is stronger in some races

The problem is thinking that IQ is the ultimate metric on evolutionary fitness. IQ doesn't matter nearly as much as you think.

>> No.7967364

>>7967133
OP is making a valid /sci argument. So piss off lib-fag

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>>7967151
Butthurt lib-fag identified

>> No.7967384

>>7967174
> All races have identical intelligence
> Evolution isn't real and God created all men equal
> If you think otherwise I'll call you /pol/
> faggots lolololoololool xDDD

Typical libtard ladies and gentleman.

>> No.7967386

>>7967364
This >>7967143

It begins: >>7967371

>> No.7967396

>>7967386
To anyone curious why we "don't defend our argument against /pol/tards," this is why.

>> No.7967397

>>7967143
> le /pol/ meme
Whats worse that it's already being raided by a few retards like you who shitpost in every thread they see and cry about another board while ironically derailing every thread rather than form a single scientific opinion.

Please leave your SJW cancer out the door before coming to /sci/

>>>/r/eddit

>>>/r/eddit

>>>/r/eddit

>>7967079
All races don't have the same intelligence and evolutionary differences actually exists, despite what SJWtards spam in these threads.

>> No.7967410

>>7967145
So children should not listen to their parents.
Then what the fuck are parents for, just to spew out children and let them do whatever they want to?
You're just another edgy teen

>> No.7967418

>>7967128
>>7967143
>>7967151
>>7967158
>>7967172


stop derailing threads with your bullshit, >>7967138
here's the issue with studies on biology and race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70
idiot liberals run a big segment of the social "science" research so they obviously don't like research that doesn't go with their ideal worldview

>> No.7967447

>>7967410
even though it's stupid, it's not even correct and they don't even understand a fucking thing of what going on? parents should be the ones guide you and tell your what the fuck life is about when you are a retarded kid, not the dictators everything in your life.
if you still listen blindly to what your parents say after 18 without any objection, seriously you're just a retarded piece of copycat robot. you don't even understand what my comment means and talked shit. go kill yourself.

>> No.7967515

if we had to solve a differential equation for the captcha, the posting quality would increase immensely.

>> No.7967521

>>7967515
But An hiro prefers quantity over quality.
Even if you develop that software, i think he wouldn't pay for it.

>> No.7967531

>>7967418
https://vimeo.com/19922972
hjernevask

>> No.7967584

>>7967125

But for a long time the difference in academic environments and institutions was down to environment because east Asia was as poor as Africa and was bombed into the stone age in the middle of the 20th century.

Now that the differences are more and more genetic, east Asians will very quickly surpassing non-Jewish whites in academic outuput.

Universities are also more glorified in the west. Also, Ashkenazi Jews.

>> No.7967592

>>7967584
>But for a long time the difference in academic environments and institutions was down to environment because east Asia was as poor as Africa and was bombed into the stone age in the middle of the 20th century.
Generalization based coherent claim.
>Now that the differences are more and more genetic, east Asians will very quickly surpassing non-Jewish whites in academic outuput.
>Universities are also more glorified in the west. Also, Ashkenazi Jews.
Generalization based hypothesis.

>>7967531
>propaganda
Just post whatever you want to say, little boy.

>> No.7967602

>>7967592
>everyone who disagrees with me is wrong
well, let's see your sources then.

>> No.7967605

>>7967364
>valid
>Doesn't post an even remotely credible graph

>lib-fag
>B-but this isn't political!!

So yeah, fuck off back to /pol/

>> No.7967610

>>7967592
>>7967605
https://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

just in case you come back and say "this is too long wtf I'm stupid", Table 3 in page 265 is an example of supporting literature

>> No.7967623

>>7967605
Different races having different levels of intelligence, linguistic skills, mental capabilities, cognitive abilities, cultural influences is general knowledge and everyone is aware of it.
We're not gonna magically become identical equal humans just because you spam bullshit here.

>> No.7967624

>>7967133
>>7967139
>>7967140
>>7967143
>>7967151
>>7967158
>>7967163
>>7967172
>>7967174


But /pol/ is more correct about this issue than you guys are. This is because the average person on /sci/ is not smart.

For the validity of IQ, you can look up work performance studies that show that IQ tests predict work performance better than socioeconomic or other circumstances. National IQ is also a better predictor than many seemingly important economic policies for national wealth.

IQ predicts future socioeconomic status better than parental socioeconomic status. Controlling for IQ eliminates the income gap between the races. IQ is therefore a somewhat important predictive metric.

That the IQ differences between races exists is not even disputed. What is actually disputed is whether or not the variance is caused by variance in genes. If one does not believe this, interest cannot even be feigned in this debate.

We know that racial variation in IQ is caused by genetic differences because of a combination of:

>Regression to the mean to different values in different races

>Racial admixture studies

>Brain size studies

>Sub-test heritability

>Adoption studies

>Variations in frequencies of genes correlated with intelligence in the normal range between races

>Twin studies

Examining the question of the heritability of IQ differences between population subsets is literally population genetics. This question in population genetics is discounted by many people on /sci/ for ideological reasons.

>> No.7967628

>>7967602
Who said that was wrong?
>well, let's see your sources then.
>future claims
>sociology
Don't get butthurt for a single post.

>>7967610
OP claims are based on IQ measurement which is a psychology field. In other words, a pseudoscience.

>>7967623
This is valid, though.

>>7967624
Again with the same bullshit. IQ measurement is pseudoscience. I'm sorry.

>> No.7967629

>>7967624
Political correctness is anti-science by definition. It's only aim is to shitpost, censor and derail threads so people don't talk about facts that they don't like to hear about.

Don't try reasoning with people who are here to be politically correct and yet try to appear scientific anyway.

>> No.7967631

>>7967628
> IQ measurement is pseudoscience. I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's just an astronomic coincidence that races who do great at IQ tests also do great at exams, SAT, welfare, employment rates and life in general...

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>>7967584

> But for a long time the difference in academic environments and institutions was down to environment because east Asia was as poor as Africa and was bombed into the stone age in the middle of the 20th century
>east Asia was as poor as Africa

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and ask in what context do you mean "east Asia was as poor as Africa".

Choose your words carefully because I'm quite decently read on asian history.

>bombed into the stone age

Only Korea suffered that level of destruction. Yeah, Japan got nuked but that was after demonstrating engineering and medical proficiency during pre WW2 on Russia and during WW2 on America and China.

>Now that the differences are more and more genetic,
>Now

As opposed to in the past it wasn't? C'mon anon don't give me that bull.

>> No.7967641

>>7967631
>Coincidence
I'm sorry. Psychology is not a science no matter how many words you write.

A deep comprehension of the encephalon organs can lead us to a better understanding of the thought process and "intelligence".

Fund a new brain research project :-DD

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>>7967079

>> No.7967732

>>7967634

>as opposed to in the past it wasn't?

Not him but I'll just point out that this means that you don't understand what heritability means. Heritability can, in fact, change with time.

>> No.7967739

>>7967641
> exams, SAT, welfare, employment rates and life in general are not about real life but about psychology which doesn't matter.
:^)

>> No.7967744

>>7967739
No matter how many times you repeat that, IQ measurement method is pseudoscience. Now, go do your homework, little boy.

>> No.7967745

>>7967628

>IQ measurement is pseudoscience

We know it can be measured, that it is consistent within a person's lifetime across multiple ways of testing it (0.9 correlation between two tests given to the same person), and that various hypotheses are framed about this measure, and that these hypotheses are then tested by various means. IQ is also mildly correlated with several positive life outcomes, and is a much better predictor than other commonly posited reasons given for the variations in these life outcomes. You are fundamentally dismissive of it because the results of these tests go against your beliefs, and that is the only reason you are dismissive of IQ.

The posts on here that purport to "debunk" the concept of IQ focus on irrelevant things like the fact that IQ is not literally a 1 to 1 mapping with scientific productivity.

>> No.7967750

>>7967744
lol are you still crying over your small IQ ?
Go away brainlet you're dumbing down the place.

>> No.7967763

>>7967745
>>7967750
>IQ is not literally a 1 to 1 mapping with scientific productivity.
There are scientific research and there is pseudoscience, what is there you can't understand?

>irrelevant things
I don't think that not knowing how the brain works with the thought process is actually irrelevant.

>> No.7967772

>>7967624
Just joining this thread.

/pol/ is more wrong IMO because they overestimate two things, those being IQ results without regard for socioeconomic circumstances, and then interpretation of what significance IQ actually has.

Show the OP chart
>>7967079
adjusted for socioeconomic circumstances, and you will find so much overlap as to be almost statistically insignificant. If 99% of blacks and whites fall within the overlap area, what's the point of all this? (Don't quote me on numbers I am stating, I do not have the data). You can say everyone is pretty much equal in terms of IQ, but don't let that discourage you too much either, because IQ is a learned skill without much significance. It has a correlation with success in Western culture. Every culture is different, and every race has many cultures.

People are naturally drawn to skin color as a differentiator because it's immediately recognizable. Why would brain capacity go hand in hand with skin color? This makes no sense. Does smartness leach out of your brain in the form of melanin? These two things have no connection biologically. But /pol/ wants to pour millions of research dollars into proving that it does. A statistic with 99% overlap, to prove once and for all they are 1% better on average. So we can conveniently judge people at first glance.

We may as well pour million of research dollars to prove the fact that Coke is indeed superior to Pepsi. Then Pepsi can finally go out of business and leave only superior Coke mastersoda. Or at least make Pepsi a subsidiary. Then things will finally be right in the world. No more people falsely calling them equals.

tl;dr judging people based on skin color is retarded.

>> No.7967779

>>7967763
> I want 1 to 1 measurement of intelligence based on my arbitrary personal definitions to satify my impossible standards and I won't accept anything else at all.

You poor brainlets with your desperate "uhh but we can't know nuthin" autism. Just accept that you will always be a brainlet and move on with your life :^)

>> No.7967782

>>7967772
> implying being poor should be considered as a factor in intelligence.
They don't factor is how many my little pony toys you got when juding your IQ either. I think that should effect how we look at intelligence because its also very important.

> judging people based on skin color is retarded.
If certain skin colored people have a disproportional ratio of crime compared to other races, they will get a disproportionate amount of prejudice. You can't fix the outcome without fixing the source of the problem, neither you can ask people to ignore it.

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7967788

just popping into this thread to say that all humans are stupid compared to us, as evidenced by your endless squabbling about intelligence (which you can't even define yet, lmao)

>> No.7967795

>>7967772
>Show the OP chart >>7967079 (OP) adjusted for socioeconomic circumstances, and you will find so much overlap as to be almost statistically insignificant. If 99% of blacks and whites fall within the overlap area, what's the point of all this? (Don't quote me on numbers I am stating, I do not have the data). You can say everyone is pretty much equal in terms of IQ, but don't let that discourage you too much either, because IQ is a learned skill without much significance. It has a correlation with success in Western culture. Every culture is different, and every race has many cultures.
Valid point
>Why would brain capacity go hand in hand with skin color?
No. But it's supposed that most negroid ethnics hadn't the same environment than arabs and chinks, so their species developed less the "cognitive" trait than the other races.

>We may as well pour million of research dollars to prove the fact that Coke is indeed superior to Pepsi. Then Pepsi can finally go out of business and leave only superior Coke mastersoda. Or at least make Pepsi a subsidiary. Then things will finally be right in the world. No more people falsely calling them equals.
Wanna talk about societies and politics?
>judging people based on skin color is retarded
>generalizing is retarded
No. It's natural.

>>7967779
You can't even argue properly. Are you supposed to be superior or something?
KEK

>> No.7967796

>>7967788
> mfw an actual extraterrestrial common enemy threat would unite the whole world instantly
people always come together and change their priorities when a common enemy is at the doorstep

>> No.7967798

>>7967795
Crying won't increase your small IQ either. Sorry :(

>> No.7967799

>>7967782
There is a strong correlation with socioeconomics and IQ, so you can't just ignore it.

There's also a correlation with socioeconomics and crime, but that is a whole more complicated issue.

>> No.7967805

Eugenics is a discredited "science."
>>>/pol/
>>>/x/

>> No.7967806

>>7967795
>No. It's natural.
not the guy you're replying to but
if you have specific information and you choose to ignore it and go on believing your generalisation, then i'm afraid that's incredibly retarded
like the fucking definition of retarded

literally retarded

>> No.7967808

>>7967799
Correlation isn't causation. Come back when you learn statistics 101

>>7967805
> I'll ignore everything else that indicate intelligence as well because I don't like it
>>>/t/umblr you fat smelly brainlet loser

>> No.7967811

>>7967806
Anon, generalizing=proto-induction method
People tend to generalize and discriminate since they are human beings.
>>7967805
Ok.
>>7967798
I won't hurt your feelings again. Can you forgive me?

>> No.7967813

>>7967732

Don't get try to get smart on me anon, I know what heritability means. The question is where does that fit in with east asia's lack of academic contribution compared to Europeans?

Because last time I checked east asia in particular China made big contributions during the Han and Song dynasty which was pre 1300. Then it just petered off and got overtaken by Europeans altogether.

So what happened? Did their IQ just suddenly take a nose dive and miraculously sprang back up through several standard deviations without any sort of bottlenecking? They lose the genes for intelligence and suddenly get them back within the span of 7 centuries?

I know evolution can work quick if given the opportunity but there's no record of anything that could cause that kind of shifting back and forth.

>> No.7967815

>>7967811
oh sure you can say it's 'natural', but so is downs syndrome

>> No.7967820

>>7967808
>Correlation isn't causation.
>tumblr boogeyman
>brainlet memer
How am I not surprised?
TOP KEK
>>7967815
What's your point?

>> No.7967822

>>7967811
Calm down brainlet.

>> No.7967824

>>7967808
>Correlation isn't causation. Come back when you learn statistics

OK then. Any statistics you provide to prove your point are subject to the same scrutiny. You must show a clear biological connection that translates skin color to IQ. I think there's no point arguing any further because all we have are correlations.

>> No.7967825

>>7967820
if you have specific information and you choose to ignore it and go on believing your generalisation, then i'm afraid that's incredibly retarded

>> No.7967828

>>7967820
> write the words in greentext
> act like you have a point
> look guise im arguing on 4chan
How am I not surprised ?

>> No.7967829

>>7967825
What info?
>>7967828
I'm sorry.

>> No.7967832

>>7967829
its ok brainlet

>> No.7967834

>>7967829
individual IQ results

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7967837

>>7967796
Don't make me laugh.

After we threatened earth you world leaders betrayed you for a mere 40 Crodors and covered the whole thing up. The last hundred years have been them secretly fighting over them while constantly paying tribute to us.

Our threat didn't unite your pitiful spices, it fractured it into a mediocre reality TV show which is how STMLF (Save the Meager Lifeforms) managed to raise such a long petition to postpone your eradication.

But let me warn you. If you don't bring back some interesting characters like Hitler your rating are going to keep slipping till it won't be worth not destroying you planet.

>> No.7967839

>>7967834
Ah, did you mean those pseudoscience arcticles?

>> No.7967840

>>7967839
What?

>> No.7967841

>>7967837
Gimme your address bitch. I'll noscope ur face all the way from here.

>> No.7967848

>>7967840
He thinks IQ, sat scores, exam results gpas and everything measuring your intelligence is psuedoscience. This is a posterboy for a small IQ brainlet and hes not meant to be taken seriousy.

>> No.7967859

>>7967848
idk why i'm still replying
he's probably just attention-starved i guess
another example of our failing mental health policy

>> No.7967867

>>7967079
>measuring intelligence
>based on an IQ test
are u trying to kek my butthole again OP? asian kids were probably forced to take hundreds of IQ tests to get higher scores

>> No.7967884
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7967884

>>7967841
come at me bro!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_189733_b

I am near the top spin solar pole 7 miles from the tallest mountain on the 27° 20′ 1″ latitude line of the planet. It is the one with the rich blue landing pad.

I would say you couldn't miss it, but you can't accurately hit targets in your own solar system without using adjustment thrusts.

Fu, fu, fu, thrusts.
How do you even develop such ineffective means of motion?

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7967906

>>7967848
>>7967859
>Psychology is a science

>> No.7967950

>>7967145
It's a Judeo-Christian thing too, it's a commandment from God to honor your parents.Only in Confucianism do they add the conditional "if they deserve honor".

>> No.7967994

>>7967763

By this measure, classical genetics would be invalid because we do not know the underlying physical mechanism for genes. In fact, the standard model of particle physics would be pseudoscience because we don't know what underlying mechanism causes the particle zoo.

It is not a "pseudoscience" because the entire scientific method is involved in using the metric, and as I pointed out, we can understand a lot of things about this metric using population genetics. You have supplied no reason to believe that IQ measurements and the subsequent inquiries about them are pseudoscience, in particular because there is no reason to believe this and it is not pseudoscience.

>>7967772

You are incorrect because you entirely missed the point of many of the responses. /pol/ is more correct than /sci/ on this issue precisely because their estimation of how genetics causes variance in IQ against socioeconomic status is correct. The point of socioeconomic status not mattering has been gone over many times. The gap is anywhere from 70-85% genetic in adulthood. The entire point being that when adjusted for socioeconomic status, the gap is reduced by about 1/3 of a standard deviation at the very most, and it is not true that 99% of blacks and whites will fall into the overlap area.

>People are naturally drawn to skin color

This is incorrect because skin color is not race. No racial categorization lumps Punjabis from the Indian subcontinent with Mestizos or Africans because racial identification is not based on skin color. Search Tang et al. for a demonstration that self-identified racial categorization lumps together in an almost entirely discrete way using microsatellite cluster analysis.

>> No.7967995
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7967995

>>7967125
Your answer and logic does not explain the superior thought process, level of understanding, planning ability and ability to perceive information when comparing races.

Inferior intelligence can also be easily observed in general society and its behavior/decisions in everyday life. It is extremely obvious, when looking at general intelligence of races, that Asians come on the top, followed by White people, Hispanics on the third place and finally black people at fourth place.

About your Asian to White statement, its already well known that when taking academic contributions White Europeans will come on top followed by Asians because of the cultural differences and the way of how society works, while White Europeans tend to rely more on their abstract and planning side Asians tend to rely more on logic, self-awareness and understanding which is why White Europeans are more creative than Asian people.

Also, you should be able to see that for yourself when looking at individuals of the each race, you will rarely see an Asian person of average intelligence make illogical decisions while that is more coming with White people because of the said creativity.

>> No.7968013

>>7967079

Most people know perfectly well, either "deep down inside" as it were, or otherwise based upon science, that the races are different in terms of intellectual ability. However, the reasons why we dance around this issue in public/polite company are many and varied. I'm thinking especially of the USA, and United States culture around this topic.

The first clause of the second sentence of our founding document, the proposition to which Lincoln referred in his Gettysburg address, reads as follows: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." Another century later, Dr. King, himself also a religious man, would refer to this narrative. 'Equality' of human beings, whether under the law, as God's special creation, or in the secular abstract, is a central element of the national religion as it were, to which reference is constantly given. It /sounds/ good, so much so that the founders, though they did not fully understand their own formulation, were prepared to state it as an axiom. It is an unscientific statement that has made it possible for us to organize our lives. It is also false.

To really, fully and formally accept the basic factual differences among human racial groups, especially in terms of intelligence, has very obvious policy implications which had been successfully implemented (albeit more crudely, and invoking religion) in the past, but moderns have been so scandalized by the products of these organizations, that (we) would rather state a pleasant axiom and leave the matter unexamined in a meaningful, which is to say a scientific, way. Except in those situations when we do examine the issue, but it is commonly necessary to suppress, or at least give minimal attention to them.

cont.

>> No.7968032

>>7967813

This post demonstrates even further that you cannot conceptualize heritability and ways it can change through time correctly. Heritability is the proportion of variance in a given measure between two populations that can be attributed to differences in genes, whilst the rest is then attributable to environmental differences. The fact that you are making sarcastic hypotheses trying to explain this in terms of gene pool transformations shows that you are dumber than the average person and that you do not understand what heritability means.

>> No.7968036

>>7967995

This is near irrelevant because theories of multiple intelligence types are not mutually exclusive with single-factor intelligence or the predictive importance of single-factor intelligence. In fact, they are largely supplemental.

>> No.7968040

>>7968013

Devil's advocate: in point of fact, history does teach us that when you are able to recognize another group of humans as inferior, then it does naturally become easier to treat them poorly, if not exterminate them. This is what /pol/ regularly leaves unsaid. Blacks, jews, asian ethnic minorities etc know this. They are therefore obliged to make impossible their own oppression by means of appealing to moral sensibilities, and to ignore their own shortcomings, in the interest of survival. But of course, this entails the unscientific, uplifting and false premise that human beings are equal (or distinctly, should be treated as such). And most people, especially blacks themselves, recognize that the former premise is factually false, even if they don't want to admit it in polite American company. Many people have to hold down jobs.

So, every era of history has its taboo. Cast out of a tribe. A few centuries ago, you didn't want to be a weird old unmarried woman for fear of being accused of witchcraft. At many other times, you did not want to be found out as homosexual. Today's taboo is to have the conversation about race and intelligence, which was allowed previously. Because our western society has seen multiple genocides, thought that colonialism was mean, and has decided not to treat of this subject scientifically. We have instead opted to live with a pleasant fiction which is supposed to make life more pleasant for all, because we are supposed to have seen what happens when you allow that other men are inferior. Except that when you allow for an untruth at any level of your society, especially at the most fundamental and simplest levels, it will eventually build on itself, as lies always do, and lead to catastrophe. This is where the open rejection of reality that PC culture entails is currently veering, and again, most people sense this on some level. Many are sick of it.

The events in Europe seem to be jostling a few people, but not fast enough.

>> No.7968041

>>7967906

But psychology is a science, and the /sci/ meme of psychology not being a science is wrong because psychology follows the scientific method. In fact, racial intelligence differences are one of the most robust results in psychology, and so are not even subjected to the "replication crisis" meme of psychology.

The fact of racial intelligence differences being genetic in character is not even psychology per se, but is population genetics.

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7968066

>>7967995
>what he said

I have been studying human intelligence and behavior for 7 years now and this guy just somewhat summed it up for you retards that think otherwise, also there are gene relations and mixing of races in the 'equation' so all you get is 97% and above accuracy because of that but it still shows how intellectual abilities differ from Caucasian races all the way to Negroid races.

>> No.7968093

>>7968041
>psychology
>science
>since it follows the scientific method

i'll give you a kek with p < 0.9

>> No.7968108
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7968108

>/pol/tards spam board with racebaiting threads week in and week out
>rightly told to fuck off back to their containment board
>HURRRR TYPICAL LIBTARD SJWS REDDITOR WHY DO YOU KEEP DERAILING SCIENCE THREADS WITH YOUR SPAM?
>I CAME HERE FOR SCIENCE DISCUSSION, WHY DO YOU KEEP DERAILING MY REPETITIVE GARBAGE THREADS THAT SHIT UP YOUR BOARD
Fuuuuck off already.

Daily reminder that stormniggers were once considered as bad as ponyfags, so much that they both needed their own containment boards. Except /pol/ got theirs first because they were far more cancerous.

>> No.7968115

>>7968066
It is clear the data is skewed. The results just confirm economic and social development (access to schools, education, social stability, crime level, etc) play a part in IQ tests success, more than racial differences of intelligence. Maybe if any of these studies divided racial groups according to class, it would show a clearer picture. Nevertheless, we all know IQ tests can't measure intelligence really.....

>> No.7968116

>>7967079
Because going the other way and saying that there are differences creates more problems. But going all-in in either direction is a dumb idea anyways. Our species would be much better off if we saw the world in infra-red, so that every human's skin color was neglected altogether. We'd treat the world for what it is, and disregard racial bickering that only wastes time and energy.

>> No.7968124

>>7968108
> calls them /pol/tards
> i-im not redditard SJW guise
Nobodys looking for a fight but you, you butthurt SJWtard. Don't come here and derail the threads, then write the shit you did with greentext as if it gives you some right to shitpost in every thread you see.

We're only here to discuss, you're only here to derail and spam garbage posts.

Hide the thread and leave if you don't like it.

>> No.7968135

>>7968036
there is no multiple intelligence types, intelligence is not like personality so you can separate it in to different types, intelligence is measured in logic, memory, planning, learning ability, self-awareness, problem solving...etc.
so you can not generalize all of those abilities in to one, that's why all single factor intelligence or intelligence type theories are illogical and therefore can not be used as valid evidence in an argument which relies on logic.
and that is also what the guy you were replying to kind of said in his second and third sentence.

to keep it short; both intelligence type theories and single factor intelligence theories are nothing but theories until proven otherwise, which wont happen. Intelligence is a set of abilities which all humans have but some humans exceed way above the average point in some or all of the abilities and some fall bellow average point. This actually comes way closer to the single factor theories than to multiple type theories.

Now that you know this, look at the intellectual property of each race, you will see that in between Asians and European White people, Asians generally tend to do way better on intelligence tests as well as in real life situations.
But as >>7967995 said, White Europeans will come on top followed by Asians because of the cultural differences and the way of how their society works/the way they *have* to think, while White Europeans tend to rely more on their abstract and planning side Asians tend to rely more on logic, self-awareness and understanding... >which explains the academic contribution rate differences inbetween Asians and White Europeans.
>Same applies to comparing all races.

>> No.7968138

>>7968124
We have this thread literally every day.

You are a stormnigger and you don't give a fuck about science, you just want justification for being a stormnigger.

Fuck off back to your containment board, you friendless dicksuck.

>> No.7968141

>>7968138
> pure shitposting, inane namecalling and ad-hominems
Thanks for outing yourself as the cancerous SJWtard that you are. You can leave now.

>> No.7968143

>>7968141
I think I will stay and call you a fucking faggot stormnigger until this thread is pruned.

>> No.7968146

>>7968141
Get a load of the hypocrisy, holy shit. Literally repeated his post, replacing stormnigger with SJWtard.

>> No.7968147

>>7968141
>>7968143
Both of you are cancerous.

>> No.7968151

>>7968143
>>7968146
You don't belong to a science board. I haven't seen one scientific argument coming from you autistist. All you do is post memes and ad-hominems literally all day long.
You are the fucking cancer simply calling other people cancer. If you are not interested in the thread subject, LEAVE. Nothing gives you the right to shitpost and flood the threads with pure garbage.

Now fuck off back to whatever anus you crawled out of.

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7968157

>>7968147
I don't give a fuck, we have this thread literally every day. We get it, /pol/ thinks blacks are dumb.

Look how edgy and controversial he's being by
stating this on an anonymous imageboard! Wow, what a free thinker and iconoclast amirite? Anyone who's sick of his repetitive bullshit must be SJWtard, that's the only reason that everybody finds him insufferable and he doesn't have any real friends to banter with so he comes to /sci/ over and over to post the same fucking thread over again and again because he gets off on being insulted and called a cuck retard.

>> No.7968162

>>7968115
>we all know IQ tests can't measure intelligence really.....
yes while this is ture, you still get the somewhat accurate general picture of intellectual abilities for every race, no matter what the social, economic...etc status is, the outcome wont change, it will stay the same, the IQ scores averages are the same for every race no matter what conditions they are living in.

Look at it this way, it does not matter what formula you are going to use if you get the correct answer to the given problem.
Its just logic...

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7968165

>>7968151
>LEAVE
>Nothing gives you the right
>now fuck off
You sound really upset. Are you mad that you can't stop me from posting in YOUR shitposting thread when you're the one breaking global rule 3?

Sucks to be a stormnigger I guess
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/
>>>/pol/

>> No.7968168

>>7968157
I agree, but it's not like you're convincing him.

>> No.7968169

>>7968157
> literally posts the same spam image in every thread
> literally the same /pol/ boogeyman template shitpost

Hide the thread and move on to the thread you're interested in you fucking retard. But no, you have to come here and derail with calling people nazis who are doing nothing but calmly discussing something so natural.

You are the fucking cancer, trying to justify your relentless shitposting with /pol/ boogeyman even though less than 1/10 posts in the thread said something like niggers are dumb or something.

Please fuck off. And please stop trying to speak on behalf of /sci/ with your /b/-tier shitposting and namecalling. Nobody wants you here.

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7968175

>>7968169
Stay mad /pol/fag

>> No.7968176

>>7968169
the fact you feel like you have to point all that out shows you know its bullshit

>> No.7968178

>>7968165
> constant shitopsting and ad-homniems
> any post he doesnt like is somehow racism.
> bitches about people breaking rules
> so mad that he resorts to image flooding

>>>/trash/
>>>/mlp/
>>>/b/

back to your home shitposter.

>> No.7968180

>>7968169
Hahaa you are so fucking mad that you get called out about being a /pol/ shitter

>>7968175
rolling

>> No.7968181

so some on OP, post your sources so we can demolish them like we did every other time you made this shit thread and why am i even here goodbye

>> No.7968182

>>7968175
Fuck it, I guess I'll roll.

>> No.7968186

The SJWtard invasion has to stop.

>> No.7968189

>>7968180
calm down kid. go be racist elsewhere

>> No.7968191

>>7968186
>a-a-a-anyone who calls me out on being from a containment board is SJWtard!
Just stop

>> No.7968192

>>7967994
> /pol/ is more correct than /sci/ on this issue precisely because their estimation of how genetics causes variance in IQ against socioeconomic status is correct. The point of socioeconomic status not mattering has been gone over many times.

This says literally nothing. I'm not arguing that there's no genetic factor. I'm arguing that socioeconomic status IS a factor, and the when you leave ONLY genetics, the difference is smaller than the numbers that have been spouted like in the OP pic. I said don't quote me on the numbers, yet you did anyway.

>>7968151
I've posted plenty of science but get retarded responses like
>but blacks commit more crime
>correlation isn't causation

You know, hypocritical stuff like that.

>> No.7968194

>>7968175
rollan

>> No.7968197

>>7968191
> people hes to respect containment boards
> came here all the way from reddit

Is hypocrisy and shitposting a general tradition for all you SJWtards ? Why are you here in the first place if you don't believe in evolution ?

Are you literally fucking retarded ?

>> No.7968198

/pol/, please post the proof, or get out.

>> No.7968200

>>7968189
hey stop copying my posting style you fucking mong

>> No.7968202

>>7968192
> blacks commit more crime is a retarded response
> facts that hurt my feelings are not facts

Thats why you're a joke and nobody takes you seriously. Even black people don't deny they have higher crime rates, but they try to justify it somehow. You outright deny every fact everyone in this thread knows like we don't go out in the streets or live near ghettos or watch the news.

You and your fellow SJWtards have singlehandedly became a meme :^)

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>>7968197
>Why are you here in the first place if you don't believe in evolution ?
wew lad that strawman is strong

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7968213

>>7968205
> e-evolution doesn't exist guise, god created all men equal
oh poor sjwtard child...

>> No.7968214

>>7968202
I'm not him, but you're retarded if you don't understand his argument. The OP is about influence of nature on intelligence, and talking about crime rate is an obvious derailment that's off-topic.

>> No.7968217

>>7968202
>complains about correlation not being causation when referred to stats about crime vis-a-vis socioeconomic status
>posts spurious correlations about MUH BLACK CRIME RATE
get out /pol/

>> No.7968221

honestly whats going on in this thread
definitely a raid, sci is never this fast

>> No.7968223

>>7968214
Higher crime rate naturally comes with low intelligence and education and can't be more related to the subject.

>> No.7968224

>>7968175
please get alyssa with these dubs

>> No.7968230

>>7968217
> only /pol/ talks about crime rates and nobody in other boards are allowed to.
It's so cute when you try to act like you're in charge :^)

>> No.7968232

>>7968202
Oh yea, forgot one more retarded response:
>denying facts cuz muh feelings

When did I deny that? This is the only reason I want /pol/ to go away. You literally argue like a child. Changing the subject, strawmanning, ad-hominem, every fallacy in the book. Holy shit. That is not how /sci/ works, so please go away. I would rather have arguments over 0.999... = 1.

>> No.7968244

>>7968232
> anything I don't like is /pol/
Typical sjwtard autism. no wonder why nobodys giving you replies. You literally denied the intellectual differences that came with evolution. You deny every aspect of evolution that creates haplogroups and phenotypes because they don't conform your denialist perspective.
Why are you even surprised that you're told to fuck off every time ? You're not here to discuss anything related to science.

>> No.7968251

>>7968230
Why would most of the boards on this website talk about black crime rates?

What do crime rates have to do with science and math buddy? Why are you posting about them on /sci/? Sociology isn't a science.

You are making my point for me that you need to go back to /pol/. You must really enjoy being called a faggot when you shit up other boards.

>> No.7968258

>>7968223
>Higher crime rate naturally comes with low intelligence
Now prove this.

>> No.7968266

>>7968251
> Why would most of the boards on this website talk about black crime rates?
Why do people talk about daily stuff right ? its ridiculous...
> What do crime rates have to do with science and math buddy? Why are you posting about them on /sci/? Sociology isn't a science.
Why do you assume the black crime rate is the limit to the discussion about evolutionary outcomes ? Why do you even thinks it shouldn't be discussed.

> /pol/
/pol/ is for politics and news. Genetics and evolutionary differences is NOT a subject of politics, nor teached in political science classes. It belongs to here and nowhere else.

>> No.7968271

>>7968266
Bringing up crime rates on unrelated boards is off-topic shitposting and borderline cross-board raiding

Just get out.

>> No.7968274

>>7968258
People with a primitive mind are less civilized and respectful. Did you really needed to be told that ?

>> No.7968277

>>7968244
More strawman and ad hominem. I didn't deny any of that. But showing the OP pic as proof of those things is bad science. If you want to properly analyze it, I am all for it. When it's mis-analyzed I'm going to cticize it, because that's what scientists do. If you can't accept that criticism, you don't belong here.

>> No.7968278

>>7968271
> anything I don't like is raiding.
You've got to explain how crime rates are not related to intelligence.

>> No.7968279

>>7968278
Was never denied. Try again.

>> No.7968280

>>7968274
is that why /pol/ insults everybody when told to post on the correct boards for their topic and provide sources for their claims?

>> No.7968284

>>7968277
But you're not a scientist, nor do follow any scientific method. You only name-called and shitposted the entire thread. And you have zero value as a critic, you need actual counter-arguments if you want to join a discussion.

>> No.7968287

>>7968280
People tell you to fuck off because it's a self-righteous SJWtard tradition to tell anyone they don't like to go off to some other board. I'm still waiting you to prove how these people are from /pol/

>> No.7968288

>>7968284
You don't know I am clearly, as I haven't done any of that. I have not used the scientific method, but I have pointed out that neither has /pol/, and mis-analyzed in numerous other ways.

>> No.7968290

>>7968274
Your argument is basically

>Dumb people will do bad things, because they're dumb.

This isn't readily apparent to me, nor many people. You need empirical data to support it. So like I said:

>Now prove this.

>> No.7968291

>>7968175
Fug

>> No.7968324

>It's a /pol/ comes on /sci/ to find scientific backing to his racist claims but gets mad when he doesn't find any episode.
SJW has already been mentioned 16 times so you know /pol/ must be pretty disappointed.

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7968326

>>7967139
>>psychology
>>science
le psychology isn't a science meme xDD

>> No.7968350

>>7968287
>People tell you to fuck off because it's a self-righteous SJWtard tradition to tell anyone they don't like to go off to some other board.
topkek you really must be new to 4chan or something, /pol/ is the fastest growing board with tons of newfags and cancerous redditors anyways.

People have been telling eachother to fuck off back to /pol/, /b/, /r9k/, /a/, /x/, /pol/, /news/, /g/, /v/, etc for a looong time. long before SJWs became a thing

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7968387

Daily reminder that /pol/ (or more accurately, stormfront) accuses people of being from reddit as a psyop redirection technique because they know that 4chan hates reddit and it's a good way to discredit someone while blending into the greater board culture.

Pic EXTREMELY related.

>> No.7968438

>>7968387
watch this thread die now

>> No.7968441

>>7968202
I forgot that correllations are only causations when they support the /pol/tard argument. Thanks for reminding me.
>what are confounding variables?
>cum hoc ergo propter hoc? Get out of here with your muslim-speak!

Rolling.

>> No.7968449

lets make a thread where we invite everyone to test their iq, anyone who scores <100 gets a lifetime ban

>> No.7968458

>>7968449
>yfw /pol/ and /b/ no longer exist

>> No.7968494

>>7968387
> da ebil whiteys
AHAHAHAHAHHA point at this conspiritard and laugh

>> No.7968558

>>7968032

>>7968032

And the fact you keep strawmanning your way out of the core topic shows either your unwillingness to address the issue head on or the inability to answer it at all outside throwing a term and definition as an argument.

Again where does this fit in East Asians lack of contribution compared to Europeans? If you personally believe that it's base on heritability than explain it instead of grandstanding like some idiot.

A definition and insult does not count as an argument.

>> No.7968794

>>7968175
roll

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7968939

>>7967079
Not everything is defined by genetics faggot.

There's many factors and misleading reasons to why some racial groups have less IQ, one of them is the difference in enviromnment, and you're ignoring That factor.

Also,
>believing a question list can accurately quantify one's intelligence.

>> No.7968942

>>7967150
But in this specific thread subject, it's implied that we're trying to link genetics and psychology.

>> No.7969054

Is IQ even accurate?

>> No.7969089

>>7968175
They stay in prison right

>> No.7969176

>>7967125
Nice cultural psychology major. Get off /sci/