Double standards on homosexuality and pedophilia

[Anonymous No.7950323]

Since homosexuality is not considered as an illness, why is pedophilia?
I understand, that homosexuallity is not harmful to society and therefore should be allowed. Pedophilia on the other hand is considered as harmful and therefore must be stopped. But isn't considering it as an illness wrong, if you don't consider homosexuality as an illness, although both are phenomenons of the same type?

[Anonymous No.7950333]

First things first: are you talking about true pedophilia, or are you including ephebophilia and hebephilia?

[Anonymous No.7950346]

The definition of an illness hinges for a considerable part on whether it is unpleasant for the bearer. Homosexuality need not be unpleasant; pedophilia is not an easy thing to live with, in today's society.

[Anonymous No.7950350]

>>7950323
You are surprised that modern social opinion on pedophiles is hypocritical? Yes, pedophilia is the new homosexuality in terms of persecution, with the difference being that pedophilia can have adverse effects on the child, which then makes pedophilia less likely to be legalised.

P.S. You're on the wrong board.

[Anonymous No.7950364]

>>7950333
I'm talking about true pedophilia

>>7950346
It isn't easy to live with homosexuality in today's society either. And It is possible to live in a society, which doesn't give a shit about your affinity for little kids (just think about forced marriages between a 40 and 8-year-old)

>>7950350
I thought asking this on /b/, but they would probably just start calling me homosexual or pedophilic. I'm not one of this things. I want a serious discussion.

[Anonymous No.7950369]

Probably because one is between consenting adults and the other is between a consenting adult and a child too young to consent

[Anonymous No.7950374]

>>7950323
The discussion becomes semantic real quick.
You can make a solid case that both homosexuality and pedophilia are mental disorders. In this context, a system is in disorder when it does not perform the functions is was naturally selected for. Clearly this has no moral significance in a normative way.

Now, the term illness has a lot of baggage. Most of the time mental disorder and illness is used interchangeably, but the latter strongly implies a detriment in health - personally or socially.

If homosexuality is not unhealthy, I would not consider it an illness. Pedophilia is pretty clearly unhealthy, so I would. People are right to argue that in this case what is healthy depends on the social structure. But if you think that that disqualifies the term than you know nothing about psychological disorders. The criteria of psychological health for an individual absolutely depends on the social system it is a part of.

I know that doesn't answer your question directly but I feel it's enough to understand the situation

[Anonymous No.7950383]

>>7950350
>homosexuality doesn't have negative effects on the participants and society as a whole
>GRIDS

[Anonymous No.7950407]

>>7950374
>The discussion becomes semantic real quick.
this

[Anonymous No.7950415]

a key criterion for disorders is that the symptoms must be maladaptive; they must have negative consequences on the individual

[Anonymous No.7950496]

>>7950323
illness = anything which fucks with your life .
homosexuality isnt one because you can just bang some dudes and suck dick , dosnt hurt you and is perfectly acceptable . pedo isnt acceptable , is illegal and immoral and thus is labeled an illness .

[Anonymous No.7950526]

>>7950415
so a rich guy with enough money to maintain a kiddie sex dungeon in thailand isn't ill because it doesn't affect him negatively?

[Anonymous No.7950653]

>>7950526
>so a rich guy with enough money to maintain a kiddie sex dungeon in thailand isn't ill because it doesn't affect him negatively?
It negatively affects the kiddie sex slaves so it's still an illness. Maybe he doesn't see it that way but the kiddies probably do.

The rough definition of mental illness, is something that makes you dysfunctional in daily life. If you have to be rich or move to a corrupt society or exploit people unable to consent, then that's dysfunctional. OTOH, you can suck dick and take it in the arse all day and so long as you turn up to your bar-tending job, you're fine. Being gay doesn't interfere with most normal life situations. Well, once you control for religion anyway but that's assumed in the context of /sci/ conversations.

[Anonymous No.7950667]

>>7950369
I don't know why this always gets ignored.

[Anonymous No.7950668]

>>7950653
>Being gay doesn't interfere with most normal life situations

The more homosexuality becomes acceptable, the less of an illness it becomes?

[Anonymous No.7950671]

Zoophilia > pedophilia, bubs

[Anonymous No.7950677]

>>7950668
The degree to which a behavior is socially accepted is a function of control over what is an illness.

[Anonymous No.7950679]

>>7950364
Dude, don't use any board for serious general discussion except for maybe /adv/... Reddit and youtube are exceptionally good at that

[Anonymous No.7950680]

>>7950526
>>7950323
Two consenting gay men are not harming each other. A pedophile has his little slaves/groomed child sex partners, which hurts the child.

You may as well say that non-consensual sex isn't immoral if you in your logic thing pedophilia is fine.

A child isn't mentally developed enough to consent a psychologically complicated thing such as sex. If they can't reason what death is, or why killing is wrong, etc, without just factoring "because it's bad", then they shouldn't be able to consent sex either. Same goes with mentally retarded adults.

[Anonymous No.7950688]

>>7950383
Not in principle. If statistics are fair game you could just as easily say being a black male is a mental illness due to the much higher rate of violent crime.

[Anonymous No.7950692]

>>7950680
>If they can't reason what death is, or why killing is wrong, etc, without just factoring "because it's bad", then they shouldn't be able to consent sex either. Same goes with mentally retarded adults

Well shit. Now you're putting the world on a universal dryspell

[Anonymous No.7950701]

>>7950323
Recently I came across a trove of CP and a few things occured to me. Well, these <11yo kids are posing nude and semi-nude, and I was wondering about the role of the parents, if any. I imagine all children need some father-mother figure in one way or another, and once they're older, I was curious about how they would feel about the whole thing. Of course, some make the argument that it's all consensual, and of course most children aren't able to fully comprehend it. But when they're older, and understand raging lust, would they doubt their parents, or maybe even themselves? I feel like this is where the psychological damage kicks in, not including everyone telling you something bad happened and that you're damaged goods or whatever.

[Anonymous No.7950706]

Homosexuality is an illness just like pedophilia. It is not harmful to anyone though, and doesnt need to be treated or monitored for people to live happily.

[Anonymous No.7950708]

Children can't consent.

That's the big difference.

[Anonymous No.7950713]

>>7950708
"Stranger danger"

We teach that concept because most kids are literally unable to fully comprehend the ramifications of hopping into my van and driving off to the outskirts of the city.

[Anonymous No.7950733]

I was recently in the philippines, and there were half-naked dancing 6-8 year olds (working) at a "savage village" tourism place where they blow fire and play drums and do the most stereotypical native village stuff. It just struck me as bizarre because that would be an offense punishable probably by 10+ years in prison in Canada.

barely related to the thread i guess

[Anonymous No.7950800]

>>7950323
I don't think you can consider them illness of the same type. Unless you can find an 8 year old who can consciously say and explain their relationship with a pedophile. Homosexuality didn't really take advantage of anyone. I'd there is abuse in a gay relationship it doesn't stem from them being gay.

[Anonymous No.7950886]

>>7950364
>I thought asking this on /b/, but they would probably just start calling me homosexual or pedophilic.

This is why.

[Anonymous No.7950902]

>>7950346
>The definition of an illness hinges for a considerable part on whether it is unpleasant for the bearer.
nice personal opinion

[Anonymous No.7950904]

>>7950350
>Yes, pedophilia is the new homosexuality in terms of persecution, with the difference being that pedophilia can have adverse effects on the child, which then makes pedophilia less likely to be legalised.
this is why most boys would not mind to be chosen as a provider for orgasms by their attractive female teachers.

[Anonymous No.7950909]

>>7950323
the same reason you have to be old enough to get tried as an adult

[Anonymous No.7950910]

Pedophilia will never be legal in liberal societies because people have too few children, for children to be considered an abundant resource.
Children today are praised and sanctified to the point where laws are justified as **for the sake of the child**, like when mothers can impose a fatherhood on a man in saying "it is normal for the father to pay up, because the child is here now, so for the sake of the child, it must be provided for (even though the child should never have lived at all)''

[Anonymous No.7950912]

>>7950708
>Children can't consent.
show me when adults have ever consented to anything.

[Anonymous No.7950918]

>>7950902
huh??

[Anonymous No.7950926]

>>7950526
ethics aside, he's spending a whole lot of money on an obsession of his that his condition drives him to follow. that's maladaptive all right.
and of course the whole thing of what civilized societies do to people who molest children...

[Anonymous No.7950932]

>>7950323
Because society changes its standards, in 3000 years we might start thinking fucking boys is fun again.

[Anonymous No.7950933]

>>7950910
>19
>single mom
How do you fuck up that bad? Why wouldn't you immediately get an abortion?

[Anonymous No.7951238]

>>7950369
This.

Also, pedophiles just do it because of their selfish sexual needs without regard for the child, which makes the act malicious.

[Anonymous No.7951264]

>>7950933
I have a friend who had two children by two different men by the age of 20. Life can be real cruel sometimes and people can be real stupid.

[Anonymous No.7951267]

>>7950910
Is this Tinder? Why would you post a picture of your child on there? You're just asking for pedos to swipe right.

[Anonymous No.7951272]

>>7950323
Because pedophilia and child molestation are constantly conflagrated. Advocating for pedophile rights is career suicide, since the general public assumes there's no difference between that and molesting a child.

It's why there are motions to ban loli and shota drawings, those child-sized fleshlights/dildos, and even the development of sexual robots in general.

I mean, the most basic homosexual argument is that it's not a choice, that some people are hard-wired to only get sexual satisfaction from a specific thing. The same logic applies to pedophiles, yet they're not allowed to sate their urges even through methods that don't harm a child. Even admitting to it leads to social and economic ostracization. It must be torture for them, and it's probably why there are so many suicides.

[Anonymous No.7951275]

>>7951272
>those child-sized fleshlights/dildos
This exists?

[Anonymous No.7951277]

>>7951275
Not in the West.
Other cultures understand and embrace it, though.

[Anonymous No.7951278]

Homosex = two consenting faggots fuckin
nothing wrong with that

Pedophilia and the other *philia variants of child abuse = Child rape, since underages cannot legally consent.

The difference is clear as fuck

[Anonymous No.7951283]

If the satiation of your sexual desires requires you to break the law, they're impeding on your ability to function normally in daily life.

[Anonymous No.7951285]

It's easy to understand.
Children are too stupid to understand the consequences of having sex and the implications of being seduced.
>>7950910
Nice hypothesis.
>>7950912
It's practic terminology. That's how law works.
You propose an alternative law, and the law considers which one is more beneficial to the society and the families.

Also, there are two main types of pedophiles:
-Situational=Lonelyness and anxiety lead this person to develop an attraction to children. He acts occasionally and feels shame after nutting.
-Primary=He suffered an unusual sexual education/suffered from abuse. Doesn't feel shame. Avoids children's feelings.

[Anonymous No.7951287]

>>7951283
The problem here is when the law goes beyond that, to punish people who are sating those desires without breaking the law, simply because of their biological needs.

You get caught with drawn child porn, you go to jail. You try to develop software to emulate the experience, you go to jail.

Justify this.

[Anonymous No.7951292]

>>7951287
> justify what ? a measure taken to prevent child rape ?

[Anonymous No.7951293]

>>7951292
How do 2D drawings of children promote child rape?

[Anonymous No.7951297]

>>7951287
Well I don't think either of those should be illegal. Are they illegal in the West or just in specific places? If you're >>7951272, I fully agree with you. Pedophiles who don't act on their needs and don't hurt anyone should be helped (in form of therapy and maybe medication if they want it), not ostracized.

[Anonymous No.7951299]

Problem with this in Western society, at least where I live is that people are very judgemental and make assumptions quickly. People will automatically think of things based on simple social triggers.

What I'm getting at is.. I'm terrified of the prospect of looking after or playing with children. I have no problem being a competent nurturer. Nor am I a pedophile. But I have the irrational fear of being labeled as one. You'd think, "well that's ridiculous, it's not like anyone would think that unless you walk up to a child and grope them blatantly".

Well idk, unless it were my child, I would not like to have the responsibility of being around them. I don't dislike children though. I guess society instilled this fear in me.

>inb4 you must not be a functional human being
I'm not a NEET. Maybe my fears were amplified after watching "The Hunt" though...

[Anonymous No.7951301]

There's far less argument about being able to marry a 14 year old than there is in allowing homosexuals to marry. Imagine being able to marry a girl before she becomes a whore and being able to groom her into becoming a model wife?

[Anonymous No.7951302]

>>7950323
>homosexuallity is not harmful to society
lol

[Anonymous No.7951303]

>>7951297
I am both those posters.

>should be helped (in form of therapy and maybe medication if they want it), not ostracized.
This is the only thing I disagree with. Imagine if we treated gays this way, saying that homosexuals needed to go through therapy and drugs to stop being gay? You would be called inhumane.

[Anonymous No.7951307]

>>7950369
But its just fine to give children hormone suppressors and what not...

[Anonymous No.7951308]

>>7951293
>How do 2D drawings of children promote child rape?
This is the main topic of discussion. There is no coherent research focusing the link between lolicon pornography and child rape.

[Anonymous No.7951309]

>>7951293
Because drawn child rape depicts and promotes child rape. It's a very simple logic, I don't think you'll be able to get around this one.

[Anonymous No.7951312]

>>7951302
well the alternative to homosexuality (trying to force people to not be faggots) is obviously a lot worse for society.

only in the mind of people who take offense at the very idea of homosexuality is it really that bad but those people are few and irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.7951313]

>>7951303
But anon. You will never fulfill those desires. They fear that we pedos would rape their children someday.

[Anonymous No.7951315]

>>7951313
> someone is full of desire to kill innocent people
> has snuff videos and all kind of red flags of being a murderer
> They fear that we killer would kill their loved ones someday.
oh gee...

[Anonymous No.7951316]

>>7951303
I'm not saying they should be medicated, but there are plenty of pedophiles who do want the medication that will stop the feelings that make their life harder. Obviously both therapy and medication should be voluntary but at least the former seems necessary to me since they can't really talk about their feelings to others out of fear of being judged (or worse).

[Anonymous No.7951317]

>>7951299
>Jagten
Good film

Honestly the best horror film without spoopy ghosts and skeletons. Realistic situations make for best horror movies.

[Anonymous No.7951318]

>>7951307
Anon. You are talking like extreme feminists.
There is a reason why laws are created. You could propose an alternative possibility,; that's how law works.
>>7951308
So, we should ban loli rape doujins?

[Anonymous No.7951319]

>>7951309
That doesn't make sense, though.
I mean, by your logic, violent video games depict and promote violence, yet people who play them have been shown not to grow any new violent behaviors. There have been accredited studies proving this.
Or TV shows, movies, or other media that depict other illegal actions. Do you think shows like Game of Thrones should be banned for promoting graphic violence?

If anything, banning non-harmful pedophilic content (like drawings, simulations, etc) will have the opposite effect. Pedophiles won't stop being pedophiles just because it's illegal, just like gay people won't stop being gay just because homosexuality is illegal. By banning this non-harmful content, you're making it more difficult for these people to sate their hard-wired desires.

A pedophile who can't even legally look at a drawing of a child will be more likely to release those urges violently. You're just backing them into a corner, giving them no way to sate their biological needs. It's why there are so many suicides.

[Anonymous No.7951320]

>>7951299
>Problem with this in Western society, at least where I live is that people are very judgemental and make assumptions quickly. People will automatically think of things based on simple social triggers.
This is not a Western thing, people are dumb everywhere.

I sort of understand your feelings, I remember flying as an unaccompanied minor when I was 16 and my parents being told that I was either going to be seated by myself in a row or next to a woman but that adult men weren't allowed to sit next to unaccompanied children.

[Anonymous No.7951321]

>>7951318
>so we should ban loli rape doujins?
Yes. Only vanilla loli sex and headpats should be allowed

[Anonymous No.7951323]

>>7951313
As technology advanced, we're getting closer. Drawings can now be distributed globally, instantly. 3D rendering has gotten to a point where a computer model can look realistic. We're getting VR sets like the Oculus with feedback hardware that can simulate it almost perfectly.

We're almost at a point where you can be a successful pedophile without ever interacting with an actual, real child, even indirectly. It's just a question of convincing the public.

[Anonymous No.7951324]

>>7951315
I'm not trying to defend that opinion, but they think like that.
>>7951309
This >>7951318

>>7951321
This

[Anonymous No.7951325]

>>7951319
>It's why there are so many suicides.
You shouldn't have said that. It's what they want.
"I hate people who like these drawings so let's ban them so they kill themselves. Win win situation right guys?"

[Anonymous No.7951327]

>>7951319
homosexuality isn't harmful since both parties agree to the same thing.

pedophilia is child abuse and only one party is illegally penetrating other party.

And yes violent videogames DO have a negative effect on people and are usually banned in certain countries. Hence Hitman, Counterstrike, MaxPayne, GTA and the new Hatred game got instantly banned on many countries.

There is no way you can get around to having pedo fapping material and try to convince people it shouldn't be illegal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV3PhvCf_Jg

[Anonymous No.7951330]

>>7951324
yeah, anti-pedophilia is a good way of thinking anon...
and you should start thinking the same way as soon as possible.

[Anonymous No.7951334]

>>7951327
>pedophilia is child abuse and only one party is illegally penetrating other party.
No, pedophilia is the attraction to children and has nothing to do with child abuse. There are many pedophiles who never so much as get near children, thanks to the same line of thinking as you. Please stop conflagarating these two concepts, they're non-related.

>And yes violent videogames DO have a negative effect on people
Studies have shown otherwise. This topic has appeared in both US and international courts for decades now, and it's been debunked several times.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563214004415

Here's a single source I got off the first page of google. I didn't put much effort into finding it.

Other countries banning these video games has been a major source of controversy both internationally and within their respective borders.

[Anonymous No.7951340]

>>7951327
But anon, there are no coherent research about the link between loli japanese pornography and child abuse crime rates.
Also this:>>7951334

>>7951330
I actually prefer to keep baning 3d pedo. You know why:
+demand -> +supply
But loli doujins are not harmful to anyone.
This >>7951285

[Anonymous No.7951345]

>>7951334
> Please stop conflagarating these two concepts, they're non-related.
They are highly related. Just like the relation between a murderer and a murder-fascinated person. All it takes is that sick fuck taking that one little step and bam, someones life is gone. So yeah, not only those two things are related, thats the vital step that needs to be prevented to stop a pedophile from acting.

>>7951340
Anything promoting illegal child abuse needs to be banned for the sake of every childs safety. If you have pedophiliac tendencies, you don't endulge it with further pedo garbage, you get treatment.
People don't go to AA meetings, admit they have alcohol problems and then crack open a beer. No they work on stopping their wrong behaviour.

[Anonymous No.7951350]

>>7951327
That trailer is fucking brutal holy shit, absolutely degenerate.

Downloading now.

[Anonymous No.7951351]

>>7951345
>Anything promoting illegal child abuse needs to be banned for the sake of every childs safety.
But anon, I told you that there is no link between those two topics.
>If you have pedophiliac tendencies, you don't endulge it with further pedo garbage, you get treatment.
But anon, you have no right to break my freedom.
>People don't go to AA meetings, admit they have alcohol problems and then crack open a beer. No they work on stopping their wrong behaviour.
Drinking alcohol hurts them. Fapping occasionally to loli hurts me :-DD

[Anonymous No.7951353]

>>7951345
>They are highly related. Just like the relation between a murderer and a murder-fascinated person.
Because so many people fascinated with killers actually ever harm someone else, right? Wrong.

>People don't go to AA meetings, admit they have alcohol problems and then crack open a beer. No they work on stopping their wrong behaviour.
The equivalent to an alcoholic drinking a beer would be a pedophile actually raping a child, which is not what we're talking about here. If an alcoholic could satisfy his cravings for alcohol in a virtual way without feeling real life consequences, he might to it.

[Anonymous No.7951355]

>>7951327
Fuck you, Angie. I thought we were against censorship.

[Anonymous No.7951358]

>>7951351
There is a direct correlation between indulging a criminal to act on his illegal urges, and a criminal acting on his urges. Saying I can't see a connection doesn't magically make it dissapear
And no you don't have the freedom to rape children. Sorry about that

[Anonymous No.7951365]

>>7951358
>There is a direct correlation between indulging a criminal to act on his illegal urges, and a criminal acting on his urges.
Anon, there is no link in real life, only in your head. If there were a link, countries with pedo-material allowed would have an alarmant child-abuse crime rate, which it doesn't happen.

>And no you don't have the freedom to rape children. Sorry about that.
>fapping=raping someone
Yeah bud

[Anonymous No.7951374]

>>7951353
> Because so many people fascinated with killers actually ever harm someone else, right? Wrong.
So many people fascinated with murders, not murderers. Nice try misinterpreting the argument. Too bad it doesn't help your case.

>>7951365
> There is no link in real life between indulging a criminal to act on his illegal urges, and a criminal acting on his urges.
okay...
You don't have the freedom to own material that promotes and depicts child rape. Otherwise snuff would be legal as well.

[Anonymous No.7951375]

>>7951374
>law doesn't allow
Well, we are discussing this topic ITT

Nice of you to be aware about that.

[Anonymous No.7951377]

>>7951272
And some people are hardwired with the desire to torture, kill or rape people. Let's just accept that too, nobody should risk their career over that.
You still can't put harmful things together with two adults of the same gender who are attracted to each other.

[Anonymous No.7951379]

>>7951375
I don't think its viable to be up for discussion since children cannot consent and penetrating someone without their consent is rape and rape is illegal.

[Anonymous No.7951382]

>>7951379
Nobody's discussing the legality of rape...

[Anonymous No.7951384]

>>7951379
But anon, nobody is defending rape.

[Anonymous No.7951385]

>>7951382
> why is pedophilia illegal ?

[Anonymous No.7951386]

>>7951307
No, that isn't fine. I hope that the kid, like many others who can only get surgery/treatment in adulthood, gets their trans-needs sorted when they're of legal age to do so.
I'm mad about it too anon.

[Anonymous No.7951388]

>>7951382
> Child rape is illegal
> Material promoting child rape should be legal
Is that really your case ?...

[Anonymous No.7951389]

>>7951382
Rape = non-consensual sex
Children = cannot consent

Got to remember this place is out of touch math majors, folks.

[Anonymous No.7951392]

>>7951385
So pedophile=child raper?

The other guy was right. There is always going to be semantic bitches whining about anything.

[Anonymous No.7951397]

>>7951389
tell us what consent means, make us laugh

[Anonymous No.7951399]

>>7951385
Pedophilia ≠ rape

>>7951388
It's not promoting child rape. If anything, it's keeping pedophiles from satisfying their urges on an actual child.

>>7951389
Nobody's talking about adults having sex with children, we're talking about material that doesn't hurt any children but still satisfies pedophiles' urges.

[Anonymous No.7951401]

>>7951397
> let me re-define consent in a personal and vague so pedophilia appears to be legal
:^)

[Anonymous No.7951403]

>>7951399
We're not trying to indulge and allow the pedos to live out their sick fucking fantasies you retarded pedophile. Enabling pedophiles is NOT fixing pedophiles. It only makes them get used to act on their pedophiliac behaviour which is NOT a right thing to do.

[Anonymous No.7951404]

Does /sci/ even hate gays? You all seem to hate everyone else, Jews, transsexuals, blacks.

[Anonymous No.7951405]

>>7951403
>You are allowed to go on mass killing sprees in Grand Theft Auto
>You are not allowed to watch computer-generated child porn

[Anonymous No.7951406]

>>7951401
>I do not know what consent is
>let me speak about consent, since I am a good liberal and totally buy the enlightenment doctrine

[Anonymous No.7951408]

>>7951403
>you retarded pedophile
Chill, I don't want to fuck children.

>Enabling pedophiles is NOT fixing pedophiles.
So you want to "fix" them? Do you really think that's possible and how do you want to do that?

[Anonymous No.7951412]

reminder that liberals have no problem with children having sex with children

[Anonymous No.7951414]

>>7951408
>>So you want to "fix" them?
butthurt as he is, he want to fix anybody who does not behave like he wants

[Anonymous No.7951416]

>>7951403
But anon my behavior doesn't consist on being a raping machine.
Also, there is no link between allowing 2D pedo pornographic material and child raping crimes.

>it's not right. It should be x
That's your argument, right?

[Anonymous No.7951420]

>>7951406
Yeah, then tell us what consent means to you you retarded pedophile. We're listening.

And I'm not a liberal, I'm not trying to liberate pedophiles or criminals in any way, you are.

>>7951408
> what are drug rehabs
> what are AA meetings
> what is psychotherapy

>>7951414
> he want to fix anybody who does not behave like he wants
> if I say "he" maybe I can trick people that the rest of the world doesn't despise pedophiles and want safety for their children
there there pedophile. I hope you get jailed soon and get what you deserve.

[K No.7951421]

>>7951351
>If you have pedophiliac tendencies, you don't endulge it with further pedo garbage, you get treatment.
>If you have gay tendencies, you don't indulge it with further homo garbage, you get treatment.

[Anonymous No.7951422]

>>7951412
>liberals
liberals and haters of pedophiles

[Anonymous No.7951423]

>>7951416
> there is no link between allowing 2D pedo pornographic material and child raping crimes.
Yeah pedophilies are never caught with child pornography...oh wait, they always do !

[K No.7951425]

>>7951358
>Saying I can't see a connection doesn't magically make it dissapear
Adamantly insisting that a connection exists doesn't magically make it appear.

[Anonymous No.7951426]

>>7951422
SJW-tier liberals are a bit more pro-pedo but not all liberals. Conservatives are straight up against pedophilias. So doesn't matter right or left, there is no safe heaven for sick pedo fucks.

[Anonymous No.7951427]

>>7951403
Christ, there are some real autists here

[Anonymous No.7951429]

>>7951425
see : >>7951423
You're getting desperate with each post you child rape fascinated retard

[Anonymous No.7951431]

>>7950369
Probably /thread, but still, pedophiles are told that there's something wrong with them, and that's not true. Just like gays or eteros, they are made in that way. It's not their fault.

It's like the guy from xmen that destroys stuff if he doesn't wear glasses.

[Anonymous No.7951432]

>>7951427
To be honest any ad-hominem coming from a pedophile will have zero worth.

[Anonymous No.7951436]

>>7951431
> murderers are made in that way so lets take them out of jail and let em kill more people since they're made that way xDD
lol

[Anonymous No.7951439]

>>7951423
I remember this case of this guy who was enjoying child porn in his basement, FBI got him and sentenced him to 30 years, that's when he decided to go on a child raping spree. Classic case of why harsh laws tend to backfire, I suppose he decided he had nothing to lose so may as well rape a kid for real.

[Anonymous No.7951441]

>>7951431
>implying gays don't have a mental disorder
We're allowing it, but this doesn't mean it's not a disorder.

Show me the gay or pedo gene.

[Anonymous No.7951443]

>>7951439
> This guarantess that if he wasn't jailed he would definitely not rape children
> No sources of the incident
> One case is enough to prove a point

[Anonymous No.7951445]

>>7951439
And so you see, even watching anime CP (loli is what you fuckos call it) is a symptom of being a pedo.

[Anonymous No.7951446]

>>7950350
But anime taught me that even lolis want the D.

[Anonymous No.7951448]

>>7951441
OCD is also a mental disorder but we're allowing it, because it's not child rape.

[Anonymous No.7951451]

>>7950323

Can you tell me where you saw pedophilia classified as an illness?

I know that people while call pedophiles "sick", but you already know that's in a pretty broad sense.

[Anonymous No.7951460]

>>7951451
Not OP, but DSM-IV, p.527

[Anonymous No.7951463]

>>7951432
All his points are baseless. What's there to debunk? He's comparing pedophilia to alcohol and drug addiction, to gay marriage, and is basically making wild assumptions.

Also, this is 4chan, so what do you expect? Civil, intelligent discussion?

>It only makes them get used to act on their pedophiliac behaviour which is NOT a right thing to do.

Ok, because you're the criminal psychologist expert in the field, with over 40 years of observing the effects of loli porn on those you claim are pedophiles. You have basically proven how ALL pedophiles will eventually rape someone. All of them are degenerates and will turn out exactly how you predict they will - no exceptions to the rule. You're amazing, anon!

[Anonymous No.7951465]

>>7951432
Any ad hominem has zero worth, including calling strangers pedophiles to devalue their arguments.

[Anonymous No.7951472]

>>7950323
>I understand, that homosexuallity is not harmful to society and therefore should be allowed.
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.7951474]

>>7951423
>countries which allow child porno
>no increase or alarmant rate of child abuse
That's reality for you. You know "correlation=/=causation"

Come on anon. It doesn't matter if you repeat the same argument.
>>7951463
Well, there is no point on keep arguing with him.
I actually would keep baning pedophile behavior. I don't want my relatives to be involved with some pedo criminal.

But we are talking about allowing 2D porno. Which is a different topic.

Are you gonna keep repeating the same "correlation" argument, Mr. Right-senpai?

[Anonymous No.7951476]

>>7950374
>If homosexuality is not unhealthy, I would not consider it an illness.
It can be, drug use/abuse is huuuuuge among homosexuals, as is unprotected anal sex with gay dudes which as you know carries a huge risk of aids. It's not uncommon for a gay man to have had over 1000 sexual partners.

[Anonymous No.7951477]

>>7951472
As you can see from
>I understand
it's his belief, there is nothing to source.

>>7951474
As you can see from >>7951460, 2D sexual fantasy degenerates are pedophiles as well. It is a completely irrelevant matter if you personally get buttflustred from the professional diagnosis.

Also, cases that get reported are always less than those that happen. In a society where it is not considered illegal, then nobody will report it as a crime. Surely you would not argue this does not affect the numbers.

[Anonymous No.7951482]

>>7951476
>it's an illness, it's not an illness.
So, do you want to start a polemic discussion over here?
>>7951477
>Also, cases that get reported are always less than those that happen.
That happens in every country.
>In a society where it is not considered illegal, then nobody will report it as a crime.
>implying easterners are monsters
But anon. There is a difference between a man with a book, and a man stalking a child. Every family know this.
>Surely you would not argue this does not affect the numbers.
At least you retracted your argument.

[Anonymous No.7951485]

>>7950323
Homosexuality is similar to sexual orientation among heterosexuals of the opposite sex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation

Different parts of the brain develop in response to hormonal conditions in the womb, INAH 3 for example is larger in heterosexual males than homosexual males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INAH_3

There is no such part of the brain dictating whether someone is a pedophile or not, the only significant differences are a white matter deficiency which is only correlated with pedophilia, not the cause.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18039544

Pedophilia is a harmful fetish that someone has lost control over, it is a mental illness and they need to be V& so they can receive psychiatric care.

The cure I think would be to get them to fap to adult porn like this to make that the means of satiating their sexual urges and condition them to nix pedophilia related thoughts with a combination of indoctrination and aversion therapy. They would probably need to schedule faps daily, possibly in the morning before they go to work, so that they don't feel thirsty out in public. In time their fetish will atrophy.

[Anonymous No.7951488]

>>7951476
>drug use/abuse is huuuuuge among homosexuals
This is typical among any group ostracized from society
> is unprotected anal sex
Straight people don't use condoms much either
> It's not uncommon for a gay man to have had over 1000 sexual partners
A straight man would be exactly the same if women were that easy.

[Anonymous No.7951505]

>>7951463
> pedophilia apologist trying to shit out an argument
Nice one pedo. You sure convinced me to release all the pedos out of jails.

>>7951465
> Pedophilia apologist trying to deny his identity.
kek

Also why do pedophiles infested /sci/ ? Child rape is NOT a scientific subject.

better do this shit in >>>/a/

[Anonymous No.7951514]

What if a pedophiles understands the issue with their case and does not or never proceeds to act upon possible urges?

I can't justify it from my side, I have an attraction which is almost ingrained and I cannot control it, however I would never harm a child as I know that a child will never understand something sexual like that. I'd change if I could man, I really would.

Also, would this be considered as an illness on its own? So no other effects on the individual?

[Anonymous No.7951515]

Would castration or government permission to allow tracking internet and communication as well as transaction activity be a viable solution for people with pedophiliac tendencies ?

[Anonymous No.7951519]

>>7951505
it is not just /sci/, I have seen similar threads on /r9k/ and /tv/ too, I think there is a group of pedophiles methodically spamming on every board

they get BTFO each time, but they are too retarded to understand why they are wrong and driven to be persistent by mental illness

[Anonymous No.7951520]

>>7951441
It's very possible that a combination of genes induces homisexuality

We don't know yet

[Anonymous No.7951522]

>>7951514
You can get help any time, just go to the police with your hard drive and tell them what happened.

[Anonymous No.7951523]

>>7951505
>shitposting
Well, the mods now have a reason to delete this thread. But that won't stop us! :-DD
>>7951514
Anon. Let the society be like politics want. I just want loli doujins to be allowed.
I know it would be dangerous accepting pedophile public behavior, but we are defending 2D loli porno, which doesn't hurt anybody.

[Anonymous No.7951527]

>>7951519
I really don't understand those label anyway. It has zero difference if it's a mental illness or not or if its defined as something else. It doesn't make it right and enabling this type of disgusting behaviour is not up to negotiation.

[Anonymous No.7951528]

>>7951522
I don't download anything anon, das silly

[Anonymous No.7951532]

>>7951527
There is a huge line between having an attraction to kids and causing them harm via the attraction.

[Anonymous No.7951537]

>>7951523
> distribution of the depiction of something illegal just so people can masturbate to drawn fantasies where they rape children isn't wrong and should be legal.
Kek

[Anonymous No.7951539]

>>7951532
Are we supposed to wait for you to cross the line and ruin a life so we can take action ?

[Anonymous No.7951543]

>>7951537
>I do not want loli, and people must respect my opinion
>I do not mind illegal drugs depicted on most movies
>I swear I am smart, even though I am a 20 year old

[Anonymous No.7951546]

>>7951543
> im bullshitting by speaking on someone elses behalf
> yeah, that will convince them to be okay with pedos
:^)

[Anonymous No.7951549]

>>7951539
I believe that any sexual action towards a child is very wrong. Anyone involved deserves the worst. They have destroyed a person's life for their own selfish desires. You can't be so naive to think that all pedophiles are like this.

Sure, I have that attraction, but I would never act upon it.

[Anonymous No.7951550]

>>7951482
>That happens in every country.
And more so when it is considered legal. Nobody will be prosecuted for something that is legal.

>But anon. There is a difference between a man with a book, and a man stalking a child. Every family know this.
There is no difference between someone fantasizing and someone actually doing it, diagnosis wise. They're both pedophiles, just to differing degrees. Your book analogy enters a whole new realm of stupid to top it off.

>At least you retracted your argument.
I didn't retract anything senpai, learn2read.

>>7951520
Regardless, as it stands now it is not hereditary. Consider faggots that adopt kids, these kids have a higher than average tendency to become faggots as well, this should tell you something about being a homo.

[Anonymous No.7951553]

So throughout generations, men have been marrying young girls, some as young as 11. Others in their early teens. Why the fuck do people label those who still have attractions to younger girls "mentally ill"?

[Anonymous No.7951557]

>>7951549
> Sure, I have that attraction, but I would never act upon it.
Are we supposed to take your word for it and let you buy more child rape doujins ?

[Anonymous No.7951559]

>>7951553
>le history argument
People used to shit on the streets. Why do we consider it bad now?
People used to stone people to death. Why do we consider it bad now?
People used to fuck little children. Why do we consider it bad now?

[Anonymous No.7951563]

>>7951537
>Countries which allow that porno have no alarmant rate of child abuse
>Even less than most western countries
Isn't it beautiful?
>>7951539
More fallacies.

>>7951543
Anon, he probably doesn't want drug apologing media too.

But there is no point on arguing with shitposters.
>>7951550
Anon, child rape is not legal in those countries.
>there is no difference in my books
Well, I showed you some great examples in the real world that explained otherwise and you tried to refute them with some boogeyman and baseless implications. The end.
>>7951557
>Countries which allow that porno have no alarmant rate of child abuse
>Even less than most western countries
How are you gonna deny this data?

[Anonymous No.7951565]

>>7951557
Nope. Just letting you know that there are some of us intelligent and conscious enough to realise what is wrong and what is not. It's not like I am explicit attracted to little girls either. I like girls my own age and older. I dig milfs too.

[Anonymous No.7951566]

>>7951563
Show me the peer reviewed data you retarded pedophile. I wonder what you call evidence.

[Anonymous No.7951568]

>>7951565
> i like raping
> i like apples to
ok

[Anonymous No.7951572]

>>7951568
>>7951563
Faggots do you want infographic/pol/-tier arguments?
>>>/pol/
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.7951574]

> muh CP degeneracy meme
> muh pedophilies are rapists meme
I see /pol/ is strong in this thread

[Anonymous No.7951576]

>>7951568
b8

[Anonymous No.7951580]

>>7951574
>le pol meme
Last resort for any moron incapable of defending his degeneracy

[Anonymous No.7951582]

>>7951580
> muh pedophiles are degeneracy meme
back to /pol/ you dumb fascist faggot

[Anonymous No.7951583]

>>7950323
Does it matter if pedophilia is an illness or not? Pedophilia isn't an act, it's a thought. Molestation is already a crime regardless of who commits it.

[Anonymous No.7951585]

>>7950369
>people under 21 can not answer yes or no
engineer detected, how's that boyfriend

[Anonymous No.7951587]

>>7951582
They are. It has already been established modern science that its a mental disorder. Seek help.

[Anonymous No.7951593]

>>7951587
>liking girls younger than me is an illness!
>b-but liking the same sex is natural! totally not a disorder or an illness!
some hypocrite you are

>>7951537
>make lolicon illegal because it triggers me :(
reddit really does go on this site, holy shit

[Anonymous No.7951594]

>>7951566
Anon. You can check it yourself if you are willing to.
>>7951583
We know. But it should be banned.
Anyway, 2D porno doesn't hurt anyone.

[Anonymous No.7951603]

>>7951593
it's not about liking x you retarded pedophile. its about the person you wanna fuck is giving not consent. It's not double standards if one of the parties does NOT give you consent. That would be the case with comparing incest and homosexuality if its right or not.

> Anon. You can check it yourself if you are willing to.
No not really. I'm not willing to bother moving a single muscle for proving your retarded justifications for pedophilia.

[Anonymous No.7951606]

>>7951527
if they don't seek help it is immoral

if they wake up one day and say "what the fuck why am I a pedophile" and seek help then it is not immoral

[Anonymous No.7951610]

>>7951594
>Anyway, 2D porno doesn't hurt anyone.
But if you enjoy it, you are a pedophile. Sorry to break your bubble.

[Anonymous No.7951616]

>>7951593
>>liking girls younger than me is an illness!
>>b-but liking the same sex is natural! totally not a disorder or an illness!
>some hypocrite you are
I don't see why this would be hypocritical. After all, there is no natural selection for pedo's and homo's, so their occurrence per definition cannot be natural.

[Anonymous No.7951622]

>>7951610
>sorry
Don't be. You can have the nasty hairy pussy. :^)

[Anonymous No.7951625]

>>7951593
>>liking girls younger than me is an illness!
This is not what determines what is a pedo, moron. For the diagnosis, see >>7951460. I'm sure you'll find it uncomfortable, but truth hurts, filthy degenerate scum.

[Anonymous No.7951626]

>>7951622
>what is shaving
You must be a neckbeard :^)

[Anonymous No.7951630]

>>7951626
>implying i am >>7951625 and every other SJW in here
nice try, at least you got your (You)

[Anonymous No.7951634]

>>7951488
>current year
>homosexuals
>otracized from society
you must be from africa

[Anonymous No.7951635]

>>7951630
It's all me bitch. You're the only one implying false implications. Seek help, pleb.

[Anonymous No.7951636]

> mfw pedophiles think they have a chance
how cute :^)

[Anonymous No.7951640]

>>7951603
>>7951610
>No not really. I'm not willing to bother moving a single muscle for proving your retarded justifications for pedophilia.
But I can be wrong. Come one, go check it :-DD
>it's not about liking x you retarded pedophile. its about the person you wanna fuck is giving not consent
But anon, I'm not hurting anyone. I also wanna fuck two 25-27 girls and I'm not raping them.

Welcome to the new age of degeneracy! :-DD

[Anonymous No.7951645]

>>7951640
you're not raping them because they consent to having sex. you ARE raping a child because they can NOT consent. Now stop shitposting you illiterate pedophile

[Anonymous No.7951647]

loli is cp for plebs who are so epsilon they can't even talk to kids.

you cucks make me sick

[Anonymous No.7951649]

>>7951640
Found the degenerate pedo

[Anonymous No.7951650]

>>7951635
>look I know how to use inspect element! am I tricking you now? xddd

[Anonymous No.7951653]

>>7951640
>I also wanna fuck two 25-27 girls
That makes you the nonexclusive type pedo, according to >>7951460. Deal with it, kiddyfucker.

[Anonymous No.7951656]

>>7951650
It's actually truly all me, buddy. Ask a mod for confirm if don't believe

[Anonymous No.7951659]

>>7951636
Lmao

I'm only 19 and probably going to be more successful than you desu

[Anonymous No.7951661]

>>7951656
>trying to use inspect element to trick anons
>implying /sci/ has mods
nice try, newfag. if /sci/ had mods, they would've deleted this thread already.

[Anonymous No.7951662]

Why not make all rape hentai illegal if the problem with loli is lack of consent?

[Anonymous No.7951665]

>>7951659
you will be great at sucking dicks in jail. you'll be so succesfull that people will line up to get a blowjob from you
:^)

[Anonymous No.7951666]

>>7951661
Friend. It truly is all me. Why are you even trying though, you're not proving anything other than how desperate you are.

[Anonymous No.7951667]

>>7951662
Because that'll also cut off the fap material of the hypocrites in here

[Anonymous No.7951669]

>>7951661
> mfw they deleted my funpost thread instantly, yet they allow a pedo thread go on for hours

[Anonymous No.7951671]

>>7951645
>women always consent
Now you went full retard.
>>7951662
Because drawings don't affect the rape rate of a country.
>>7951669
Because you can be retarded over there >>>/s4s/

[Anonymous No.7951673]

>>7951666
>believe me just do it lol
Enjoy these (You)s whilst it lasts.

[Anonymous No.7951674]

>>7951673
>I think giving away (You)'s will prove my point
I tip my (You) to (You), sir.

[Anonymous No.7951676]

>>7951671
> i am retarded
ok

[Anonymous No.7951677]

>>7951671
>>women always consent
At least they CAN consent, which a child cannot for they know jack shit about erect throbbing cocks at the ripe age of 8, you degenerate pedo scumfuck.

>Because drawings don't affect the rape rate of a country.
[citation needed]

>Because you can be retarded over there >>>/s4s/
Great, you'll can show yourself out.

[Anonymous No.7951678]

>>7951674
>hurr he's being tricked im just pretending to be retarded xd

[Anonymous No.7951679]

>>7951665
Although I will never ever go there because I'm not a fucking idiot. I'm probably just like you with a different attraction.

[Anonymous No.7951682]

>>7951678
>projecting this much
Here's another (You)

[Anonymous No.7951684]

>>7951682
all i want are dubs

[Anonymous No.7951690]

>>7951684
Here are mine

[Anonymous No.7951717]

>>7951677
>>At least they CAN consent, which a child cannot for they know jack shit about erect throbbing cocks at the ripe age of 8, you degenerate pedo scumfuck.
children cannot consent because they are caught not to consent.

[Anonymous No.7951723]

>>7951677
>they can consent
>they cannot
Anon, raping someone is wrong. Nobody is supporting it ITT.

>Because drawings don't affect the rape rate of a country.
>[citation needed]
Maybe you should demonstrate how does it affect the rape rate of a country.

[Anonymous No.7951737]

ITT: apologist pedo degenerates

[Anonymous No.7951787]

>>7950671
What's the point of that?

[Anonymous No.7951802]

Having a sexual orientation does not at all equate acting on it. I am a more or less heterosexual male and have never had sex and have no problem with it (I consume 2D porn though). Similarly, a pedophile won't start raping kids just because he finds them attractive. However, I can understand getting frustrated if no porn (neither 3D nor 2D) is available.

[Anonymous No.7951873]

>>7951802
That's why pedophile behavior should stay banned.
But loli doujins don't hurt anyone, though.

[Anonymous No.7952031]

>the number of kiddie fiddlers in this thread
I hope you die in a fire, all if you.

[Anonymous No.7952046]

>>7952031
Shitposting

[Anonymous No.7952065]

>>7950369
>trying to be reasonable
you done fucked up anon

[Anonymous No.7952110]

>>7950902
Nigger what are you talking about, that is the definition

[Anonymous No.7952155]

>>7951634
Norms are definitely becoming more tolerant/accepting of homosexuals, but countries like the United States are still rampant with varying degrees of homophobia.

>>7951550
>Homosexuality can't be hereditary because society clearly influences whether someone is willing to be openly gay.

How so?

>>7950374
>The discussion becomes semantic real quick.

Pretty much this. It doesn't help that the medical definition of "mental disorder" (according to the DSM-V) is kinda vague, and that it changes slightly from one DSM to the next.

[Anonymous No.7952192]

>>7951485
>The cure I think would be to get them to fap to adult porn like this to make that the means of satiating their sexual urges and condition them to nix pedophilia related thoughts with a combination of indoctrination and aversion therapy. They would probably need to schedule faps daily, possibly in the morning before they go to work, so that they don't feel thirsty out in public. In time their fetish will atrophy.

While this is is just a personal anecdote and small sample size, but I have tried this for quite a while, and all it did was make me more attracted to little girls. I know a few other pedos who have tried the same thing, and it always fails. It's the same thing they used to try to do to homosexual men.

>>7951662

The UK is already doing that. Rape porn, pee porn, loli porn, etc.. it's all illegal now. Enjoy your sex in the missionary position only porn.

[Anonymous No.7952216]

>>7950323
Whats funny about homosexuality is it's a result from pedophilia, in a lot of cases faggots were diddled by their dads

[Anonymous No.7952220]

>>7952046
I'm just saying what needs to be said.

[Anonymous No.7952234]

>>7952192
> if you take out rape porn, you end up with only missionary porn
nice try pedophile shithead

[Anonymous No.7952245]

>>7952234

They also took out piss porn, scat porn, vomit porn, bondage porn, porn with certain sex toys, etc, etc...

[Anonymous No.7952249]

>>7952192
I can already feel a burning desire to make a Japanese to US net proxy buisness

[Anonymous No.7952250]

>>7950323

Not science.

Check em

[Anonymous No.7952255]

>>7952245
oh noes what am I gonna do without scat porn, vomit porn and child pornography...

[Anonymous No.7952271]

>>7952245
>implying taking those out was a bad thing
You sure are fucked in the head

[Anonymous No.7952276]

>>7952271
What is there to gain by censoring them ?
Women are a significant viewer of BDSM porn anyway.

Just a PR move for SJW shits.

[Anonymous No.7952280]

>>7950323
Homosexuality used to be a mental illness in the DSM. It's for this reason that Psychology is not a real science, they change it based on political pressure, which real science should never be.

If pedophilia is considered a mental illness or not, I don't have an opinion either way. The official admittance for CBT is "A desire for sexual contact or stimulation from persons under the age of 18", which, come on. That means all of us should be in therapy right now because we wanted to fug Miley when she was 16.

I would say the main reason it's treated so harshly as a problem is because of it's very serious consequences, and a combination of botnet/data mining and containment for those who self-identify as wanting it.

tldr Psych is bullshit and it's not really an illness to begin with.

[Anonymous No.7952283]

>>7952276
What is there to gain in piss porn, scat porn and other disgusting degrading garbage ? The subject of these porn are indulging the worst in people and I don't see any problem in removing them.

[Anonymous No.7952287]

>>7952283
If you want to just have an emotional argument I won't oblidge.

You can't force your agenda on others unless you prove it causes damage to others.

[Anonymous No.7952292]

>>7952280

it doesn't matter if its an illness or not. It's literally an irrelevant factor for its existence.

Internet is full of tons of different sexual stuff ranging from gayporn to lesbians, threesome milfs to incest sex. There are even crap like shemales that I hate and never wanna see. Even then I respect other peoples sexual preferences and don't find any right in myself to censor them.
But all of these have something in common. They are all performed by people who have consent of getting into these sexual acts. They want this so they should be able to enjoy it. Underage children on the other hand CANNOT CONSENT to having sex, which is the vital point in why pedo porn is banned and allowing it is non-negotiable. You can do anything you both consent as soon as they get to 18 or 16 or whatever.

[Anonymous No.7952298]

>>7952283
There is no need to ban them too.
:-DD

[Anonymous No.7952310]

One could argue homosexuality is in-line with evolutionary standards; saves us from overpopulating the Earth.

There is zero benefit to pedophilia.

[Anonymous No.7952312]

>>7952292
>3D pedo porn should be illegal.
I agree it does hurt children. But loli 2D drawings are harmless.

[Anonymous No.7952319]

>>7952312
It's not right either. Your fascination from loli porn comes from your attraction to underaged children which is wrong and disgusting. Why should you or other pedophiles be allowed to fuel your desire by masturbating to more of the same crap ?
As I said before, you don't acknowledge that you're fucked up so you can keep indulging your wrong doings, you try to cease them. Getting more loli porn is the exact opposite of that, it keeps feeding your sick ass fantasies.

[Anonymous No.7952323]

>>7952319

If you make 2D porn illegal, then why won't pedos think "Well, if that's illegal, why don't I just go for real child porn instead of half-assing it?"

I know this is the case for several pedos I know online.

[Anonymous No.7952324]

>>7952319
So suppressing such is your answer? Nah.

Sometimes the attraction to certain things stems from things not related to the physical (i.e. mental aspects such as the dynamic, or something being taboo, etc.)

[Anonymous No.7952329]

>>7952319
>it's wrong
>it keeps feeding your hellish fantasies
So?
>>7952310
Politics don't give a fuck about apes and shit nigger :-DD

[Anonymous No.7952333]

>>7952323
This is slippery slope logic.

[Anonymous No.7952337]

>>7952329
>Politics don't give a fuck about apes and shit nigger :-DD
This is not just a political debate. Nothing exists in vein.

[Anonymous No.7952339]

>>7952323
If you actually believe thats the way pedophiles think, I wonder why aren't you supporting for them to be in jail. What guarantees that they won't ever molest a child if they are so eager to rape a child the first chance they get.

>>7952324
Yes. If you wanna get rid of your drug problem, you suppress drugs and quit them completely. Same with alcohol and same with your child porn addiction.
> Sometimes the attraction to certain things stems from things not related to the physical
That's not an excuse for pedophilia and doesn't make it favorable in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.7952347]

>>7952319

Well the alternative is them masturbating to either child porn (obviously bad) or to masturbating to clothed kids in swimsuits, etc, which conditions them to sexual release with real children. 2D on the other hand accustoms them to release to non-real kids. How is that not more preferable than masturbatinug to

>>7952333

Let's say you're hungry and there is bread (loli) and cake (cp). If cake was illegal and bread was legal, you'd probably eat bread. But now the government makes bread illegal. Why would you settle for bread when you could have cake, if both are going to send you to jail? I'm not saying it's always the case, but I know quite a few pedos in countries where 2D is illegal where it is the case.

>>7952339

Many of those same pedos have contact with children and don't rape them. While it might be immoral to consume cp, it is certainly a lot lesser evil than actually raping a kid. There's the argument for supply and demand, but that's not too strong of one considering the avenues these pedos find cp at, since there is no direct link between them and the consumers. There's an indirect one, and I'm not saying it should be legal, but it's certainly a lesser evil.

[Anonymous No.7952350]

>>7952339
Ugh, get out of here Liberal scum.

I was a victim of pedophilia at one point, and I'm still on the side of being pro-loli. Eat it.

[Anonymous No.7952353]

>>7952347
More people like you should exist.

[Anonymous No.7952365]

>>7952347
> since there is no direct link between pedophiles and child pornography
you keep saying that like everyone is stupid and at some point people will actually believe it

>>7952350
I don't have a political weight and your fake experiences have zero value.

[Anonymous No.7952378]

>>7952365

I meant there is no direct demand between a pedo looking at cp compared to a regular porn consumer who directly gets content from the producer, supporting them directly or via ads. It's not going directly from the producers to the consumers. The producers are exchanging it with each other, or just posting it for fun. Even if no one consumed it, they're still going to be molesting their kids. It's not like they think "Oh hey! Pedos out there love child porn, so I'm just going to go rape my kid!".

[Anonymous No.7952381]

>>7952339
>>7952347
>no, they think like this
>no, they are like this
It doesn't matter. There is no link between allowing 2D pedo drawings and an increase of rape rate in a country.
>>7952347
Anon, the inner motive why are they criticizing eveything about pedophiles is simply emotional.
You can't change that :-CC

>>7952365
>there is a link
They are different. I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.7952386]

>>7952378
Well none of the points made about why pedo stuff is and will be illegal had anything to do with demand or customers. It makes no difference at all.

[Anonymous No.7952397]

>>7952386

I was simply talking about why reasons pedos might be moral enough to not actually act out and molest kids, but would still use child porn to satisfy their desire instead of lolicon, given that both are illegal, since the morality of it isn't quite that bad in terms of how much harm it's causing. I'm not saying it should be made illegal, I'm just saying that by making loli illegal you've made a bunch of pedos who would not otherwise be criminals, now criminals. And if you're already a criminal, why would you stop at 2D when there's 3D out there, besides morality reasons? And that condition was what I was addressing with respect to the usual supply/demand argument that a pedo fapping to cp causes more people to molest children so they can produce more cp.(Which is dumb since those kids were getting molested anyway, and that's assuming a direct link between producers and consumes, which doesn't exist)

I wish I could remember the name of it, but there was some article that actually investigated the cp "industry" and how it is all made, and showing how decentralized it is and that the argument of supply/demand is pretty shit.

[Anonymous No.7952398]

>>7952339
>If you wanna get rid of your drug problem, you suppress drugs and quit them completely.

Are there any studies that demonstrate this working with porn addictions?

>>7952350
I was a victim of pedophilia at one point, and I'm still on the side of being pro-loli. Eat it.

I don't see what point you're trying to make with that.

>>7952280
>Psychology is not a real science, they change it based on political pressure

Political pressure was definitely part of the reason why homosexuality was reclassified, but also because more and more psychologists genuinely recognized that homosexuality was broadly misunderstood within their discipline.

[Anonymous No.7952405]

>>7952292
>does not matter if it's an illness or not
Yes it does... I was directly answering the OP....
Are you an idiot?

[Anonymous No.7952406]

>>7952398
> i demand proof of things which has to be vaguely defnited to satisfy my standards
> i was a victim of pedophilia even though i'm not proving it lol xD

trying too hard pedophile shithead. you will never be able to convince people to accept child rape

[Anonymous No.7952413]

>>7952405
> OPs post is what globally determines if it being a mental illness matters to allow CP or not.
No you are the idiot for thinking just because you answered OP, you had an acceptable point.

[Anonymous No.7952417]

>>7952398
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it was partially or totally influenced, if it was influenced at all by political pressure when people who knew more thought otherwise, then it's not science and is being fucked with by people and their political/social systems.

Equivalent to a $10 bribe to a police officer versus a $10,000 bribe. It's still a bribe.

Physics doesn't remove the concept of Gravity because some people get mad over it.

[Anonymous No.7952426]

>>7952413
The OP is directly quoted here:
>Since homosexuality is not considered as an illness, why is pedophilia?
I understand, that homosexuallity is not harmful to society and therefore should be allowed. Pedophilia on the other hand is considered as harmful and therefore must be stopped. But isn't considering it as an illness wrong, if you don't consider homosexuality as an illness, although both are phenomenons of the same type?

Please check this link for further reading and self-discovery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism

[Anonymous No.7952429]

>>7950369
pure ideology

[Anonymous No.7952436]

>>7952426
For the 4th fucking time. Homosexuality or Pedophilia being mental illnesses or not does NOT matter for them being allowed. The pressure against homosexuality might be political or social or actually because it was thought as a mental illness. But the fact that made it unacceptable was NOT that it was non-consentual.
Contrary to that, it IS that case in pedophilia and thats why it makes zero difference whether if its a mental illness or anything else. You won't gain anything by repeating "but its not a mental illness so fantasizing or actually committing child rape is ok guise"

[Anonymous No.7952441]

>>7952319
>hurr stop enjoying things

[Anonymous No.7952442]

>>7952436
THE OP WAS NOT ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

IT WAS ABOUT EXCLUSIVELY WHY IT'S CONSIDERED AN ILLNESS.

Please no more responses to niggers like this, everyone, they just can't get science.

[Anonymous No.7952443]

>>7950323
>although both are phenomenons of the same type?

That remains to be clarified, anon.

/thread

[Anonymous No.7952444]

>>7952442
> they just can't get pedo science
Do you even have a point ?

[Anonymous No.7952453]

>>7951690
gib dubs and i stop fapping to loli
bls