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What creatures can survive in a habit which is unusual for them? Can an octopus survive in a swamp?

>> No.7656446

Humans can survive in space. This one guy has been living there for almost a year now.

>> No.7656455

>>7656446
>Humans can survive in space
we cant though
we need a pressurized oxygen environment

its more accurate to say humans can survive in zero gravity, albeit with deadly side affects

>> No.7656461

Pretty much any invasive species does this. They don't just survive, they make the new ecosystem their bitch.

>> No.7656463

>>7656455
Dont be autistic, you get what he meant.

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>>7656463
>Humans can survive in space
>They can't
>Dont be autistic

Anything can survive anywhere with a controlled environment tailored to their needs. It defeats the purpose of the question.
Humans can survive in lava with a lava suit so what.

>> No.7656473

This thread doesn't really make any sense, anything can live anywhere as long as they meet their living requirements.

>> No.7656479

>>7656446
>humans can survive in space
>blood literally boils and you die within one minute

kek

>> No.7656499

>>7656455
Just like certain animals can survive in hazardous environments by excreting a protective mucus which protects them from toxic matters, humans can survive in space by secreting a protective space station.

If you do not wish to contain the works of man under the scope of man then I don't particularly care to converse with such a low level pedant.

>> No.7656502

>>7656499
This might be the dumbest thing i've ever read on /sci/

>> No.7656508

>>7656499

isn't this supposed to be the smart board

>> No.7656515

>>7656499
what animals do this

>> No.7656516

>>7656502
>>7656508
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_bell_spider

we are not the only animals to create artificial environments for ourselves.

>> No.7656518

>>7656431
I became an octopus twice.

>> No.7656519

>>7656515
beavers, wasps. any kind of intricate nest builder.

>> No.7656528
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>humans can survive in space by secreting a protective space station

>> No.7656531

(of a cell, gland, or organ) produce and discharge (a substance).

>> No.7656533

Cockroaches are generalists who can survive in pretty much any condition.

>> No.7656535

>>7656519
>excreting a protective mucus which protects them from toxic matters
>lol jk i meant nests

>> No.7656538

>>7656431
Why has no one yet to answer my question whether or not if an octopus can live in a swamp?

>> No.7656539

>>7656431

>horses
>wolves/dogs
>cats
>asian carp


Out west it's illegal to kill horses, and they're becoming over populated. Back in the ice age the oly predator of the horse was the sabertooth cat, so scientist are thinking of bringing lions from Africa to bring down horse numbers.

>> No.7656540

>>7656538
california two-spot octopus

>> No.7656542

>>7656538
is the swamp salt water?

>> No.7656550

>>7656538
because I derailed the thread by pointing out that humans live in space. And by the way, how is a space station protecting us from the environment that much different from a snail's shell protecting itself?

>> No.7656571

>>7656550
every snail has a shell. not every human has a space station

>> No.7656574

>>7656571
>every snail has a shell.
Oh yeah? Then how do you explain slugs?

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>>7656550
>a snails shell is an artificial pressurized exotic gas environment made to work in zero gravity

>> No.7656578

>>7656575
>The answer to space travel was there all along
>New research reveals it even blocks cosmic rays

>> No.7656602

>>7656431
Surprised nobody's said Water bears.

Pretty sure they got tested to determine if they could survive in space. Not sure what the results were though.

>> No.7656614

>>7656602
The can survive indefinitely without food or water. They can survive in vacuum of space for 10 years (or seconds I forget which). I'm pretty sure it's 10 years though, I know they can survive extreme cold because they don't need water so there is no structural damage from ice crystals forming in their bodies. Water Bears are ayylmaos I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked off life on Earth

>> No.7656675

>>7656575

The point is humans natural ability means we create technology, humans can survive in most environments that should be deadly due to this

>> No.7656693

>>7656675
>humans natural ability means we create technology

No. Humans natural ability is to avoid being eaten by lions on the African plains. Everything else is just a fortuitous happenstance.

>> No.7657008

>>7656499
Using pedant instead of autist is good but jesus fucking christ why does this kind of shit happen in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THREAD on nearly EVERY SINGLE FUCKING BOARD

>post thing
>someone else tells you thing may be wrong
>in this case, someone else explains why thing may be wrong
>foolish Pride rises up because god fucking forbid original person be WRONG about anything or ever admit they may actually be wrong
All fucking day every fucking day seeing this shit is so trite. I absolutely refuse to believe people who post this kind of garbage behave in this manner in real life. I cannot fucking believe the backwoods primitive behavior that goes on.

>> No.7657014

>>7657008

ah what a nice morning kek

>> No.7657064

>>7656693
>supersonic jets
>nuclear power
>superconductors
>fortuitous happenstance

>> No.7657071

>>7656466
>Anything can survive anywhere with a controlled environment tailored to their needs.

But humans are the one doing the tailoring, so yes, it counts.

Bees need a hive. Does that mean bees can't survive anywhere? THEN WHY ARE THERE BEES?

>> No.7657076

>>7656499
I might be the only one here but I fully agree with you

>> No.7657084

this thread is bonkers...

>> No.7657085

>>7656614

That's not really true. Of course they need water and air and food like any other living thing. They can "survive" in those conditions by going into a kind of hybernation/stasis. It's not like there could be a colony of water bears on an asteroid or something.

>> No.7657093

>>7656499
Other anon who agrees here. Intelligence is our evolutionary advantage for adaptability and technology is a byproduct of intelligence.

>> No.7657141

>>7656431
my dick in ur mums pussy m8

>> No.7657444

>>7656431
>What creatures can survive in a habit which is unusual for them?
Humans, when we are babies inside a womb.

>> No.7657448

>>7656455
>deadly side affects
such as?

>> No.7657481

>>7657448
Prolonged living in zero gravity can have negative effects on your muscles, mainly cardiac, making life in normal earth gravity after a long time in zero gravity deadly because your heart will no longer be strong enough to pump blood in normal gravity.

>> No.7657489

>>7656431
Just noticed,
Alligators = Swamp sharks

>> No.7657495

>>7657448
-Elevated likelihood of cancer
-Bone deterioration
-Muscle atrophy, including those of the circulatory system which can you make you incapable of returning to a weighted environment.
-Brain and organ systems being pelted full of holes by cosmic rays. Subsequent blood brain barrier dysfunction allows albumin and other stuff to leak in.
-Screws your eyes up if you're male. That's not really deadly though.

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>>7656431
>Can an octopus survive in a swamp?
Saltwater crocodiles can survive in the sea and swamps.

>> No.7657511

>>7657495
>Screws your eyes up
>if you're male
Fucking sexist space, intergalactic march for equality when?

No, seriously, why only males?

>> No.7657513

>>7656499
Don't be problematic.

>> No.7657515

>>7657511
I haven't the slightest, it's just been observed exclusively in male astronauts. I thought about it a bit, but didn't really dig much. Some medical literature might exist on the why of it, rather than just documenting morphological changes.

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>>7656533
Too bad they can't survive being RAPED

>> No.7657523

>>7657515
What's the name of the condition?

>> No.7657530

>>7657523
https://www.nasa.gov/content/men-women-spaceflight-adaptation/#.VkYu6fthlaQ

>The VIIP syndrome (visual impairment / intracranial pressure) manifests with anatomical ocular changes, ranging from mild to clinically significant, with a range of corresponding changes in visual function. Currently 82% of male astronauts vs. 62% of women astronauts (who have flown in space) are affected. However, all clinically significant cases so far have occurred in male astronauts.

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>>7657530
Can't help to think this is some feministic bullshit.

>> No.7657550

So if Mars's gravity is almost 3x less than Earth's how are astronauts and eventual mars colonists going to deal with this drastically different gravity?

>> No.7657561

>>7657547
I don't really care anymore. The world is such a muddled mess of stupid, broken motivations that you can't ever trust anything anyone comes out with, without performing all tests or data collection yourself. Which simply isn't possible.

You can employ sophisticated error correction routines. You can sandbox ideas. Build frameworks up slowly, and cautiously, never quite integrating them together. But nothing really ever changes. And it's all because people are utterly deficient.

So fuck it, I'll just take the path of least resistance on this one. Just fuck it.

>> No.7657607

>>7657550

There is no reason to think it will be a serious problem.

>> No.7657616

>>7657607
Won't our bones get weaker? Or would it not really matter.

>> No.7657623

>>7657495
So long term space travel is impossible without artificial gravity?

>> No.7657627

>>7657623
As of now yes. In the future, it may not be needed to have gravity. Maybe some serum will be developed to strengthen bones artificially

>> No.7657736

>>7657064
natural selection didnt equip us to understand or build any of those. Its a coincidence of our larger brain and physical ability/opposable thumbs that we can do these things.

>> No.7657739

>>7657607
Its actually a super serious problem.
Try birthing a child in micro gravity. I doubt it would even come to term. Bodily fluids pool and all kinds of nasty shit happens.

>> No.7657753

>>7657085
There could be a colony in stasis.

>> No.7657758

>>7657753
That impacted on earth and kickstarted all other life.

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>>7657627
Patent pending

>> No.7657783

>>7657758
But then who was water bears?

>> No.7657814

>>7657014
It's not even funny anymore. It's downright fucking embarrassing. I admit that the current state of 4chan is a fascinating insight into observing human behavior but the sheer unwarranted defensiveness that resides in nearly every single poster is absolutely appalling.

>> No.7657826

>>7657814
It's just a couple of spastic idiots and children. Just ignore them.

>> No.7657829

>>7656499
Literally the definition of grasping at straws

>> No.7658624

>>7657826
>couple of spastic idiots and children
>a good solid 90% of every interaction and post between two or more people on this website for the last several years
Pick fucking one. I wish it were only a couple of people and could be so easily ignored.

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>>7656479
Hermit crabs die a lot faster without shells. Technology is just a fancy form of adaptation.

>>7656431
Yes, some octopus can live in swamps, and it's been known to happen (Bengal Octopus), provided there's enough crawfish and lurkfish running about for them to eat. Like many Octopi, it can crawl and breath on land, but unlike most, in can do so for days at a time.

>> No.7658636

>>7657627
It's less the bones, it's more that your small capillaries start bursting. This causes problems, both short and long. Ya need artificial gravity (or a whole lotta Lipitor) for long term missions.

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>>7657085
>It's not like there could be a colony of water bears on an asteroid or something.
Well, there's a lot of asteroids large enough to generate their own internal heat, and there's a lot of asteroids with ice on them - which, in theory, could become subterranean water... Ego... Maybe there are space bears.

>> No.7658642

>>7658641
*Ergo... Also, anyone else having problems with the auto-update jamming up?

>> No.7658643

>>7658642
jammed up ur mom

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>>7658643

>> No.7658647

>>7656431
>Any plant from X climatic zone into another part of X zone

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>>7658641
>Maybe there are space bears.
Like drop bears, but from orbit.

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>>7656431
>Spider
>In water
>Eats FISH
FML!

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>>7656431
>What creatures can survive in a habit which is unusual for them?
>HUMANS CAN SURVIVE ANYWHERE BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY

>> No.7658666

>>7656431
>What creatures can survive in a habit which is unusual for them?
they are called "invasive species"

>> No.7658709

>>7658650
Spiders can't survive in water though. The only reason this one would potentially be alive is if the diffusion of oxygen across the surface area of the droplet was high enough to just barely maintain cellular function.

If you actually submerged a spider underwater the oxygen gradient would be very different and it would drown very quickly.

>> No.7658732

>>7658709
Think we're going back to that whole hermit crabs and spaceships thing.

It's a spider, in water, eating fish - how much more "can survive in a habit which is unusual for them" do you want? Who cares that it can't breath water, it's gone about as far outside of its specie's usual element as you can get.

>> No.7658751

>>7658732
Fair point.