Engineering & Science Majors - Final Battle

[Anonymous No.7621438]

This meme dies today. Post why one is better than the other and everyone votes. Bring all of your ammunition to this, anons. It ends today.

Anything widely favored will be snipped, saved and be reposted on /sci/ for the rest of its existence anytime a thread about majors is posted.

[Anonymous No.7621443]

>>7621438
>math major
>300k starting

[Anonymous No.7621447]

This whole thread is stupid. Why should we be enemies of each other? This is simply a ploy by the humanities to distract us. We must unite to crush the humanities!

[Anonymous No.7621449]

Undergrad engineering is objectively easier than math.

[Anonymous No.7621451]

I find Physics better because I enjoy Physics more. I would rather spend my time getting paid less on something I enjoy. If you like Engineering that's cool

[Anonymous No.7621463]

>>7621447
this

[Anonymous No.7621472]

Math and Physics require more intellectual horseepower, and the competition is tougher (except in maybe math due to wannabe math teacher sluts). However, engineering is literally double the course load. I'm a sophomore EE taking 17 credits, and I average 7 hours of homework a night.

[Anonymous No.7621494]

>>7621449
and for all of the proofs you do, you can't prove what you just said you dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.7621503]

>>7621472
>Math and Physics require more intellectual horseepower
no
>sophomore EE
you're not even doing any engineering lel

[Anonymous No.7621508]

>>7621447
>This.

Fuck you HIDF.

[Anonymous No.7621511]

>>7621451
>i find physics better because i enjoy physics more

physics major logic, folks

[Anonymous No.7621513]

>>7621438
I'm a theoretical math major and this picture is 100% true

please dont major in math or physics unless you are a straight A student in your first 2 years and actually have hope for graduate school.

if you cannot get straight A's calc, lin. alg., diff. eq. and foundations, just go into CSE, EE, actuarial science or financial math.

graduating with a theoretical math degree and not going to graduate school is absolutely pointless please dont make my mistake.

[Anonymous No.7621520]

>>7621513
>theoretical maths
lol

[Anonymous No.7621522]

>>7621472
>Math and Physics require more intellectual horseepower

:^)

[Anonymous No.7621526]

>>7621472
>intellectual horsepower
I hope you realize that your major is considered to be the hardest major in all of university by junior year. You're in for a treat.

[Anonymous No.7621528]

>>7621526
>hardest major in all of university
he said EE not nuke

[Anonymous No.7621533]

>>7621528
he said hardest major as in how hard you have to work and how smart you have to be, not how hard it is to get a job in the field

[Anonymous No.7621537]

>>7621533
resonance absorption/neutron scattering/plasma orbits in time-dependant electric and magnetic fields >>> ohms law

[Anonymous No.7621541]

>>7621537
I'm not giving a shill any more attention.

[Anonymous No.7621543]

>>7621541
you're shilling for EE just as hard, the only difference is you're wrong and im not

[Anonymous No.7621550]

>>7621543
it's widely acknowledged that EE is the hardest, you're the only shill here. NE has never been acknowledged by anyone to be the hardest. you might as well say AE.

[Anonymous No.7621554]

>>7621550
LEL aero is literally ME with some more fluids shit
aero is what you think nuke is, but nuke is how you think EE is. my roommates an EE and my hw/exams/projects are far more difficult
and plebs like you think EE is the hardest because most common folk like yourself dont know nuke is even a degree. its past your level of understanding. gain some perspective m8

[Anonymous No.7621556]

>>7621443
Shut up.

You cannot even begin to comprehend the tortuous existence one must suffer in order to begin to gain a basic understanding of the fundamental mathematical concepts used to build a foundation for learning how to begin understanding the most basic of basic mathematical concepts required to fail at getting a PhD in Mathematics.

[Anonymous No.7621576]

>>7621554
>admitting he's an NE
>shilling his degree
lol what a surprise. we all know about NE. it's not that impressive. you'll never get a job in the field. a quick google search will give you many results of guys saying they've never seen an NE work an NE job in the last 15 years.

I'm a propulsion engineer with a degree in NE. I don't give a fuck about what I like more being the hardest, undergrad shill. EE is miles harder in any professional setting. I worked in NE for four years over a decade ago and it's bullshit in comparison. AE is harder, ChemE is harder. EE is wizardly. Some undergrad isn't going to tell shill his degree to me. Fuck yourself, faggot. You're probably 20 years old.

[Anonymous No.7621584]

>>7621438
>This meme dies today.
Doubt it tbh fam

[Anonymous No.7621586]

>>7621576
>not smart enough to get a job in your field
>shits on the discipline instead
lel you're brilliant m8. and i don't personally know a single person with a nuke degree not working in the field, from guys getting in with the DOE while still in undergrad, to guys working with general atomics, to guys with jobs lined up at nuke plants before graduating. sounds like you couldnt cut it or went to a shit school, or are just bullshitting because youd know all the shit that goes into a nuke degree and wouldnt put fucking aero of all degrees above it.

[Anonymous No.7621588]

>>7621586
uh m8
>I worked in NE for four years

[Anonymous No.7621595]

>>7621586
> i don't personally know a single person with a nuke degree not working in the field

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/nuclear-engineers.htm

>Employment Change, 2012-22 - 1,900

>https://www.orau.org/media-center/news-releases/2014/fy14-11-ORISE-report-shows-nuclear-engineering-graduation-rates-on-the-rise-in-2013.aspx

>According to the report, 655 students received bachelor’s degrees with majors in nuclear engineering in 2013—a seven percent increase over 2012 and 25 percent higher than 2011. This is the highest number of bachelor’s degrees reported in 30 years, but still 20 percent below the peak years in the 1970s.

o im laffin

[Anonymous No.7621603]

>EE is hardest degree
>mfw physics undergrads go further in electronics in 2 years than EE's ever will

[Anonymous No.7621607]

here's the definitive verdict for you dumb fucking NEET shitposters

nuke >= EE > chem > aero > ME > civil

[Anonymous No.7621609]

>>7621595
Shit, nuke is even worse than I thought

>tfw ME
>literally 80k starting

[Anonymous No.7621611]

>>7621576
and what the fuck do you consider an "NE job"

[Anonymous No.7621618]

The reason why math is hardest is that you do not learn how to solve problems, you essentially pay for the ability to have someone else grade you.

A math degree is essentially 2 years of independently studying books and trying to figure out wtf is going on.

In physics and engineering you are literally taught how to solve problems, in math pay to be given problems you have to solve yourself. In some sick sense us math majors are masochistics who enjoy being abused and threatened with failure if we cant solve some irrelevant problem in abstract algebra which literally doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.7621619]

>>7621586
>>7621595
>1900 job openings in the next ten years
>2013 had 655 bachelor grads alone, over 1/3rd how many nuke jobs there will be in the next ten years
>in one year
>2012 had 610 bachelors grads alone,
>three years and the next ten years are already filled by BACHELORS GRADS ALONE. NO ENGINEERS ALREADY WORKING WITH MORE EXPERIENCE, NO MASTERS DEGREE GRADS, NO PHD GRADS

fucking destroooooooooooyed NUKE SHILL BTFO oh my god i'm fucking staggered

[Anonymous No.7621623]

>>7621619
>nobody ever retires
>all nukes want to work in nuke plants
you're really fucking stupid m8
and nuke has one of the lowest unemployment rates

[Anonymous No.7621630]

>>7621623
that 1900 includes the retires lol

have fun working in ME oh wait the MEs are more qualified kek

[Anonymous No.7621633]

>>7621595
rekt

[Anonymous No.7621636]

>>7621603
>go further
if you mean masturbate over, yeah. actual work or application? no.

pic related as a daily reminder

[Anonymous No.7621644]

>>7621623
>and nuke has one of the lowest unemployment rates
I guess they make good cappuccinos

[Anonymous No.7621648]

>>7621586
>>7621595
>>7621609
>>7621619
>>7621630
>>7621633
>1900 NE job openings 2012 - 2022
>look at NE grads from 2012 and 2013
>add them up
>2271
kek two fucking years and they're already over-saturated

[Anonymous No.7621651]

>>7621438
why not double major in engineering and physics?

[Anonymous No.7621652]

>>7621438
All the same.
If there is an IQ req difference among them, it's at most 5 points.
School is easy.

If you like X, study X.
If you like bio, study bio.
If you like math, study math.
If you like boys, study engineering.

[Anonymous No.7621653]

>>7621595
daily reminder that the qt in that pic is a graduated EE from Stanford

[Anonymous No.7621655]

>>7621648

see: >>7621611
nukes are world leaders in materials science, radiation therapy, thermal hydraulics, plasma physics, and propulsion, none of which are considered "NE jobs"
gtfo with your NEET ass talking shit because you couldnt cut it

[Anonymous No.7621658]

>>7621655
nuke shill go

[Anonymous No.7621661]

>>7621648
This data is probably reports on job title.
The nuclear company might title positions like "Nuclear Engineer", "Engineer II", "Senior Test Engineer", "Systems Engineer", "Fluid Engineer".

Even though they all have something to do with nuclear, reports only collect the ones with "Nuclear" in the title.

idk though

[Anonymous No.7621663]

>>7621655
You're so mad, now. Your reasoning isn't even relevant only to NE. As >>7621658 said, pls go.

[Anonymous No.7621664]

>>7621658
it's interesting that thats the only response you have when confronted with conflicting information in response to your horrid shitposts

[Anonymous No.7621665]

>>7621653
??
which qt? there are no girls in any of the links

[Anonymous No.7621671]

>>7621665
the pic related in >>7621595

are you a fag or something m8? you don't think he's qt?

[Anonymous No.7621676]

>>7621664
>conflicting information
no, you're just a very obvious shill so nobody is taking anything you say seriously. the only actual info posted ITT >>7621595
was from an EE grad and he fucking rekt your dumb ass. ignoring and hiding your troll posts from here on out, shill. don't forget your thermo exam

[Anonymous No.7621681]

>>7621676
you're really fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.7621691]

>>7621676
>>7621681
guys calm down what the fuck

really who cares, you both will go on to do stupid shit nobody cares about

starting salary doesnt matter, the subject doesnt matter, you both will go on to make some average amount of money doing stuff

[Anonymous No.7621695]

>>7621691
>replying to the shill

[Anonymous No.7621697]

>>7621695
>repeatedly calling out one shill amidst an entire thread of shills
You're just as bad smh tbh fam

[Anonymous No.7621706]

>>7621697
We're all shills. That's the point of this thread. It's just that NE nignog has a death wish and just won't quit even after getting btfo and is just trolling at this point. like >>7621681 what kind of shitty comeback is that? it's just bullshit trolling.

also my degree is better than yours. got a problem?

[Anonymous No.7621709]

>>7621522
No one likes you.

[Anonymous No.7621713]

>>7621709
lol

[Anonymous No.7621717]

>>7621706
>make legitimate points that nobody mentions because i know the fucking industry
>hurr BTFO, u just trollin now
>also my degree is better than yours
no

[Anonymous No.7621720]

>>7621717
What are you, anon?

The nuclear engineer majors ALWAYS shill hardcore. purdue nukefag shills on a weekly basis. this fag ITT is shilling in like three threads right now. he got BTFO and that's the end of it.

[Anonymous No.7621726]

N U K E = S H I T

[Anonymous No.7621732]

>>7621720
see: >>7621681

[Anonymous No.7621734]

>>7621726
objective truth. be sure to snip this OP

>>7621732
see >>7621726

[Anonymous No.7621761]

Daily reminder that nukes are the one true master race.

>>7610830

[Anonymous No.7621762]

>>7621761
see >>7621709 and >>7621658

[Anonymous No.7621771]

Chiming in to let everyone know that the comp sci with comp eng courses and robotics is the GOAT degree.

[Anonymous No.7621774]

>>7621771
>Comp Sci
>Something a 12 year old could master with a couple of books
Top kek

[Anonymous No.7621776]

>>7621774

Time to go to bed, nuke shill

[Anonymous No.7621781]

>>7621771
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.7621782]

>>7621774
>nuclear engineering
>something any mechanical engineer can do with a couple of classes switched out
Top kek

[Anonymous No.7621786]

>>7621776
>Implying that I study something that won't get me a job

[Anonymous No.7621789]

>>7621776
>>7621782
everyone is the same person

[Anonymous No.7621793]

>>7621786

If it was worthwhile you wouldnt have to hide it :^)

[Anonymous No.7621794]

>>7621782
>Implying that I'm a nuclear engineer
ravioli ravioli you are a fagotoli

[Anonymous No.7621795]

>>7621789
you wish, nuke shill

[Anonymous No.7621798]

>>7621794
oh, nuclear engineering undergrad, sorry. you won't be a nuclear engineer anyway being that you won't get a job in it.

[Anonymous No.7621805]

>mfw this thread
No wonder you fucking idiots are all NEETs. You're all too stupid and autistic to make it in the real world. Seriously you're all fucking mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.7621811]

>>7621805
you're projecting your future no-job in NE and subsequent NEET-dom quite a lot, nuke shill.

[Anonymous No.7621815]

>>7621472
I don't see what's wrong with this. Just because Math and Physics takes more intellectual horsepower doesn't mean Engineering is weak. But yeah, math and physics with some talent and good understanding you can really cut your course load. Engineering even if you are very talented is still going to have a fuckton of grind work to do, but that's what makes engineering difficult, lots of hazing to weed out the fish.

[Anonymous No.7621965]

>>7621438
>Physics Major.
Its harder on all fields, done and fucking done. Try writing a doctoral thesis to get a PhD in physics.

Pro Tip: You can't

[Anonymous No.7622003]

>>7621556
i don't know man, it can't be that strenuous considering you have time to waste on 4chan ;^)

[Anonymous No.7623553]

>>7621965
>implying I haven't
engineering was harder

[Anonymous No.7623613]

>>7621965
>comparing a phd to a bachelors
oh wow, you physicists are really smart..
gtfo you dumb fuck sperg

[Let's finish this. No.7623617]

>>7621438
>It ends today.
It will never truly end due to delusional propaganda fed to freshman from departments trying to sell their worthless degrees (good job getting your egos boosted to pay tuition goyum), but lets do a review anyway for closure on /sci/.

Continental eurofags that isn't France or Switzerland are not invited since as we've seen your schools are shit and your degrees are worthless in the West (and Malaysia).

--

Engineering is a professional degree. Job postings for engineers are exclusive to engineering graduates -in most cases you legally need an engineering degree to do any relevant STEM job in industry. Contrary to this entry level science job postings asks for any technical degree often even including BTech degrees. Coming straight out of undergrad an engineering degree completely supersedes a science degree. For no other reason this is why engineering degrees are considered more prestigious by society. Not for any bullshit delusional reason people here come up with. People know what BEng and BSc degrees are worth (or nowadays M replaces B). With the exception of top 10 schools the cream of the crop gets engineering degrees because everywhere else a BSc degree is kind of a shitty deal meant for sub-par students trying to transfer to the engineering school.

Science is a background degree and you need further education either in engineering or grad-school to become a professional. People who graduate in science without further education will at best getting shitty jobs in IT or as a lab assistant or some other kind of support that is essentially taking orders from engineers their age for the rest of their career.

[Let's finish this. No.7623619]

>>7623617
In fact as we've seen from the statistics posted in these threads MOST BSc graduates get jobs completely outside of STEM. ie. Many of these physics and math undergrads circlejerking on /sci/ will not even work in STEM one day. But contrary to popular belief, these salaries are good, they are just not good salaries AND getting to do what we love ie. STEM.


At an UNDERGRAD level (stop posting your fucking QFT problems, no one is talking to you retard) engineering degrees are not only far more difficult due to higher coureloads with more difficult material than introductory science. HOWEVER, good science students will already be taking postgrad level courses in their undergrad to prepare them for a professional career as a PhD researcher whether in academia or in industry.

As we've seen from the curricula posted in major politics threads at a typical shitty Western university a Chemical Engineering course will do everything a Chemistry BSc with no standards and a ton of electives does on top of a massive course load in other engineering and physics courses. We've also seen that most chemistry graduates are in complete disbelief that ChemEs are already publishing both in pure science and in engineering journals at an undergrad level indicating the vast disparity in quality of typical students in both these degrees. It's obvious that some engineering degrees are just objectively superior in every single aspect to their closest science equivalent. However, again this applies to the bulk of chem grads who will not even be working in STEM one day and at best get a crappy QC job after doing a masters. Good students will be taking grad-courses in undergrad, eventually get their PhD and become 6 figure+ earning researchers.

[Let's finish this. No.7623620]

>>7623619
--
tl;dr: If you're an undergrad here's your tier guide. If you're a postgrad and you're not attending a top 30 school you should off yourself anyway. If you're a postgrad attending a top school you shouldn't be reading major politics threads anyway
>God tier: BEng/BSc in accredited Engineering (Chem/EE/NukE), BSc in Physics/Math (attending top schools)
>Top tier: BEng/BSc in Engineering (CivilE, Aero/MechE), BSc in Physics/Math from mediocre schools, but should get into good grad-schools due to publication record+grades etc.
>Mid tier: BEng/BSc in meme Engineering (Industrial, biomed, nano etc.), BSc degrees in niche/applied fields that can get you a STEM job (Genetics, Food science, Material science etc.), Chemistry MSc , BSc in Physics/Math coupled with applied qualifications like CS/IT certs/business/chemistry.
>Shit tier: BSc in shitty fields (Biology, Psychology), Unaccredited engineering, EU engineering degrees (except UK and France), "Engineering technologist" degrees or similar.
>My-autistic-niece-teaching-grade-school-has-the-same-degree-tier: BSc Physics/Math with no applied science qualifications except for teaching shit.
>Just-fucking-kill-yourself-tier: Everything else not listed (includes CCfags in any field).


No go shitpost about something else.

[Anonymous No.7623623]

>Discussion about pure sciences and engineering
>Only a few posts and it already devolved into a who has the bigger penis contest between engineers of different disciplines

And it is said that it is us (math major) who are always talking about how hard our degree is.

Glad to see that every complaint that engineers have against scientists is no more than bitter projection.

btw
>Pure mathematics master race standing strong

[Anonymous No.7623629]

>>7621556
>I'm stupid and a poor student.

k.

[Anonymous No.7623634]

>>7621586
He's obviously lying and an EE shill...

[Anonymous No.7623636]

>>7623617
>Science is a background degree and you need further education to become a professional.

Just going to bring in some data from a berkeley survey

>Chemistry
Lab Technician
Research Trainee
Analytical Chemist
Research Assistant
Avionics ENGINEER

>Job postings for engineers are exclusive to engineering graduates
Already caught being full of shit but lets keep going.

>Physics
Software Engineer
Associate (at a laboratory)
Research Intern
Avionics Engineer
Assistant Project Manager (at a university)
Business Associate

Once again we see titles with engineer on them. But you know delusion delusion.

>Mathematics
Teacher
Data Analyst
Software Development Engineer
Software Engineer
Trust and safe analyst
Associate (laboratory)
Software Engineer
Avionics Engineer

Wow the bullshit line keeps growing.

>Biology
There were too many different types of biology courses with too many different jobs. List would be too long.

Anyways, you are lying and are full of shit.

[Anonymous No.7623640]

>>7621671
I'm bi and he is not "qt", he is not even slightly attractive, very plain for a guy. You must bet that fag just know that you aren't attractive in any social sense of the word.

[Anonymous No.7623641]

You know boys, I love your enthusiasm, but can we please get all this science stuff in your head and turn it into something applicable for humanity? You know, maybe a big operation to finally clean up the worlds oceans, or organize a multinational effort to finally get humanity a foothold in space? Any of you eggheads that can do that?

No? Thought so. Np tho, you can still play with your mechano projects.

owned/10

Signed,
Industrial Engineer.

[Anonymous No.7623642]

>>7623636
>the title of engineer means exactly the position from field to field, company to company
except it doesnt. your example of avionics engineer isnt even real engineering. its like a systems analyst/technician job. its nothing remotely similar to an actual aerospace engineer.

[Anonymous No.7623644]

>>7623641
>Industrial Engineer
fucking LEL

[Anonymous No.7623657]

>>7623642
Once again another engineer posting an opinion rather than actual data.

I guess it makes sense. Engineers aren't even taught how to do mathematical proofs so why would they proof anything at all.

Anyways, because engineers are too lazy the burden falls onto me, pure mathematician master race to bring in the truth.

Searching in a job listings website with the keywords "Avionics Chemistry" gave quite a few results but this one was at the top:

Firefly Materials & Processes Engineers leverage their creative design and development expertise to help develop innovative solutions for the application of aerospace and space systems technologies. You will work in small collaborative groups or independently through all stages of the launch vehicle and spacecraft design. You will support material selection, development, and testing across propulsion, structural, and avionics applications.

Material & Processes Engineers will work under the direction of senior personnel. You will carry out analytical and experimental work as needed. You will grow to be fully responsible for a variety of material systems/applications. Looking for someone who is eager to learn and excited about novel approaches to material problems and innovative materials systems!

Minimum qualifications:
Bachelor of Science/Engineering in Chemical Engineering, Materials Science, Chemistry or a related discipline. MS/ME preferred.

Posting it so that you don't come up with this argument:
>HAHA I WIN! Don't you see! It says Materials ENGINEER. No way a chemist would get hired lol that is so dumb of you XDDDDD.

I'm sure there are also positions for the physicist and mathematician, just like the survey says but:
>The proof is trivial and it is left for the reader to work out.

[Anonymous No.7623659]

>>7623636
Why did you full caps "engineer" on what is literally a technician job title?

"Avionics ENGINEER" is about the same pay and level as "Lab Technician" and "Research Assistant". It's a technician job working under a real professional engineer. This is the precisely the white lie that your departments have told you "you can work as an engineering"; no you can work in industry, you'll be on the same level as someone with BTech diploma and the salary data shows that, legally you can't work any real engineering job.

>Anyways, you are lying and are full of shit.
I gave a very objective analysis and the studies I referenced are at a national level (look up the archives, especially the study done by AIP etc.), not your small sample pool from one school.

BSc grads at top schools know this is true, engineers know this true. The only butthurt comes from the low level BSc students I insulted because they usually have the biggest ego while in reality they are on the lowest rungs of the STEM ladder.

I'm sorry you're butthurt, but it's better you know now then when you graduate anyway so the shock doesn't lead to your suicide.

[Anonymous No.7623662]

>>7623659
>On what is literally a technician job title

Literally ignoring my second post:
>>7623657

But I guess I stand corrected. Engineers can't argue with data for shit so once again I will do the work.

Searching "Avionics Mathematician" in the same website yields:


The F-16 Training program is growing and in need of full time software engineers to support the Block 50/52 F-16C/D Trainers. This position offers the opportunity to support a variety of modeling and simulation assignments, including development of software simulation models for avionics, weapons, and sensors, and development of user and instructor tools for various F-16 training products. The successful candidate will be responsible for completing assignments throughout the software lifecycle, including system design, coding, hardware/software integration and system test.

Qualifications: Bachelor, Master or Doctorate of Science degree from an accredited course of study, in engineering, computer science, mathematics, or physics. ABET is the preferred, although not required, accreditation standard.

[Anonymous No.7623665]

>>7623657
>Engineers aren't even taught how to do mathematical proofs
oh hey another lie from a dumb fuck
>Avionics engineer
>Responsible for performing and documenting basic engineering and testing analyses and substantiation required to support the installation design and certification of technology onboard commercial aircraft.
RESPONSIBILITIES:

Deriving, developing and documenting detailed system specifications from higher-level system specifications and user/customer requirements
Deriving, developing and documenting detailed electronic hardware/firmware design, prototyping, testing, validation, and trouble-shooting to meet system specifications and user/customer requirements
Optimization of system performance with respect to size, weight and power (SWAP)
Track and perform to fast-paced program schedules to ensure timely execution and delivery
Coordinate and communicate with supervisor and among the program team members
Providing technical write-ups to support detailed documentations and bids and proposals
>implying that's not exactly what i said the job was
>math master race
>autistic delusion
you're a fucking idiot m8

[Anonymous No.7623679]

>>7623665
I don't know where you got those responsibilities but from the same website for the same job posting

Responsibilities:
Support numerous interdisciplinary projects spanning the needs of Firefly’s launch vehicles
Design, analysis, and manufacturing of carbon-epoxy composite systems
Statistical Analysis
Hands-on experimental and processing work
Surface characterization, and thermomechanical analysis
testing of metallic and composite material systems
Support research and development efforts and vetting novel material systems

If this is what you call a technician then I guess every chemist in the world is a technician because it requires knowledge of many different fields of chemistry.

[Anonymous No.7623682]

>>7623679
you're comparing two completely different jobs. i looked up actual avionics engineering jobs, and you're moving the goal posts to materials engr and test engineering jobs. like i said before, avionics engineering isnt really engineering, its like systems analysis or component technician. i love it when people from the outside come in and comment on what kinds of work people in other fields do based on shit they read on the internet

[Anonymous No.7623687]

>>7623657
This isn't even something any rational poster on /sci/ is arguing about. Get out retard.

International Washington accord and international engineering alliance:
ASAC (Applied Science Accreditation Commission) which governs your degree cannot give isn't EAC (Engineering Accreditation Commission) and the former does not have the power to award professional engineering degrees.
http://ww.abet.org/accreditation/#collapse-19
>Engineering Accreditation Commission (EAC)
Your degree specifically needs to have the word "engineering" in it to qualify for professional registration. All the other degrees are accredited as ASAC which is not engineering.
http://www.eac.org.my/web/document/FAQ.pdf
http://www.ieagreements.org/Best_Prct_Full_Doc.pdf?7471

Eligibility for exemplifying registration as a professional engineer in the UK requires and academic background in engineering
http://www.engc.org.uk/professional-registration/the-professional-titles/chartered-engineer/
For CEng this is one of the following:
>An accredited Bachelors degree with Honours in engineering or technology, plus an appropriate and accredited Masters degree or Engineering Doctorate (EngD), or appropriate further learning to Masters level
>An accredited integrated MEng degree


Furthermore anything that isn't professional engineering IS NOT REAL ENGINEERING.

You aren't allowed to call yourself an engineer just because your company gave you the internal title:
http://sce.uhcl.edu/helm/SWEBOK_IEEE/papers/10%20reprint%205.pdf
>Calling Software Development Software Engineering
>Unless these activities also include the design of hardware interfaces, power systems, or other engineered components, they do not appear to meet the legal definition of engineering practices.
>It might be more accurately described as "code writing", "product support" or other tasks that the board doesn't regulate.
>...if the practitioner is calling the activity software engineering, he or she is violating the law.

[Anonymous No.7623691]

>>7623657
>Engineers aren't even taught how to do mathematical proofs so why would they proof anything at all.
We had proofs in LA, Numerical Analysis and Real Analysis (a 4th semester module taken after calc) classes which were all offered by the math department to engies.

[Anonymous No.7623694]

>>7623662
These are literally all support jobs for real engineers where it's cheaper to hire a BSc. Everyone knows about these. YOU won't a get a job here, only the top 1% of BSc grads are considered and they are only using you to leverage engineering applicants to take lower salaries in the first place. It's a dead end job for BSc because you can't advance to real and senior engineering positions without a PEng.

See >>7623687.

[Anonymous No.7623696]

>>7623687
>Furthermore anything that isn't professional engineering IS NOT REAL ENGINEERING.

>The company your work at calls you an engineer
>What you do is engineer solutions for your company's problems in whatever your field may be
>You are working with an interdisciplinary team, doing your fair share of the work in whatever your field may be

Y-yeah guys. That is not REAL ENGINEERING.

If your degree does not say engineer but your job title does then that makes my booty hole hurt!

You just wrote a huge post about your own job insecurities. What is it man? Questioning your decision of not going pure theoretical because of the "no jobs" meme?

>...if the practitioner is calling the activity software engineering, he or she is violating the law.
Really! Damn, I guess all of those software engineers that are pure mathematics graduate or physics graduates are all now in jail! I wonder why the survey didn't point out that they are now in jail. They totally made me believe that they were working and getting paid an average of 84k!

Thanks for explaining you all knowing engineers. Your view of the world is perfectly rational.

AND DAMN! I am a pure mathematics student who has had two internships at a software company as a junior software engineer. Whoops! I wonder when the police is coming to get me! I guess I should just turn myself in for my terrible crimes.

[Anonymous No.7623698]

I have to go meet my gf for drinks, fuck you delusional autists and your ego, your degree is shit and so are you, enjoy your memes though.

[Anonymous No.7623699]

>>7623696
>job title and professional title are the same thing
you just keep pealing back layers of your stupidity

[Anonymous No.7623700]

>>7621511
How is that a bad thing? He just stated his opinion, can you read anon?

[Anonymous No.7623701]

>>7623699
I didn't say that.
I said that it is stupid to believe that just because your professional title does not have the buzzword "Engineer" in it then you are forever out of working as an engineer for a company that needs someone with your specific skills.

And now the list is growing
Things engineer don't learn in college:
*How to do research
*Reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.7623706]

>>7623696
Read the citations, fuck off and die. I didn't say any of that, those are quotes. It's what the federal government says.

>I guess all of those software engineers that are pure mathematics graduate or physics graduates are all now in jail! I
The ones that put it on their business cards, email sigs. etc. are fined, yes. Your stupid ego shit and /sci/ memes has real consequences if you try it in the real world. You are violating the consumer protection act among several other industry practice and safety laws:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_protection


I'm not replying to you anymore, you are autistic and you can't read. You are seriously pathetic by trying to argue how bottom barrel IT and tech jobs -which a minority of graduates get in the first place- puts you anywhere near the same level as real engineers with real degrees.

[Anonymous No.7623708]

>>7621526
>hardest major in all of university
I have never heard two people ascribe this status to the same major

[Anonymous No.7623712]

>>7623701
>I didn't say that.
Yes you did or your reading comprehension sucks.

>I said that it is stupid to believe that just because your professional title does not have the buzzword "Engineer" in it then you are forever out of working as an engineer for a company that needs someone with your specific skills.
Except that's not what the publication says fuckwad.

It's saying "code development" is not the same thing as software engineering which is about hardware interfacing/low level programming in industrial settings.


Congratulations you are officially on the same level as a Political Science major trying to argue she's a real scientist. You are trying to ride on professional titles for your ego.

[Anonymous No.7623715]

>>7623706
You know, same. I'm done arguing with you. So instead I will give you this short story:

>X engineer is working at company
>He does Y, Z, C, etc,
>X Engineer is fired
"Damn, my company found someone that they could pay less to and just dropped so shit."

"Fortunately for me, my awesome engineering degree gets me jobs like its nothing."

>Engineer is hired at a new company
>Now he does *the same shit he did before*

But worry not!
Earning 70k - 80k

>Mathematician is working as a software engineer
>Mathematician quits job after 3 years
"I guess I just got bored. Doing the same thing does not intellectually satisfy me. I need something new."
But worry not, the mathematician has also a few companies wanting him!
>Mathematician is hired at a new company
"Yes. Now I work as a Statistician. I work with a team of other professionals, turning their numbers into meaningful information that we can use to further the success of our company. Awesome!"
or
"Yes, now I work at a laboratory."
or
"I realized that teaching is my true calling!"
or
whatever.

He earns 50k - 100k

[Anonymous No.7623717]

>>7623715
>all engineering jobs are the same
>engineers arent the new physicists
>engineers arent the bulk of R&D positions

[Anonymous No.7623718]

>>7623717
also
>engineering
>earning 70k-80k
>not 60k-200k

[Anonymous No.7623725]

>>7623717
>All engineering jobs are not the same.

Just because at a company engineers work doing X and at another they work doing Y doesn't mean the jobs are entirely different.

You do the same general thing. Doing the same procedures and analysis.

The only engineer that has a radically different job is the one that is hired to be the lead and designer of whatever the engineering team is doing.

And lets face it, that is one guy. He is also relatively old, with 10 - 20 years of experience, a masters and 5 years in the company.

>>7623718
Well, I have nothing against this.

[Anonymous No.7623727]

>>7621447
this.

stand united, or be divided and conquered, /sci/.

[Anonymous No.7623728]

>>7623725
i mean a degree in X engineering doesnt pigeon hole that person to a job as an X engineer. you could go from nuclear engineer to materials science job to ME, etc.

[Anonymous No.7623746]

>>7623636
>>Biology
>There were too many different types of biology courses with too many different jobs. List would be too long.
Fuck you have no idea.
>Oh anon what are you in
Biology
>Cool! What's you're major? Marine biology? Genetics? Ecology?
Plant biology
>Oh so like evolutionary biology?
No, physiology of plants.
>Oh so like phisiology biology with a minor in botany?
No. Plant biology.
>So botany?
Kinda?


In all my schooling I have had one prof with a Ph.D in the field (lol) I want to go into, unfortunately she is a bit of a bitch so I'm unsure if I want to ask her for undergrad work

[Anonymous No.7623754]

>>7623687
>Eligibility for exemplifying registration as a professional engineer in the UK requires and academic background in engineering

Bruh, I appreciate the argument that you're making, but it's only a partial picture you're giving

http://www.engc.org.uk/engcdocuments/internet/Website/UK-SPEC%20third%20edition%20(1).pdf

You can also become CEng by:

>Applicants who do not have exemplifying qualifications may demonstrate the required knowledge and understanding in other ways, but must clearly demonstrate they have achieved the same level of knowledge and understanding as those with exemplifying qualifications.

Which is why the Iop also provides advice to physicists working towards CEng status. Moreover in the very link you provided:

>You can still become a Chartered Engineer without these academic qualifications

Also the term "engineer" isn't a protected term in the UK, however titles like "Chartered Engineer" are.

[Anonymous No.7623755]

>>7623634
nuke shill go

[Anonymous No.7623762]

>>7623617
>>7623619
>>7623620
woah

[Anonymous No.7623770]

>this thread
holy shit

[Anonymous No.7623777]

trips for nuke master race

[Anonymous No.7623781]

>ctrl-f
>gay
>no results

[Anonymous No.7623787]

>mfw i've talked to actual engineers already in their mid career IRL
>all of them tell me that if they ever had layoffs at their company, they had job offers immediately and were working within two weeks each time
>never had no job
>all say they make easily more money than they need to be comfortable with
>EVERY SINGLE ONE tells me that their physics/maths/chemistry buddies ended up working odd jobs, very few ended up in STEM and have made little
wow
>go to their friends in physics/maths/chemistry
>all confirm that they wish they just went into engineering in the first place

yeah, go ask some people actually doing this shit IRL and it's p obvious that the engineers are fucking loaded and have nice lives compared to the science guys. the fact that /sci/ even needs this debate just furthers the disconnect from reality.

Put it this way, the engineers all had cool stories of work they were doing, places they traveled to, two of the electrical engineers had Teslas, all of them have nice cars or at least very well taken care of vehicles etc, and the science guys are living in apartments in the city, don't have cars or they do and they're POS because they don't know how to take care of them or could'nt afford anything decent. It's just a joke to even think that going into science is a good idea if you're smart.

This was probably 28-30 men and women that I talked to in total. Maybe 18-20 were science people.

[Anonymous No.7623812]

>>7623770
>>7623762
>>7623781
>tfw retarded and watching smart people fight

[Anonymous No.7623835]

>>7623812
>tfw

[Anonymous No.7623896]

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43061.pdf
>S&E Occupations with the Fewest Projected Job Openings, 2012-2022

>Mathematical science occupations, all - 70
>70
>seven zero

[Anonymous No.7623972]

how does one get an entry level engineering position anyway. 7 months of sending our resumes and cover letters to job boards posting have yielding shit.

[Anonymous No.7624005]

>>7623972
What was your major and GPA?

[Anonymous No.7624006]

>>7623972
>>7624005
and what were your internships?

[Anonymous No.7624007]

>>7623972
Show up to some small employers and give them a resume in person, keep sending out resumes, use your university's network, talk to friends in the industry to see if they know anything.

It's hard, bro. It took me a solid year of looking to get a real offer for a full-time job. Don't be afraid to take up an internship while you're looking, though. They can very easily become a full-time job.

I recently got mine after I responded to a job posting for a part-time job for grad students. When I showed up to the interview, I explained to them that my goal was to work full-time and to do grad classes in the evening. I had a full-time offer by the end of the day. I got lucky, basically.

[Anonymous No.7624019]

Seems like everyone here is worried about jobs and salary.

I'm just happy to study what I like.

[Anonymous No.7624023]

>>7624019
reading that was probably the gayest thing i've ever experienced in my entire life, and I'm a faggot.

[Anonymous No.7624030]

>>7624023
Engineer major right?

[Anonymous No.7624037]

>>7624019
This is a good point.

Some people are just trust fund babies, and they will never have to worry about paying the bills. If they want to get their pure math degree or whatever, why not? It's just like richfags getting a degree in sculpture or Victorian literature or whatever. It enriches them as a person and they get to live the college experience for four years, maybe even meet a rich qt3.14 to have rich babies with.

I really enjoy math, physics, and making an impact on the world, and I also need to make sure that my parents can retire. Engineering was a really good choice for me; I get to work on big projects, apply my engineering skills, and I make almost as much as my parents combined doing it.

[Anonymous No.7624044]

>>7624019
>liking anything
>choosing majors based on what you enjoy
>not what makes you richer and intellectually superior to others
enjoy a lifetime of happiness, fucking normie

[Anonymous No.7624049]

>>7624044
Your ideal lifestyle sounds insecure

[Anonymous No.7624051]

>>7624030
maths, actually. i work as an analyst. :)
>>7624044
this

[Anonymous No.7624054]

>>7624019
>nobody that makes good money likes their job
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.7624056]

>>7624019
So am I tbh. I don't get why my fellow engineers (supposedly) don't enjoy studying and working in their field.

Maybe they should have chosen EE like me.

[Anonymous No.7624058]

>>7624051
im studying mathematics
is it strange that you studied math to be superior and I’m studying it because I enjoy it?
who is superior here?

[Anonymous No.7624061]

>>7624054
I didn't say or imply that.
If you have to fish for things to say your feedback means nothing

[Anonymous No.7624066]

>>7624058
>who is superior here?
the engineers

[Anonymous No.7624075]

>>7624066
socially sure,
fair enough

[Anonymous No.7624078]

>>7624019
>enjoying things
>living life to its fullest
>going to university to learn something you actually enjoy and not worrying about life after graduation
You're a fucking faggot.

>>7624066
this

[Anonymous No.7624081]

>>7624075
and in terms of knowledge base, job availability, salary, coolness of jobs, etc

[Anonymous No.7624084]

>>7621513
Beware of this engg. faggot in disguise.

[Anonymous No.7624090]

>>7624081
pretty sure socially covers salary and job coolness

[Anonymous No.7624092]

>>7624066
To support this anon, everyone please see this chart. It accurately presents that engineers are the best.

[Anonymous No.7624098]

>>7624084
I actually think it's maths phaggot trying to say EE is easier than maths.

>>7621513
>if you can't succeed in maths, go do CSE or EE because they're obviously so much easier
nah, off yourself

[Anonymous No.7624105]

>>7624092
>>7624081
>>7624061

For fucks sake engineers. Is there a way to sound more insecure than that?

Does engineering school come with depression so that you need to artificially boost your ego to survive?

I think I should start a business that is a hotline for engineers. No, not a gay hotline. One where engineers call me and I pretend to be a physics student so they can tell me all about how their superior salaries and shit and get their nice ego boost.

How much should I charge per minute guys?

[Anonymous No.7624106]

>>7624098
i think he's just saying that if you're not a top student in maths that is practically guaranteed a post-doc position etc, you're wasting your time and should just go into something where you'll get a job like engineering or whatever.

[Anonymous No.7624108]

>>7624078
I didnt say anything about living life to the fullest. Sounds tacky.

I simply want to live life my way. Why would I go to school for something just because everyone else thinks its cool? To fit in?

[Anonymous No.7624112]

>>7624108
>Why would I go to school for something just because everyone else thinks its cool?
nobody even said this.

[Anonymous No.7624113]

>>7624105
Even if you charged a penny a minute you would make profit.

[Anonymous No.7624114]

>>7624108
> Why would I go to school for something just because everyone else thinks its cool? To fit in?

Are you aware that you are talking to engineers right? The #1 meme degree.

>muh salary
>muh job prospects
>muh interesting career

It is literally all a cry for attention.
And believe me that this is true except for the top 10% of engineering students. The ones who are at the top do it out of love and that is they succeed while every /sci/ engineer had to repeat 2 years because they were too busy shitposting to study.

[Anonymous No.7624116]

>>7624105
>so insecure that he has to start a hotline for sexy engineers attention
wow anon is handsome EE in >>7624112 too much for you?

[Anonymous No.7624119]

>>7624112
guess cool was the wrong word,

was implying that I am not going to school for social aspects like salary, job coolness, superiority

[Anonymous No.7624122]

>>7624116
I'm sure you would know about sexy boys.

>Daily reminder that engineers go gay because they got cucked by science students and they got too salty.

[Anonymous No.7624123]

>>7624114
top 10% engineers are literal alphas, though. they beat out everyone and work at fucking NASA/Boeing/SpaceX/cool place right out of graduation and have a qt girlfriend/are married already and have more than 5 guy friends and 10 girl friends that will bend over backwards for a single text from him because he's so alpha.

[Anonymous No.7624125]

>>7624114
>I want to study an interesting and useful degree and then go on to have a successful career
that sounds like a cry for attention to me too

[Anonymous No.7624132]

>>7624125
It would be if that statement came with

>Shitposting all day
>Calling out everyone who doesn't study engineering
>Calling out everyone who studies an engineering discipline that they consider inferior
>Calling Tyrone to fuck them in the ass

[Anonymous No.7624140]

>>7624132
>Shitposting all day
That is what everyone on /sci/ does including yourself.

>Calling out everyone who doesn't study engineering
That's the purpose of this thread, and once again, you are guilty of this too.

>Calling out everyone who studies an engineering discipline that they consider inferior
Ok. It's the same thing you're doing except slightly more specialised.

>Calling Tyrone to fuck them in the ass
ebin

You're actually a monumental idiot.

[Anonymous No.7624143]

>>7624108
>Why would I go to school for something just because everyone else thinks its cool?
school is for nerds and by definition will never be cool

[Anonymous No.7624151]

>tfw grandma is paying for entire university cost

What should I study that I won't regret afterwards?

[Anonymous No.7624153]

>>7624151
double major in womens studies and african american studies

[Anonymous No.7624155]

>>7624153
but i'm not a woman or african american so I have no reason to major in those things...

[Anonymous No.7624157]

>>7624155
cuck has no color or sex m9

[Anonymous No.7624161]

>>7624153
cuck detected
>>7624151
physics + economics double major

god-tier combo

prove me wrong, faggots.

[Anonymous No.7624163]

>>7624161
Why physics and economics?

Is it so that you can become a well paid scientist and if it fails then go work for a bank to steal money from people and get that sweet 100k a year?

If not then Mathematics + Economics would be a better mix. It fits together better too.

[Elon Musk No.7624167]

>>7624161
Hello, I'm Elon Musk.

That's a great idea, anon. You'll learn about our physical world in physics and our society in economics. This will allow you to excel in whatever field you choose and you will be an extremely valuable human being.

Trust me, I'm Elon Musk.

-Elon Musk

p.s. this is what I, Elon Musk who is typing this, majored in.

[Anonymous No.7624170]

>>7624167
Sorry if you already answered this, but are you Elon Musk?

[Anonymous No.7624172]

>>7624167
>Daily reminder that if you had rich parents then whatever contribution you have given to society is literally meaningless

[Louis C.K. No.7624180]

>>7624170
I don't know, man. He's being pretty vague, really.

[Anonymous No.7624185]

>>7624167
>decide to google "elon musk education"
>"elon musk ed"
>first suggestion is elon musk edison tesla

[Anonymous No.7624191]

>>7624161
>>7624163
>>7624167
>>7624170
>>7624172
>>7624180
>>7624185

[Anonymous No.7624257]

>36 posters
This circle jerk though

[Anonymous No.7624295]

>>7624257
that's how many people are on /sci/ though

[Anonymous No.7624298]

>>7621494
That's because it's axiomatic

[Anonymous No.7624324]

>Engineering majors
>hurr durrr I haz 60k a year after collage
>Fuck you m8 my major is harder
>Graduate
>Get job designing screws for vibrators and writing shitty documentation reports.
As any working engineer will tell you that engineering sucks in the real world. You're not designing cool shit. You will be analyzing or improving some shit project that's been in the work for 30 years. You will be caught in meetings after meetings about what should we designed or improved on our current models. Writing TPS reports all day, and taking orders from the Chads who major in business or the pure science kids who became project managers. Engineers also have poor job security. They're constantly moving job to job because your job is depending on the project you're working on. Your salary caps five years after college, and by the time you're 35 your friends who major in liberal arts or business make more money than you. Even the law school kids make more money htan you. So you freshmen in engineering get ready for a dose of reality when you graduate. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK. This is why that girl you like got double teamed by two chads while you were jerking off to her recent instagram picture. Engineers are also the most hated employees in every company. Napoleon complex is a huge problem with engineers.

[Anonymous No.7624332]

>>7624324

[Anonymous No.7624334]

>>7624332
Check the GS level. That's a GS-15 aka 20 years of experience needed. Also that's the top 1% income for nuke engineers. Hell, even for all disciplines.

[Anonymous No.7624338]

>>7621447
so say we all anon

[Anonymous No.7624339]

>>7624324
>designing screws
>he thinks this
lol i bet you couldn't even hand me a fucking flat head screwdriver when i ask for it you fat sheltered weeb

[Anonymous No.7624343]

>>7624324
>the butthurt
it's okay business major, you'll make your 40K at graduation. you weren't smart enough to handle STEM, it's okay.

[Anonymous No.7624350]

>>7624324
calm your tits, son. you sound extremely embittered and have an odd focus on cuckoldry despite it having nothing to do with the discussion. Seems like you have some repressed feelings.

Are you ok? What's making spend ages writing that wall of diarrhea that no one gives a fuck about?

[Anonymous No.7624354]

>>7624350
fucking rekt

[Anonymous No.7624364]

>>7624324
>by the time you're 35 your friends who major in liberal arts or business make more money than you. Even the law school kids make more money htan you.
Let's say you are right about the business and law school people.
Ok, so? Studying Business is literally for people who just want to make a shit ton of money. That's LITERALLY what business is about. STEM is a passion.
Law people, well I guess it depends. Are they lawyers? Then yeah, they're gonna make a lot of money.
But now, liberal art majors aren't gonna make more than me. To be honest, I don't surround myself with a lot of other college kids. I come from a poorer area, and stick to other people like me.
Did you really just say i'll make 60k a year after college? Wow, that's more than my parents make combined. Some chick I know studied liberal arts, now she works in a nursery home and cleans old people's assholes.
It really shows that you're a spoilt entitled brat who grew up in a rich environment
>hurr everybody goes to college and studies STEM, business or law
inb4 tumblr please go

[Anonymous No.7624397]

>>7624364
rekt

[Anonymous No.7624448]

>>7623725
My first internship was at an R&D lab, sorry to burst your bubble, but engineers can work any job in industry you're imagining right now, except for more money.

[Anonymous No.7624456]

>>7623787
Yes, the problem is /sci/ thinks it's fucking operator and will get Nobel prizes early career or some shit.

[Anonymous No.7624468]

>>7624019
>>7624037
>>7624056
>>7624058

This is the only time I will ever agree with those "college is a Jew's piggybank" anti-establishment fuckwits, but you do not need a degree at all if you're just studying something for your own enjoyment.

Also being passionate about what you do and getting paid for it is not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.7624469]

>>7624105
>How much should I charge per minute guys?
Whatever you want, we can afford it.

[Anonymous No.7624477]

>>7621438
Both majors for weaklings addicted to objective correctness. Escapism at its worst. You will never approach the subjectivity of the real 0/10 next time try sculpture

[Anonymous No.7624489]

>>7623617
>>7623619
>>7623620
/thread

[Anonymous No.7624503]

>>7621438
Memes will never die
But you will

[Anonymous No.7624513]

>>7623617
>>7623619
>>7623620
snipped

[Anonymous No.7624519]

Alright faggots. We've heard all the final arguments.

Time to proxypoll and end it once and for all:

http://strawpoll.me/5869220


Results will be posted on all departmental bulletin boards worldwide.

[Anonymous No.7624545]

>>7621438
>endless, mindless competition
>incapable of understanding necessity for cooperation
>success = how much money I get

Americans will turn even their universities into cheeseburger factories. None of you deserve the legacy of knowledge and wisdom left to you by your betters.

[Anonymous No.7624552]

>>7624519
sciencefags on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.7624562]

>>7624552
>sample size of 6
>drawing conclusions

typical engineer's attempt to understand mathematics

[Anonymous No.7624565]

>>7623617

>legally needing a degree.
>europe is bad engineers!!!!

This is factually wrong except for a couple sectors,

[Anonymous No.7624567]

>>7624562
don't do it, anon.

[Anonymous No.7624569]

>>7624324
Just typed average salary for business degree on Google and this came upThough salaries for engineers didn't increase as much as salaries for other specialties, engineering is still the top-earning degree, with an average 2013 starting salary of $63,000. That's up 4% from 2012. Computer science majors come in second. Business majors make the third-highest salaries at $54,000.
Forbes has a whole article about it.

[Anonymous No.7624576]

IF you guys are soo superior why do oyu guys have to tell everyone? Isn't that counter-intuitive? Does engineering really suck that much thta you guys need to brag about it on a Bangladeshi origami board.
>B-school kids
>yeah I'm happy with 50k
>liberal arts kids
>i'm happy with my knowledge and 40k job
>Pure science I love the pursuit of knowledge and making 45k
>engineering kids
DYEL FAGGOTS I IZ GOING TO MAKE 200 GORRLIAN DOLLAROOS I GOING TO FUCK SUPER MODEL. MY MAJOR IS HARDEST AND BEST, FUCK YOU LOSERS.

[Anonymous No.7624580]

>>7624576
lol you're so mad

[Anonymous No.7624582]

>>7624580
Typical engineering major retort. Stick with high school level retorts.
>>>/g/
>>>/v/
>>>/b/.

[Anonymous No.7624588]

>>7623613
>implying I'm not comparing them as doctorate in engineering to doctorate in physics.

Go and fucking educate yourself faggot.

[Anonymous No.7624590]

>>7624576
>>7624582
>>7624588
>this thread
sciencefags can't handle it

[Anonymous No.7624592]

>>7623553
>Implying you did.

Proof faggot.

[Anonymous No.7624596]

>>7624519
>>7624552
SUICIDE WATCH

[Anonymous No.7624597]

>>7624588
then youd know that phd engineers have to write a fucking dissertation as well, not to mention the groundbreaking research they needed to do to get to that point.

[Anonymous No.7624602]

>>7624596
oh come on. people are intentionally voting for engineering now

[Anonymous No.7624607]

>>7624602
>they can't even believe it
lmao the delusion ITT

SCIENCEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

[Anonymous No.7624610]

feel free to save this

[Anonymous No.7624633]

>>7624610

Saving something factually wrong to troll.

I expect nothing better from engineers.

[Anonymous No.7624639]

>>7624633

1. Engineeringfaggotry
12 votes (86%)
2. Sciencefaggotry
2 votes (14%)

14 total votes

don't make a mistake, anon. time heals all wounds.

[Anonymous No.7624640]

>>7624610
QFT was in my final year of undergrad. It wasn't too intense but it certainly was there.

[Anonymous No.7624642]

>>7624639

>faggotry.

Indeed.

[Anonymous No.7624648]

>>7624005
>>7624006
very low and no internship

[Anonymous No.7624652]

>>7624007
>talk to friends in the industry
never made friends

[Anonymous No.7624653]

>this thread
wow, you physics and maths guys are pic related

[Anonymous No.7624655]

>>7624648
>>7624652
You're fucked, then. This isn't a science degree. You can't be an idiot anti-social pencil neck and get by.

[Anonymous No.7624671]

For you to even try to move anywhere in science and math you need a PhD. Even though getting and engineering degree may be harder than a math or science degree at a bachelor's level, no one in the world cares that you have bachelor degree in physics, you are literally worthless without masters and Phd. And getting one is miles harder than much of what engeenirs will do ever in their life.

Also, the fact that just a few manage to achieve something in science or math is not a detriment to the field, but rather, it shows how difficult the subject is.

[Anonymous No.7624673]

>>7624610
Noice, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.7624680]

>>7624597
Yeah but you don't have to

A: create your own doctoral thesis on how the universe works.
B: Propose some grand unifying theory.
C: Support current theories to identify anomalies and variables that were practically unsure if they even exist yet. i.e. Possible substances on what dark matter is or mapping light as both a particle and a fucking wave.
D: Solve a problem that is on equal magnitude to a millennium problem. Such as Yang-Mills and Mass Gap.

Fuckin Stephen hawking didn't even get his PhD until he proposed the theory of the big crunch as well as the math for it.

[Anonymous No.7624684]

>>7624671
>Also, the fact that just a few manage to achieve something in science or math is not a detriment to the field, but rather, it shows how difficult the subject is.

It's mostly just a condemnation of your academic system and shows that capitalist competition fails when applied to what should be a cooperative intellectual enterprise. Throw thousands of warm bodies at a problem as cheaply as possible, keep the few that stick, and throw everyone else away. That's the capitalist way.

[Anonymous No.7624686]

>>7624671
>all of this damage control
wew if only you did so much work before getting dropped from engineering you might have had a chance

[Anonymous No.7624689]

>>7624686
>dropped INTO engineering

FIFY

[Anonymous No.7624691]

>>7624689
that doesn't happen NEET sperglord

[Anonymous No.7624694]

>>7624691
Evidence?

[Anonymous No.7624697]

>>7624689
yeah that has literally never happened at my uni. all of the drops go into physics/maths or the really shit ones go to business.

[Anonymous No.7624700]

>>7624694
the absolute fact that engineering programs have higher entrance requirements. higher GPA, more credits? lol you actually think a physics undergrad is hard? don't even bother with engineering, then. you wouldn't last a single semester.

[Anonymous No.7624701]

>>7624694
engr has the most stringent entrance requirements, and you cant switch into it without a sufficiently high GPA. nobody switches into engineering, but plenty switch out into easier majors like math, phys, business, and econ

[Anonymous No.7624703]

>>7624697
Happens at my uni all the fucking time. Also, you must have a really shit physics program if engi is a tier above physics

[Anonymous No.7624704]

>>7624655
so school was just pointless then?

[Anonymous No.7624707]

>>7624703
stop pretending not to be NEET

[Anonymous No.7624708]

>>7624700
>>7624701
Holy shit, were talking entrance to doctorate not entrance to bach.

[Anonymous No.7624711]

>>7624707
I'm sorry? Is name throwing all you can do in a logic based argument? If so, then I can see why you think engi is the hardest of all doctorates out there.

[Anonymous No.7624714]

>>7624684
Fuck off comie, the soviets had that exact model and the US was mostly on par or better than them in STEM research. But they had the most strict standards for any STEM.

>>7624700
Again, no one cares about a bachelor's in physics. It is juts a pass to even get a chance at a PhD. And it is not jusr academia jerkoff. "Getting" the subject requires far more depth than what you engeenirs think.

[Anonymous No.7624716]

>>7624694
lmao people actually think shit like this? You legitimately think that science majors are harder to get into than engineering?

>>7624708
>>7624711
>>7624714
>lol i ment doktorate
lol nice goalpost switching you absolute nutter

[Anonymous No.7624717]

>>7624680
>A: create your own doctoral thesis on how the universe works.
Neither do science majors who do some crappy condensed matter project because it's all they got funding for.
>B: Propose some grand unifying theory.
No one does this.
>C: Support current theories to identify anomalies and variables that were practically unsure if they even exist yet. i.e. Possible substances on what dark matter is or mapping light as both a particle and a fucking wave.
Astro grads might do this. No one gives a fuck.
>D: Solve a problem that is on equal magnitude to a millennium problem. Such as Yang-Mills and Mass Gap.
Yes. All PhDs can solve millennium problems. NOPE

Your post is beyond ridiculous. You have no idea how easy it actually is to get a physics PhD. It's not any more difficult than other STEM. Stop over glorifying academia, you're going to be extremely disappointed.

[Anonymous No.7624721]

>>7624714
>soviets

State capitalism. Same as capitalism. No surprises there.

[Anonymous No.7624725]

>>7624716
I wasn't even post switching faggot.

Refer to:
>>7624680
>>7621965
>>7624588

[Anonymous No.7624728]

>>7624717
Nigger I AM doing literally one of those things to get a doctorate in my physics degree within my university.

[Anonymous No.7624730]

>>7624728
good for you

[Anonymous No.7624731]

>>7624728
>Nigger I AM
>therefore it is commonplace and required at all universities
gtfo you shitter

[Anonymous No.7624734]

>>7624694
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2014/2014001rev.pdf

[Anonymous No.7624735]

>>7624731
What kinda shit tier university do you attend to?

[Anonymous No.7624740]

>>7624735
top 10 in pretty much every engr discipline, at both the graduate and undergraduate level, top 10 in chem, cs, vet medicine, pharmacy. my dept has more publications per faculty than MIT

[Anonymous No.7624741]

>>7624716
>>7624716
>Goalposting
>/sci/ is le one person maymay
I just started posting, I've always agreed that engineering can have more coursework (even though most often than not the courses are less rigorous) and are generally more difficult than a sience or math related degree.

But any scientists who can be called a scientist will tell you how usless a bachelor's degree is.

[Anonymous No.7624744]

>>7624734
Now show one on physics maj.

Nice editing to favor your bias faggot.

[Anonymous No.7624745]

>>7624734
As you can see, we have engineers dropping after by second year and the physics science and maths numbers increase. This is because freshman engineers dropped into physics/maths because they couldn't handle engineering. Feel free to read the entire study.

[Anonymous No.7624747]

>>7624721
>MY SPECIFIC AND SPECIAL VERSION OF COMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED
Fuck off you worthless hippie.

[Anonymous No.7624749]

>>7624740
Oh shit, what uni? Did one of your faculty win a field medal too? No,no,no, wait maybe a Nobel prize?

[Anonymous No.7624750]

>>7624744
>cant read the image
see >>7624745

[Anonymous No.7624752]

>>7624744
...you don't know that physical science is literally physics/chemistry?

man you physics/maths guys are just total idiots, tbh.

[Anonymous No.7624753]

>>7624745
>Physical Sciences
>Can be chem bio and any other fuck wat of sciences
>No list for physics only

[Anonymous No.7624755]

>>7624750
See
>>7624753

I bet your ass all of them went for chem and other sciences excluding physics.

[Anonymous No.7624756]

>>7624734
>>7624745
this so hard. stay fucking mad you dropped engineer STM faggots.
>>7624753
>physical science
>bio
>no list for physics only
lol there is no list for any one engineering major only either you fucking fake faggot.

[Anonymous No.7624757]

>>7624747
>COMUNISM
>i r engineer
>i r smrt lol

I think the main problem with engineers is that they're the same Rand-obsessed kiddies who shitpost their master race fantasies on /pol/. Note that their posts match exactly once you rile them up a bit. Why are engineers such reactionary nitwits, /sci/?

[Anonymous No.7624758]

>>7624755
holy fuck this is hilarious
b8 or not youre a riot m8
delusional as fuck

[Anonymous No.7624761]

>>7624752
Do I even have to write a definition out for you?

physical science. Any of several branches of science, such as physics, chemistry, and astronomy, that study the nature and properties of energy and nonliving matter. Compare life science.

[Anonymous No.7624762]

>>7624753
>>7624755
show where there is one major being shown anywhere on that list, please. You're literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.7624763]

>>7624701
I switched into it from physics

[Anonymous No.7624764]

>>7624757
Im studying physics you nigger, read the reply line at least you twat.

[Anonymous No.7624770]

Why so much people drop engeering is mostly bullshit and inference. An equally valid explanation is that they got tired about handwavy explanation on every calculus course they took.

[Anonymous No.7624771]

>>7621438
Why the fuck do people not understand that sciences are about furthering the progress of humanity? Not a fucking competition who get the most money on what field and getting bragging rights like, LOL shit I'm SOO HARD CUR B/C I study MORE.

[Anonymous No.7624772]

>>7624764
Oh, then maybe engineers are smarter. Way to shoot yourself in the foot, there. Keep on protecting the "free world" from the "comunists [sic]", genius.

[Anonymous No.7624773]

>>7621652
kek

[Anonymous No.7624775]

>>7624770
we take the same calc courses as phys and math majors..

[Anonymous No.7624779]

>>7624771
Ikr. Ya'll just circle jerking like the fucking NEETS you are.

[Anonymous No.7624780]

>>7624761
Do you want me to show you what Engineering/technologies stands for? kek because it's way longer than your little list, m80.

Aerospace, Aeronautical and Astronautical Engineering
Agricultural Engineering
Architectural Engineering
Biochemical Engineering
Biological/Biosystems Engineering
Biomedical/Medical Engineering
Ceramic Sciences and Engineering
Chemical Engineering
Civil Engineering
Computer Engineering
Construction Engineering
Electrical, Electronics and Communications Engineering
Electromechanical Engineering
Engineering Chemistry
Engineering Mechanics
Engineering Physics
Engineering Science
Engineering
Environmental/Environmental Health Engineering
Forest Engineering
Geological/Geophysical Engineering
Industrial Engineering
Manufacturing Engineering
Materials Engineering
Mechanical Engineering
Mechatronics, Robotics, and Automation Engineering
Metallurgical Engineering
Mining and Mineral Engineering
Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering
Nuclear Engineering
Ocean Engineering
Operations Research
Paper Science and Engineering
Petroleum Engineering
Polymer/Plastics Engineering
Surveying Engineering
Systems Engineering
Textile Sciences and Engineering

I can post the technology majors if you'd like.

[Anonymous No.7624784]

>>7624764
You're alright tbh (to be honest) fam.

[Anonymous No.7624786]

>>7624780
Holy shit, I can basically sum all of that up into one degree.

>Mech engineering.

[Anonymous No.7624787]

>>7624770
actually, engineers take harder calculus classes... at least at my uni (top 50 worldwide). they have to have extra projects, basically. i noped the fuck out p quick.

[Anonymous No.7624790]

>>7624786
kek your stupidity is silly at this point

[Anonymous No.7624793]

>>7624757
>>7624764
lol they literally are turning on themselves at this point. this is great

[Anonymous No.7624796]

>>7624780
>I have hur dur bigger lsit of shit
>Therefore its harder

Gtfo of here you autist

[Anonymous No.7624797]

>>7624771
>Why the fuck do people not understand that sciences are about furthering the progress of humanity?
Because we aren't living in the fucking Renaissance.
>Not a fucking competition
It is in every sense of the word.
>who get the most money on what field and getting bragging rights like, LOL shit I'm SOO HARD CUR B/C I study MORE.
Sure, but there is zero reason for you to attend university other than bureaucratic.

Science today is about GETTING to work in science. Only the best of the best get trusted to work in SEM because it gives control over so many resources. Most people earning degrees don't get to work in STEM, the most they will ever do to "furthering the progress of humanity" is to prepare some Alpha's Starbucks.

[Anonymous No.7624806]

>>7624772
Not him, but you sound like a teenager. Fuck off and come back when you've grown up.

>Way to shoot yourself in the foot,
As if your opinion matters retard. No one here cares about your reddit attitude of trying to assign intelligence to your political viewpoints. Everyone thinks people who don't have their viewpoints are retarded it's nothing new.

Fucking NEETs I swear...

[Anonymous No.7624807]

>>7624775
>>7624787
This is mostly bullshit told by engeering departments. Also, PDE and complex analysis is baby math compared to what physicists see in the future. But my main point was that infering why many engeenirs drop is stupid.

[Anonymous No.7624811]

>>7624796
read what the reply was even to and shut your retarded mouth so I don't have to waste my time explaining why I posted that, because I gladly will and embarrass your stupid STM ass.

Actually, fuck this twat. I'll explain it anyway.

>>7624734 is posted

STM goes on damage control and posts >>7624744

>>7624745
>>7624752
explains why he's a retard

>>7624761 didn't listen and thinks he has to clarify his stupidity

>>7624780 is posted to debunk that engineering is somehow one degree and that the chart is biased towards engineering, even though he couldn't even explain how that is other than
>there is no physics one
when that would be physical science on the chart

tl;dr you're a retard, congratulations

[Anonymous No.7624813]

>>7624807
>Also, PDE and complex analysis is baby math compared to what physicists see in the future.
Topos and MA really isn't as difficult and abstract as you want to believe it is. You're also pretty naive for thinking engineering majors stop learning new math after second year.

[Anonymous No.7624815]

>>7624807
>PDE and complex analysis is baby math compared to what physicists see in the future
>le compare undergrad engineers to phd science students meme
wew you are fucking mental fam

this thread is full of engineers btfo of you benders with hard stats and then you lot making some stupid excuse and calling for yet more evidence (which is then provided).

literally in denial

[Anonymous No.7624816]

>>7624797
Wait so we have to be in the fucking Renaissance to progress humanity? Then what the fuck is science even useful for nowadays?

[Anonymous No.7624819]

>>7624797
>Getting to work IN science
>Working in such a sector sin't progressing humanity

Are you okay?

[Anonymous No.7624820]

>>7624807
lol
>bullshit told by engineering departments
calculus isn't taken at different schools in the uni, genius. everyone takes it the "E" rated ones are the same exact class but with extra projects related to engineering to make it harder. this is at my uni and my friends who went to other unis have it the same. you're also comparing an undergrad to a grad so it really doesn't make sense anyway.

>>7624811
ahahaha rekt

[Anonymous No.7624823]

>>7624816
Science is not about progressing humanity. What drives science today is getting more grant money and pubbies.

[Anonymous No.7624827]

>>7624823
Isn't that grant money offered to literally progress humanity in some way?

[Anonymous No.7624832]

>>7624813
>Topos and MA really isn't as difficult and abstract as you want to believe it is.

Because those subjects are still not the actual challenges you face as a well formed physicists. And besides this, they are "harder" than most engineering math courses.

> You're also pretty naive for thinking engineering majors stop learning new math after second year.

You win the best strawman reply of the year faggot

[Anonymous No.7624835]

>>7624823
Well fuck, guess science isn't about humanity's progression anymore guys! Lets cancel bionics, all space programs and keep churning out that fukin oil.

[Anonymous No.7624836]

I love how all of the engineers are actually providing statistics and studies to back themselves up and the sciencefags just keep making excuses or change goalposts.

like wow dude I didn't think I'd actually see this.
-----
1. Engineeringfaggotry
15 votes (83%)
2. Sciencefaggotry
3 votes (17%)

18 total votes
-----
SCIENCEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

[Anonymous No.7624839]

>>7624823

[Anonymous No.7624840]

Mfw as a mathematician I dropped into engineering for masters.

At a certain point its hard to give a shit about math. Anything beyond analysis im feeling is kind of pointless. Engineering graduate courses feel like undergrad math courses but I actually get to see shit do things irl.

[Anonymous No.7624843]

>>7624839
Fuckin' Morganites man.

[Anonymous No.7624845]

>>7624815
>>7624815
>Hard stats,
>Engineers drop out more........ 1 source
>Some stupid shit about nuke eng..... 1source
Well, my fault for thinking engineers actually know any sort of stat.

[Anonymous No.7624846]

elitism aside, is engineering as hard as people here make it out it to be?

I dropped out of high school when I was 17, was a total degenerate, took communtiy college classes and failed most of them, briefly went to jail, joined the army, got kicked out of the army, travelled for a while. Im 22 with almost nothing to show for it. about a year ago something happened that made me want to get my life on track, i finished my associates (liberal arts kek), started working out, stopped abusing substances, been developing better habits in general. (posting on 4chan right now is something of a lapse)

In the spring I am starting an engineering (mech or EE) major at a state university. How fucked am I? Can I undo 8+ years of laziness and bad habits? are there a lot of nontrads in engineering programs?

[Anonymous No.7624848]

>>7624836
>I love how all of the engineers are actually providing statistics and studies to back themselves up and the sciencefags just keep making excuses or change goalposts.
that's the core of the argument tbh. the reality is not the way the STM lot wish it was so they argue using emotion and shifting of goal posts.

[Anonymous No.7624849]

>mfw engineering won
I'm glad. I'm from /biz/ so I have no dog in the fight, but engineering is objectively a more respectable area of study and we at /biz/ have been lurking ITT this entire time. Good job, engineers. You guys are always the responsible ones that know how to get shit done and I respect that.

[Anonymous No.7624851]

>>7624846
You have more work to do, but you could say the same about working at a garage. As to "mental" dificulty it is pointless to debate it when most guys here are on their first semester thinking that their calculus proofs are "beautiful" or that their intro to programing class is so abstract.

[Anonymous No.7624855]

>>7624849
seconding this
/biz/raeli reporting, accounting. basically the nursing major for guys. gg engineers.

[Anonymous No.7624860]

>>7624846
post in the /sci/ feels thread about this.

[Anonymous No.7624864]

>>7624848
>saying we WON the most childish debate in STEM to date.
Im really disgustedthat my fellow engineers, have so low self esteem. Literally mi dick is bigger than you argument.

[Anonymous No.7624873]

>>7624836
>Literally lying

About 100 posts back I came in to defend science.

I brought both data from a Berkeley study as well as job postings from job searching websites.

Overall I showed the list of jobs people were getting after physics, mathematics and chemistry.

Then I looked for job postings online that confirmed that these positions were actually hiring chemists, physicists and mathematicians. (Because some engineers thought that Berkeley was lying in their report and said that these jobs weren't actual jobs)

But you know engineers. Stay delusional. Like I said, I have never met people more delusional, butthurt and depressed than /sci/ engineering students.

[Anonymous No.7624879]

>>7624846
Nah not really, everything you have to do is the equivalent to garage work with some studying on the side. Based on your life choices and your drive, you are mentally prepared to all of the stress as well as the work of engi, tenfold, and then some.

[Anonymous No.7624881]

>>7624873
and then you got BTFO because your shit jobs like fucking lab tech and avionics "engineer" aren't engineering jobs, theyre basically assistants to engineers, and you're trying to glorify jobs that any bachelors graduate is qualified for

[Anonymous No.7624882]

>>7624846
Ausfag undergraduate engineer here. Honestly it's definitively not as hard as people make it out to be, just take things 1 week at a time and keep up with the weekly coursework/study (for the love of God do this, falling behind sucks dick) and you'll be fine. Just try not to get into a group with retards/be the retard for any group projects.

[Anonymous No.7624883]

>>7624843
I liked morgan

[Anonymous No.7624884]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmd4OLzhQw0

good work engineers, you earned it.

[Anonymous No.7624886]

>>7624864
>Literally mi dick is bigger than you argument.
that's what this thread is you plankton. can't you even read?

>Im really disgustedthat my fellow engineers, have so low self esteem.
you're being really silly if you think this thread is actually going to have any effect on us engineers lives. also, shoo shoo STM faggot, you're not fooling anyone.

[Anonymous No.7624887]

>>7624771
Someone's butthurt that he couldn't get to engi

[Anonymous No.7624888]

>>7624879
>everything you have to do is the equivalent to garage work with some studying on the side

[Anonymous No.7624889]

>>7624887
What the fuck? How did you come to that conclusion?

[Anonymous No.7624891]

>>7624864
>>7624879
>>7624889
stay mad STM
>>7624873
and you got BTFO

[Anonymous No.7624892]

>>7624883
There can be only one.

[Anonymous No.7624894]

Engeeneers are dumb

[Anonymous No.7624896]

>>7624888
Yeah, like I said, basically garage work with some studying on the side. Did I not type that out correctly the first time? Or do you think that big words and long winded questions to simple solutions after knowing your shit makes it harder?

[Anonymous No.7624898]

>pic related
lmao
>>7624894
see >>7624734 and >>7624745

[Anonymous No.7624901]

>>7624881
>and then you got BTFO
I can't argue with that because I won't lower myself to meme-spouting level.

>your shit jobs like fucking lab tech and avionics
Call them shit jobs all you want. It said that Mathematicians were getting an average of 84k. And if you read the entire study that is significantly more than all engineers except for EE, who were getting much more than anyone else.

Remember that the memes you shout are
>xD no jobs
or if you get cornered
>xD well you may have jobs but xD just shit jobs
A job that pays 84k is not shit, even if you literally pick up shit from the street.

>Aren't engineering jobs
But they were. But once again you bring in the argument of
>xD you aren't an engineer so if your company hires you to be one it doesn't matter

>basically assistants to engineers
You don't know that. Job postings said that you would work under senior personnel. I think that you don't need to be an engineer to stay long enough in a company to get a lead position. I think it is about your hard work, regardless of the buzzwords you have in your college degree.

>you're trying to glorify jobs that any bachelors graduate is qualified for
Once again, literally lying. But you know, it is fine. Even if it were true, mathematicians were earning higher than average in these positions (software engineer I mean).

Stay salty my friend.

[Anonymous No.7624905]

>>7624896
completely incorrect. studying is the largest portion of an engineering degree. hardly garage work with some studying "on the side".

[Anonymous No.7624906]

>>7624655
not an idiot , just didn't care for most of it
I was a NEET that was forced to go to uni after my parents got sick of me being a useless piece of shit , so I pretty much half assed everything ,putting the absolute minimum effort into studying and homework even failing classes at times. I started caring toward the end, even making 4.0 GPA semesters but at that point it didn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.7624909]

>>7624896
Yeah, seriously. That stuff is just basic electrodynamics, thermodynamics, etc. They're being asked to apply it in situations that are slightly more specialized, but the theory they're using is super simple. Do engineers really think that stuff is hard?

>durr physicists don't have to do hard stuff like Laplace equation

Ok, sure thing scrubs.

[Anonymous No.7624912]

>>7624901
>I can't argue with that because I won't lower myself to meme-spouting level.
lmao sure m8
>>7624896
what the fuck drugs are you on?
>studying on the side

[Anonymous No.7624915]

>>7624898
thats because scientists dont bother with garbage like that. only engineers feel the need to prove themselves

[OP No.7624916]

NEXT MAJOR BATTLE THREAD
>>7624897
>>7624897
>>7624897
>>7624897
NEXT MAJOR BATTLE THREAD

[Anonymous No.7624918]

>>7624905
Do you know how to even take notes properly? Or even research on how to get better at studying? Its literally only 4 hours of studying a day is you know what techniques work and which don't.

[Anonymous No.7624919]

>>7624901
all I see is damage control

[Anonymous No.7624922]

>>7624912
Once again, ignoring all of the significant points I'm trying to bring.

But okay, if what it takes is for to me lower myself to meme-spouting level then I guess I will do it, for the sake of objectivity.

You say I got BTFO? Na m80 I rek'd and shrek'd that guy lel xD. Retweet me?

Now, will you give an answer to my other points?

>>7624919
>Objective data collected by a prestigious research university is damage control.

19/29/15 - The day engineers officially announced that they don't care about real data.

[Anonymous No.7624923]

>>7624891
What the fuck?
How did it get from this?
>>7624771
to this?
>>7624891

I'm just putting a serious note on what science as a whole is, how the fuck did I even get sucked into your guy's shitstorm?

[Anonymous No.7624925]

>>7624896
that's a lot of words to say nothing at all.
engineering is literally a physics degree that is actually useful, hence why we get paid so much more

[Anonymous No.7624927]

>>7624898
>>7624898
He didn't even read the godamm thing, just inferred bullshit.

[Anonymous No.7624930]

>>7624925
Are you getting your anons mixed up? what the fuck is happening here?

[Anonymous No.7624932]

Get 404'd, idiot
>>7624928
>>7624928
>>7624928
>>7624928

[Anonymous No.7624933]

>>7624927

[Anonymous No.7624935]

>>7624925
rekt
>>7624930
stay mad you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.7624938]

>>7624930
no you're just repeating yourself, without saying anything relevant. does this look like "garage work" whatever the fuck that means

[Anonymous No.7624943]

>>7624932
nobody cares fag this was the real battle

[Anonymous No.7624947]

>>7624938
>muh hands on
people that think engineering is "hands-on" are fucking retarded.
>garage work
what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.7624948]

>>7624925
>engineering is literally a physics degree that is actually useful
>end-stage capitalism
>only people who are directly involved in making widgets are useful
>this is how you can tell society is reaching its end

[Anonymous No.7624951]

>>7624935
>>7624935
I'm not even in a physics degree what the fuck? I was just trying to give advice to this anon here >>7624846 b/c I'm in a Mech. engi. major.

[Anonymous No.7624956]

>>7624951
go do some
>garage work
you fucking mechanic

[Anonymous No.7624957]

>>7624938
>>7624947
>>7624905
Its like you people think garage work JUST means doing it all hands-on without the designing portion.

[Anonymous No.7624959]

>>7624956
Holy fuck, I didn't know you plebs would even get mad at me categorizing designing and building as garage work. How are all of your sensitive egos doing?

[Anonymous No.7624976]

Okay, everyone back off. Let the adults do the talking.

Data from:
>http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/bachelors

Will only post early career earnings.

PetroE 100k
NukE 68k
Actuarial Math 58k
ChemE 69k
EE 65k
CS 69k
CE 67k
AeroE 65k
MiningE 71k
ME 61k
AerospaceE 64k
Physics 55k
Materials E 64k
Applied Math 55k
Math 52k
CivilE 55k

Ignoring Petro E, because we all suck compared to them...

>Engineers boasting about literally about a few extra Ks

Anyways
Everyone in STEM gets fucking paid well. Are you happy? Go live a fulfilling life with whatever path you chose.

[Anonymous No.7624978]

thread already died and reached bump limit as engineering won. you're late to the battle.

[Anonymous No.7624982]

>>7624976
And an extra piece of data to defend my own degree. Searched specially for the
>maths get no jobs
memers

>A whopping 95 percent of mathematics majors and 92 percent of those majoring in statistics or mathematical decision science fields are employed.

[Anonymous No.7624983]

>>7624976
>nuke
>high starting salary, high mid-career salary
>average salary the same as phys PhD with just a bachelors
>get to do badass research and shit spanning as many fields as you can imagine
>cutting edge of materials science, cancer therapy, energy generation, plasma physics, nonproliferation, laser science, the list goes on and on
absolutely based, masterrace/10

[Anonymous No.7624995]

>>7624983
nukefag pls

also where the fuck were you for the entire thread? where the fuck was your
>nukular engineering master race/engineering woo
shit then motherfucker? you shill all day long 24/7 but then when the battle happens you hold it back? m8 i expected more of you especially.

who even gives a fuck now m80. the battle is already over. you're talking to a field of dead STM fags. it would have been nice to have an NE to bring out some big guns.

[Anonymous No.7625004]

>>7624995
exam tomorrow >> shitposting
besides, everyone knows engineering is superior, it's not like they need me to clarify that.

[Anonymous No.7625019]

>>7625004
>exam tomorrow >> shitposting
true

[Anonymous No.7625060]

>>7624191
Oh shit nigger.

[Anonymous No.7625071]

>>7624982
that is in line with the employment rate of the general population and is meaningless.

what you actually want to know is how many mathematician are employed in STEM, and more specifically in mathematics jobs. A link posted earlier showed that mathematics fields have literally the worst prospects in the country.

as others have said, the battle really is over.

[Anonymous No.7625082]

This entire thread is /pol/ tier. Engineers run around shitposting about muh money like uneducated junior high schoolers because they've never seen the inside of a humanities classroom. Way to be a cog in the machine, dimwits.

[Anonymous No.7625091]

>>7625082
>implying i didnt get As in all the bullshit history, sociology, and poly sci retard classes

[Anonymous No.7625099]

>>7625082
>Way to be a cog in the machine, dimwits.
>Engineers run around shitposting about muh money like uneducated junior high schoolers
pots, kettle

[Anonymous No.7625113]

>>7625099
>every side of all arguments are the same

This proves my point. This is what uneducated people think. You've just been trained to mechanically apply science you don't understand to make widgets. That's not being educated - that's being a trained monkey. Bro. Now run along; some of us care about knowledge more than money.

[Anonymous No.7625118]

>>7625113
the quintessential NEET autist
watching retarded popsci videos on youtube doesnt make you a scientist you dumb pleb

[Anonymous No.7625122]

>>7625118
I have a Ph.D. in physics. Bro.

[Anonymous No.7625129]

>>7625122
no you dont. you're a bad lier.

[Anonymous No.7625130]

>>7621438
Einstein and Feynman had a physics degrees. Are you going to tell them they made a bad decision?

[Anonymous No.7625136]

>>7625129
>lier

Haha, ok guy. I don't feel the need to prove myself to an engineering peon. Go use the magical formulae that we gave you to make another iPhone for the retarded consumers - you'll feel better about yourself afterward, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.7625141]

>>7625136
like i said, and engr degree is just a physics degree that's actually useful

[Anonymous No.7625146]

>>7625136
your facade is paper thin m8. like really bad

[Anonymous No.7625153]

>>7625141
It's hilarious that you think any of that is the least bit difficult. It's just a bunch of babby-level stuff that requires a lot of symbols to write out. Spherical harmonics? Those are the angular solutions to the Coulomb potential wavefunctions. We learn that in first year undergraduate quantum mechanics. Big deal. You think we're impressed with a bunch of integrals? That you can put l = whatever and m = whatever into a formula? What a laugh.

[Anonymous No.7625162]

>>7625153
>first year undergraduate quantum mechanics
that's not a course. youre a fucking idiot. QM is a third year course you NEET imposter faggot

[Anonymous No.7625170]

>>7625162
First year of, not first year in college, engineering bro. Shouldn't you be crying and running back to your /pol/ safe place with the engineers and other similarly-uneducated lumpenproles by now? I'm sure they'll try not to drool on you this time when you go in for a group hug.

[Anonymous No.7625178]

>>7625162
Also, QM usually starts in second year. Maybe you British fellows are a bit slow, though.

[Anonymous No.7625862]

>>7624846
Nothing in undergrad is hard for intelligent people, but someone like you will drop out first semester.

[Anonymous No.7625867]

>>7624873
No, the guy who posted the actual sources and national statistics fucked you up after proving that you are literally breaking the law for trying to call code monkey jobs software "engineering".

Pathetic that you're still trying to argue over this.

[Anonymous No.7625878]

>>7624922
Your source literally has no data points, it doesn't even list any data on nuke. Use a national data source.

In fact we gave that data to you in the previous thread, but you intentionally chose to ignore it because math is much much lower on the list. Below most other majors and far below the top 10 which is all engineering.

That's why you're meme. You're not addressing all the arguments, from your very first post you picked one irrelevant sentence and chose to ride that out when it's already been addressed in previous threads and here though you still ignore it.

[Anonymous No.7625886]

>>7624976
>Only posting early career.
>Ignoring how big the gap becomes mid career.
>Ignoring the fact that more ambitious engineers earning PEs make over 150k mid career.
>Ignoring the fact that this isn't possible without an engineering degree.
>Thinking sub 60k is a livable salary.

No, there will be no compromise. Engineering is superior in every possible aspect. Everything is is for manchildren and women.

[Anonymous No.7625894]

>>7624982
The problem is that the majority of those "employed" are working minimum wage in fucking retail as the statistics in UK show.

[Anonymous No.7625899]

>>7625082
>Implying cog

We are the machine. Literally most company owners and fortune 500 ceos studied engineering. 7/10 of the world's richest people either studied engineering or inherited wealth from an engineer (not even including Bill who did CS).

Seriously only lib arts faggots bitch about conformity because they know their career and salary prospects are daunting. Not to mention they'll never get to work on what they want to because they never studied something that commands respect.

Also
>Everything I don't like is "/pol/"

Could you be any more of a pathetic low class closet gnomie faggot?

[Anonymous No.7625904]

>>7625122
Yes, no time stamp will accomplying that claim will it my NEET friend who dropped out of sociology?