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Anonymous Fri Oct 16 18:53:05 2015 No.7594902 [Reply] [Original]

No talk of the potential discovery of a Dyson Swarm?

>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html
>This was consistent with the mass of debris that surrounds a young star just as it did with our sun before the planets formed. However this star was not young and the debris must have been deposited around it fairly recently or it would have been clumped together by gravity – or swallowed by the star itself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 19:09:27 2015 No.7594934 How many times are you going to make this thread?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 19:25:10 2015 No.7594960 File: 77 KB, 720x589, ayylmaoooo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] there was a pretty good ayylmao thread a few days ago until it derailed ayy

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 19:26:26 2015 No.7594961 lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 19:27:10 2015 No.7594963 A

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 23:42:21 2015 No.7595353 A

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 16 23:43:11 2015 No.7595355 Y

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 00:06:36 2015 No.7595405 Surely someone at SETI has pointed an ear or two at KIC 8462852 by now. I don't see any press conferences being called, so...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 01:46:22 2015 No.7595533 Y

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:02:57 2015 No.7595553 L

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:06:42 2015 No.7595562 M

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:16:04 2015 No.7595572 NO

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:26:54 2015 No.7595590

>>7594902
This is the tenth time we have made this thread. This seems exceedingly inefficient.

Anyway, just to sum it up:
>The relevant actual papers:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1509.03622v1.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.04606v1.pdf

>What is it probably not?
It's not instrument error.

It's probably not intrinsic variability - its spectra, temperature, and the particular time scales and shapes of the light curve dips dont' match known classes of variable stars.

It's not the nearby star interfering with the signal - it's just too big of a variation.

It's not dust clouds from a protoplanetary disk or something - it doesn't have the accretion signature or IR excess that would suggest it was the kind of star that usually has those. Also, since no other stars observed by Kepler have this light signature, while the known types of star that do have dust-cloud signatures are pretty common, it would be pretty weird if it were such a star.

(However, this wouldn't be a problem if it was an isolated star, an outlier much younger than all the surrounding stars - Wright, the astronomer who proposed the "aliens" hypothesis, thinks this is the most likely explanation. However, there's no evidence that it is anomalously young right now.)

It's not dust clumps from catastrophic asteroid collisions - the existence of dense irregular dust clumps would imply the existence of spread-out dust clumps as well, and that would create a strong IR excess in the smooth component between dips that we just don't see. Nor do we see dips from partially-spread-out clumps.

[cont]

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:36:58 2015 No.7595603

>>7595590
[cont'd]

It's (probably) not big dust clumps from a recent catastrophic planetary collision, with the irregularity between the two events explained by a 750-day orbital period and a change in cloud shape between the orbits - because the dust would have to eventually spread out and create a strong IR excess, the collision would have had to occur *between* the first WISE observations and the end of the Kepler mission, a very short time window of just a few years. This seems exceedingly unlikely - and there are also two smaller dips that didn't repeat after 750 days.

>It's not dust clumps made long-lived by being held around a planetesimal at the center - there would have to be some really big ones to explain the super huge dips (which would lead to instability), and anyway that wouldn't explain why the events were clustered in time at around 750 days apart, or why there were several deep dimming events but no intermediate ones.

>So what are we left with?

One fairly attractive hypothesis is that we're seeing a comet in a fairly elliptical orbit which has broken up into chunks at perigee. However, this would require a *lot* of comets to explain the very large dips, and you'd expect to see light-curve shapes that showed signs of cometary tails, which we don't see.

Or maybe we're wrong about the star's age, it's actually an isolated young star somehow, and it's just got variable light output.

Or, possibly, it's a swarm of bigass solid objects with irregular shapes - and it's hard to imagine how such things could form naturally.

Or, most likely, we're missing something and WTF-001 is something weird and new we've never seen before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:46:55 2015 No.7595618 If they're aliens and this was 1400 light years away, wouldn't they be another 1400 years more advanced?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 02:51:59 2015 No.7595625 >>7595590

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 03:51:49 2015 No.7595668 >>7595618 yeah, for you

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 03:58:20 2015 No.7595670 >>7594902 >potential discovery No. Lrn2potential

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 05:46:46 2015 No.7595750 >>7595618 Not if they're already dead and the swarm is just the relics of their civilisation

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 06:26:28 2015 No.7595789 >>7595618 The same way we would be 1400yr advance for them. lrn2relativity.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 07:07:49 2015 No.7595834
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>>7594902
Goddammit not this thread again. And you didn't even post the new ayy-lmao arXiv preprint:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1510.04606

Shame on you OP, shame on you. Pic related is from the paper

captcha NINE MILF ave

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 07:18:26 2015 No.7595847 Its just a big cloud of dust. Aliens-of-the-gaps fags are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 07:28:37 2015 No.7595863 what if its just 2 stars orbiing eachother, and when one goes behind the other there's less light

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 07:32:26 2015 No.7595867 >>7595863 wow you solved it, where can we send you your nobel prize

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 07:40:50 2015 No.7595871 >>7595867 your mom's house m8, I'll be there every night this week

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 08:04:22 2015 No.7595883 >>7595867 sry what is a nobel prize?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 08:21:34 2015 No.7595894

>>7595847
Except the researchers who did the analysis are pretty sure dust is the one thing it definitely isn't.

Read the damn paper before you spout words off based on what you concluded after reading a clickbait article.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1509.03622

The current hypothesis is comets, but there's some doubt over whether that could produce the necessary magnitude of occlusion, and the shape of the light curve might not match.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 08:46:47 2015 No.7595912 >>7595894 The crucial thing is the faggot star that sits nearby. What do we know about it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 09:38:38 2015 No.7595954 >>7595618 Nope. Relativity, man. They're just as advanced as how we're viewing them now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 09:45:40 2015 No.7595968 >>7594902 >No talk of the potential discovery of a Dyson Swarm? THERE'S AT LEAST 5 DIFFERENT THREADS FUCK YOOOOOOOOOOU

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 10:07:35 2015 No.7596004 >>7595968 So what? This is the most interesting thing happening in astronomy in the last few weeks. Better this than engineering vs science threads ffs

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 10:34:08 2015 No.7596061 just send someone there to check it out lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 10:57:43 2015 No.7596103 article title: start near the milky way so theres some star chillin on its own out in space outside of the milky way? heh

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 11:27:43 2015 No.7596142 >>7596103 There actually are stars like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 11:28:58 2015 No.7596146 File: 55 KB, 720x502, 1442635951094.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7594902 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ7RaOMHb5I AYY LMAO

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:17:20 2015 No.7596348 File: 13 KB, 243x181, 1433106384881.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7594902 Where are the pictures of this thing? NASA is doing a great job at being suspicious, and confirming all of the conspiracies that NASA is covering up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:29:43 2015 No.7596384 >>7595912 Only that it is a red dwarf, that is could possibly harbor an Oort-like cloud of cometary objects, and the best estimate is that it is within the gravitational influence of KIC/WTF.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:36:31 2015 No.7596395
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>>7596146
Interesting, but it appears to me to simply be a typical artifact of the corona, and the way it blends into the black background makes the brain think it's a spherical object. Like how you can create shapes in your head, pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:37:20 2015 No.7596397 File: 896 KB, 1550x1184, KIC8462852still15oct2015.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596348 Here is one from Thursday.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:37:32 2015 No.7596398 >>7596395 well fuck. It's supposed to be a white background image, should've noticed the file extension before I posted. But you get the idea.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:41:57 2015 No.7596411 File: 490 KB, 1582x977, KIC-8462852_composite.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596348 Here it is on a composite map.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:43:23 2015 No.7596412 File: 201 KB, 1582x977, KIC-8462852midfield.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596348 And a midfield map composite.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:46:31 2015 No.7596418 File: 38 KB, 920x640, UKIRT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596348 This is the infrared image showing no overage as one would expect from a dust cloud, collision, or asteroid swarm.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:47:46 2015 No.7596421 File: 20 KB, 920x628, companionDrwaf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596348 A-H band infrared comparison of KIC and her companion red dwarf, not to scale. The dwarf is not very dusty either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:48:29 2015 No.7596423 File: 22 KB, 500x452, kansiza triangle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596398 No, I really don't get the idea. Who would make an image like that without making the whole thing either white or transparent?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:52:27 2015 No.7596430
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>>7596348
Here is a superb simple illustration of how flux data is collected from transits. this also shows how freaky KIC is - KIC's transit occlusion object has to be at least ten times the diameter of the blue planet in this example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:54:14 2015 No.7596435 > We can detect dust clouds 1500 light years away How?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:54:59 2015 No.7596437 File: 59 KB, 580x354, KICcloseup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596348 And finally, another published blowup of the most recent Virtual Telescope Project image.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 13:57:46 2015 No.7596443
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>>7596435
Most convincingly, by spectroscopy of light of stars behind the dust passing through the dust. Wavelength lines in spectra correspond directly to molecular or elemental identity, so this is most conclusive. pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 14:00:23 2015 No.7596447 >>7596423 It's a .png image file that matches the background-color of whatever web page you embed the file into.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 14:00:39 2015 No.7596451
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>>7596435
>>7596443
Secondarily, by the dust cloud's infrared emissions, which are light, but warm invisible light, like wht comes out of your tv remote control (which you can see by firing the remote into your phone's camera).

Pic related.

KIC has no such shroud at any infrared wavelength.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 14:26:44 2015 No.7596489 >>7595954 Ok. I'm legit stupid but can you explain how that works to me? Shouldn't the images we see of them be 1400 years old?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 14:30:37 2015 No.7596497 >>7596489 no, l2relativity

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 14:58:20 2015 No.7596566 >>7596384 But why wouldn't the majority of the objects of the oort cloud be attracted into KIC itself? Why would they come to stay in orbit?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:04:51 2015 No.7596578

>>7596489
In our "now" we are seeing the star as it was 1400 of our years ago. The current state of any ay lmao that may be there "now" is irrelevant, since no information from us or them can transit in less than 1400 of our years.

So for the purposes of thinking of how "they" are, there is no "now" for them, since any information about that state can only reach us after 1400 years. There is only what we see in our "now."

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:06:32 2015 No.7596580 >>7596489 I'm trying to learn myself. From what I gather KIC 8462852 distance of 1,465 light-years from Earth being seen with Kepler is using infrared which is not the same as the visible light we see.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:07:33 2015 No.7596582

>>7596566
They might be spiralling into KIC. They might have been in the act of falling in when they were observed. The observations were not constant. If I recall, there were sporadic observations from 2009-2011. But Kepler died in 2013 (for the purpose of these data) and no one was in position for the predicted 2015 event (April). We'll know more during the next event, which I am sure many telescopes will be watching.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:11:26 2015 No.7596587 >>7596580 Same anon, anyone willing to agree or disagree, feel free to explain. Only my guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:27:02 2015 No.7596616 >>7596582 It'll be May/June 2017 right?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:33:32 2015 No.7596631
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>>7596580
>>7596587
Infrared - yes. Kepler was making observations in various parts of the spectrum. See imagery here
>>7596418
>>7596421
Optical here, in composite:
>>7596411
>>7596412
and here, also in averaged optical composite (visible light)>>7596437

Data such as pic related, are algorithmically derived simple aperture photometric curves, which are made by counting individual electrons being excited by individual photons("photoelectrons" in Kepler speak), so these flux curves are whole-spectrum light sums.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:34:27 2015 No.7596636 >>7596582 We have to wait for James Webb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:34:37 2015 No.7596637 >>7596061 Don't know why but this made me laugh

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:39:20 2015 No.7596646
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>>7596447
I get that, I'm just not sure why they didn't go all the way.

They also could have done it like this without completely compromising the entire point of the illusion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:43:17 2015 No.7596650 >>7596636 This can't possibly be true. Fuck our underfunded space programs.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:44:29 2015 No.7596653

>>7596616
Extrapolating from the 700-odd day interval, yes, May 2017. But there was plenty of random flux > 5% other than the big dips.

I have seen at least one mention that the MEarth telescopes at Harvard are going to start watching almost immediately, but their web site is overwhelmed at the moment, and I can't get a gateway.

And the Virtual Telescope Project whipped around on it on Thursday >>7596437 . There are thousands of amateurs out there with 14 and 16 inch telescopes, and I'm sure many of them are talking about nothing else.

For obvious reasons.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:45:50 2015 No.7596655

>>7596423
>Who would make an image like that without making the whole thing either white or transparent?

They probably made it by making a black triangle in a blank file, adding 3 circles, then adding a solid white triangle on top to easily make the necessary cutouts in one easy step.

Someone forgot to check the background colour was also white.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 15:53:24 2015 No.7596667

>>7596650
That or the square kilometer telescope. The only savior of the space program is the Chinese. Those guys are funding so much money into their space program. Its not even for military purposes. Its all for research. They maybe the first country to land on Mars.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:00:25 2015 No.7596691 File: 2.15 MB, 1576x1591, 1438654784175.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7594902 Now let's get to the important question, can we fuck ayy lmaos?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:07:02 2015 No.7596707 Now the most important question are the ayy lmaos going to invade?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:07:05 2015 No.7596708 >>7596578 But what if they have ftl? Still doesn't matter much because they would still be seeing us 1.400 years in the past right?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:17:04 2015 No.7596729
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>>7596707
This is interesting because you would think that a civilization advanced enough to build Dyson Sphere megastructure would also be pretty advanced when it comes to space travel. They can't travel at the speed of light but maybe they're pretty close to reaching that speed and they're on their way here now. Seeing as they're 1400 light years away, the ayylmao invasion could happen anytime within the next 2,000 years if the ayylmaos already know we exist and are planning to confront us.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:21:49 2015 No.7596738

>>7596708
Dyson's original thought bubble was motivated by energy consumption of a geometrically expanding population of human-like food consumers. In other words, it was a population explosion thought experiment.

There was a lot of this kind of thing in the 60s and 70s. Everybody extrapolating then current growth rates and arguing about Malthusian cataclysms.

About energy though. That was the point. That there would be a natural evolutionary course, where his Swarm construct would precede interstellar travel because of the basic necessities of energy demand.

So the progression of a super-long-lived intelligent, peaceful, mono-{whatever]-cratic culture would be something like:

basic tools>tech tools>molecular control>atomic control>[energy deficit]>Dyson construction>[energy surplus]>spacetime control.

So if we are seeing a Dyson civilization, they are probably not FTL yet, because the need for a Dyson sphere is more self-centered, at the cultural level.

tl;dr: They need the energy just to live.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:22:38 2015 No.7596741
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>yfw the scientists working on this confirm that it is in fact ayylmaos but theres nothing we can do about it because of lightspeed and relativity
>all the humanoids on the planet go crazy from knowing of the looming ayylmao threat and not being able to understand why we cant defend ourselves against it
>humanoids get paranoid and wage World War III on each other
>ayylmaos visit Earth with peaceful offerings of advanced technology
>humanoids wiped themselves off the planet in fear and hatred
pottery tbqh

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:23:59 2015 No.7596743
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> dims every 2 years
> only observed for 4 years
> only observed twice
> pattern

If it dimmed only twice then you can't call it a pattern fagets. It's most likely 2 different big asteroids. Let me know when it periodically dimmes 20 times.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:25:48 2015 No.7596748

>>7596729

>hello we come in peace we received information that the son of God will be born on this world and that servants of evil described by our seer as "foul parasitic creatures with large olfactory systems that have a peculiar fascination with shiny things" will try to kill him
>we are here to prevent that catastrophic for the universe scenario

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:27:57 2015 No.7596753 >>7596748 Too late.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:31:33 2015 No.7596763

>>7596708
>>7596729
Along those same lines as >>7596738 we ourselves are at the [energy deficit] stage ourselves. And some ideas that are pretty out there about solving our own energy problems using lunar-solar transmission have made it all the way to the US congress. (See "Criswell")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power

The US Dept of Energy has a plan for a planetary Dyson array:

http://www.energy.gov/articles/space-based-solar-power

And the Japanese have a complete business proposal:
http://www.space.com/23810-moon-luna-belt-solar-power-idea.html

So the ay lmaos may be only slightly ahead of us on a purely technological scale.

The more disturbing aspect of a Dyson level civilization is that they are going to be much more cooperative among themselves than we are among ourselves. And there will have to be more of them. A lot more. they would have to be almost insectile in their ability to cooperate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:33:11 2015 No.7596767 >>7596743 The area covered is larger than the star itself. What else encompasses a star (natural or otherwise) but a dyson sphere?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:33:26 2015 No.7596768 >>7596748 >Hello we come in peace. 2000 sols ago we sent our emissary to speak the word of our race. Do you by any chance know where he is? >YOU HUNG HIM ON A CROSS >KILL THE HUMANS >The AYY LMAO WAR BEGINS

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:37:25 2015 No.7596780 >Matroska brain where ayy lmaos are living the dream in a VR with futa catgirls

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:37:27 2015 No.7596781 >>7596767 > What else encompasses a star (natural or otherwise) but a dyson sphere? There's 450,000,000 kilometers between us and the star, take your pick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:38:33 2015 No.7596784 >>7596768 Oh god, it would be horrible if aliens turn out to have religions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:40:34 2015 No.7596789 >>7596763 >So the ay lmaos may be only slightly ahead of us on a purely technological scale. that was 1400 years ago. they could already be disembodied uploads in hyperdimensional ships timetraveling at the edge of the multiverse

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:41:03 2015 No.7596791 >>7596784 >super advanced aays believing in space unicorns top kek. Stupididy has no end as Einstein said I guess.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:41:41 2015 No.7596792

>>7596738
>So if we are seeing a Dyson civilization, they are probably not FTL yet, because the need for a Dyson sphere is more self-centered, at the cultural level.
But we are seeing that 1.400 years in the past, on the "present" time there they might as well already have an ftl transportation or even better, instant transportation.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:42:01 2015 No.7596793

>>7596784
if the ayylmaos are advanced enough to come visit us then they probably prioritize science over religion or spirituality. however if we ever go out and visit other ayylmaos that are bound to their planet I'm sure they'll be just as crazy about religion as humanity. religion is not a unique concept, its something that pretty much every civilization will go through at some point

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:42:41 2015 No.7596794 >>7596791 You can be sure that even if we reach the stars after 5000 years, we will still have a religion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:43:13 2015 No.7596795 why exactly isn't it considered that this occultation is caused by small asteroids from our solar system just passing by?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:44:43 2015 No.7596801

>>7596784
In that game Spore, religion usually takes a back seat when exploring space and dealing with aliens, but sometimes civilizations are carried all the way to space by their faith and they insist on crusading everyone and everything in the name of their god/gods. They are the most common early game enemy because of how universally xenophobic and aggressive they are.

They exist but die out fast, at least in that simulation.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:45:53 2015 No.7596802

>>7596792
I was under the impression that we are seeing it as it is 'now'. The 1400 light years would just be the time passed if they left now. I.E. we send a vessel there and they would advance 1400 light years in the time it takes to get there. If they are watching us as well, wouldn't they be seeing now? How wrong do I have this in my mind?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:45:56 2015 No.7596804 >>7596795 because they can calculate their distance as well cumboy

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:46:15 2015 No.7596805 >>7596792 >KIC 8462852 >abandoned husk, a dead civilization that attempted to achieve FTL >small weak automated massage is sent across the universe >[THE PRISON CANNOT BE BROKEN]

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:47:22 2015 No.7596809 >>7596801 They also fart purple mist and dig up evolutionary traits from the dirt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:48:26 2015 No.7596810 >>7596809 Yeah, but it is a fictional exploration of the concept of religion in spacefaring species.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:48:36 2015 No.7596811 >>7596780 fuck man

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:48:58 2015 No.7596812 >>7596784 >Long live xato the great. May he conquer and rape your women. I wouldn't be surprised if the ayy lmaos are territorial and want more planets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:49:39 2015 No.7596813 >>7596805 >>KIC 8462852 >>abandoned husk, a dead civilization that attempted to achieve FTL >>small weak automated massage is sent across the universe >>AYY LMAO

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:50:23 2015 No.7596815

>>7596801
Wtf are you smoking ? In Spore whoever gets more DNA and bigger melee weapons win. The rest is about how well you maintain your civilization as it relates to your arsenal and welfare of the population. You constantly fight until you run out of enemies, then you find empty planets and terraform them.

Spore was all about big fish eating small fish.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:52:37 2015 No.7596819 >>7596805 >>7596813 >>KIC 8462852 >>abandoned husk, a dead civilization that attempted to achieve FTL >>small weak automated massage is sent across the universe >>The Reapers are coming

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:55:07 2015 No.7596825 File: 1.12 MB, 1366x768, H2A_Cutscene_TruthMercy-NewArbiter.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596784 What if one alien race uses religion to enslave other alien races?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:58:19 2015 No.7596832
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>>7596802
I don't think you understand how light works or travels my friend. I may be misunderstanding your post, but it seems like you don't understand why we would be seeing a 1400 year old image.

It's very simple. Light travels very very fast but it still has a fixed speed and cannot instantly travel wherever it wants. The amount of distance light travels in one year is a light-year. Since these ayylmaos are 1400 light-years away, that means it takes 1400 years for light from that solar system to travel all the way here to Earth. Thus, we are seeing an image that has traveled across space for ~1400 years, which would mean we are looking at image at least 1400 years old.

So we can't really tell how they would be doing now. The ayylmaos could be 1400 years more advanced now or they could have wiped themselves out and we're just looking at a ghost of the past.

It's crazy how science works lol.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:58:31 2015 No.7596834

>>7596802
Light takes time to travel so what we're seeing now is a "picture" of 1.400 years in the past, normally their "now" wouldn't make any difference for us because "nothing can go faster than light". The point of FTL is exactly a transportation device that somehow manages to either "break" that law or circumvent it. If they did managed to create such superstructures 1.400 years ago who knows what they have "now".

FTL may or may not mean they could be able to have instant travel devices and may or may now mean they could use it to not only travel but to gather information as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 16:59:55 2015 No.7596838 >>7596819 >>KIC 8462852 >>abandoned husk, a dead civilization that attempted to achieve FTL >>small weak automated massage is sent across the universe >>Pick a color.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:01:02 2015 No.7596842
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>>7596825
> ayylmaos wage war to our planet for religious reasons.
> We send all the ISIS militants to outer space
> alien civilization beheaded, burned and annihilated

if ever...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:03:46 2015 No.7596852 >>7596832 Ah. I do understand light. My mind was misinterpreting the fact that because it wasn't the light itself we were viewing the time lapse would be like that. Thank you for clarifying for me.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:04:13 2015 No.7596853

>>7596815
Your civilization's philosophy is based mostly on your environmental niche during your earlier evolution. AI civs behave completely differently depending on their philosophy, and aggressive zealots is one of the possibilities. Religion is the basis for most moral systems in the game but zealots use it as their primary motivation to explore the galaxy.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:05:05 2015 No.7596858
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>>7596842
this too tbh. I know it's incredibly naive of me to say this but I would bet on humanity to out-religion literally any form of ayylmao that could be out there. Humanity's absolute zealotry is something that I feel would be unparalleled by any distant ayylmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:06:15 2015 No.7596860 >>7595572 ya blew it rushed/10

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:10:14 2015 No.7596870

>>7596853
> AI civs behave completely differently depending on their philosophy, and aggressive zealots is one of the possibilities
The tamed passive races and weak ones die first because they can't defend themselves against anyone. So those "aggressive zealots" get to survive because they stand together against the rest and keep fighting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:11:59 2015 No.7596877 File: 52 KB, 565x600, if I see this butthurt one more time.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How big of a sexual deviant they could be?

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:12:22 2015 No.7596879

>>7596870
Zealots don't stand together, they are aggressive towards strangers and usually wage war while still very small. They are naturally distrusting of all other species, including other zealots. They can convert planets to take control of them but it's still considered an act of aggression.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:15:10 2015 No.7596888 >>7596879 I won spore by being the most aggressive and devious. I don't know how you completed the game with other means.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:15:27 2015 No.7596890 >>7596858 there are probably millions of advanced ayy civilizations out there. Humans are likely average.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:21:10 2015 No.7596899

>>7596888
You can buy property or colonize heavily. The different philosophies have different stats and interact differently, as well as having different prices and differently-organized tech trees. You can cheese the game and just kill everything but if you are playing on hard mode and aren't a military race you usually get great bonuses to almost everything other than conquering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:23:14 2015 No.7596904 >>7596784 tips fedora

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:25:12 2015 No.7596907

>>7596899
True but you can't defend yourself against the meaner enemies if you're not atleast strong as them. No matter how peaceful you are, the only thing you need for the end of your civilization is someone stronger who attacks you. That's my point.
Man I gotta play that game again, it was so fuckin fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:26:33 2015 No.7596909 >>7596650 For optical observations yes. There is a proposal to look at this thing with some radio telescopes though. You know you could bother politicians about NASA if you live in the US...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:27:01 2015 No.7596910 >>7596907 There are planetary defenses and most non-military factions have abilities, tech, and stat bonuses that make it way easier to resolve peacefully. Even then, you can just pay tribute. Wars usually fizzle out after just a few invasions anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:30:33 2015 No.7596915 >>7596910 Oh, I should directly say that you can just ask allies (or enemies of your enemies or even just hire mercenaries) to defend or fight back. This is easier to do if you are not military yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:30:40 2015 No.7596917 File: 715 KB, 900x1020, Sangheili_Zealot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7596870 >>7596879 This thread looks like it was made on /v/ now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:36:45 2015 No.7596927 >>7596917 not enough shitposting tbh

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:39:12 2015 No.7596933 >>7596927 > yfw ayyliens have their own /sci/ and they constantly talk about earth and vidyagames

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:40:13 2015 No.7596935 >>7596917 Sangheili are top tier humans just pale in comparison to them >you will always have only one heart feelsbadman

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:41:03 2015 No.7596937

>>7596858
Depends whether we go to them or they come to us.

The technology of a civilization capable of interstellar ftl travel will include materials or shielding that could probably withstand anything we could possibly throw at them. Since their ships have to be able to withstand collisions with space debri at insane speeds

Their ships will also have propulsion systems better than any human tech, you fire a missile at them and they simply maneuver out of the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 17:47:18 2015 No.7596945 >>7596937 FTL isn't necessarily a type of super propulsion tho.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 18:25:31 2015 No.7597008
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For the US New York time zone, for latitudes near NYC, Cygnus, the constellation contains KIC/WTF is currently rising over the NE horizon. At 10:30pm it will be just east of directly overhead. pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 19:03:57 2015 No.7597111 >>7596667 The Chinese space program IS run by the military you moron

>>	Jianghu Lou Shang Sat Oct 17 20:07:27 2015 No.7597218 >>7597111 Silly American the space program is for peace purposes and not developing weapons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 20:29:21 2015 No.7597247 >>7595603 This board is fantastic

>>	AYY LMAO Emmisary Sat Oct 17 20:42:57 2015 No.7597266 >>7595603 >Or, most likely, we're missing something and WTF-001 is something weird and new we've never seen before. This is my best guess as well. >Its probably AYY LMAOS That's number 2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:09:39 2015 No.7597301 >>7596636 >>7596650 No we don't, it isn't true. This can be done from the ground or with existing space based instruments. Very precise photometry is hard to do from the ground, this is not subtitle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:10:36 2015 No.7597304 File: 133 KB, 1049x1052, ApproxScaleFlux.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, just to make this clear. We're saying that about 80 Neptunes worth of "comets" are the best explanation here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:20:41 2015 No.7597317 >>7597304 I'm retarded, but I assume that many comets that size would be unreasonable right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:31:15 2015 No.7597323 >>7597317 That is my feeling about this image. Every source has said that that scenario is extremely unlikely. I guess I didn't understand the meaning of the word "extremely".

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:31:54 2015 No.7597325
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>>7597304
"Comets." The average comet is 10 miles across. Each dot here is the size of the fourth largest planet in our solar system. This would require several hundred billion comets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:35:06 2015 No.7597330 File: 71 KB, 592x492, 1445044792102.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > ayy lmaos start studying our cultures > they discover memes > ayy lmaos become dependent on memes > mfw earth starts exporting dank memes to other civilizations

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:35:27 2015 No.7597331 >>7597325 what... is that shit

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:36:51 2015 No.7597332

>>7597317
>>7597323
The only well-known (define well known) Oort cloud is our own. It has nothing anywhere near this kind of density. The entire Oort cloud mass, if shrunk to the size of Jupiter's orbit might, maybe, occlude 15% of our sun from the right angle at the right time if the clumps were arranged just right.

I've looked around at citizen science "forums" and nobody has visualized anything like this. I wanted 4chan to lead on this concept. I'm not saying it;s aliens, but my scale here >>7597304
>>7597325
is, if anything, conservative.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:39:10 2015 No.7597335 >>7597325 what IS .................................that SHIT

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:40:07 2015 No.7597336

>>7597331
A visualization of what would be true if the data are true. It would take several dozen Neptune sized objects to produce the PDCSAP Flux data measured.

If you want to draw the picture for 80 billion ten-mile-wide comets that the reasonable explanation people are calling for, be my guest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:42:14 2015 No.7597339 >>7597336 No Im asking what that shit is

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:42:46 2015 No.7597340 >>7597336 So is there any other reasonable explanations besides ayy lmaos?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:45:08 2015 No.7597344 >>7597340 I think we're fresh out of explains. The only reasonable explanation now is that there is no explanation that we know of.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:47:18 2015 No.7597345 >>7597336 There will be another thread about this soon. You should start it with your image. Probably the first one so people know it's supposed to be a respresentation of the star. On top of which it looks more iconic/memorable

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 21:54:43 2015 No.7597349

>>7597339
The graph is the whole-spectrum photometry of the star KIC 8462852. My drawing is a visualization of the star, at scale to the sun (above >>7597304), with enough "planetary" dots to roughly approximate the amount of occlusion the Kepler data show.

No one outside of pro circles has produced a visualization of just how out of bounds this find is. I wanted to show it. 80 Neptunes is a fucking fuck load of material. The infrared zero on this star demands an Amazing Tales tier explanation. There is no planet there. There is no dust cloud there. There is no dark star there.

I'm trying to keep this /sci/. If anyone wants to correct me (by pointing out that my dots are closer to Saturn than Neptune; that there are not quite enough of them; that there is not enough structured distribution to match the data), then that's all good. The data I did not post yet are even more defiant.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:08:29 2015 No.7597364

>>7597349
You still don't know what I'm asking.

I'm asking what is that SHIT floating around that FUCKING STAR. What IS it? Are they literal free-floating Neptune-size dingleberries or something else? I demand that you give me a more logical explanantion than that.

Please respond.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:15:18 2015 No.7597368 Honestly it's obnoxious that light travels so slow. If it was instant then the world would be better.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:16:45 2015 No.7597369

>>7597364
The short answer is: WE DON'T KNOW.

All we know is what it is not.

>Not a planet
>Not a proto-planetary nebula
>Not a dust cloud
>Not a stellar companion
>Not a collision remnant

The sensationalist spin is an alien civilization Dyson Swarm.

I'm agnostic. But I'm also old enough to remember WOW and LGM.

This is up there. It's up there with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R136a1
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta_Carinae

It's something that will produce new science. Ay lmao be damned or discovered. It's a reason to be alive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:17:27 2015 No.7597371 >>7597364 Some natural phenomenon we don't know yet. Or a fleet of Death Stars.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:18:59 2015 No.7597372 >>7597364 An example of how many Neptune sized comets would need to be present to produce such a dip in beightness

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:32:03 2015 No.7597385 >>7597371 >fleet of Death Stars oh dog

>>	AYY LMAO Emmisary Sat Oct 17 22:41:46 2015 No.7597392 Its ayy lmao showing us their technological prowess. They've probably visited Earth in the past.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:44:39 2015 No.7597397 >>7597392 >ME ME ME ME : the post Let me guess, you believe the universe was made by an anthropomorphic entity just for us, too. They could just build the megastructure for their own purpose, you know. Not everything revolve around you.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:51:58 2015 No.7597407 [DELETED]

>>7597397
>>7597392
You're both wrong. They probably visited, studied us for some time, decided they've probably learned all the there is to learn about a simple life form like us and gone back home.

You don't see having millennia-spanning, cross-cultural exchanges with ants. They just don't give a fuck about us. We're not that interesting to them.

Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:54:46 2015 No.7597410

>>7597397
>>7597392
You're both wrong. They probably visited, studied us for some time, decided they've probably learned all the there is to learn about a simple life form like us and went back home.

You don't see us having millennia-spanning, cross-cultural exchanges with ants. They just don't give a fuck about us. We're not that interesting to them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 22:56:39 2015 No.7597414 >>7597410 I get the analogy, but I feel like it would be different with us, considering we are intelligent life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:14:33 2015 No.7597441 >>7597331 >>7597339 >>7597364 example of asking the right question would get you closer to the right answer >what- - - is that shit with such a vague question like that, one shouldn't be surprised about not getting the wanted answer right away

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:26:21 2015 No.7597458 >>7596937 what if their gravity is weak and so they can't fly on our planet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:29:58 2015 No.7597464 >>7597364 >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:30:07 2015 No.7597465 A

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 17 23:31:08 2015 No.7597468 Y

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:42:01 2015 No.7597661

>>7596802

Think about it this way:

We are seeing these events unfold 1400 years ago. As we observe it, they are [subjectively] advanced in comparison to us.
Here's the catch:
at the point in time that we are observing them, they can also observe us, but their observations are also 1400 years old compared to right now. So if they are looking at us right now, they are basically seeing shit that happened in the 0400's. We look pretty primitive to them right now, and they look pretty advanced to us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:48:26 2015 No.7597668 >>7597661 I feel like if they could create dyson swarms they probably understand how light and light speed works.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:51:08 2015 No.7597669

people come to conclusions before knowing the real data. you fucking amateurs are guilty of this and prattle in about aliens as if their existence meant anything to our affairs. it doesn't. not until they (if they even are) show themselves. fluctuations in the power spectral density of a star's apparent output so many light years away tells us nothing so specific.

so all i'm really trying to say is: pull your heads out. of your ass. because your heads are in your asses. your asses contain your heads. if you are interested in the phenomenon you should be more concerned with the dat itself and the prospect of gathering more. not what your imagination might tell you what little data you have means.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 01:54:59 2015 No.7597673 >>7597669 Do you have any other explanations that stick? So far nothing works and immediately dismissing the possibilities of aliens is how you miss your chance to meet aliens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:10:24 2015 No.7597695 >>7596767 Could a rocky planet that massive exist? I know such a thing has never been observed, but is it impossible?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:15:17 2015 No.7597701 >>7597695 http://www.universetoday.com/13757/how-big-do-planets-get/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:24:12 2015 No.7597723 >>7597369 This.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:34:05 2015 No.7597744

>>7597458
If they're really interested in invading for whatever reason, resources etc, their tech will take earth's gravity into account.

If the ayy lmaos' biology is such that their bodies can't withstand higher gravity, they'll just design drones/robots to do the job for them

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 02:53:24 2015 No.7597772 Wouldn't the albedo of whatever that is lead to temporary increases in the light curve?

>>	AYY LMAO Emmisary Sun Oct 18 03:01:05 2015 No.7597779 >>7597397 Pesky human go back to fling your shit to your brethren. I am the master race.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 03:08:05 2015 No.7597790
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>A second type of Dyson uses lightweight sails to float on the light pressure from the star; these floating satellites are called statites and can support the weight of photovoltaic cells- these dyson statites are basically an energy collection device, but as they are close to the star they can be quite efficient. The collected energy can be beamed to remote locations for use in life support, industry, computational processing, or transport; these beams can also be used for defense or communication. Energy can also be stored using antimatter or other storage media.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 03:09:36 2015 No.7597794
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>This power collection swarm consists of thousands of elements in inclined orbits, each with a slightly different ascending node and pericenter. This arrangement ensures the elements never come close to each other. The various orbits form a toroid shape, surrounding the star.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 03:28:51 2015 No.7597806

This universe rocks anon. Its full of rocks. The galaxies we can see are not surrounded by them, the galaxies we cant see are surrounded by them. The visible galaxies are headed towards the non-visible galaxies at an ever increasing rate due to gravity. DE and DM? Hah !

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 04:15:59 2015 No.7597822 Now that Kepler can't turn around any more are there other ways to get another good look at the stars light curve again?

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 04:23:09 2015 No.7597826

>>7597822
>Now that Kepler can't turn around any more are there other ways to get another good look at the stars light curve again?

Ground based observatories will be able to do the job. If scientists decide it's a high priority target of observation, they might even point Hubble its way. The next occultation should take place in May 2017.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 04:24:00 2015 No.7597829 >>7596748 Alien vs Reptilian That would be cool

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 04:31:08 2015 No.7597833

Just going to use some imagination here and pretend that we've spotted intelligent life out there.
Why is everyone so sure they're aware of us?
No doubt they have our solar system mapped out and Earth/Mars flagged as goldilocks.
They probably have hundreds of thousands of similar planets mapped.
There is nothing to make us stand out. No radio signals emitted from earth have reached that far at this time.

This talk of faster than light travel..you guys are dreaming

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 04:58:13 2015 No.7597849 I hope it's a new type of object. It doesn't have to be aliens, but even just some previously unknown type of star or something, that would be way past cool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 04:59:45 2015 No.7597850 >>7597849 it's blocking 22% of the star's light, it's gotta be fucken sweet, aliens or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:27:38 2015 No.7597869 >>7597850 Maybe it's your mum

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:29:18 2015 No.7597871

Theories are cool and all but is there any way for us to go investigate this thing ? Apparently if the mission is accepted we will turn our giant satellite dishes to KIC and try to detect their radio wave signals but thats pathetic. There's gotta be more we can do to investigate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:30:38 2015 No.7597874 >>7597871 If we transmit radio signals would it take 1400 of our years to reach there?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:32:34 2015 No.7597876 >>7597874 They are electromagnetic waves so yeah they travel at the speed of lite.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:33:40 2015 No.7597878 >>7597876 But when they received them 1400 of our years later, when would it be for them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:37:30 2015 No.7597884 >>7597878 1400 years from now on obviously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:48:51 2015 No.7597901 >>7597871 >is there any way for us to go investigate this thing ? Unless we invent faster than light travel, no chance. Our only option is to watch, in as many spectra as we can, for as long as we can.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:50:14 2015 No.7597904 So. Today they are seeing earth during 615 AD.. Further expansion of the slavic people. A pope died. Genocide of Christiansin UK. Mohammed does things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 05:50:43 2015 No.7597905 >>7596397 yep, that's a star

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:02:21 2015 No.7597921 File: 151 KB, 1280x720, notch-glamor-lrg[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7597871 Ask some millionaire to invest it, maybe Notch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:05:39 2015 No.7597925 >>7597921 Money can't buy physics laws

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:19:36 2015 No.7597940 >>7597921 >billionaire*

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:30:15 2015 No.7597954 >>7594902 Daily reminder that Dyson Sphere candidates are nothing new, we discovered dozens before. The problem is confirmation. http://home.fnal.gov/~carrigan/infrared_astronomy/Fermilab_search.htm

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:43:05 2015 No.7597965 >>7596667 >mfw the martian has like 4 martian space missions before the chinese are ALLOWED to participate after begging In reality, we'll have our first american martian 10 years after china shows them up

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:44:07 2015 No.7597967 >>7596781 anon, you do know that these telescopes see in 3D and can tell if something is actually far away or not, right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:52:02 2015 No.7597973 >>7597790 >Energy can also be stored using antimatter or other storage media. oh yeah let me store all this anime porn in antimatter

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:53:04 2015 No.7597975 >>7597954 this is the only one that can't be explained by something else other people have said it before: even if it's not aliens, this is an amazing discovery, nothing we've ever seen before

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:53:49 2015 No.7597976

>>7597967
It seems like you heard some anon here said that we can calculate the distance of lights coming from outer space and you decided to perpetuate that without knowing anything about it to come off like a smart ass. What your retarded brain couldn't comprehend that you can't calculate the distance of a shadow or anything that occludes the light since we can't reviece any EM data from the things that don't emit photons or radiation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 06:55:33 2015 No.7597979 >>7597976 it orbits the star periodically you retard, what are the odds that would happen if it wasn't an orbiter?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:00:58 2015 No.7597984 >>7595789 Wait what? I cannot into relativity

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:03:04 2015 No.7597989

>>7597979
> it passed only twice
> oh it must be something that orbiting the star...like a dyson sphere !
The light only dimmed twice you flaming faggot. It's only assumed that the object passing by might be approximately near its orbit. The irregular small light dimmings are also hypothetitcally dust clouds, there is nothing observed or proven about it. Learn to do some research rather than perpetuating what other morons said like you know what you're talking about you fucking retard.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:10:48 2015 No.7597995
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>>7597989
>The irregular small light dimmings are also hypothetitcally dust clouds, there is nothing observed or proven about it.

Cosmic dust shows up vividly in far infrared. The Keck Telescope observations posted earlier in this thread show that dust cannot explain the observations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:20:09 2015 No.7598005 >>7597989 >> it passed only twice twice in 4 years, that means that it's close, dummkopfs

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:24:33 2015 No.7598011

>>7598005
> the longetivity of the interval somehow proves that it's close.
Anything with similar size passing over it from any distance will dim the light like that you cumface. You need much more periodical dimmings with the same intensity to call it a pattern. You stupid manchildren trying to bend facts to fit your fantasies all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:25:57 2015 No.7598014 >>7598011 how will it pass over TWICE just consider the distances involved, the only way it would happen is if it was orbiting it orbits are not of infinite size

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:26:16 2015 No.7598015 >>7598011 >You stupid manchildren trying to bend facts to fit your fantasies all the time. Waiting for a response to >>7597995

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:32:04 2015 No.7598025

>>7598014
There is 450,000,000 kilometers between KIC and Earth. Any object with similar size that gets between earth and the light will dim the lights like so. Doesn't matter if it's orbiting KIC, or if it's right in the middle, or if its just a big ass rock that happens to pass between our way...

>>7598015
> observations posted earlier in this thread show that dust cannot explain the observations.
how does the dust occluding the light doesn't explain occluding the light exactly ?

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:33:34 2015 No.7598029

>>7598025
>There is 450,000,000 kilometers between KIC and Earth. Any object with similar size that gets between earth and the light will dim the lights like so.
How fucking unlikely do you think it has to be for two different objects to cross the exact vector between us and WTF-001 and BOTH cover it with 20% brightness?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:35:30 2015 No.7598030 >>7598025 >how does the dust occluding the light doesn't explain occluding the light exactly ? If it were dust, it would light up like Christmas in the infrared bands, even when it wasn't occluding the light of the star.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:36:53 2015 No.7598033 NO IT CAN'T BE ALIENS, SCIENTISTS ARE RETARDED are just as dumb as WOW IT'S ALIENS I WANT TO BELIEVE be a scientist, you retard, and wait for the evidence before making dumb contrarian claims

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:37:55 2015 No.7598034

>>7598029
> How fucking unlikely do you think it has to be for two different objects to cross the exact vector between us and WTF-001 and BOTH cover it with 20% brightness?
Well, considering there are BILLIONS of stars around us and only one happens to dim this way by chance only TWICE is pretty probable. Also if you look at the spectrum the dimming is around %20 but not exactly

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:40:00 2015 No.7598039 >>7598034 A 20% dimming never happened before, let alone twice. You're underestimating how big the universe is, shit doesn't cross the path between us and other stars often, and if it does we're accounting for it

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:40:48 2015 No.7598040 >>7597661 It's funny because if the can create dyson swarms 1400 years ago, and we didn't even had electricity at the time, imagine how they are now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:41:21 2015 No.7598043 >>7598034 Did you even read http://arxiv.org/pdf/1509.03622v1.pdf ? >pretty probable

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:42:11 2015 No.7598045 >>7597779 Can I fuck you ayy lmao?

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:44:16 2015 No.7598048

>>7598030
You know that asteroids are not translucent right ? They block the light just like any other opaque object. It doesn't have to be the dust itself, the small asteroids will block the light just fine.

>>7598039
4 years is a pretty fucking long time. only 2 objects with similar sizes passing by in 4 years is not surprising at all. As I said it boils down to the same thing. this happening twice is not nearly enough to call it a pattern. If it happens again with the same interval with %20 dimming, then it would be much less likely that it's pure chance, if it happens the 4th time, then It would be a clear pattern and I would start believing it too. But we're just not there yet.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:46:43 2015 No.7598051

>>7598048
>4 years is a pretty fucking long time.
did you come here from preschool to school us on astronomy? what the fuck makes you think that?

> only 2 objects with similar sizes passing by in 4 years is not surprising at all
Okay, then show me it happening before to any other star, by non-orbiting objects.

By the way, does anyone know when it's going to cross it again?

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:48:01 2015 No.7598053

>>7598048
>You know that asteroids are not translucent right ? They block the light just like any other opaque object. It doesn't have to be the dust itself, the small asteroids will block the light just fine.

Dude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation

Dust and rocks absorb light from their host stars and radiate it as heat. This is why they glow in the infrared bands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:49:17 2015 No.7598055 >>7598051 May 2017, it's in the pdf article btw

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:50:17 2015 No.7598057 >>7598055 I'm less butthurt about NASA not being in mars right now than I am about people still using .pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:50:45 2015 No.7598059 >>7597826 >Hubble Wait, wasn't that scheduled to be retired?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:52:16 2015 No.7598061 >>7598057 Sorry about your butthurt bro

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:53:35 2015 No.7598064 >>7598059 If only the James Webb telescope hadn't been delayed 500 times, sure

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:55:07 2015 No.7598067 >>7597921 >Implying he wouldn't take endless vocations.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:57:20 2015 No.7598069
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>>7598051
> ad hominems
Resorting to ad-hominems tells me that you're running out of bullshit to support your manchild dreams, thats good.

> show me something like that to any other star
Here you go. This is 41 Cygni. And here is the light intensity spectrogram of it over the years. Oh look there are two similar spikes ! IT MUST BE A DYSON SPHERE :O

You fucking retard.

>>7598053
Sure if the bodies are close enough to the star. But asteroids right between us and KIC that stands far from it don't absorb anything, they simply deflect it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:58:16 2015 No.7598070 >>7598069 That's not a spectogram over the years, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 07:59:19 2015 No.7598074 File: 41 KB, 760x571, 1445153378739.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7598069 >retard posts a flux/wavelength analysis thinking it's a flux/time analysis

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:06:42 2015 No.7598079 File: 850 KB, 1214x1239, butthurt_meter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7598069 Ay fucking lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:16:19 2015 No.7598085 >>7598070 >>7598074 > Can't comprehend that I was making fun of your own spectogram. Thats just sad...Cool reaction images tho

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:17:24 2015 No.7598088 >>7598051 Do you think just because it happened to KIC twice it proves dyson spheres or something ? Are you fucking retarded ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:28:00 2015 No.7598098 >>7598085 you'll never be this butthurt

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:28:15 2015 No.7598099 >>7598085 Not them but can you please stop? You are embarassing yourself. You are an ignorant person trying to sound cynic and knowledgeable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:29:02 2015 No.7598101 >>7598088 I'm not in the dyson sphere camp, I'm in the "something we've never ever seen before" camp

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:40:29 2015 No.7598120
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>>7598099
I'm not sure if you're the same retard but someone posted this graph as a proof of the light dimming, which I reacted the same way.

>>7598101
We have seen lights dimming due to shadow occlusion before. We just didn't see this interval, which is easily explainable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:42:33 2015 No.7598123 >>7598120 wow, you're smarter than NASA and you were just pretending to be retarded, too! you're such an interesting person, how old are you and what's your place of employment?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:45:15 2015 No.7598124 >>7597325 >>7597304 >>7596397 >>7596411 >>7596412 >>7596418 >>7596421 Question since you guys seem to know a lot about this. Is the observed object(objects) within the habitable zone of this star?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:50:07 2015 No.7598127 >>7598123 > i can't form arguments so let me resort to ad-hominems and personal attacks This is what happens when alium nutjobs from /x/ come to this board. Go back to your manchildren playground. >>>/x/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:50:29 2015 No.7598128 >>7598127 you're an entertaining guy

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:51:32 2015 No.7598131 >>7598124 I don't think they know how big/far away it is, just the area it covers. At least it's waaay bigger than Jupiter

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:52:22 2015 No.7598132 File: 20 KB, 200x200, 1306739359245.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7598127

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:53:16 2015 No.7598136 The star seems to have no planets. Would it make sense to sacrifice your own native planet and use its matter too as building blocks for the swarm?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:53:46 2015 No.7598137 >>7598124 no way to tell - they determine distance based on period and this has no observed period over 4 years of watching it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:56:13 2015 No.7598139 >>7598127 >this fucking guy No one you're arguing with is saying it's aliums, you can read the fucking papers the scientist made and it says right there what those dims are not and what they could be. Dyson spheres aren't even mentioned once

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:56:51 2015 No.7598142 >>7595590 could it be gravitational lensing from some shit passing between this star and us? wouldn't need too much mass to deflect enough light for a 25% dimming.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:58:08 2015 No.7598143

>>7598136
If you become postbiological? Yes.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0506110.pdf
Galactic Gradients, Postbiological Evolution and the
Apparent Failure of SETI
Milan M. ´Cirkovi´c
Astronomical Observatory Belgrade,
Volgina 7, 11160 Belgrade-74, Serbia and Montenegro

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 08:59:11 2015 No.7598144 >>7598136 that's one of the reasons they're seriously considering dyson swarms, planets are pretty coomon

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:00:25 2015 No.7598145 >>7594902 I want to know one thing When can I have a picture of ayy lmaos?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:07:47 2015 No.7598150 >>7598145 Almost exactly 3 years from now we'll launch a telescope with enough resolution to maybe make out the object.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:09:16 2015 No.7598151

>>7598128
>>7598132
this isn't /b/

>>7598139
> implying i'm arguing with the papers or the people who wrote them
I'm arguing with the people who's interpreting these vague values to aliens you relentless retard. Ofcourse whoever wrote those papers didn't mention dyson spheres or aliens because they are scientists. unlike these manchildren in these threads who live in their fantasies and think this is /x/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:11:06 2015 No.7598154 >>7598151 >I'm arguing with the people who's interpreting these vague values to aliens you relentless retard. I don't know which outcome is sadder: that you're trolling this badly, or that you're this retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:11:38 2015 No.7598156 >>7598151 you were arguing with me and I've never said it was aliens

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:11:49 2015 No.7598157
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>>7598145
We would need a hypertelescope flotilla.

Using interferometry to pool data from thousands of small mirrors in space spread out over 100 million miles to image exoplanets 100 light years away down to 2 meter resolution.

At 100 light-years, something the size of a Honda Accord subtends an angle of a half-trillionth of a second of arc. In case that number doesn’t speak to you, it’s roughly the apparent size of a cell nucleus on Pluto, as viewed from Earth.

I think you would have a cube or sphere 1 AU across and that volume would be filled with say 1 million space telescopes. This way every 0.01 AU there is a space telescope and then they get tasked to work with different scopes at different times in order to look at other locations. Each scope would need its own shading devices. so all of the actions are close together And only pivoting is required. 1 billion scopes would mean one every 0.001 AU. etc..
http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/08/hypertelescope-spread-over-1-au-would.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:14:29 2015 No.7598159 >>7598157 you're talking in planet terms the "structure" is 20% smaller than the star, isn't it? and we can see the star perfectly, doesn't that mean we just need 5-10x more resolution?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:17:47 2015 No.7598162 >>7598159 I meant, 20% as big as the star

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:18:16 2015 No.7598163 File: 811 KB, 1898x4000, ayy lmao 27.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7597330 >SHITPOSTING INTERGALACTIC WAR NOW

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:21:54 2015 No.7598167 File: 39 KB, 321x322, I want to fuck that unicorn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7597371 What if they are planet sized creatures that feed off star radiation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:25:26 2015 No.7598170 >>7598064 >meanwhile, obama increases his military budget so he can bomb hospitals

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:26:00 2015 No.7598172 >>7598154 back to your containment board >>>/x/ >>7598156 I was arguing with 3 people whom were desperately trying to twist the facts into suggesting that its a dyson sphere.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:34:07 2015 No.7598178 [math] Testing = frac{a}{b} \cdot frac{c}{d}[\math]

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:37:21 2015 No.7598184 >>7598170 Gotta bring dat cheap healthcare yo

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:41:42 2015 No.7598189 >>7598167 I think I prefer ayy lmaos to planet sized eldritch abominations roaming space

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:51:47 2015 No.7598208 File: 6 KB, 224x225, 1410909687002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7598189 What if they are just the equivalent of algae on the intergalactic level-food chain?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:52:03 2015 No.7598209 >>7596819 >automated massage >sent across the galaxy How do we get this technology?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:52:40 2015 No.7598211 >>7598208 Then its okay I guess

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:54:46 2015 No.7598215 File: 112 KB, 679x720, can't ayy lmao.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7598211 What if there are bigger things like an equivalent of a whale shark that eat those? Can I make a book out of this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:55:44 2015 No.7598216 File: 153 KB, 793x645, 1393987784590.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7598209 >you will never get a ftl massage jdimsa

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 09:55:58 2015 No.7598217 >>7598215 Then its not okay And do It, make it about a futuristic space station who gets eaten by one of these and they have to escape somehow

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:05:51 2015 No.7598225 >>7598215 tyranids exist in wh40k and from what I recall they can be pretty fucking huge

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:12:57 2015 No.7598235

>>7598225
If those thing work and function as algae, or plankton and there's an equivalent of a whale shark it would probably be several hundred times bigger than a that star. I can assure you there's nothing as big as that on 40K, not even that fanfiction measuring 1.5 AU. Still I wonder if such thing existed we would be able to detect it, or at what speed it would move, obviously ignoring all the impossibilities of something being so big.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:13:59 2015 No.7598237 >>7598235 >not even that fanfiction *ship measuring 1.5 AU

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:26:19 2015 No.7598253 >>7598235 There is a Dyson Sphere in WH40k. AFAIK it is a prison to a Necron C'Tan God.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:31:37 2015 No.7598258 File: 76 KB, 492x600, 1328855811866.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7598127

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:37:11 2015 No.7598267 >>7598163 >>7598215 >>7598225 >>7598235 >>>/x/ >>>/b/ >>>/mlp/

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:40:22 2015 No.7598271
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>>7597661

> but their observations are also 1400 years old compared to right now. So if they are looking at us right now, they are basically seeing shit that happened in the 0400's.

we living in victorian 1800's now.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:52:30 2015 No.7598287

>>7596784
What if they ayys religon is actually true and they have gods that can appear out of thin air any where in the universe when ever they want and then they come and say "fuck you guys, yall aint even worthy praying to us" then they flood the entire planet and give the survivors a bunch of missinfo about religion so they can come back 14000 years later and flood the planet again because we wherent smart enough to figure out the true religon for our selves then they just keep doing this untill we get our shit straigth

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 10:59:03 2015 No.7598298 >>7598287 pretty much the plot of 'prometheus' tbh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 11:01:58 2015 No.7598304 >>7598287 Smh tbh fam

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 11:18:48 2015 No.7598318
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>>7594902
if on the next observation day, would it be bigger news if we observed the object surrounding the star in the same pattern again, or if this time, it was TOTALLY GONE and there was nothing observed blocking out the 22% of the star this time.

>in other words would a total disappearance of the anomaly be bigger news than seeing it again?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 11:33:08 2015 No.7598336 >>7598318 A total disappearance would mean it was just an incredibly unlikely event of two different big objects crossing in front of the sun, but not really news

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:00:54 2015 No.7598382

>>7598124
Just replying to say that >>7598131 and >>7598137 are both correct. All we can say for (mostly) certain is that whatever it is is cooler than the near infrared spectrum, and within KIC's gravitational influence. So it's not an asteroid or a meteor from our solar system as some have suggested. Whatever it is it's huge, irregularly shaped, cold, and within KIC's gravity well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:02:29 2015 No.7598387 >>7598142 They looked. There was nothing close to us at the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:06:38 2015 No.7598395 >>7598318 Buzzkill news: it's gone Wow Signal news: it's still there Ay Lmao: It's there are it's flux curve isthe same periodicity, but slightly deeper and longer than before.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:28:36 2015 No.7598434 >>7598033 Nobody's making a claim, only pointing out a possibility.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:31:39 2015 No.7598439 >>7598088 Nobody says it proves jack shit, were saying what it could possibly be.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:43:55 2015 No.7598463

>>7596142
"Rogue" stars or constellations would be the best place to build an empire.
The farther you get from downtown the lower the property taxes are.
After your civilization is like 40 or 50 million years old you want somewhere you can relax without quite so many kids on your lawn.

Seriously, As long as you you can get matter out there on a regular schedule (no doubt a ferry system that keeps needed matter flowing out to you) being 1,000 light years from the nearest star would be best for security.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:46:24 2015 No.7598469 Where would you get all the material to build a dyson sphere and how long would it take? Wouldn't the components burn being so close to a star?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 12:54:20 2015 No.7598485 >>7597833 This, what signals or flags did we present in 600ad. Nothing, a blank planet with a population so low that it appears lifeless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:00:22 2015 No.7598499 >>7598485 >>7597668

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:15:15 2015 No.7598527

>>7598469
We don't really know how wide KIC's object/shroud orbit is. One freakish property is that it fails to emit in the garden variety infrared seen around every other dusty or rocky or gaseous object. We only know it's there because the photoelectron count dropped on Kepler's sensors. (which have been triple checked - it's not instrumentation error)

As far as a Dyson structure, our own system already has three which would require only re-arrangement and/or real estate improvement - the asteroid belt, the Kuiper cloud and the Oort cloud. It would be much easier (and already feasible, except for money) to just propel the asteroids into a spherical arrangement then use some of their more useful mass (metals, rare elements) to fabricate solar arrays. As opposed to mining and lifting which looks dumb by comparison in either energy or money. So for a star that has an asteroid belt or a debris ring, the material is already there.

How long? If we imagine something like the Rosettta mission, but with a huge extra rocket engine, sent to a small asteroid for the purpose of steering it into an orbit, sticking a solar panel on it, and declaring success if 1% of the captured sunlight made it back to Earth via microwave transfer, then that mission would cost somewhere around $3 billion (Rosetta will cost $1.8 billion all in. I'm figuring we could lift an extra engine, solar array, and microwave transmitter for the extra $1.2 billion - the cost of a shuttle-like launch - $450 million - plus hardware development).

A slingshot trajectory would take about six years to get to the asteroid belt, and the deployment would take a few days to a few weeks. Robotic. No crew.

So us, it would take about ten years and $3 billion to move one small asteroid and turn it into a solar battery. Multiply by effort, money, or decades to get, what, maybe 1000 such asteroids? A century at least.

Humans have spent centuries building cathedrals in Europe for much greater adjusted cost.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:16:35 2015 No.7598529

>>7596763
There's a really enormous difference between a planetary solar array and an array which occludes more than 20% of the star. We'd need to strip down a whole planet for raw materials to do that.

>>7598124
Assuming a circular orbit, I think the objects are supposed to be roughly 3 AU from the star. So not quite in the habitable zone, but not very far outside of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:20:04 2015 No.7598531 >>7598157 For imaging just the KIC star, a gravity lens telescope would probably be cheaper.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:29:29 2015 No.7598553 >>7597368 It's not slow, though. It's literally the fastest thing there is (that we know of) other than sanic.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:31:14 2015 No.7598559

>>7598529
Actually, to get to KIC's scale, we'd probably have to blow up and reconfigure all four gas giants plus the asteroid belt. I think Dyson himself calculated that all of Jupiter would make a sphere only 3 meters thick and it would be gelatinous, so it would shear apart. The array solution is so much easier, it's hard to see why an intelligent race would pass it over.

I was also imagining a shell array of asteroids around the entire sun close to their current orbit distance, not bringing them all the way back to Earth. Presumably the KICians have way better energy transfer technology than ours.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:33:15 2015 No.7598565 Would it make more sense to build a dyson swarm around the next nearest star other than your own? Wouldn't covering your home planets sub fuck everything up?

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:40:24 2015 No.7598585

>>7597661
They can't see shit, then, barring instant travel and instant communications. Even with radio waves, by the time it got there it'd be virtually indistinguishable from background noise based on the distances, amplitude of the waves, and the inverse square law. We'd have to have extremely high powered transmissions that are highly directional and get lucky and hit them at a time they're listening at that particular point for them to notice our RF.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:42:29 2015 No.7598588

>>7598559
For the reason you listed, Dyson supposed a swarm of orbiting objects rather than a solid sphere. What I'm saying is that the sheer differences in scale from what the DOE wrote about, and converting >50% of the solar systems non-stellar mass into artificial objects implies the ayy lmaos are much more than "slightly ahead".

>>7598565
There's a good chance you'd use you home planet for raw materials. It'd be inconveniently placed for a post biological species, and otherwise only important for sentimental reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 13:57:55 2015 No.7598623 >>7598565 We can assume that intelligent species arise on rocky planets. Rocky planets make incredibly good material to build a dyson megastructure.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:08:50 2015 No.7598648

>>7598588
There also have to be more of them. Trillions.

But in terms of technology alone, humans are there. We could move the asteroid belt into a spherical array. We just won't pay for it. We have the know-how to mine Mars and the technology to lift all that material. We just won't pay for it. We have the technological ability to put a 300 square mile solar array on the moon and beam the electricity back via microwave. We just won't pay for it.

Heavy lifting and robotic deployment, we got that. That's all a Dyson structure takes. They've scaled it up, yeah. But it's still just lifting and maneuvering.

Where they would be far, far ahead is in governance and economy.

You don't think that if money were no object, like if the US just printed up a dozen trillion dollar coins and gave one to NASA we would not have colonies of hundreds of people on the moon and Mars in under 30 years?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:11:57 2015 No.7598657 I thought a civilization had to be at least 1,000,000 years old to be technologically advanced enough to attempt this

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:26:24 2015 No.7598702 >>7598657 I guess it would all depend on how fast they're technology progresses over time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:29:42 2015 No.7598711 >>7598648 This. Maybe they're on on the same level of advancement as us or slightly higher, but fanatically devoted to the idea of building something huge to show the universe how awesome they are, economics be damned.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:32:27 2015 No.7598714 >>7598711 Actually they may have been on the same level 1500 years ago :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:36:02 2015 No.7598719 >>7598648 >implying it would be a they >implying it wouldn't just be a single being with a collective consciousness

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:41:21 2015 No.7598731 >>7598711 so.. WH40k

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:42:25 2015 No.7598734

>>7598711
If it really were a Dyson like structure, economics might be the reason to build it. Dyson was making a point about exploding population and energy demand. They might be compelled to build it because their energy needs have reached that scale.

>>7598719
As long as were making up Star Trek scripts, why assume that the builders are not slaves to some master race that conquered them and pressed them into building the solution to their energy problem?

Or even a honey bee arrangement with worker drones and a Queen.

Prolly the Borg, akshully.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:48:26 2015 No.7598746

These aliens might be millions of years ahead of us, if not billions. They probably use dyson sphere as its a cheaper way to get energy. They've also figured out how to create artificial magnetosphere to terraform dead planets. Also they might be hostile. There is logic behind this because anytime the less advanced group meets a highly technological group the weaker ones get wiped out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:57:21 2015 No.7598765 >>7598746 What reason would they have to be hostile? We'd definitely not be a threat whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 14:59:04 2015 No.7598769 >>7598746 redundant posts are a sign of stupidity. you're a retard. thanks for telling us something that we all know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:00:17 2015 No.7598771 >>7598746 > because anytime the less advanced group meets a highly technological group the weaker ones get wiped out. > I know this from all the videogames I played

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:04:15 2015 No.7598778

>>7598771
>I know this from all the video games I played
So reading history books is call video games these days? Jeez neo /sci/ is filled with retards.
>>7598769
>redundant posts are a sign of stupidity
Just like your post.
>>7598765
You ever lived in environment full of psychopath? Your workplace doesn't count. Most people on /sci/ are limp wrist faggots whose life is just behind a desk/books.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:05:31 2015 No.7598784

>>7598746
an alien race on par with us would be far more scary. We'd be playing on the same ground, competing for the same resources.

On the contrary, an alien race that is much more advanced than us would never consider us a threat, realizing how they could istantly annihilate us. They won't care about our existence, and even if they would, helping us would probably be higher on the list than killing us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:05:34 2015 No.7598785 >>7598778 >Just like your post. way to be redundant, retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:08:50 2015 No.7598793 >>7598785 >way to be redundant, retard. Said the redundant, assblaster.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:24:04 2015 No.7598817

>>7598778
> history books
Previous human civilizations didn't even have the technological gap that a FTL civilization and earth would have.

> because anytime the less advanced group meets a highly technological group the weaker ones get wiped out.
And how do you prove that ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:33:11 2015 No.7598840 >>7598793 >Said the redundant, assblaster. >willingly being retarded. why are you even here?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 18 15:55:57 2015 No.7598898 new thread >>>7598894

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 16:03:09 2015 No.7598923
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>>7598734
Any civilization capable of building a dyson sphere would be a post-biological lifeform: it would be like skynet's great, great grandchild.

There's no need to fight silly internal wars, no need to waste years on education, no need for sleep or social interaction. A single consciousness would be nothing but pure productivity all the time.

As individual humans we can't even collect the willpower to send one or two of us to the moon again. How the hell do you propose a society of squabbling meatsacks would be able to agree on allocating the time and resources to encapsulate an entire star? Even if they could agree to do that sort of thing, the sheer scale of the dyson sphere would necessitate the presence extremely advanced forms of automation just to build the damn thing.

Anonymous Sun Oct 18 18:08:36 2015 No.7599249

>>7598150
>Almost exactly 3 years from now we'll launch a telescope with enough resolution to maybe make out the object.

The resolution of James Webb is going to be equivalent to Hubble's visible light resolution - but in the infrared. James Webb is not an optical telescope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 00:23:17 2015 No.7599947 >>7599249 It will be looking where the Hubble can't. Visible light is red shifted due to the expansion of space. The James Webb will be looking at this, basically looking further back in time and hopefully seeing the formation of the first stars

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 06:15:20 2015 No.7600327 >>7596397 show me the aliens on the picture

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 19 06:17:11 2015 No.7600329 >>7596832 all these things just tell me its a waste of time to even bother with this. we cannot even colonize new planets yet, for fucks sake.

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