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So, let's watch why Saturn would be better than Mars for colonization.
We all know the general aspects of atmosphere and environment of Mars, so i'm gonna skip most of them and just summarize them at the end.
What do you think /sci?

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>> No.7583761

>>7583740
are you the guy who did this for Venus colonisation?

>> No.7583768

>>7583740
How do we land on a gas planet?

>> No.7583770

Well, although meets is closer in size and distance, the view near Saturn would be awesome

>> No.7583778

>>7583740
Saturn has more gravity on it than Mars does, so people would have a better quality of living

>> No.7583780

>>7583768
this

fuck off OP

>> No.7583782

>>7583768
you don't
people would live in giant airship-cities

>> No.7583791

>>7583768
You could live on one of its moons

>> No.7583794

>>7583740
Titan is the best atmosphere (pressure-wise) in the solar system that isn't our own?

>> No.7583842

>who will pay for fuel

>> No.7583844

>>7583761

Nope, can you copy pasta that if you have it?

>>7583794

enjoy your osteoporosis then

>>7583768

you would need to do better, my aussie bro

>> No.7583861

>>7583740
The energy problem is actually huge, for the basic reason that you can't extract any energy from wind if you're moving along with the wind current at the same velocity. So wind energy is just not a source here. (And if you're not moving with the wind, you'd have to expend energy to move against it - more energy than you'd get from the wind.)

Also there's your habitat being ripped to shreds by turbulent storms, that's a problem too.

>> No.7583868

Isn't the sun basically just too weak that far out?

I'm nut sure humans are ready to create an entirely nuclear-driven world.

>> No.7583875

>>7583861

thank you sir, this is a point i did not consider

>> No.7583892

>>7583861
You wouldn't be able to extract energy from the wind at the wind velocity, but you would be able to from the turbulence.. Somewhat less than from the flow, and a rather erratic source.. It would depend on the size of your ship though. You're gonna need a bigger boat

>> No.7583897

>>7583892
While true, I suspect that Saturn probably has very little in the way of weak turbulence, due to the lack of mountains and land features to cause it; there may be little middle ground between "murder hurricane" and "calm, if exceedingly fast, breeze."

>> No.7584036

>>7583782
>people would live in giant airship-cities
That's more of a Venus solution than a Saturn one. Saturn has a mostly hydrogen atmosphere. It would be a bitch keeping anything floating.

This idea of having pressure-vessel balloons that are buoyant because they have a lower pressure inside them is even more absurd in a hydrogen atmosphere than in the one we have on Earth.

The idea of using wind power is a dumb one. You can't put a windmill on a balloon, unless it's tethered to something.

The stuff about Mars is mostly wrong and stupid. Mars is vastly easier to live on, and to be independent of Earth on, than Saturn.
>Water. Even if there are traces, you would have to dig for that.
Holy shit is this ever stupid. Mars has lots of water all over the place. Digging ice up is far easier than trying to harvest water from clouds.

I'm just going to stop there, because this would be an embarassment as a junior high school science project.

>> No.7584917

>>7584036

however venus has not a gravity like the earth, the weaker gravity would still provoke osteoporosis, etc.

Plus, the magnetosphere of Venus is very weak and the radiations you would get from your airship would be even more intense that on Mars

>> No.7585144

>>7584917
Venus does have a very similar gravity to Earth since its the same size and mass.
The cloud tops even have a similar temperature and pressure than sea level on Earth.

>> No.7585187

>>7585144

nope, at the soil level venus has a surface gravity of 8.87 m/s2. Ours is 9.81 m/s2.

Moreover you would have to float ABOVE the soil, weakening the gravity you would feel.

Saturn would not have this problem since you can have a wider range of gravity intensity to choose from

>> No.7585242

I don't see Saturn itself as a viable planet to colonise.
However, Enceladus and Titan both seem far better candidates in regard to a functioning sustained habitat.
In reality though, I think- as most people in this thread will agree- Mars or Venus are far more attractive and accessible.

>> No.7585251

>>7585187
I really doubt a gravity field 90% of Earth's is going to cause any problems.

And no, floating would not noticeably decrease the gravity; even the ISS receives roughly the same gravitational force as a person on Earth's surface. You'd have to be at an altitude of 0.41 Venus radii above Venus's surface for the gravity to drop by half.