Engineering: Zero Jobs

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Engineering: Zero Jobs Anonymous Mon Sep 28 09:44:30 2015 No.7556367 [Reply] [Original]

Why would you go into engineering at this point? Unless you really, really love it and can't imagine yourself doing anything else, I couldn't understand why you would put yourself through so much trouble for a possible $60,000-$75,000 starting when you don't actually like it.

Civil is only so high because it works on cycles. It was shit 5-10 years ago and will be shit once again soon enough.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 28 09:57:15 2015 No.7556396

>>7556377
>1,900 jobs in 20 years
less than 100 jobs a year.

How many NEs do you think graduate each year?

https://www.orau.org/media-center/news-releases/2014/fy14-11-ORISE-report-shows-nuclear-engineering-graduation-rates-on-the-rise-in-2013.aspx

That's where we are. Even at graduation, ONLY including the graduates as competition, you have less than a 1/10 chance, but we aren't including just the graduates, but every NE that isn't employed and is still looking, so it's even less than what we think.

Your odds are abysmal. Do you not see this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:02:10 2015 No.7556401 >>7556396 define a nuclear engineering job not everyone in nuke does it to work at a nuke plant. and various sources has unemployment of nuclear engineers at .6% to 1.7%

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:03:11 2015 No.7556403 >>7556396 and you're assuming nobody does engineering because they like it, but are just out for money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:07:54 2015 No.7556410 >>7556403 I'm not. I mentioned in the OP the contrary. >>7556401 >define a nuclear engineering job If you're implying that you wouldn't work in NE, why are you majoring in NE in the first place? This is insane.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:10:51 2015 No.7556418

>>7556367
>entry level education: bachelor's degree
yeah ok there aren't many jobs for people who are accredited to push buttons, we get it.
what about real engineers who lead projects, do R&D, design stuff, manage supply chains, commercial engineers and so on? (>= master's degree)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:14:15 2015 No.7556420 >>7556418 >what about "real" engineers who lead projects None of you are them and those jobs are even harder to find, respectively.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:14:27 2015 No.7556421 >>7556418 >engineering masters degree literally useless

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:17:10 2015 No.7556425

If you can't find a job in your field, engineers tend to be able to find work elsewhere, hence the low unemployment rate.

A good friend of mine (math degree) works at a tech support company for hospitals and he started at 60k a year right out of school. He said most of the people he works with are engineers.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:19:11 2015 No.7556430

>>7556410
>If you're implying that you wouldn't work in NE, why are you majoring in NE in the first place?
because its a broad degree where i can work in a bunch of different industries, get into research on about a million different topics, and where my fallback option is a pretty sweet job at a nuke plant

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:20:59 2015 No.7556432 so many sheep just looking to get herded into a cubicle and fed a steady gruel of upper middle-class living. start a company you idiots. invent a product. don't take orders from some faggot marketers and business majors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:23:40 2015 No.7556441 >>7556432 >faggot marketers and business majors. You mean those guys that know much more than you regarding marketing and business in general and you'll have to hire sooner or later?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:34:09 2015 No.7556452 >>7556421 >>7556420 amerifats mad that they can't do anything with their degrees european engineer master race reporting in

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:39:49 2015 No.7556460 >>7556441 if your time is worth more than their time doing the exact same thing, you get more value from hiring them than not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:41:08 2015 No.7556466 >>7556432 >faggot marketers and business majors. and people wonder why STEM is unbearable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:42:27 2015 No.7556468 >>7556430 That's ME you're thinking of, friend

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:43:52 2015 No.7556470 >>7556468 kek this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:44:12 2015 No.7556472 >>7556441 you're so ignorant it hurts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:46:59 2015 No.7556480 >>7556468 MEs cant go out and get a job in health phys/radiation protection, fusion research, etc, while nukes can fit into most ME jobs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:47:52 2015 No.7556481 File: 23 KB, 279x440, 1428090789405.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556432 >"some faggot marketers and business majors!!!" >>7556472 >"btw you're so ignorant it hurts." you're literally irony incarnate. Is anyone else seeing this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:51:11 2015 No.7556488 >>7556481 your butthurt is palpable, /biz/norm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:51:13 2015 No.7556489 >>7556480 no one cares about nuclear technologies bro, get over yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:52:48 2015 No.7556491 >>7556367 Stop shit posting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:54:17 2015 No.7556495 >>7556480 Gonna need citations for all that (you won't find any)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:55:23 2015 No.7556498 >>7556491 You should. >>7556488 So you didn't actually have any retort? Well, I guess we're done here. >>7556489 this. Actually saying that the nuke jobs are your "backup" doesn't even make sense when there are few.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:59:10 2015 No.7556511 >why would you go into engineering there are no jobs You Probably posted this to try and get people to back out of engineering so that there will be less competition for you in the future. Nice engineering friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 10:59:32 2015 No.7556512 >>7556488 No, people just understand that there are marketers, accountants, and things other than engineers for a reason. That's called common sense.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:00:40 2015 No.7556515

>>7556498
what's there to retort to? i'm saying you're a useless piece of garbage that just drags down brilliant men into the cesspit of java enterprise web apps interfacing smartphone technologies turnkey solutions jvm angular js full stack multi-platform development and you're desperately kicking and screaming trying to tell me that your education was not a waste of time.

does the flyswatter retort the fly?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:02:21 2015 No.7556528 File: 18 KB, 197x200, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556515 B T F O T F O

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:08:36 2015 No.7556562 >>7556515 >>7556528 I wasn't a business major. Assumptions don't make you look smart, but like a moron. see >>7556512 as I can guarantee you've never run a business in your life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:10:39 2015 No.7556573 File: 6 KB, 200x200, ohmygod.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556403 >implying that anyone actually likes engineering lmao don't stop this is great. i bet you love making those computer chair legs in CAD ahahahah

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:11:39 2015 No.7556578 File: 31 KB, 1271x387, largest failure on sci.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556573 daily reminder

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:13:57 2015 No.7556601 >>7556578 >man enough to drop out My sides.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:15:22 2015 No.7556608
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>>7556578
Nobody cares about the physics major that switched out to CS or whatever that was. I'm literally half of the posts he's replying to. I was laughing my ass of in that thread. Saying that everyone but engineers are idiots is just a fucking dumb thing to say and all you're doing is making people not like engineers for being stuck up because you have to be a bad egg. Stop doing that because it does not look good, nigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:19:53 2015 No.7556634 >>7556608 >Saying that everyone but engineers are idiots are you blind or just retarded? dont put words in my mouth you fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:21:49 2015 No.7556645 File: 14 KB, 200x314, I+knew+it+was+not+real+when+the+mom+said+_2558950bc5ea2a1fd349ab1a629395ca.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556634 I don't know if you're >>7556432 >>7556488 but that's who I'm referring to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:22:52 2015 No.7556652 >>7556578 >>7556634 that whole fucking thread was an engineering circle jerk, don't fucking lie m8. i was in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:24:45 2015 No.7556667 >>7556645 i'm not >>7556652 no, it was an argument for why engineering is a better choice of major than phys.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:29:31 2015 No.7556708

>>7556667
Right, it started that way(I was the OP), but leading up to >>7556578 and afterwards was just engineering circlejerk thread /sci/ 2k16 edition. This board is small. I'm willing to bet that many of us have talked to each other multiple times on here. fuck, purdue nukefag is a perfect example, and was more than likely the NE ITT
>>7556377

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:31:48 2015 No.7556735 >>7556708 Oh, there's only one NE on /sci/ and it's Purdue nukefag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:32:59 2015 No.7556753 >>7556735 Well, he's definitely very prevalent and you can't deny that. he has a fucking name. he's always here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:37:21 2015 No.7556814 >>7556735 really wasn't the point. only saying that lots of us were probably in >>7556578

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:38:06 2015 No.7556818 lot of pent-up rage and frustration over choosing a useless, lesser major ITT

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:40:16 2015 No.7556843 >>7556818 most people on /sci/ aren't in uni or are still in uni.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:40:44 2015 No.7556849 >>7556818 I can't tell whether that's true or not because everyone on this board types like the same insufferable faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:43:11 2015 No.7556879 >>7556849 >I can't tell whether that's true or not because everyone on this website types like the same insufferable faggot ftfy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 11:43:59 2015 No.7556894 >>7556849 It's not true (at least not totally) I know I normally shit up these retarded threads. Also this >>7556843

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:31:17 2015 No.7558671

The fallacy here is that they are merely citing growth in the total number of jobs without factoring the number of people who are actually trying to flood into them out of college.

For instance, in the discussion just below your post, >>7556377 posts a pic of Nuke Eng saying that it's growth rate is 9% (as fast as average). So Nuke is pretty good right?

Well, not so according to >>7556396, There are about 6 times as many graduates as there are jobs in the nuke field.

Was this entire post just to reiterate exactly, precisely the same point as >>7556396
did and therefore probably unnecessary entirely?

Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:33:44 2015 No.7558679 >>7556849 >everyone on this board types like the same insufferable faggot Welcome to 4chan, you must be new here.

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:50:13 2015 No.7558740
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>>7556367
>Software developers get paid much more than programmers with the same level of qualifications, just to tell the programmers what to do.
>The job outlook is like 3 times that of programmers
lul

Anonymous Mon Sep 28 22:53:03 2015 No.7558748

>>7556489
>no one cares about nuclear technologies bro, get over yourself.
you won't say that when you get cancer and need radiation therapy, then go to the cafeteria and eat the food that's been irradiated to sterilize it, then take a PET scan to confirm your cancers been destroyed by the BNCT, then you go home to your shitty life and shitpost and use all that sweet nuclear power

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:40:22 2015 No.7558854 File: 43 KB, 600x480, 9c0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556367 Shit I'm in Mechanical Engineering right now, but I'm not THAT far into the program yet. What should I switch to that can still use some of the classes I've already taken?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:42:46 2015 No.7558862 >>7558854 >Changing your career plan over a 4chan post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 28 23:43:15 2015 No.7558863 >>7558854 you're not going to make it no matter what you decide to do

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:25:00 2015 No.7559585 >>7558854 Keep in mind that studying ME doesn't necessarily mean your job title will be ME t. BSME working in aerospace

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 09:50:51 2015 No.7559634 >>7559585 >implying aero is not a direct subdivision of ME

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 10:51:49 2015 No.7559729 File: 29 KB, 534x231, Screenshot from 2015-09-29 09:49:49.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7559634 It is, along with nuclear and chemical, but the BLS treats it as it's own separate thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:01:03 2015 No.7559745 File: 104 KB, 800x800, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556652 >that whole fucking thread was an engineering circle jerk You're gonna have to specify, mate. We are on /sci/ remember. BA DUM TSSSS*

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:25:27 2015 No.7559784

>>7556432
Fucking this. Why people are proudly riding the treadmill to a live of drudgery for their boss who probably does fuck all is a complete mystery to me. My uncle owns an engineering company that designs and makes custom showers. It's not super prestigious but at least he doesn't have to take shit from some faggot with a business degree. If you're obsessed with prestige you can start low, build up money and maybe even one day start your own aero company. Even Lockheed had to start at the bottom. Right now I dropped out of university to make and sell hobby drones. I'll make them bigger and more complex and cultivate my contacts until one day I'll be selling to the military. Call me delusional all you want, at least I have vision beyond 9 to 5 in the cubicle for 40k a year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:30:04 2015 No.7559791 >Civil Engineers >median lay 80,000 a year I'll take it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:37:57 2015 No.7559802 I just want a high-paying job in an area I like. I live in the US so teaching is out of the question.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:41:39 2015 No.7559809 >plebs arguing over who gets the best scraps You guys sure are funny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:46:21 2015 No.7559821 >>7559809 You consider 80k a year scraps? OK lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:48:43 2015 No.7559828 >>7559821 What's that? 50k in real money? It's nice but it's not worth the years of ball busting STEM study at university. If you guys are as clever as you say you are then surely your brainpower is worth more then the average middle class wage?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:49:35 2015 No.7559829 >>7559828 80k including taxes fam

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:50:18 2015 No.7559833 >>7559821 80k a year is scraps.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:52:04 2015 No.7559834 >>7559833 No it isn't. I can live extremely comfortably on that, have a nice car, nice house, family etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:52:37 2015 No.7559836 >>7559828 >it's not worth the years of ball busting STEM study only 4 years lol, even less for some of us 80k where I live is like 200k in new york

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:53:13 2015 No.7559838

>>7559828
>It's nice but it's not worth the years of ball busting STEM study at university.
>A degree in civil being anything more than a breeze

Maybe not as easy as accounting, but, for people that enjoy it, designing buildings and bridges for 80k a year is pretty great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:54:07 2015 No.7559841 >>7559834 The point is you can make more money for less effort. You're a wagecuck. >have a nice house Yeah crippling mortgage lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:56:53 2015 No.7559848 >>7559841 Lol what. So what are you going to have instead of a mortgage? Live in an apartment that you can't sell?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:57:43 2015 No.7559850 >>7559838 >designing buildings and bridges for 80k a year is pretty great. And how much does the guy who owns the bridge designing company make? Have some real ambition /sci/.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:03:19 2015 No.7559860

>>7559848
The clever way
>Buy shitty flat
>Live with parents and rent it out
>It pays for itself in 5-10 years
>Either sell it and use it to get a reduced mortgage on a proper house or continue renting it and use the money to get a mortgage on yet another flat and so on
The wagecuck way
>Get the biggest house with the most massive mortgage you can get your hands on as soon as you get your first graduate job
>Have it as a dead weight around your neck for the next 20 years.
>Boss owns you because the second he drops you is the second you can't afford that huge mortgage anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:06:10 2015 No.7559866 >>7559834 It's all about the cuck ratio my friend. You probably net 10x what they pay you for your boss. You get scraps.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:07:38 2015 No.7559869

>>7559850
>And how much does the guy who owns the bridge designing company make?
Who cares? Being a business owner means you have to spend all day (and sometimes all night) doing PR shit, keeping tabs on the departments, and making sure you keep the gov't happy wrt taxes and regulations, etc. If I wanted to be a business man, I would have gone into business. Instead, I want to spend 9-5 turning math into cool stuff, while pursuing other goals on evenings and weekends.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:13:34 2015 No.7559881 >>7559860 >>Live with parents I think I found a kink in your master plan

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:17:36 2015 No.7559891

>>7559869
No you retard you keep hiring people to do shit until you don't have to do anything yourself. What you describe is what start-uppers have to go through.
>Cool stuff
Every engineer I know does banal shit like water flow measurement or structural calculations for some small block of flats. If you think you are going to be working on spectacular projects you are deluded, you are just doing grunt work to get some rich jew landlord's new block of flats built so that he can become even richer because like hell are they going to be affordable to the local community. But if you're happy to be a pleb, more power to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:18:00 2015 No.7559892 >graduate EE >6 months later not a even a single interview >have to pay back loans soon heh

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:20:30 2015 No.7559899 File: 63 KB, 722x349, nightmare vision goggles.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7559892 iktf Graduated ME, have had plenty of interviews, but they never go anywhere

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:28:40 2015 No.7559909 >>7559892 >>7559899 Did you guys even participate in internships during your education?

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:35:45 2015 No.7559920

>>7559909
I did, chemE, internship, decent school, good grades. Only got one interview and didn't get the job, I was told that there was someone else more qualified and with more experience. Currently thinking of getting a Ph.D since I can't get a job otherwise.

>>7559892
>>7559899
Stay strong brothers, our time will come.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:40:01 2015 No.7559927

>>7559909
ME here, did a co-op for two years, and I could probably get my old boss to give me a full-time job there, but they're a couple million in the red and pay $40k. Screw that. I'll keep holding out for my $60k starting.

>>7559920
Maybe just a Master's? That's what I'm doing now.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:02:05 2015 No.7559961
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>>7559791
Median incomes can be misleading.

Take a sample of 11 guys. 5 guys just graduated college. They cannot find jobs, or if they can, it's unpaid to minimum wage ($15k) internships.

6 other professionals in the same field have been in the business for 20 to 30 years. They earn $80+k a year.

The median income of these 11 workers is 80k. An oversimplified example, of course, but isn't math fun?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:38:51 2015 No.7560020 >>7559920 You have a masters and can't find a jerb? Damn bro

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:47:04 2015 No.7560039

>>7560020
Is it me? I mean look at OP's pic, there only 33,300 chem eng jobs in the US. In the next 10 years there might be about 34,800. That's a growth of about 150 jobs per year. That's probably less than the amount that graduate from the top 3 schools in the country. So it looks like I've got two options: either get a higher degree or look abroad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:50:44 2015 No.7560042 >>7560039 Are you searching and applying for jobs across the U.S. Or just in a specific area?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:51:27 2015 No.7560044 >>7559961 5 fresh graduated make 15k 6 senior engineers make 80+k ((515k) + (680k))/11 = ??? mr faggot engineer here says 80k median what is it really? 50k you faggot engineers should literally burn yourselves

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:55:19 2015 No.7560055 >>7560044 >Talking about median >Some faggot calculates the mean pls kill urself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:06:51 2015 No.7560077 > so much trouble for a possible $60,000-$75,000 starting Because that's really good money, dumbass. The alternative is digging holes or running a cash register for a third or less of that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:08:20 2015 No.7560080 I'm a dirty slut and love the sweet taste of cum

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:09:34 2015 No.7560084 >>7560080 Do you have a pissy or boipsuyy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:11:12 2015 No.7560085 >>7559909 tried to, no one would take me got one offer and then they changed their minds at the last minute.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:12:29 2015 No.7560087 >>7560055 >urself the amount of 3rd world faggots on /sci/ is to high nowadays

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:14:09 2015 No.7560090 >>7560087 >to high Good thing the amount of enlightened gentlemen from America is the same. :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:25:43 2015 No.7560113 >>7560077 >Lol I get more scraps than some other people who work for scraps, this must mean I get paid well! You would be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:42:48 2015 No.7560140 >>7560090 >america german masterrace

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:44:20 2015 No.7560143

>>7559866
>cuck ratio
Say you're a ChemE and you discover some tweak that boosts efficiency and saves your company $1m/y costs
If that's all you do for your whole career there, and they pay you $100k/yr until retirement, their return on investment in your salary is 1000%.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:46:53 2015 No.7560145

>>7559961
>minimum wage ($15k) internships.
m8 i've never seen an engr internship pay less than 15 an hour. my roommate makes just over 21 an hour during his coop. it's almost always laid out in terms of uni class level and standing and range from 15 to 30 an hour. most are around 20-25 an hour

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 14:57:33 2015 No.7560158 >>7560145 Mine was $10.25. Don't regret it, though, learned way more than what any of my classes did

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:01:42 2015 No.7560166 >>7560158 Damn. Literally a wageslave.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:03:46 2015 No.7560169 >>7560166 >being a NEET sperglord

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:08:01 2015 No.7560172

>>7556367
>Why would you go into engineering at this point? Unless you really, really love it and can't imagine yourself doing anything else

Because I'm terrible at everything, so I rather be terrible at something that I enjoy. I like computers and always wanted to work in designing and building computer type stuff like desktop parts, laptops, and Metal Gears.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:11:32 2015 No.7560179 >>7560172 Computer Engineer major, btw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:19:45 2015 No.7560201 >>7556441 >not working with them to start your own business jesus fuck people are thick here in a capitalist society it's easy enough to make a company large enough where you can sell it to a larger one

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:42:17 2015 No.7560240 File: 266 KB, 1280x720, 1443406641764.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7560201 >start your own business Because fuck having a reliable income

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:46:59 2015 No.7560251 >>7560240 yeah it's not for pussies

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:47:10 2015 No.7560252 >>7556432 >start a company you idiots. invent a product Yeah, because starting a company and creating a successful invention is so easy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 15:47:17 2015 No.7560254 >>7560240 because fuck being a slave to someone who lives they dream while you throw away yours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 16:05:39 2015 No.7560291 >>7560166 Apparently some lawyers here pay up to $22k for an internship now because it's so saturated firms are beating back applicants with a stick

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:30:24 2015 No.7560455

I'm thinking of just saying 'fuck it' and majoring in Botany. Fuck the starting wage shit, as long as I can actually get into something. Plus, plants interest me more than engineering shit. On a scale of 'you should've just majored in the arts' to 10, how alright is a botany degree?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:34:45 2015 No.7560469 >>7560455 would you be interested and going to some unsettled land and starting an automated farm?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:45:09 2015 No.7560491 >>7560469 Sure thing. That sounds fun as fuck, and even if it isn't, I'm away from shit.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:47:00 2015 No.7560494

>>7559892
>>7559899
>get told I can easily get job with EE
>graduate
>cant find any professional
>eventually have to work as a dishwasher
>meagar pay from working a low skill job and paying loans
I regret ever going to university , I also feel kind of lied too.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 17:55:09 2015 No.7560512
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>>7560494
At least you can do triple integrals now

Also, just keep looking, bro, and keep in touch with contacts and whatnot. A lot of it is just getting lucky/talking to the right person at the right time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 18:46:42 2015 No.7560607 >>7560469 Like, mars?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:15:29 2015 No.7560782 >>7560512 >At least you can do triple integrals now wow, that sure is helping to pay the bills

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:23:47 2015 No.7560795 >Be told by /sci/ "your math degree is useless bro. >enter into EE masters program(btw, for EE the department actually likes/prefers math majors - guess the engi-shitposters were wrong). >now get told I won't get jobs in EE. Well what the fuck /sci/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:28:15 2015 No.7560798 >>7560795 >Well what the fuck my sentiment exactly , pretty lies fed to me for whatever ulterior motives I cant begin to understand.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:29:43 2015 No.7560800

Also anyone find that nuclear engineering shitposter laughable?

Nuclear engineering is like a retarded version of a nuclear focused applied physics degree. There is literally no reason to major in it, it's a very specialized engineering degree with few uses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:37:47 2015 No.7560815 >>7560800 He's smarter than pretty much all of /sci/ tbh

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:40:15 2015 No.7560817 File: 8 KB, 235x164, nucl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7560800 nah

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:59:13 2015 No.7560843

>>7558740
But how many people in computer science do you think has any leadership skills to do that job? lol Don't know about you, but all the computer science majors at my school are inverted or have enough autism to function normally around people, and that's not a joke there are several functioning autists offered a scholarship for comp programming, probably because they're so damn good at taking orders.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:15:00 2015 No.7560870 >>7560494 no way this is real... what was your graduating GPA?' I refuse to believe an EE can't find a job. Only times I hear that happening is when you have a shit gpa

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:18:33 2015 No.7560873

>>7560145
Yep.

One of my friends, he graduated already, had an internship one summer in redwood city I think.

I think he was getting paid 28/hr to do fuck all.

He used to tell use that he felt bad because he barely did anything and he was getting paid for that.

I was like nigga you made it. Getting paid to do shit? shiiiieeeet

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:25:13 2015 No.7560880 >>7560815 >>7560817 Purduefag stay go >>7560795 >>7560798 Your mileage greatly varies, mostly based on luck and who you know

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:27:06 2015 No.7560882 >>7556396 it's 1,900 jobs in 10 years according to that picture 2012-22. so more than 100 jobs per year no less. also i studied engineering out of love of the subject and wanting to understand how things worked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 21:44:35 2015 No.7560894 >>7560254 There's dreams, and there's reality. Give it a shot, sure. Bank on it? Get real.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 22:09:26 2015 No.7560941 >>7560870 3.16

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 22:27:59 2015 No.7560974 interesting any other stem majors having extreme difficulty finding work?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 22:32:29 2015 No.7560986 File: 33 KB, 426x458, 1441764811005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7560941 That's pretty shit, tbqphwtf (to be quite perfectly honest with you fam)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:44:20 2015 No.7561123 >>7560880 >Get an engineering degree they said >It will let you stay in STEM they said. What's worse than getting a degree in Physics and not being able to find work? Getting a degree in a subject you hate and still not being able to find work.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:46:22 2015 No.7561127

>>7556432

Inventing anything worthwhile is near impossible except for ME. EE inventions take massive resources to develop and huge capital.

The time of the small-time inventor are over, the best bet is making some Farmville clone and ripping off a bunch of idiots on their tablets.

That's literally what we're reduced to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:50:07 2015 No.7561140 How factible would it be to go from a B.Sc. in ME to a M.Sc in Nuke?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:51:58 2015 No.7561143 >>7561140 Literally why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:52:53 2015 No.7561149 >>7561140 Nearly impossible if you can't speak English properly. Pretty easy, otherwise.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 05:55:24 2015 No.7561618
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>>7556367
>likes coding, good at it
>likes circuitry and electrodynamics, decent at it
>chooses Computer Engineering
>9% job outlook

did i fuck up /sci/? I'm in my 3rd year already and I'm fucking loving it. Doesn't hurt that I live in Silicon Valley either, but still haven't landed any internships. Wat do

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 07:31:34 2015 No.7561682 >>7561618 you fucked up as soon as you started doubting yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 10:43:40 2015 No.7561946 File: 30 KB, 497x512, r_u_srs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >literally all of these engineering students ITT trying to justify it to everyone it's truly pretty sad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 15:53:59 2015 No.7562421 >>7560795 the engineering shortage myth is generally perpetuated by tech companies so they can depress wages.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 15:56:10 2015 No.7562425 >>7561618 Are you at Cal or Stanford? Those are pretty much the places Silicon Valley companies go for interns, and for new hires, at least in norcal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 16:16:01 2015 No.7562462 File: 19 KB, 616x411, breh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7562425 San Jose State ;_; >>7561682 bruhhh

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 16:21:27 2015 No.7562475 >>7561946 fuck off pupper

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 19:43:37 2015 No.7562871 >>7562462 why are at SJ state? Did you try to get into Cal at least?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 19:58:59 2015 No.7562897 >>7556367 >~1 million engineering jobs >~320 million people in the US >~literally 0.003% chance of growing up to be an engineer

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:18:35 2015 No.7562914 File: 34 KB, 280x380, 1442598592699.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7562897 >every single person in the country goes to university for an engineering degree nice try

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:21:34 2015 No.7562919 This thread legitimately makes me want to just save my time and money and go into something else. I don't want to take out loans every year and bust my ass for 5-6 years just to not be able to find a job even after six months of searching.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:28:22 2015 No.7562928

>>7556396
You'll note that this math requires that not a single NE ever retires, is laid off, or quits to work in a different field.

For instance, imagine that in 2017, 1000 senior nuclear engineers retire from the industry. Less senior engineers are promoted to fill those roles, and all the way down the line until 1000 entry-level positions are opened up.

Due to unrelated industry growth, 100 new engineering positions are also opened up.

1100 nuclear engineering positions opened up in 2017. The total number of employed engineers, and thus the growth, has only increased by 100.

It also requires that nuclear engineers can only find fulfilling, interesting employment doing nuclear engineering - I know, for instance, an EE graduate who is currently enjoying an interesting career in aerospace engineering. Engineering degrees have a good bit of cross-domain applicability. So the total number of interesting job openings for which an NukeE graduate might be suitable is much larger than these numbers indicate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:29:43 2015 No.7562929 >>7562919 you're a fucking idiot you probably wont succeed in anything you do so it doesnt even matter

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:33:26 2015 No.7562934
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>>7562919
it sounds like you don't have passion for engineering, since this online anonymous image board has made you waver. I recommend finding passion for something, if not, something that makes you happy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:43:40 2015 No.7562949 >>7562934 is there a difference between the two?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:55:58 2015 No.7562970 >>7562949 Yes. Passion makes you care deeply about doing a thing (but not necessarily enjoy doing it). Enjoying it just means that you like doing it, even if you don't necessarily think it's important or fulfilling.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:37:14 2015 No.7563190 >>7556432 Those people giving orders are the ones with social skills hint: if you never go outside, you will fail hopelessly if you try to manage other people at a job

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:45:22 2015 No.7563202 >>7562462 Actually, SJSU is not absolutely awful....

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:46:39 2015 No.7563206

>>7562934

To be frank no one has a passion for anything they have worked their asses off on for 4+ years.

Degrees drain your love of the subject, this is simply fact.

Engineering and even more-so for Math and Physics is fucking hard. The performance demands will make everyone the opposite of happy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:47:43 2015 No.7563208 >>7563206 >even more-so for Math and Physics lel

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:49:26 2015 No.7563214

>>7563206
>To be frank no one has a passion for anything they have worked their asses off on for 4+ years.
False

>Degrees drain your love of the subject, this is simply fact.
False

>Engineering and even more-so for Math and Physics is fucking hard.
False

A degree is literally the easiest part of your career. If that's enough to make you want to quit, you picked the wrong major

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:54:49 2015 No.7563217

>>7563214

>a degree is literally the easiest part of your career.

Maybe in math or physics, in engineering it's the hardest. Most engineering jobs at the entry level are way, way easier and rarely use anything beyond elementary theory. The jobs demand far, far less effort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:16:44 2015 No.7563250 >>7558671 "We need more phermacists! No, nevermind, now we have too many...here's you're paycut"

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:27:47 2015 No.7563280

I want /sci/ to pick the major that I will transfer into from CC to Uni.

Yes, I will decide my future from 4chan

Pick one. I already have prereqs finished for ALL of them:

Chemistry
Physics
Math
Applied Math
Chemical Engineering
Aerospace Engineering
Electrical Engineering
Mechanical Engineering
Biology
Microbiology
Biochemistry
Biomedical Engineering
Materials Science

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:29:05 2015 No.7563281 >>7563280 women's studies

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:31:26 2015 No.7563287 >>7563280 >no nuclear engineering it's like you want to want to fail

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:31:35 2015 No.7563289

>>7556367

You don't have to stay in the US guys. Chem engg here looking to work in waste management, can you imagine how many engineers India will need once the majority of the population moves out of slums?

OP's correct that doing engineering just to make bank is fucking retarded, but basing pretty much any career choice on job prospects is honestly brainless. If you're smart, work hard and have a degree you can get a job, just depends what job.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:34:27 2015 No.7563293

>>7560143
If that's all you did there you'd be gone. It's all about dat bottom line, and if you aren't pulling you're weight, you're out.>>7562421
It sounds paranoid, but that's exactly what happens. It happened in pharmacy, and now their trying it for engineering.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:36:52 2015 No.7563297

>>7560795
This so much. Dad works in a large software company and he claims he'd hire any half-competent math major as a programmer even if they had literally 0 coding experience.

Math is fucking hard but if you get through it and are capable of any level of conversation you won't have trouble getting jobs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:02:10 2015 No.7563340 >>7556367 >Unless you really, really love it and can't imagine yourself doing anything else Exactly what do you plan on doing when you grow up, OP? I mean, at minimum, what you plan to do in six years when you turn 18.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 02:06:09 2015 No.7563578 >>7563297 What company? I am a math major with a 4 year degree. I will happily do programming work for the company.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 02:15:11 2015 No.7563583 File: 2.12 MB, 380x286, tysonreaction.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7556403 We call engineers that like it applied physicist

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 04:10:07 2015 No.7563704 reminder to enjoy your career and life no matter what and not make decisions for purely financial reasons unless that is your line of work

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 04:46:51 2015 No.7563749

> always hear about people dropping out of their engineering major
> tons of people like 3 semesters or more behind on their schedule
> people constantly bitching about their education draining their passion for their major
Meanwhile I'm a few months from my BEng, and my love for the subjects grew more and more each semester. Planning on getting a MEng afterwards and being a 9-5 cuck designing electronics. As long as I can afford some bikes, an econobox and a small house, I'm happy. Thankfully all the refugees and hipsters flood the metropolitan areas so I can happily live in the countryside. Just hope the price of land doesn't go up as the cities are flooded because everyone wants out all of a sudden.
Oh and by the end of it all I'll owe my country around 10,000 € to be paid back after 20 years, starting 5 years after I graduate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 05:15:21 2015 No.7563782 >>7560986 Thats graduating with high honors at GA Tech

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 05:16:21 2015 No.7563784 >>7563782 *honors I'm sorry

>>	Surreal Thu Oct 1 05:19:45 2015 No.7563792 >>7563583 Fucking this. Wished to be applied physicist but wasn't smart enough or driven enough. ended up an engineer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 05:58:37 2015 No.7563841 >>7556367 Regardless of the job market, if you do engineering without liking it, you're a faggot. All job markets are shit right now, and will continue to be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 08:22:00 2015 No.7564022 >>7562919 Go to trade school I wish I had instead of going to college

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