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7538826 No.7538826 [Reply] [Original]

No, I ain't talking 'bout your average, run-of-the-mill engineer with a bachelor's degree, who spends his day on SolidWorks while having a serious case of swamp ass.

I'm talking about the innovators, the leaders who are on breathtaking, state-of-the-art projects. Creating incredible machines and parts that fuel them that make you go "Wait, that's actually possible?!".

Don't be that faggot who studies Engineering because of the money, because he wants a $60k/year starting salary. Be the Engineer that can create a small drone by himself, from scratch. Be the guy who amazes his peers around him.

Stop working your shitty mundane job and go back to school for your Masters. Fuck it, or just go for a PhD. DO IT.

>> No.7538829

I would but unfortunately I'm not smart enough, sorry to disappoint you

>> No.7538831

>>7538826
neat

>> No.7538832
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7538832

daily reminder that engineers make shit like this possible

>> No.7538833

Mathematicians are more artistic in my opinion given that they give praise for math just for the sake of math while engineer has a more problem-solving approach. But yes you are right, only butthurt art mayors would think that a mastery in these fields has nothing to do with art.

>> No.7538847

>>7538826
>Engineers Are Autists
ftfy

>> No.7538859
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7538859

>>7538826
Most engineers are little shitdips as well an annoyance to the real scientists unless they have a PhD. And even then all they do is steal credit from physicists.

>Engineers are glorified lego building professionals.

>> No.7538860

>>7538826
That man is pretty handsome though he has a questionable hairstyle for a professional work environment.

>Be the Engineer that can create a small drone by himself, from scratch.
>Not just programming a RaspPi to create anything you want in 1/1000 the time.
You're like the freetard equivalent of engineering. Also unlike science/math grad-school in engineering does not make you special, only do it if you intend on a graduate career, you can already do anything you want with just the bachelors.

>> No.7538862

>>7538859
When are you physicists going to get over you butthurt of losing the Nobel to engineers?

Your discipline has been utterly superseded, deal with it.

>> No.7538863

>>7538847

>Pure Math majors are Autists
ftfy

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7538870

>>7538862
>Muh electrical engineering
>What is a proton.

>> No.7538873

>>7538870

Shut the fuck up already Physics hasn't been relevant since Einstein

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>>7538873
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, an engineer.

>> No.7538894

>>7538826
Hijacking this thread for
>Stop working your shitty mundane job and go back to school for your Masters

Is it uncommon in the US to have a Masters? Here in Europe it kind of seems like a bachelor's by itself isn't worth alot.

>> No.7538899

>>7538894
this
european engineers are what OP describes basically.

>> No.7538901

>>7538894

people pay tens of thousands in tuition fees and then have to work for years to pay off the student loans

in Europe you can get a degree for $12

>> No.7538904

>>7538901
Do you think that more people would go to grad school of their undergrad didn't cost a gorillion dollars?

Also, wouldn't a Master allow for much better jobs, salary-wise?

>> No.7538908

>>7538904
not him but
>Do you think that more people would go to grad school of their undergrad didn't cost a gorillion dollars?
definitely, I think student debt is too crippling to be ignored as a factor

>Also, wouldn't a Master allow for much better jobs, salary-wise?
It should , why do you ask ?

>> No.7538913

>>7538904
>Also, wouldn't a Master allow for much better jobs, salary-wise?
Depends on the field, and most importantly, how much industry experience you have. An ME just out of school with a Master's isn't really going to be making more than one with a BS, whereas in Materials Eng, a Master's is practically required.

>> No.7538917

Art is a mirror for self-reflection of emotion and thoughts, so nope.

>> No.7538921

>>7538908
I'm in europe myself so it's not very relevant to me, I'm just curious how higher education is different in the US. I wondered if it's worth it to go to grad school (debt-wise) for the higher salary.

But as >>7538913 said it's field dependent ofcourse. I can imagine that if you're already 30k in debt you're not exactly jumping at the thought of getting another 20k.

>> No.7538923

>>7538894
Because EU engineers are like American technologists. They are not real, internationally accredited professional engineers.

Exceptions: UK, France

>> No.7538929

>>7538923
switzerland is an exception too I think

>> No.7538934

>>7538929
Yeah, but like France they are too obsessed with being Brussels' butt buddy to critique the atrociously low standards of the rest of Europe. So they mutually accredit the tech meme degrees from Germany et. al. instead of joining the international engineering community like UK.

>> No.7538957

>>7538901
>$12
€0 even

>> No.7538961

>>7538957
It's not free because you could be earning a salary in that time you idiots.

>> No.7538981

>>7538901
>in Europe you can get a degree for $12
Not really, although I don't have tuition fees I do have living expences. I need on average 600€ per month which sums up to 36,000€ for a master's degree. Of course it's not your 200k or whatever it is you pay for going to an US school but still.

>> No.7538993

>>7538981
You'd have living expenses whether you're in university or working at a McDonald's.

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7538994

>>7538908

Bachelor's grad who gets his entry-level job: $40,000/year

Master's grad who gets his entry-level job: $40,000/year

Bachelor's grad who gets a job with 5 years of experience: $80,000/year

Master's grad who gets a job with 5 years of experience: $120,000/year

>> No.7538996

>>7538961
>that one guy that speaks about opportunity cost
you don't earn shit if you can't get a job.

>> No.7539001

>>7538981
US schools are only expensive if you go to private schools or out of state, which probably isn't all that different from EU
Came from a lower middle class family and got a degree from UC Berkeley without paying a dollar for tuition, and all my books/school expenses paid for by grants. I just had to cover living expenses.
You're only screwed if you live in a state with shit public unis (i.e. every state that's not on the coast, lol)

>> No.7539082

>>7538994
>Bachelor's grad who gets his entry-level job: >$40,000/year
>Master's grad who gets his entry-level job: >$40,000/year
How deluded are you?

>> No.7539118

>>7539082
its not that delusional. its an entry level job. if a bachelor's degree holder is just as capable of doing cost of materials or autocad work as the master's holder, then why pay more and why deal with a master's holder who might bounce after thinking that entry level job duties and pay isn't good enough for him/her?

>> No.7539120

>>7539118
true
if someone with a master's accepts doing such a job, they shouldn't have gone for a master's degree in the first place.

>> No.7539127

>>7539120

you continue to be an idiot

it's an entry level job for a reason, even the master's degree holder needs experience before he can get into the lucrative jobs

>> No.7539135

>>7539127
you're retarded.
There's a reason why good schools require doing internships.
no one would take a 40k job where I come from.

>> No.7539138

>>7539135

yeah fam that internship is gonna net you that $100k job out the gate :^)

kill yourself

>> No.7539162

>>7538826
>create a small drone by himself, from scratch

How small? A drone isn't anything special, just a special way to say UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle). So people are building these things all the time, big deal.

No building a medium to large sized UAV, or programing your own small UAV to fly around obstacles and change elevations while being able to carry a full glass of water, now that's something.

But let's be honest, once you get past the small to medium sized UAVs it isn't really possible to do on your own, unless you have 100s of thousands of dollars kicking around for research and prototypes. This field is left for large companies who are willing to spend the money to innovate, and they aren't going to hire just one person to design and build the thing.

OP stop being deluded. If your pic is of any relevance, then you seem to think that knowledge and skill can be learned and perfected fresh out of school. It can't. The majority of innovative technologies have come as the result of a long term trial and error process. The engineers involved (so called senior engineers for a reason) have gained experience and specialized knowledge in their specific fields that allows them to make decisions with large sums of money. They have gained the respect and recognition in their field through years upon years of displaying above adequate work. It isn't artistic expression. It's the expression of knowledge through the accumulation of mistakes and past successes.

TLDR: OP is wrong on all accounts.

>> No.7539170

>>7538863
> 90% of Math, Physics, and Engineer majors are autistic.

fixed that for all of you

>> No.7539176

>>7538859
>steal credit from physicists
Not really. Sure, they apply some theory from a physicist. But why is that stealing? I thought physicists and math majors did their work for the benefit and progression of the human race. Stop being jealous of engineers making money off your work.

>> No.7539181

>>7538917
>implying there's no new vision of self in maths

>> No.7539242

>>7539138
idc what you think, I know what I'm doing.
so yeah, tell me to kill myself then go back to your mom's basement.

>> No.7539251

>>7538826
>your Masters. Fuck it, or just go for a PhD. DO IT
You almost convinced me. But I think you can be a good engineer (as you defined it), even without a bachelors degree.

>> No.7539301

>>7539170

actually not true for engineers

we have filthy normies plaguing us instead of autismos

>> No.7539382

I'm a chemistry undergrad that is applying to grad school in a couple months. I'm applying to phd programs for chem and a couple M.Sc programs for ChemE.

What's so great about ChemE? What do they do other than be a process engineer? Sure that's a lot of money, but it sounds kinda boring...

>> No.7539402

>>7539242
Not him, but you're being a little naive. I really hope you're still freshman/sophomore, because there's people that would kill for a 100K / year job right out of college. It just doesn't happen.

I knew a guy that did it, but he was a math/physics double major with a M.Sc in CS who had been programming since 15. He had multiple programming jobs, internships, hell he paid for his schooling and bought a BMW before he was 20 with the money he made from programming.

Long story short, he's been doing this a long time and he's only 24. He's incredibly talented and had multiple degrees in very difficult subjects. We can dream, but as a senior seeing some friends with math, physics, etc. degrees graduate a year ago, I would be incredibly happy making 50 - 60k starting.

Of course, everyone here including yourself is a 150+ IQ MENSA certified genius who does EE at MIT, so you got nothing to worry about, champ :^)

>> No.7540028

>>7538826
>innovators

Undoubtedly the most annoying buzzword

It's right up there with "epic" now

>> No.7540061

>>7539382
Process engineering is a small facet. ChemE is like a bridge between Chemistry, Materials Science, Biology/Genetic Engineering, and process design.

A ton of manpower in ChemE goes into simulations, green energy research, systems modeling, materials research, and other things that you wouldn't expect. Process design is just the industry money-maker.

>> No.7540066

>>7539135
then look forward to a long period of unemployment

>> No.7541543

>>7540061
>Materials Science
>materials research

I always thought that was the big one for ChemEs

Only if we don't count the Medical side as part of it