/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.7537302]

>go to half price books and buy books on engineering because I start uni in january and want to really know what i'm getting into
>actually read about what engineering is from engineers with PhDs at top 20 uni's, what you can do with what majors, what kinds of jobs you perform as an engineer, how projects work, how it differs from what scientists do, interviews of well known engineers - instead of reading what some random anons say online

>mfw realization hits 50 pages in that nobody on 4chan has a single clue what engineering is or what engineers do

It's actually impressive how retarded you realize this website is by reading any book on the subject in question. It really tells you something.

[None !!zzZZJ1pe5rt No.7537304]

Ok

[Anonymous No.7537306]

You mean it took you actual research to find out 4chan was full of shit?

[Anonymous No.7537322]

>>7537304
>>7537306
nice damage control /sci/. it's the only thing you actually have an expertise in

[Anonymous No.7537327]

Did you finally realize that /sci/ was so wrong about engineers blowing their boss's dick?

The truth is... engineers take 2 up in the ass while sucking the boss's dick. I agree, we are fucking retarded for that.

[Anonymous No.7537434]

>>7537302
did it take you all this time to realize most of /sci/ has no experience, no network, no knowledge of another place of their moms website, and most of all, is filled with people who think all engineers are american engineers with a bachelor's degree ?
Good for you anon, now you know

[Anonymous No.7537437]

>>7537327
>>7537434
see >>7537322

[Anonymous No.7537442]

>>7537434
>nobody on 4chan has a single clue what engineering is or what engineers do
this includes you. stay mad

[Anonymous No.7537443]

>>7537302
Yes, forget the 90% of engineers lets only focus on the 10% who are the ideal engineers and say that's what all engineers do and not what engineers can or should do.

[Anonymous No.7537444]

>>7537437
>people agree with you
>damage control
k

sage/report then, this thread isn't even about science

[Anonymous No.7537447]

>>7537302
the fact that you ever put weight into what 4chan says, or had to read anything to realize that the shit you see on 4chan is retarded just shows how retarded you also are

[Anonymous No.7537448]

>>7537442
yes I'm very very mad

[Anonymous No.7537457]

All engineers I know sit work from 8 am to 5 pm everyday to hear their boss's demanding shit that is almost impossible to do for the short time span they have. Resulting in working overtime and once, out of thousand successful projects go wrong, the boss will fucking yell at you and be extremely mad, totally forgetting about the shit you actually managed to do right and even worked overtime to get the project done in the right time.

Surely, they all went mediocre unis, such as myself. But do you think 90% of all engineers take their exam in the top 3 unis? I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.7537460]

>>7537457
However, this big bang theory meme is outrageous though, I am not neglecting engineer's importance in society. I am just saying that they do infact take a lot of shit and their contribution is often underestimated.

[Anonymous No.7537462]

>mfw went to PSU for ME
>#38 in the world
yeah i never come to /sci/ for legitimate advice because they don't know what they're talking about, honestly. this board is a joke.

[Anonymous No.7537463]

>>7537457
actually lots of projects are like 2 year things, so you have plenty of time. its not about rushing to get shit done, its about spending the time to get it done right

[Anonymous No.7537468]

>>7537457
>mediocre unis, such as myself
subpar trash detected. post discarded and hidden

[Anonymous No.7537469]

>>7537302
uh so are you going to explain this revolutionary knowledge about engineering or did you just feel like memeing

[Anonymous No.7537470]

>>7537457
>mediocre uni
>such as myself

[Anonymous No.7537471]

>>7537469
read a book faggot

[Anonymous No.7537476]

>>7537471
>read a book
how about you talk to engineers and spend a few years in an engr curriculum and on some fucking internships you dumb faggot. you dont have a fucking clue

[Anonymous No.7537477]

>>7537302

>Be dumb teenager
>Lecture other people about what engineering is like without having spent a day at uni

:^)

[Anonymous No.7537479]

>>7537470

based

[Anonymous No.7537481]

>>7537463
This.

The thing is many engineers are shit at their job and have poor time management skills. Just like any other field, a lot people are incompetent.

If you are actually good at your job you will likely never crunch for deadlines in your life.

[Anonymous No.7537483]

>>7537471
ok the latter then thanks for letting me know

[Anonymous No.7537485]

>>7537470
>>7537468

loled

[Anonymous No.7537489]

>>7537302
>mfw realization hits 50 pages in

Bitch, this is a troll website. If you couldn't figure that out immediately, there's probably no hope for you.

>tfw there are lots of anons who actually, seriously base significant life decisions on 4chan memes

[Anonymous No.7537494]

>>7537489
>>tfw there are lots of anons who actually, seriously base significant life decisions on 4chan memes
literally all math majors
fucking dumb spergs

[Anonymous No.7537499]

>so many people surprised that people legit look for real advice on /sci/
you mean like 95% of this board

[Anonymous No.7537505]

>>7537463
Well depends what company has hired you I guess.
Competition forces small companies (or at least in the mechatronics/robotics) to promies a fast delivery time of the said product.

Engineers are then supposed to get a project done in 2 months, that is supposed to work flawlessly. They all manage to get the project done on the deadline and deliver the product. They always do, but given the time, complications in a project will arise resulting in a delay in delivering the product and the whole company suffer penalty costs because they did not live up to expected delivery time resulting in the company that should have been given the product has to delay they production further which lead to additional costs.

That is why the project leaders and bosses fucking get outrageous on the group and think that yelling will make them work harder/better.

Like I said, I work in a big company. That can afford fail of delivery penalties and there are enough engineers for every project. Thus, I recommend that you try to get hired by big companies and you will not experience the bullshit when working in small companies.

[Anonymous No.7537509]

/sci/ is full of jealous math majors who religiously refuse to believe engineers do more formal math than ODEs, when confronted with actual curricula proving them wrong they go full cocoon denial mode.

This type of being is born when a sub-par student and questionably functioning autist enrolls for a mathematics degree and then makes the mistake of believing that the material is actually difficult just because he/she is struggling with it and therefore when confronted with even more difficult programmes -which are actually rewarded by society- their brains cannot fully process this very real phenomena.

And thus major politics on /sci/ is born.

[Anonymous No.7537510]

>from engineers with PhDs at top 20 uni's
> interviews of well known engineers

kek

I studied Engineering for a while before transferring, and I was still subscribed to Engineering magazines for a few years so I got to see how they think.

The letters section is the biggest bitchfest ever. It's hilarious. Professional engineers crying that the public doesn't give them credit for the Mars Curiosity Rover.

Engineers genuinely think they're so unappreciated and the entire world revolves around them but we're too blind to see it.

They literally think they do everything scientists do with the same understanding, AND MORE! Cos being an Engineer is just soooooooooo hard.

Shit's hilarious.

Once you get some experience you'll realise some cherry picked top engineer phd says nothing about Engineers as a whole, and most Engineers are and will always be trained monkeys who just look shit up in technical manuals then bitch about how they're so crucial to humanity and totally unappreciated.

[Anonymous No.7537513]

>>7537505
Tech managers are usually senior engineers themselves. I don't know of any company big or small that functions like you are describing, usually the professional opinion of the engineer is asked first before deadlines are set.

[Anonymous No.7537515]

>>7537509
>functioning autist
>functioning
nah, that's why these fat fucks are on /sci/ in the first place. they can't function in the real world, but need somewhere to feed their overinflated egos because their parents never loved them (what with their mental retardation and whatnot)

[Anonymous No.7537519]

>>7537510
>I dropped out of engineering and I'm now jealous that my new major is a mere subset of a more respectable profession.

[Anonymous No.7537523]

>>7537515
True.

[Anonymous No.7537524]

>Engineers genuinely think they have all the understanding and knowledge of scientists cos "muh calc II"

Scientists are at least humble enough to accept that it would take a few years of training of specific knowledge and experience for them to become engineers.

Engineers genuinely think they could be scientists tomorrow because Engineering is superior to and an extension of science. They think they have the same understanding of mathematics or physics as physicists but they also do the harder job of "applying" it.

That's why we laugh at them

[Anonymous No.7537525]

>>7537510
> Engineer is just soooooooooo hard
>Shit's hilarious.
obvious jealous retard detected

[Anonymous No.7537526]

>>7537510
>They literally think they do everything scientists do
they can and do. who the fuck do you think does R&D in both industry and govt research labs? engineers. who do you think designs, operates, and maintains the most important societal infrastructure and technology? engineers. who sits at a desk all day and tries to invent problems for themselves to solve, just so they dont get fired? mathfags

[Anonymous No.7537530]

>>7537524
>That's why we laugh at them
>we
are your imaginary friends "we"?

[Anonymous No.7537533]

>>7537510
>>7537524
daily reminder

[Anonymous No.7537535]

>all of these ass blasted physics/maths majors ITT

wow, what an insecure bunch.

[Anonymous No.7537536]

>>7537519
>>7537525

Transferred to physics.

I asked if I was alone and the physics admissions tutor said "you know it's interesting, I hear of lots of people transferring from Engineering to physics, but I've never heard of anyone going the other way".

Of course you are free to not believe me and just tell yourself I dropped out of superior Engineering masterrace because I'm a jealous hater that couldn't hack looking up shit in reference tables, if it protects your fragile inferiority complex.

[Anonymous No.7537538]

>>7537536
because engineering is harder than phys. people dont transfer up, they transfer down. fucking retard

[Anonymous No.7537540]

daily reminder that R&D engineers are literally scientists who actually do work

>>7537536
lmao obviously it's because engineering is harder dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.7537542]

>>7537524
There isn't a single bachelor entry level junior scientist job posting on the planet that requires only science degree and doesn't accept engineering, but not vice versa. At an undergrad level the degree is simply orders more respected by society. So einfach ist die.

You are once again comparing PhD holders in Physics and Math to undergrad engineers. As always.

[Anonymous No.7537543]

>>7537536
>le reference tables
oh, so you took thermo 1. you probably spent two years in engr (the easy years) couldnt take it and dropped it like a bitch. gtfo like you were ever actually doing engineering

[Anonymous No.7537546]

>>7537538
>>7537540
>because engineering is harder than phys

Engineers, everybody.

[Anonymous No.7537548]

It is like people who go to actuarial mathematics. People do not hate the subject, they hate the type of people who study it. And not All of them, just the mayority who wants to become rich and fuck bitches.

[Anonymous No.7537550]

>>7537536
>transferred to physics
>bitching ITT about how engineers superiority complex etc etc
people resent people that are smarter and harder working than they are. more at 8

[Anonymous No.7537551]

>>7537536
>I hear of lots of people transferring from Engineering to physics, but I've never heard of anyone going the other way".
Obviously not, because they are 90% dropouts that don't want to admit they're failures.

I'm not even joking, some are legitimately more interested in the pure sciences, but the overwhelming majority are cases of students with poor academic skills.

[Anonymous No.7537553]

>>7537546
NEETs everyone

go to uni and take a shot at anything really, instead of sitting on your fat ass talking shit about accomplished people

[Anonymous No.7537555]

>>7537536
so you're a pussy that didn't make it? wow never would have guessed i'm shocked.

[Anonymous No.7537559]

>>7537463
>>7537513
What field of engineering is involved has theese 2 year projects? I reckon they are very big projects because I have never had a project lasting for a year. Maximum 6 months

[Anonymous No.7537560]

>>7537546
how mad could you possibly be?

[Anonymous No.7537561]

Just consider that most physics and math undergrad do not make meme videos about how hard is their subject because they actually like the subject.

[Anonymous No.7537562]

>>7537302

>What is engineering then?

I thought it's a profession that uses scientific principles and math tools to design, build, maintain, troubleshoot and fix products, machines, buildings...etc. So an applied science and an art.

Similar to an MD/ physician which is a profession that uses scientific principles and biological/chemical tools to prevent, diagnose and cure diseases, and maintain, troubleshoot and fix kidneys, heart, endocrine glands...etc

In both you have the responsibility that your decisions can kill people if you fuck shit up and they both get paid pretty well

[Anonymous No.7537566]

>>7537561
nah, it's because math and phys aren't very difficult subjects

[Anonymous No.7537571]

>>7537555
>>7537553
>>7537551
>>7537550
>>7537543
>>7537542
>>7537540
>>7537538
>>7537560

>All these Engineers with such a chip on their shoulder they all tell themselves I failed and couldn't hack it

Is it so terrifying that someone would not like Engineering? I transferred because I wanted more blue-skies research prospects and didn't like being pigeonholed into a cookie cutter business like environment.

I've now graduated and am a programmer so I didn't end up being a physicist anyway but I'm glad I took the chance.

Keep telling yourself I'm just bitter though, your tears are delicious to me.

You're probably insecure that I thought the same thoughts as you but was man enough to take action.

"Oh look, someone else who was surprised by how constricting and coorporate Eng was and didn't want to be another trained monkey, but he actually had the balls to transfer to something more academic. NOT POSSIBLE. HE MUST HAVE FLUNKED AND IS MAD"

[Anonymous No.7537572]

>>7537561
yeah no i'm a 3rd year EE and my phys and maths classes were my easiest classes by far.

[Anonymous No.7537573]

>>7537562
literally the doctors of technology. spergs everywhere should love us, we give you electricity, computers, refrigerators, cars (like you fat autists leave the house), pacemakers, cancer treatments, homeland security, etc, but you spergs dont care because you think math is more abstract? fucking lel autism is one hell of a disorder

[Anonymous No.7537576]

>>7537566
I as an engineer disagree, I transferred from physics to Engineering because I actually wanted a life (not a prodigy child).
Why the fuck are we even comparing engineering and physic? Doesn't the level of difficulty vary from uni to uni and country to country?

[Anonymous No.7537579]

>>7537571
>I've now graduated and am a programmer
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
holy shit
>fail out of engineering
>fall back into phys
>cant even crack it as a physicist
>become programmer
holy fuck, the saddest life of anyone on /sci/ tbh

[Anonymous No.7537582]

>>7537571
> am a programmer so I didn't end up being a physicist

lmao he quit engineering, didn't even go for grad in physics, and works as a code monkey.

hidden.

[Anonymous No.7537584]

>>7537576
>Why the fuck are we even comparing engineering and physic?
because theyre very similar, but engineering takes physics to the next step

[Anonymous No.7537585]

>>7537571
screencapped

this could be pasta tbh

great stuff

[Anonymous No.7537587]

>>7537571
wow you really are a sad excuse

[Anonymous No.7537588]

>>7537566
I have to say that math is not that hard to "pass" per se but really difficult to understand and use. While physics is "easy" to understand and apply but difficult to pass. And this is a gross generalization. Im just saying that engineering has a higher population of dudebros and generally people who dont appreciate their subject.

[Anonymous No.7537589]

>>7537533
>mfw all these sorry math/phys fags wont even attempt to solve a few engineering problems
Nice digits btw m8

[Anonymous No.7537590]

>>7537571
>not like Engineering
bitch-speak for
>it was too hard for me and i quit

[Anonymous No.7537591]

>>7537571
>Is it so terrifying that someone would not like Engineering?
How would you know if you liked engineering or not? You've literally never taken a single course in engineering. Intro 1-2 year courses are not engineering. You don't start to get into it until AFTER you've mastered the fundamental science and starting doing control engineering and dynamics where you really get into manipulating reality.
>I transferred because I wanted more blue-skies research prospects and didn't like being pigeonholed into a cookie cutter business like environment.
Engineering is literally the most versatile degree you can get. Stop pretending you know anything about it.
>I've now graduated and am a programmer so I didn't end up being a physicist anyway but I'm glad I took the chance.
Could've warned you. Engineers get to do STEM, physics majors are just a background to engineering you end up in IT or technologist jobs at best if you don't get your PhD.
>Keep telling yourself I'm just bitter though, your tears are delicious to me.
You are obviously a very bitter code monkey who almost certainly did in fact drop out.
>You're probably insecure that I thought the same thoughts as you but was man enough to take action.
You don't think like engineers at all.
>"Oh look, someone else who was surprised by how constricting and coorporate Eng was and didn't want to be another trained monkey, but he actually had the balls to transfer to something more academic. NOT POSSIBLE. HE MUST HAVE FLUNKED AND IS MAD"
You obviously didn't have the imagination or creativity to be an engineer if you couldn't imagine everything you could do with that education.

[Anonymous No.7537592]

>>7537588
*during the first two years
ftfy
why do you think engr has like the highest dropout rate?

[Anonymous No.7537594]

>>7537572
I hope you be trolling. If I took a circuit design course for my physics curriculum, suddenly engineering is le easy?

[Anonymous No.7537596]

>>7537579
This, but it's literally how over half of physics graduates end up according to AIP. Doing fucking IT.

That's not including the people who teach high-school etc. Physics is a degree for kids, not professionals.

[Anonymous No.7537597]

>>7537591
kek don't even bother putting that much effort into that loser, anon. he clearly hasn't put in much effort into anything his entire life.

[Anonymous No.7537599]

>>7537594
This entire thread is trolling.

You have to be a complete fucking retard to anything being said here seriously.

[Anonymous No.7537602]

>>7537599
nice damage control

[Anonymous No.7537603]

>>7537599
i'm serious, in that I want these shit-talking NEETs to try even a single problem before trying to shit on an entire group of majors

>>7537533

[Anonymous No.7537604]

>>7537599
stay mad physics major

[Anonymous No.7537606]

>>7537594
They literally think they do all the science and math of the pure sciences, and then they add their engineering work on top of that.

They don't seem to comprehend that we might, y'know, go a little deeper into things and focus more on abstracts over rote memorisation.

Engineering is to science as medicine is to biology. Complete with superiority complex and delusions.

[Anonymous No.7537611]

>>7537606
lel ask me something about science m8
what do you think you know more about than me?

[Anonymous No.7537612]

>>7537606
having fun going "deep" into physics with that code monkey job, sport?

[Anonymous No.7537613]

>>7537603
>in that I want these shit-talking NEETs to try even a single problem

What would that achieve?

Want me to give you a particle physics problem or a differential geometry problem from one of my physics textbooks? It would achieve literally nothing.

You're just embarrassing yourselves and revealing your status as insecure undergrads.

[Anonymous No.7537614]

>>7537592
>>7537612
Nice shitposting m8

[Anonymous No.7537615]

>>7537613
>It would achieve literally nothing.
like most physics grads

[Anonymous No.7537617]

>>7537613
>le shitty undergrad meme
so you're still comparing PhD students to undergrads? you're stupider than you think m8
>>7537615
GOT EEEEMM!!!

[Anonymous No.7537618]

>>7537614

[Anonymous No.7537621]

>>7537606
Not all, we think we do an equivalent of the >undergrad< baby intro science and math and add our engineering work on top. Which we do.

The bottom 70% of science and math grads are pathetic and don't put too much effort into their degrees because of how much freedom their electives allow. The only respectable ones are at top schools taking the postgrad courses.

>go a little deeper into things and focus more on abstracts over rote memorisation.
Knock it off with this meme. We take the same intro math from the math department with the same lecturers, textbooks and rigour as math majors. There is far more rote memorization testing involved in undergrad math and science than in engineering which have more open ended problems in undergrad.

[Anonymous No.7537622]

>>7537615

>The only way to be successful with a physics degree is by becoming a physicist
>the only way to be successful with an English literature degree is by becoming an English Literature.

Must be hard for someone whose degree is a glorified apprenticeship to understand.

[Anonymous No.7537624]

>>7537622
>English lit
I love the comparison with an equally worthless and easy to obtain degree. You're doing it to yourself now, making it too easy.

[Anonymous No.7537625]

>>7537606
kekerino our classes are literally the exact same as the maths and physics majors with extra engineering projects added for rigor(physics 212 is physics 212e for engineers etc etc). this is at PSU, highly rated in engineering, btw. feel free to stay mad. our high drop rates are for a reason.

[Anonymous No.7537628]

>>7537621

>we think we do an equivalent of the >undergrad< baby intro science and math

Absolutely not true in Europe.

Are you telling me American physics students sit the same class as Mech Engineers? What do they do with the rest of their time?

[Anonymous No.7537629]

>>7537622
>WE GO WAYYY DEEPER THAN U ENGINEERING GUYS
>...but we won't ever use it because won't go into physics after graduating shhhh
lmao

[Anonymous No.7537632]

>>7537629
We get something called research experience

[Anonymous No.7537633]

>>7537628
>Are you telling me American physics students sit the same class as Mech Engineers?
phys and math courses, yes. until year 3. maybe you uroshits have trash engineers, but in America we shit all over phys majors, because we do the same shit and more, and better

[Anonymous No.7537635]

>>7537632
>undergrad engineers dont do research
lel like my entire dept was doing undergrad research by junior year

[Anonymous No.7537636]

>American college
>Liberal arts electives
>mathematics undergrads sit in the same babby classes as engineers and physical sciences

Hahahaha no wonder all the engies are butthurt here.

What the fuck America.

[Anonymous No.7537637]

>>7537621
>We take the same intro math from the math department with the same lecturers, textbooks and rigour as math majors

Engineers literally believe this, lol. Delusion.

[Anonymous No.7537638]

>>7537632
we get something called paid internships, coops, research, and jobs.

>>7537633
euro engineers are trash. unis are terribly rated. they're not nearly as impressive to employers as USA engineers.

[Anonymous No.7537641]

>>7537636
that's the thing you idiot, engineers dont take babby classes

[Anonymous No.7537642]

>>7537636
>all the engies are butthurt here.
nice damage control physics major

[Anonymous No.7537645]

>>7537636
>all the engies are butthurt
lel this thread is literally math/phys spergs trying to bash engineering because of their inferiority complex

[Anonymous No.7537646]

>>7537637
any top uni has harder engineering versions of the classes, as said here >>7537625

[Anonymous No.7537648]

ITT physics/maths majors get BTFO to a level that i've yet to see until today

[Anonymous No.7537649]

>>7537628
At my university we're not allowed to register for a Chemistry bachelor degree because we would require no additional credits to obtain the full requirements needed.

[Anonymous No.7537652]

Engineering has its own merit but part of me finds the idea of calculating shit to be monotonous and dreadful. For example the EE sequence has a circuits class that lasts a year and focuses on basic circuits with RLC components. A whole year is spent on it, calculating RLC times, phases etc. After two quarters I'm not sure I would care about the subject any longer....

[Anonymous No.7537653]

>>7537606
>mfw i get a math minor and phys minor just by completing my engr degree
m8..

[Anonymous No.7537655]

>>7537632
Actually no you don't.

Physics students are always extremely surprised to learn that engineers are required to do a research project in their final year that is publishable in international journals. And in fact most do publish which gives them a major advantage over normies in physics with respect to get into the pure gradschools.

[Anonymous No.7537656]

>>7537646

This is factually wrong. Engineers apparently can't deal with the fact that they are in a glorified technical degree. It's simply doesn't attain the level of theoretical understanding needed in math or to a lesser degree, physics.

[Anonymous No.7537657]

All this thread has taught me is that either

1) American college is woefully inadequate at teaching pure sciences and mathematics

2) American college is woefully inadequate at tailoring education to engineers and just makes them do all the work of pure sciences then piles engineering specific stuff on top

3) Engineers in this thread are lying and not mentioning the other stuff that pure sciences / math majors do that they don't.

So which is it?

[Anonymous No.7537658]

>>7537637
What do you mean I believe it? It's simply true we are in the same classes.

Maybe if you weren't autistic you could try talking to your professors and actually know what's going on in campus.

It's funny because there was actually a math major in my freshman class that didn't realize half the people where engineering majors until the professors made a joke about applications.

You people are so caught up in your quiet delusions I swear, you're like the quite high-school geek with above average grades who thinks he's more intelligent than socialites with even better grades.

[Anonymous No.7537659]

>>7537657
You're retarded.

>>7537656
>>7537656
i know i'm literally taking such classes so what you're saying doesn't matter and is a lie. feel free to stay mad. pretty typical at any good uni.

[Anonymous No.7537660]

>>7537652
Again. That is not engineering. Those classes aren't even about knowledge, they're to practice your logic and problem solving skills so you don't get BTFOed when you start doing real world open problems.

[Anonymous No.7537663]

>>7537657
>>7537657
>2) American college is woefully inadequate at tailoring education to engineers and just makes them do all the work of pure sciences then piles engineering specific stuff on top
that's not a bad thing. engineers need a solid basis in scientific disciplines, as well as math, and then apply what they learn in higher level engr coursework while simultaneously learning about systems design and nonlinear systems

[Anonymous No.7537666]

>>7537655
I have to agree it is not required, as to what research experience actually means but you are in the shit for postgrad if you have non. Maybe he meant lab experience and understanding what constitutes for actual research that you have to admit is different form the research done at big Corp. It is not that one is better, but engeering research has a different objective such as problem solving and optimization which are not science per se. I mean I dont think that becasue I learned physics I can do all things engineers do, so I should expect the same from them.

[Anonymous No.7537667]

>>7537658

Yea, engineers really populate real analysis and measure theory courses right? It's not that they have an entire sequence called "Mathematics for engineering" which is dumbed down version of all the math classes and even their Sequences and Series section of calculus is compressed and mixed with matrix algebra.

>>7537660

From what I have seen the "real engineering" courses aren't fundamentally different and largely consist of calculating shit - mostly solving a large sets of simultaneous equations.

Engineering as a discipline is building useful things from accepted truths, not understanding why things work and this is why engineering will always have a weak theoretical basis.

[Anonymous No.7537668]

>>7537657
I'm not American or European.

It works like this in my country.

Math and Physics -which are only three year degrees- have virtually the same courses as engineers for the first 2 years with the exception of real analysis and QM respectively. All the while engineering is doing their own courses on top of this and some applied math like PDEs and numerical analysis which math majors don't start until third year.

Third year they (math and physics) have mostly electives. So the thing is most people getting math and physics degrees are either women just looking for a husband or men who want to teachers and/or don't know what to do with their lives etc. So they take garbage easy mode electives instead of proper difficult classes from grad-school electives.

That's why the degrees aren't respected. Because they are so easy to get. Someone who is actually good at physics/math and has published in the field is respected. Those who are brilliant at physics/math (award winners/good faculty members etc.) are respected as much as and more than engineers.

That faggot ITT who did an easy degree and is now working IT is utter retard and delusional cuck for thinking he has done anything even slightly comparable in difficulty or respectabilitu to engineering.

[Anonymous No.7537670]

>>7537667
Engineering is understanding why things work for an application in mind. Physics is understanding why things work for the sake of it. That is the only difference and any physics faggot that says something otherwise to safe face for their shitty degree is full of it.

[Anonymous No.7537672]

>>7537670
/thread
//sci/
/4chan

[Anonymous No.7537674]

>>7537670
Have you never seen the engineering flowchart? You guys call physicists when you need anything lol.

[Anonymous No.7537676]

>>7537670
>Engineering is understanding why things work for an application in mind.

Wrong, engineering is not about understanding at all. It's about using a model someone else has made to build things under certain constraints.

Engineers don't learn complicated theory which is fine because they won't be using it.

[Anonymous No.7537680]

>>7537674
>>7537676
Yeah, you're going to tell me when I'm a PE with a degree in electrical engineering from Stanford and have been working for seven years now. I have reason to believe that you don't know what you're even talking on about.

[Anonymous No.7537682]

>>7537666
Except it's not different. You think it is because you have this image of engineering pigeon holed as something completely separate from your own field when it's a Venn diagram, the extent of which depends on individual students and their own determination, but many students do more pure research in their final year (though some do utter garbage shit mostly involving some bullshit easy project optimizing alcohol distilleries etc.).

In my graduation year our department got publications ACS Nano and Nano Letters, as well as many different chemistry journals, a physics journals, and the year before me a guy published in an AIM journal.

[Anonymous No.7537685]

>>7537676

But dude we do like stress/strain simulations on Windows we like totally do theory man.

That's equivalent to like Algebraic topology right there.

[Anonymous No.7537688]

>>7537674
That's not even slightly true. You should get out of your department more you'll quickly realize it's the other way around and the pure people are usually running towards the engineering departments for help. Mostly because they are poor at modelling and simulation.

[Anonymous No.7537689]

>>7537685
Grow up.

[Anonymous No.7537690]

>>7537302
What books?

[Anonymous No.7537693]

>>7537685

You're absolutely right fellow engineer, I am really good at running FEA in autocad, I have at least as good of an understanding of numerical analysis as these stupid mathematicians who focus on it. One of these stupid cucks actually asked me to PROVE my solution, it's not like it working isn't proof enough.

[Anonymous No.7537695]

>>7537693
Still in here talking to yourselves in your delusion echo chamber are we?

[Anonymous No.7537696]

>>7537676
>Engineers don't learn complicated theory which is fine because they won't be using it.

[Anonymous No.7537707]

>>7537693
It's actually kind of funny that you honestly believe you know more about numerical analysis than an engineer just because you took one proof based undergrad class that an engineer also took.

Engineers who are regularly working with simulations of complicated systems will know orders more than your average mathematician who took one undergrad class and then went into another field. They have to be up to date with the latest numerical research because most real systems they work are too complicated to solve with off the shelf solvers so they often have to program their own solutions. In fact if you actually knew anything about the field and read any papers you'd see how many authors are affiliated with engineering departments.

[Anonymous No.7537713]

>>7537707

>Engineers
>Proofs.

Your post.

[Anonymous No.7537721]

>>7537713
stay upset

[Anonymous No.7537987]

>mfw this entire thread
Literally why I quit academia. I can't take this elitism dick-waving bullshit. I guess this is what happens when you have a bunch of people desperately trying to compensate fro their poor social skills.

[Anonymous No.7538092]

>>7537302
>from engineers with PhDs at top 20 uni's
they better have real work experience and not the kind that's "consulting" from their school office and using grad students as free muscle.

[Anonymous No.7538377]

>>7537987
Elitism dick-waving is the main reason I stayed in academic.

Your life must be pretty boring.

[Anonymous No.7538492]

>>7537987
>not slapping your cock in every plebs face

[Anonymous No.7538495]

>>7538092
There were more than PhDs. Many bachelors and masters degrees. There were 100 interviews in total and I skimmed all of them. They were sure to make it as varied as possible. The BOOK was by PhDs.

[Anonymous No.7538497]

>shits on sci for knowing jack about engineering
>proceeds shitting on math/physics without knowing jack about them
And so the stream of shit continues. Thanks faggot.

[Anonymous No.7538499]

>>7538497

>>7538495 was my only post after OP. I just woke up.

[Anonymous No.7540080]

>>7537322
> /sci/ is one person

[Anonymous No.7540117]

>>7537302

>Buying books

>Fucking up this early.

SON

[Anonymous No.7541548]

>>7537302
>being THIS invested in 4chan
>taking THIS much advice into your LIFE and going that far with it
>making a thread acting like a tool about how much you have learned on an anonymous Finnish chicken trading carnival

How do people get to that point in life?

[Anonymous No.7541818]

>>7537462
You guys just drink and touch children
I've been to psu, nothing impressive