The Engineering Bubble

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The Engineering Bubble Anonymous Mon Aug 31 01:03:25 2015 No.7501305 [Reply] [Original]

Are there too many people going into engineering /sci/? With the field getting so much hype and superiority it seems like more people are going into it. I know at my school chemical specifically went from a 40 person graduating class to 130 in just 3 years.

>the difficulty is our job security
It seems like even with the difficulty, more people are getting through

>we will always need technical problem solvers
But do we need this many?

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 01:18:54 2015 No.7501336

>>7501305

Fresh out of highschool, going first year uni now. I can say from experience that a fast majority of students applied to go into engineering. It was pretty much shoved down their throats honestly; at least that's what it's like up in Canada. Everyone think's it's a quick get rich scheme with 'muh oil money', 'muh 100+k/yr' attitudes; it's really depressing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 01:24:01 2015 No.7501352 >>7501336 Ayyy Canadabro I'm studying health sciences at McMaster, my roommate is an engineer though

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 01:27:53 2015 No.7501361 >>7501352 Almost all my friends are going in for some form of engineering. I'm going for Math and CS, not sure which to focus yet; it's still early. Over on the East here, going into MUN; it's cheap, pretty decent.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 01:34:38 2015 No.7501375

>tfw I just want to be an engineer because I like it and I don't give a shit about muh 300k starting big oil job
>mfw people ask me if I'm studying chemical engineering because it's the highest paying field of engineering.
I just got done with my first internship and I honestly loved it and I think I pretty much nailed it. Am I gonna make it? Are we all gonna make it? Or will the economy collapse again and will there be no jobs left a couple of years from now after all the shitheads take the few that are left?

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 01:42:02 2015 No.7501395

>>7501361
Oh nice, engineering is really popular here in Toronto too, but I knew quite a few people going to study business and most if the girls I knew were going into life science or nursing. I'm studying health sciences at McMaster because this program is pretty much a golden ticket to med school and it's so hard to get in. It's a 5% acceptance rate. I never applied to engineering but I wanted to. I also wated to study pure math earlier in the year but I realized im not fields medal or Putnam fellow material

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 01:51:17 2015 No.7501406 >>7501395 Don't have to be a 'fields medalist' to study the pure maths. Just takes hard work. Everything just takes hard work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr8sVailoLw

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 02:12:43 2015 No.7501447

>>7501406
Oh well, studying math is too risky because unless I got into a top grad school I wouldn't be able to make it into academia and working in software doesn't interest me as much medicine. Also medicine probably makes it easier to have an academic career if I work in a hospital located on a university campus or any other research intensive hospital. Health/physiogy related research is also more likely to get funding

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 02:13:44 2015 No.7501448 >>7501447 Sorry I can't spell I'm tired

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 02:21:25 2015 No.7501461 A lot of people get in but 90%+ of people drop out of engineering anyway. So a lot of people know people "who were studying engineering" but not real engineers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 02:22:42 2015 No.7501465 >>7501461 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 02:47:24 2015 No.7501510 The worst case scenario: The Bubble will pop and Engineers will move to other fields to apply an engineering mindset.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 02:54:15 2015 No.7501520 >>7501510 What other fields are there

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 02:55:50 2015 No.7501524

Im at CC and most of the people in the STEM building are doing computer science. The engineers though, majority are civil. At least the people ive talked to. im doing mechanical and my friend is doing electrical. We'll see how it goes.

A lot of people swktch majoes once they start taking calculus and stuff. Shit hits the fan in calculus 2 apparently. I know a couple of people that switched to business after finishing calc. 1.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:08:27 2015 No.7501536

At least you engineers have something practical that can be seen as useful to a variety of employers. My B.S. is in Physics, not because I wanted to become an academic (college and I don't get along) but simply because I enjoyed the subject. In the job market, I'm fucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:13:15 2015 No.7501539 >>7501536 Apply to med school

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:16:43 2015 No.7501541 >>7501536 Get a masters in a topic that is interesting and not stupid.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:19:45 2015 No.7501545

>>7501539
>>7501541

I've been out of college for a few years and I don't think I could transition to something that quickly. I have thought about getting a masters in engineering, but from what I've been reading, I should have been taking those classes while in college.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:19:51 2015 No.7501546 >>7501336 Same last year, our engineering class was the largest it had ever been. This year the incoming freshman class is second largest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:22:37 2015 No.7501548 File: 115 KB, 548x662, 1431758489384.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Most people go into ME or Civil. Source: Transfer orientation had 3-4 EE majors lumped in with a 9ish CS majors in a room with 20 ME majors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:23:24 2015 No.7501550 >>7501545 Just get another BSc, there's no rule that you're only allowed one. It'll probably be way easier than physics, conceptually, but maybe harder workload wise. Or try to get some coding experience and work in software. What was your GPA?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:27:04 2015 No.7501556 >>7501550 3.6, but I could have tried harder with certain classes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:35:09 2015 No.7501560 >>7501336 Well that's how bubbles work. Something is lucrative, more and more people do it as a result but eventually so many people are doing it that it's value crashes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:39:23 2015 No.7501571 >>7501336 But oil just crashed? Why would people want to go into it for oil money?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 03:59:16 2015 No.7501599 Does anyone else get really bitter when someone you know succeeds at something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 04:00:58 2015 No.7501602 >>7501599 Basically all of /sci/

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 04:08:50 2015 No.7501616 >>7501599 I get bitter when either someone I don't know or someone I know succeed at something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 04:35:22 2015 No.7501640 >>7501599 No, I want everyone to succeed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 05:21:09 2015 No.7501680 >>7501599 nah, I use it as motivation to stop being a fuccboi and start working. i only get bitter when i see somone as competition. I ought to d better than them so they can go fuck themselves :\

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 05:32:02 2015 No.7501689 The Canadian Professional Engineering organizations (APEGA, APEGBC, etc) are all predicting a deficit of engineers going into the next two decades. A fuck tonne of engineers with a fuck tonne of experience are all retiring right now.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 05:42:53 2015 No.7501698

>>7501305
The field is already oversaturated as fuck.

>more people are getting through
Because universities are lowering their standards. More retards whine about being challenged and then parents manage keep meeting with the dean until they make the course a feminist approved comfy zone. The lobbyists who are trying to get cheap engineers and turn it into the next chemistry have also been successful in getting the government to force unis to lower their standards so they can graduate more engineers.

Engineering is dead, the last reasonable STEM profession is gone, it's depressing, but you have to be fucking retarded to do STEM now, medicine is the only viable field left. Other than that skip uni and learn a trade.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 05:46:50 2015 No.7501700

>>7501375
I'm a chemical engineer with some experience here to offer you some perspective.
>I just got done with my first internship and I honestly loved it and I think I pretty much nailed it.
Trust me when I say this translates to "I worked my ass off for pennies to impress people who won't remember my name in a year and regardless of how good you were will hire more cheap interns instead of employing you full time".
>Am I gonna make it? Are we all gonna make it?
No. Unless you have god-tier connections to VCs for a startup you're fucked because our salary is going be half what it is no in the coming years.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 05:49:52 2015 No.7501703

>>7501689
It's bullshit, it's all the industry lobby propaganda who can't handle fair play prices to pay their engineers, so they are trying to get shittons of low quality, cheap engineers in the market.

Everyone who is connected with any professional engineering society knows there are a shitton of unemployed senior engineers right now, because when they apply for jobs they are offered the same unlivable salaries they give the hordes of cheap entry level engineers and intern memes.

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 05:58:32 2015 No.7501707

>>7501545
Don't know what country you're living in, but you can't actually apply for a masters in engineering with a Physics degree here. You get a MSc in "engineering" instead of a MEng, the MSc is worthless.

If you really hate academia so much you should look into getting into IT or similar, if you want to do a lucrative gradschool degree do medicine or law, or if you really want to stay technical do a BEng, just don't waste time on a MSc engineering it's a meme that the engineering professors abuse to get you to give them more publications, but it doesn't help you personally get employed, colossal waste of 2-4 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 06:00:19 2015 No.7501709 Here in italy many jobs that were once for technicians came out from high school are now taken by engineers. I guess that maybe this engineer bubble is due to this fact, you have to get specialized even for "simple" jobs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 07:14:35 2015 No.7501782 >>7501520 the gay porn industry of course

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 07:40:48 2015 No.7501798 >>7501698 >the next chemistry Explain?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 07:47:02 2015 No.7501800 >>7501698 Why isn't medicine reasonable?

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 07:47:36 2015 No.7501801

>>7501798
Chemistry is arguably the most underpaid profession on the planet.

You'd be extremely lucky to see over 50k in your mid-career.

They are treated this way because for every chemistry position available there are 100s if not 1000s of candidates. So you either work for lower pay than your boss's secretary, or you remain unemployed.

Engineering is headed in that direction. In about 20 years 40k will be the mean salary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 07:48:45 2015 No.7501804 >>7501800 I said it's viable, learn to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 07:49:57 2015 No.7501806 >>7501804 You said engineering was the last viable STEM proffesion

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:00:36 2015 No.7501816 >>7501806 Last reasonable*

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:09:55 2015 No.7501825

>>7501806
>>7501816
LEARN TO READ FUCKING RETARD I SAID STEM WAS DEAD

>Engineering is dead, the last reasonable STEM profession is gone, it's depressing, but you have to be fucking retarded to do STEM now,

>medicine is the only viable field left

WHY ARE YOU EVEN POSTING ON AN ENGLISH BOARD FOR MANDARIN TAPESTRIES IF YOU CAN'T FUCKING READ ENGLISH.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:11:31 2015 No.7501829 >>7501825 Why was engineering the last reasonable one If medicine is viable why isn't it reasonable

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:13:49 2015 No.7501831 >>7501305 god damn do we need more science peoples to mass produce more shit. start with some desalinization plants. i got more ideas where that came from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:15:46 2015 No.7501833 >>7501829 http://www.ice.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Document/2014/stem-list.pdf Medicine is not a STEM field. Why would you think it's STEM?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:22:35 2015 No.7501842 >>7501833 Those are all undergrad degrees that's why medicine isn't listed

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:28:33 2015 No.7501849

>>7501842
No, medicine is not and never has been STEM -which has a precise technical definition-. For example you can't get a H1B visa with medicine, only STEM, medicine is actually properly protected from foreign influx which is one of the reasons it's still viable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:54:38 2015 No.7501869 >>7501336 Out of highschool isn't really relevant. So many people drop or get weeded out. It's about the people that make it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 08:58:56 2015 No.7501872 >>7501375 >am I going to make it Probably, internship plus pretty good grades is the stuff offers are made of. Don't listen to idiots on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 09:01:14 2015 No.7501875 >>7501461 >not reading the OP More are getting through

Anonymous Mon Aug 31 09:34:15 2015 No.7501912

>>7501305
I'm still a student but things seem disconcerting here in Australia. I've read a lot of people on forums talking about being unable to graduate as they can't find the necessary internships, 1000's of applications for every vac work that opens up, general competitiveness and oversaturation.
Annnnd the difficulty isn't even a limiting factor as any random lad can study engineering at Swinburne or RMIT, get an incredibly easy "muh hands on" degree (I'm so sick of this hands on buzzword, how many fucking engineers do you see holding jackhammers by the side of the road, how many do you see sitting at a computer) without understanding any theory (anddddd you'll hear good uni's are "too theoretical", which is dumb, but hey, you don't really need to know it I guess) and reap the benefits of the schools' supplied "here's a 12 month internship" benefits, since universities are apparently the equivalent of doing an apprenticeship with a mate of your dads, I guess. I'm considering jumping ship into programming, finance or medicine, but maybe that's not necessary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 09:40:00 2015 No.7501920 >>7501689 That means senior engineers who've spent a year or two out of work are in luck, not new grads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 31 11:45:21 2015 No.7502102 >>7501849 >medicine is actually properly protected from foreign influx which is one of the reasons it's still viable. That's a pretty good point actually. Fucking medfags know how to unionise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 05:09:58 2015 No.7503471 >>7501336 I think their wages will drop, making engine Erin projects cheaper and allows for more buildings, etc to be built.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 06:20:33 2015 No.7503567 >>7501912 >how many do you see sitting at a computer 'bout 100%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 06:42:07 2015 No.7503597 >>7501912 Except the graduate employment rates aren't any better at more theory-based unis.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 06:58:08 2015 No.7503617

>>7501461
I dropped out in the last year, mainly because I have aspergers and no work ethic.

I don't mean to sound like a complete egotistical retard, but if I can't do it, I question who really can. You need to be sociable enough to not be an autistic loner, you need to work all day, and you need to be intelligent enough to actually understand anything you're doing.

That's not a lot of people.

I think a lot of the time people lack the intelligence part, whereas I lacked the resources to actually learn anything at all, because I didn't ask for help.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 07:08:41 2015 No.7503629 >>7501801 Chemistry major here, welcome to hell engineering faggots

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 07:12:58 2015 No.7503637 >>7501305 >engineering >superiority Lol you guys are basically technician tier now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 07:19:31 2015 No.7503649 >>7503617 I know some dumb people who got through engineering. Doubt they're doing much with it but it happens a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 15:08:23 2015 No.7504364 >>7503629 >chemistry Welcome to unemployment hell post graduation

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 15:25:45 2015 No.7504396

>>7503617
>>7503649
Yeah that's the thing though, even if you get your degree at some easier university with lower standards that doesn't mean you'll be an engineer because employers want someone who is both technically intelligent and VERY good at communication.

In the real world problems aren't solved like your textbook problems where you have all day to go at it alone and find an easy solution, there are anywhere from 2 or 3 to thousands of people working on the same problem.

Not that there aren't spots for autists, but those happen to be the technicinas/technologists/IT type jobs, not professional engineering.

Being both good on the technical side and the social side is a very rare thing. Most engineers I know are the opposite of the Geek stereotype. They're the type of person that would randomly start conversations with strangers in public and actually be good at the small talk. They're good at public speaking when they need to etc.

And of course you need to conform to the almighty networking meme to get a job in the first place.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 15:28:01 2015 No.7504402

>>7503629
Yeah man, that's why I'm trying to start my own company. I'm so sick of these profit whores treating people like shit. I'll will hire as many chemists as a I can with an actual fair wage if I ever get big enough to have a lab with more than basic QA shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 16:47:41 2015 No.7504588 >>7501548 Where do you get that from? I haven't met a single person that wants to go into civil, most not even knowing what the fuck it is

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:10:28 2015 No.7504637 If youre a good engineer there is no trouble finding work and making good money. The unemployed engineers are morons who didnt belong in STEM, I hope they starve and maybe idiots would quit flooding engineering classrooms and giving us a bad name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 17:15:01 2015 No.7504651 >>7504396 The geek stereotype is, shockingly, a stereotype. Not just in engineering, most math PHDs arent autistic geniuses, most computer scientists are nothing like the trash in /g/, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:23:40 2015 No.7504814 >>7504402 I've had the same thought a hundred times Fuck this, why did I even bother. Employers don't care about your undergrad research either it's disgusting

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 18:29:37 2015 No.7504826 >>7504402 >wants to start his own company >thinks profit is unimportant Good luck getting investors.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:08:23 2015 No.7504887

>>7501305
Just because more people are flooding into STEM programs doesn't mean more people are finishing them.

My physics class first year was just over 50 students, only 16 of us completed the program.

The incoming class my senior year was almost 80 students. A friend I made in that class was one of 18 students to graduate.

The only thing going up faster than class sizes in STEM is the attrition rates.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:30:47 2015 No.7504930

>>7504396
You've summed it up pretty well. Being an autist, it didn't occur to me that you actually have to be sociable in order to graduate your degree. It's one of those unwritten rules that is apparently obvious to everyone else, but not to me. At high school the teacher just fed you information constantly, but lecturers don't give a fuck about you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:47:00 2015 No.7504953 File: 30 KB, 512x512, 1422042804454.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw happily employed civil engineer

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 19:58:36 2015 No.7504981 >>7504953 biology tier

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:12:35 2015 No.7505010
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>>7501801
I was under the impression that the chemistry job market got worse the more related your subfield was to medicine. I know synthetic organic chemistry and biochemistry have a massive degree glut right now, but I'd heard that physical/analytical chemistry is still breddy gud, especially if you specialize in NMR/something instrument related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:24:01 2015 No.7505024 >>7505010 stay mad you greedy POS

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:29:17 2015 No.7505028 >you will never be an engineer for an automobile manufacturer that gets to help shit go fast for a living why even live?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:29:51 2015 No.7505030 >>7501305 not even worried. engineering isn't engineering school. it actually takes talent. at my school, i can't even count the amount of guys who think an engineering degree is a career coupon. they all end up as cost analysts making 55k$ a year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:32:08 2015 No.7505034 >>7501461 >tfw junior year >"hey is ______ coming back" >"lol, no he failed thermo and statics"

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:38:11 2015 No.7505044

>>7503617
this. Engineering school is a giant fucking hazing period

are you a lazy test babby who never does assignments or shows up to class, but passes anyways?

well fuck you because you run into "bulk work" classes that are just grindy as fuck with assignments that make up 50% of the grade.

or are you just getting by on muh elbow grease? haha, you're gonna get that dickhead math teacher thats all about autistic proofs. good luck grinding through that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 20:47:06 2015 No.7505052 >>7501305 >math major >easier/shorter than other programs >can always specialize with masters later

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 21:01:39 2015 No.7505081 >>7503617 Don't blame your laziness on "lack of resources". >>7505030 >cost analysts making 55k$ a year not even bad tbh. I mean it's not engineering but that's not a bad starting salary and it's a field with ample room for career growth

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 21:19:14 2015 No.7505117

>>7505044
> you're gonna get that dickhead math teacher thats all about autistic proofs. good luck grinding through that.
>mfw this is me this semester im calculus 3 class

Ive never done theoretical calculis, hell none of the math Ive done up to now involved trying to prove everything. I known i can succeed if i practice, but since ive never done anything like thisni dont know where to look. Hes the only professor that teaches like this too. Ah, im gonna ask for book recommendations in the stupid questions thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 21:31:24 2015 No.7505149 i hope not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 22:03:36 2015 No.7505204 >>7501548 You also get a bunch of people who go into ME, and then get a masters in something else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 22:10:12 2015 No.7505218 >>7501305 The majority of humanity's problems are engineering problems: energy, water purification, automation of labor, genetic engineering of crops to name a few.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 22:12:22 2015 No.7505220

>>7501305
It is a bubble, and it is going to hurt when it pops

I went to a small middle of nowhere college to study engineering that ranked very highly for what it does. It was brutal, very high burnout rate for freshman. They cared about training the best of the best, if you did not make it there is the door. Despite the pain it put me through I respected it because I knew if I made it there I could make it anywhere. It was a real higher learning institution

However about the same time I got there the new leadership started making changes. One stated goal was to quadruple the size of the school in a decade, and foster diversity

Well we after a few years we had grown far too much. Class sizes had gone from 15 to 25, and you have to have a small class size for some of this stuff. Despite the new flood of students the number dropout had gone down

I remember reading a freshman Calc 1 syllabus and noticing huge changes, you can now take make-up exams. Where the F*** where my make up exams when I failed, oh and they cut out 4 chapters of the book. Now don't get me wrong that class needed to be adjusted, out of 200 students only 3 got a B or higher. But with that new syllabus I could have passed with only a few hours of studying a week. We were watering down what made us great

Then there were the diversity incentives. Now I fully support getting more diversity, but the way they got it was by dropping huge scholarships for them. During which in an "entirely unrelated matter" the other scholarships got dramatically reduced, including mine. Now all this aggressive advertising, easy grading, and free money was attracting a different group of people. No longer where we getting the starred eyed dreamers and curios cats, we were getting the "Mom said to go here" and "did you see how big the scholarships are"

One person told me they had given up on their dream of being a painter to be a chemical engineer
That kind of thing hurts everyone!

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 22:20:08 2015 No.7505237

>>7501305
Looks like a good place to ask.
I'm fucking in love with the field of robotics/machine learning
>inb4 bandwagon, this has been my obsession since I was 11 fuck you

Is majoring in EE with a concentration in mechatronics and minoring in CS appropriate? I just completed my first year of EE and I was considering switching to ME with a minor in CS. Any advice?

Also, I have tons of engineering friends, it's pretty apparent who will and who won't make it...the ones who won't make it already have 2.7s and hardly show up to classes. And that's a pretty high number of the people I know.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 22:40:51 2015 No.7505287

>>7505237
I'm in a pretty similar situation to you. I love that field - among others - and will be starting mechanical engineering later this month. I've been learning some programming myself, but I'm not quite sure how or what to concentrate on when I start.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 22:45:24 2015 No.7505297 >>7505220 What school are you talking about?

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 23:03:29 2015 No.7505340

>>7502102
Medicine isnt even fucking real. Half of the shit they say is shit they made up. I havent been happy with any doctor ive been to in the past 10 years. They all say different shit, its basically not stanardized. All "professional opinions"

And only way they get decent jobs is private practice. What a joke.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 23:14:44 2015 No.7505361 >>7505220 I hate diversity quotas. Im fine with diversity , dont get me wrong. But doing it for the sake of money is retarded. It should be diverse because thats how the world is.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 23:35:11 2015 No.7505396
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>>7505361
I see many of the diversity issues seem to form at a very young age. Trying to get high school graduates to change is uphill battle. Far easier to let people grow naturally into what they want and fuel that with good teachers and good placement programs.

That is why that painter made me so mad at the world. They were a great painter, they liked painting. But the world couldn't allocate their skills correctly so they started studying chemical engineering because they got a full ride scholarship if they switched. That not only takes resources away from better candidates, but it also makes them stressed and burned out as they try to compete in their weakest areas.

It seems our focus is on fixing and improving our weakest skills, rather then doing more with what we are good at.
I support well rounded teaching, every engineer needs a historical literary class, but that is not that same as bribing them to switch to a literary degree where they struggle the rest of their life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 23:38:19 2015 No.7505401 i think we are really banking on roboticizing everything, at the expense of people doing actual fucking labor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 1 23:42:38 2015 No.7505410 >>7505401 When you say "labor" do you mean the historically physical kind or work in the general sense? general work will never go away, I don't care how many robots are a built. Now affording such work is another matter.

Anonymous Tue Sep 1 23:53:09 2015 No.7505434

>>7505410
i dunno i am actually really thinking more in terms of software development. there have been some very good adoptions in better software practices leading to much more automation in the software industry (testing, etc) and it would be very interesting for me to see if this type of autoamtion can be applied in the physical engineering spaces

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 00:02:51 2015 No.7505458 >>7501599 Only when you don't succeed yourself. Of course you want your friends to do well, but you don't want them to actually do better than you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 00:04:15 2015 No.7505464 >>7503629 Hey, it could be worse. You could have done biology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 00:09:33 2015 No.7505478 >>7505340 >muh healing crystals

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 00:10:41 2015 No.7505482 >>7505218 Still doesn't mean the field can't be saturated. Academia for instance is certainly saturated, and while this is true, it doesn't mean all research problems are already solved.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 00:13:52 2015 No.7505489

Engineer here
Going forward I think the job market is going to become more selective as a reaction to universities becoming less selective in their engineering students.
My GPA was 3.14 in high school and probably wasn't good enough for a <real> engineering institution (did enough extracirricularly and independently so I didn't go to a terrible school).
Only kids who are getting 3.5's in college are going to be the ones making 100k+ and working at a job that is remotely what they signed up for. Source: magna student who's worked a few co-ops at Bose and a laser welding firm. I'm in a 5 year program that's accredited for both mechE and EE and already have a minor in applied math

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 00:22:11 2015 No.7505509 File: 65 KB, 593x583, reaction face.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw Engineering & Management >mfw 98% placement rate >mfw no idea what ill be doing >mfw presumably managing engineers

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 01:36:05 2015 No.7505595 bioengineering major here

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 01:43:51 2015 No.7505603 >>7505489 high school was a fuck up for me too i got around a 3.2 bc you go through developmental changes and its tough to cope. Do not let that hold you back, I got all A's in college as a bioengineering major

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 08:41:39 2015 No.7505718 >>7505509 Not jealous tbh, it's what all the shitty engineers wind up doing after 10-20 years experience. Good money, though.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 08:46:14 2015 No.7505722

>>7505434
I would ask for more examples, but software can be applied to anything.

As for reaching physical space, it can and will. Many of the core part have been around for ages, adapting it takes some effort but not much, especially now that we have CAE software to speed it up and cut costs.

This quiet revolution is happening now at full speed. If I understand you correctly, see vacuum cleaning path software, then see it scaled to other industry (like self driving coal mine trucks, then cars). The impact any one of these can dramatically change our culture, and there are like hundreds or more of them happening at once.
>It is the future!

However it scares me. These newer systems require a lot of resources, much more then people understand. And while the boom of building these are nice we have no plan on what happens once we move to the maintenance phase for systems that act like infrastructure.

To put it over simplistically
Robots take a lot of resources to build an run, are they worth it? (think about the economics of how the big and small interact, not just the common global economics, costs always go somewhere)
And what do we do when robots are running around everywhere? (mass unemployment? futuristic utopia? ... I know Skynet will not happen but an overbearing algorithm could be just as bad)

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 09:27:18 2015 No.7505749

>>7505220

>One person told me they had given up on their dream of being a painter to be a chemical engineer

Uh that doesn't even make sense, couldn't they still be in painting but make a career through the paint and adhesive manufacturing industry?

That way they could make their own paint mixes on the side like the old painters did long ago. No need to sacrifice their dream, just alter it a bit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 09:30:53 2015 No.7505755 Funny that you say that, I've spoken with some LM exec lately and they say that number of today's engineering students graduates is low and something to worry about.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 10:19:41 2015 No.7505785

>>7505749
I understand what you are saying, I design new glaze colors for my pottery using engineering as a passionate hobby while I have another job. Sometimes you have to make do.

But that is not the point in this case, the point is they changed their school and major for scholarship money. They will likely never be as good of a chemical engineer as the other person who is passionate about chemistry, because they didn't seem to know or care about it at the time they pick it for only for money. I saw their work, they where already very good at painting, when they talked about it I could see passion, but when they spoke of chemistry their voice died like reading a grocery list aloud to strangers. They left their paint kit at home because they did see themselves using it while they were at college.

Now I know the real world involves compromise and things never go exactly to plan, but when the structure encourages such inefficiencies it hurts everyone. Too much compromise is a big problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 15:42:32 2015 No.7506026 >>7505396 I hate that picture. If a fish chooses to spend it's life trying to climb a tree, then that's what I'm going to judge the fucker on.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 16:48:39 2015 No.7506128
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Mechie and just started freshman year.

What's a good minor/double major to help put me ahead of the bubble? I was thinking maybe something with business.

pic related

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 16:56:13 2015 No.7506135 File: 76 KB, 392x592, 1419254288963.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7506128 To avoid the bubble study something a retard can't study i.e. math/mathematical stats brah

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 16:57:57 2015 No.7506136 >>7506135 But I hated statistics. >Robotics club president >shop classes in high school >family of engineers I love engineering and I don't want to major in anything else.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 17:29:54 2015 No.7506180

>>7504651
Yeah, and there's often some truth to stereotypes. Engineers compliment themselves by saying this; STEM is on average substantially nerdier than other fields. At its best, it's full of stiff, conservative frat boy types who may not exactly be nerdy but who are still as bland as accountants.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 17:44:51 2015 No.7506201 >>7506128 CS in general, or Physics since you're an ME.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 18:08:00 2015 No.7506229

there was a post earlier in this thread that hit the nail on the head about what an employable engineer actually is. it's not the guy who aced every assignment and exam because he was a total autist or worked himself half to death and its also not super socialites who have networking and working in teams down. from my experience your degree is your proof that you can learn and understand new ideas and solve complex problems using a variety of sources and techniques. it gets you through the door. its nothing but a pre-requisite. nobody is going to give a shit what research you have done. what will set you apart when it comes to getting a job is your personal qualities and your soft skills. employers want someone who is able to actually function in a working environment. yes, your degree and academic achievements help to develop these but because everyone else also has a degree you need something else to differentiate you from the pack.
if you're able to do that - and it's not hard - you will have no trouble getting a job in any STEM field. even chemistry...

this is coming from a guy who was stoned for 75% of the time through his chemical engineering degree, nearly got kicked out 2nd year for partying too much, failed 2 exams in 3rd year and then aced everything in final year. and fuck your masters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 18:23:57 2015 No.7506251 >>7506128 Take not listening to 4chan as minor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 18:27:43 2015 No.7506259 >>7506128 Senior year Mechie here, the best thing to do to get yourself ahead is having over a 3.5 GPA.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 18:39:44 2015 No.7506276 >>7506229 This is probably the best post I will read on this site, I can either continue browsing or copy this text somewhere and leave.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 18:52:18 2015 No.7506292 >>7501571 >implying engineers are smart enough to realize this.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 18:54:31 2015 No.7506295

>>7506229
Let's be real here. The fact that you and I fucked around so much and still got degrees says how worthless these degrees really are beyond saying that you and I are baseline competent.

But yeah.. Being able to be social is important. Socialization in the work place bolsters moral and helps make the work day much more enjoyable for everyone. No matter what you do, work will always become monotonous, but being able to enjoy the company of your coworkers makes everything much less shitty. In the end, that's what most people what.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 19:00:28 2015 No.7506306

>>7506229

>stoned 75% of the time

right there with you brother. I'm a computer engineering student just off my work term and doing my last semester. Vape erryday.

I was among 5/40 (really 2/20 as we're grouped with the EEs but my degree is technically a seperate program) to land a relevant internship this summer. My GPA and what not isn't spectacular. It's just obvious that I actually know practical things. I worked with a CS student who has an 3.9 GPA and I basically had to do his job for him half the time. Barely knew how to program and not in any useful sort of way.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 19:07:48 2015 No.7506322

>graduated with degree in CS
>expecting 65k/yearr like my college advisors told me
>end up with 53k/year in my first job

Meh, at least I have a job, I should be grateful considering I smoked weed and played video games for literally 3/4th of my college career. If I can do it, so can you faggots. Go for it!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 19:19:03 2015 No.7506343 >>7505237 oh yeah, well it was my dream since I was 10 jesus

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 19:22:11 2015 No.7506350 >>7506136 Youre pullin a dad vibe right now Or maybe a bro vibe Both annoying

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 19:27:12 2015 No.7506357 >>7506128 Oh shit nigga CCAC here and thinking of transferring in for math CS next year. I know the campus inside out but how you liking it there bro?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 19:29:50 2015 No.7506364 >>7506350 kek, look at >>7506357 confirmed

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 19:31:15 2015 No.7506367 https://www.asee.org/papers-and-publications/publications/14_11-47.pdf

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 20:56:35 2015 No.7506450 Hey guys I got into the University of Illinois and I'm wondering what I should study What do you think would get me the best paying jobs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 21:01:17 2015 No.7506453 >>7506450 EE or ChemE probably. Hard though. MechE is your safest bet, probably.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 21:52:48 2015 No.7506509

This thread is a joke lmao there's no such thing as an "engineering bubble" that's ready to burst, this is just a bunch of undergrads speculating and giving advice where they have no business doing so. The rate of engineers going into junior year in any school is significantly lower than that of any other non-STEM major, mostly because they realize that their "love of robotics" won't get them that MechE degree. If you're going into engineering thinking it's about building "cool robots XD" it isn't. The only thing that sickens me is seeing all of these undergrads believing they are real engineers when they barely got a C in baby Cal. Out of everyone who has posted in this shitty thread I'm sure the number of professional engineers doesn't pass 3. Yes it does get harder. No it isn't about building robots or the meme "mechatronics" you fucking weeaboo faggots. If you're so worried about your precious "engineering" degree being worthless, be top of your class and when your meme bubble bursts you'll have more people to step on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 21:55:50 2015 No.7506513 >>7501305 >7 years ago >news channels are going on and on about how are students are failing so much that we won't have laywers and doctors to supply the baby boomers >we now have a surplus of white collar jobs

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:08:48 2015 No.7506526 >>7506509 Are you a professional engineer? I knew a girl doing her honors year in robotic engineering and she was building cool robots.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:21:59 2015 No.7506543

>>7506450
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/majors-that-pay-you-back/bachelors

Also I knew University of Illinois was a good school but I didn't realize the engineering school was this good
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-illinois-at-urbana-champaign-145637/overall-rankings
So take into account that some of your engineering programs have a bit more prestige than others

Your salary will depend on your grades and work experience more than your specific major though, so don't do something you don't want to invest enormous amounts of time on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:29:36 2015 No.7506550 >ChemE sophomore How fucked am I for the bubble?

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:30:02 2015 No.7506551
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>>7506509

I just passed my FE exam so make that number 3.5 :^) I'm a design engineer at a consulting firm.

Actual engineering is a lot different than what school/popsci leads you to believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:31:29 2015 No.7506553 So now that engineering is fucked, what's the new cash cow?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:48:18 2015 No.7506570 >>7506450 Are you a freshman?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:53:25 2015 No.7506583 File: 7 KB, 200x195, 1431928102708.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7506553 Rare pepes, of course

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 22:57:16 2015 No.7506589

>>7506553
Studying what you want to study and what you can do well and not falling for fucking memes just because the news or your advisors or 4chan or some website promised you 300k starting after 4 years of sitting on your ass jerking off to anime and posting drawings of frogs.

Anonymous Wed Sep 2 23:22:25 2015 No.7506617

>>7506135
The undergrad math curriculum in the average US university is a joke. It's also one of the major with the highest completion rate and highest GPA. At least engineering is mostly standardized because of the accreditations. And a decent job as a math graduate means a job in IT, and that's if you're lucky and smart enough to have learned how to code in your free time. Even that option is starting to disappear with the number of people in CS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 23:29:24 2015 No.7506625 >>7506513 Oh man, I remember when they kept saying there'd be labor shortages everywhere after all the baby boomers would retire, and that salaries would skyrocket as a result. Still waiting on that one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 23:31:17 2015 No.7506628 >>7506553 Anything related to health is still a cash cow and will likely stay that way until that shit is automated. Too much "muh feels" and corporatism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 23:34:00 2015 No.7506632 >>7506589 >tfw don't want to study anything >tfw can't do anything well When are there going to be 4chan shitposting majors so this whole "Study wat u luv!!!:)" meme will actually mean something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 23:35:10 2015 No.7506634 >>7506628 >Too much "muh feels" and corporatism. What do you mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 2 23:39:01 2015 No.7506637 >>7506634 Look at pharmacists earning well over 100k for being glorified clerks, thanks to the licensure process.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 01:31:29 2015 No.7506774 >>7506551 ...can you explain actual engineering?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 01:35:51 2015 No.7506780 >>7501336 The nice thing is that no matter how many people apply to engineering they haven't expanded the number of students they take in, in the last 10 years its seems at the U of M. Hopefully they know not to allow for super saturation

Anonymous Thu Sep 3 14:27:05 2015 No.7507500
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I was accepted to Pennsylvania State University and my grades were absolutely shit and dropped out after 11th grade and have a GED. I've been studying after I realized I was accepted and so I can handle anything up to the freshman college level now and I still have four more months to study.

What are they top in/What would be worth it? I was considering EE but they apparently suck at anything related to electronics/computers and are ranked in the high 20s for all of them. Should I just go into IE since they're like #6-7 in the country for it? I know that I want to do engineering as I've spent this entire year figuring out what I want to do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 14:32:56 2015 No.7507515 >>7507500 EE isn't ranked low. Usually top 10. Up there with ChemEng. Computer Engineering is the glorious enlightened EE route.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 14:33:11 2015 No.7507516 It's only an engineering bubble if you don't get a masters. The number of undergrad degrees is unsustainable and the quality is worse than shit You see it in the work place, undergrads are all field and CAD techs

Anonymous Thu Sep 3 15:48:57 2015 No.7507622
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>>7507515
>EE at PSU
>top anything
no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_College_of_Engineering#Academic_departments_and_rankings

http://www.engr.psu.edu/facts/rankings.aspx
>grad programs
>Computer Engineering 31
>Computer Science 29
>Electrical Engineering 32
their undergrad programs aren't even ranked because they're so shit supposedly

but when you look at anything unrelated to EE/CMPE/CS, they crush

>national rankings
>undergrad - grad
>AE 11 - 16
>ME 13 - 16
>NE 7 - 5
>IE 7 - 10
>MATE 10 - 13
>BIOE 11 - 11
>CHEME 18 - 21
>CIVE 17 - 21

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 15:50:03 2015 No.7507625 >>7507622 they also get 38 in the world on QS for anything related to aerospace/mechanical/industrial/manufacturing

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 16:13:08 2015 No.7507666 >>7501536 study engineering at the graduate level. God damn what is with people thinking there's no job market for physicists? Here in NY companies would drool over your physics degree.

Anonymous Thu Sep 3 20:37:41 2015 No.7508148

>>7507666
People don't learn how to market their degree, or just aren't looking hard. The market for physics and Math major is actually really good in fields like finance and data science. Defense contractors, NASA and big wall street firms love Math and Phys majors.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 22:09:56 2015 No.7508346 >>7507516 If a field requires a masters whereas it previously required a bachelor, that's a clear indication of a bubble. It doesn't improve from that point on. After some point, even a masters won't cut it, like with the liberal arts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 22:12:28 2015 No.7508347 >>7507666 >>7508148 Not even remotely true for the bachelor level when there is glut of PhDs trying to land the same jobs because academia is a barren wasteland of fierce competition and never ending postodcs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 22:25:39 2015 No.7508376 File: 226 KB, 330x236, 1419196021611.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7506774 Paperwork, meetings, regulations, meetings, clients, paperwork, maybe some calculations.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 3 22:48:27 2015 No.7508416 >>7508148 trust me. defense and NASA are a good ol' boys club. it's all about networking and knowing the RIGHT people to get in.

Anonymous Thu Sep 3 23:28:41 2015 No.7508515

>>7506774
>...can you explain actual engineering?

The other guy hit pretty close to the mark. Any kind of big engineering project has a ton of people working on teams that need to be coordinated to build the product. That means a ton of meetings either reviewing documents from other teams to make sure they're doing what you need and meetings listening to other teams give you feedback about what they need from you. The rest of the time is when you get to do the actual engineering. But even that is a slow process where you build your piece, either you or someone else checks to make sure it's right, you go back and fix your mistakes, it gets merged in with other peoples pieces, checked and tested again, etc. Half of being successful as an engineer is technical talent and the other half is the ability to work as part of a team. If you're missing either half, you're screwed.

It is the fucking sweetest feeling in the world when you turn on a $40 million system and it just works or when you walk by someone on the street and see that he's using some gadget that you worked on. There's nothing like it.

Anonymous Fri Sep 4 00:15:23 2015 No.7508604

>>7508346

It's not even a question of if it is a bubble or not, it is. The number of the undergrads that get pushed through the system and given their 4 year certificate of attendance is pitiful. In many fields you will need a phd eventually, even masters programs are getting watered down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:01:54 2015 No.7510468 >>7506553 big data from what I hear, it's the new buzzword

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:40:50 2015 No.7510525

Freshman year:
"Omg dude STEM is where its at. Im studying my ass off"
Sophomore year:
"Yeah man I switched to finance/nursing/something that requires me to study 2 hours a week so I can pay 20k/yr to party and dig myself a financial hole I wont get out of"

every time.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:55:05 2015 No.7510547

>>7510525
haha this reminds me of one of my friends.
>be in precal together
>yea dude, my cousin is a pharmacist and he makes bank. Im looking into that
>me:thats cool, im doing engineering. I think we have to take the same classes up to math 2 right?
>fast forward to the end of the semester
>me:did you sign up for calculus or what bro?
>yea, about that... I think Im gonna switch majors bro. Im young, I dont wanna stay in school longer than I have to. I wanna have a social life blah blah blah
>me: okay bro, sounds good.

basicslly, it was too much work for him. Hes smqrt, but has little work ethic.

I think he switched to some shitty degree imo. Cant remember what it was, but classes are super easy for him now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:55:32 2015 No.7510548 >>7506589 No

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 02:27:53 2015 No.7510647 >>7501305 2nd year of chemE Right now we have like 70 chemE students and we are expected to have much less by the time we graduate The entire engineering class is like 500 students though mostly made up of mechanicalE and CS

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 02:48:07 2015 No.7510677

>>7504887
yeah, my school had to dumb down some of the classes because of the drop out rate. 2nd year classes were about 40-50 people. 3rd year <20 and 4th year was <10. Doing advanced optics (lasers and shit) there was me and another guy in the class. 2 people... The class pace was slowed because the other guy didn't show up much and the prof wanted to make sure he knew the material. Couldn't do general relativity because they wouldnt teach the class with 1 person. So I graduated without it.

They had to dumb down quantum mech 3 a fuck tonne because the average was 50% and then in turn nuclear physics had to be dumbed down because no one knew enough quantume mech to do nuke.

our Classical mech 3 class which was mostly math that taught coupled oscillators, chaos theory, hamilontian mech and a lot more lost most of its material down to just hamiltonians and coupled oscillators.

Circuits class got dumbed down to the point that not many could make propper logic circuits or construct basic experiments needed for the 3rd year honors lab.

I got royally fucked on my physics major, but my math was at least done well. I didn't feel confident enough to go for my masters so I turned to engineering

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:30:19 2015 No.7511460 So is computer engineering and software engineering reasonably the same thing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:37:02 2015 No.7511467 >>7508604 Yup. Doing my Master's now, since most materials engineering jobs require one for entry level positions. BS was a joke tbh >>7510547 >doing precalc in college He's not smart

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:50:55 2015 No.7511497 India and China are pumping out cheap substandard engineers. Company I work for used a chinese engineering firm for a while. We ended up having to do a lot of corrections on the designs they sent back. So we just ditched them and hired more Americans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:54:35 2015 No.7511503 >>7511467 >tfw started at remedial algebra >just aced numerical methods, going into a PDE class this semester.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 15:58:02 2015 No.7511508

>>7511460
computer engineering is basically computer hardware engineering with creation of drivers for software(anything that interacts directly with your hardware)

software engineering is more just creation of any application you see on your desktop etc etc.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:26:57 2015 No.7511557

>>7503617
>>7504396
>tfw amazing at designing and making mechanical things
>tfw severely autistic
This is bullshit, society ostracizes those who can offer the most talent. I completely understand what you mean, I flopped out of a degree after just 3 months purely because I didn't get on with the class or professors and when I applied for an apprenticeship instead I was rejected. When I asked for feedback as to why they said and I quote "You didn't seem sociable enough". Trashed because I came across as awkward.
>talk to people

I did actually try talking to people there, I don't know how I even got exposed as a friendless sperg. Anyway I find the less I say the better in general, I always say the wrong thing.

I've been on Autismbux ever since dropping out of university 5 years ago and the fuckers at the medical assessment unit love to bring up how well I did in my A levels and GCSEs as if that fucking matters if you have zero social skills. If my invention plans ever make it anywhere I'll make sure to tell any journalist that interviews me how I was thrown into the trash despite working as hard as anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:34:13 2015 No.7511569 >>7511503 >Paying money to learn shit that was firgured out centuries ago Damn Jews

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:41:15 2015 No.7511581

>>7501305
I don't know what country you are from, but in Norway at least we could easily have twice the number of engineers graduate every year and still have everyone get jobs before finishing the final year. As things are right now, people are often headhunted in 2-3rd grade and at least 50% have been recruited before finishing their degree

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:43:43 2015 No.7511587 >>7511460 Depends on what country you are from and what their definition of these studies are

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:44:20 2015 No.7511588 >>7511569 they wouldn't let me test out man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:45:18 2015 No.7511591 >>7511581 >tfw I need to become an ice nigger just to get a job On a related note, I saw a job posting for a facilities engineer in Antarctica. I'm way underqualified, but if I was going to go into HVAC, that's be fun as hell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:46:04 2015 No.7511593 >>7508604 >In many fields you will need a phd eventually >15 years of study just to to design a gearbox This is what it has come to lads

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:47:04 2015 No.7511595 >>7511591 >-80 degrees >fun

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:54:49 2015 No.7511606

>>7511593
Honestly, yes. Between machinists and CAD monkeys, a lot of basic engineering problems can be solved with computers and common sense. The unresolved stuff is complicated enough that it requires a PhD

>>7511595
>Inside all day with a bunch of qt3.14 biologists and climatologists
or
>Reading a book alone while staring out at the pure white tundra
At the very least, it's cooler than being alone in Bumfuck, USA

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 16:59:16 2015 No.7511615 >>7511606 >Penguins have had enough of your shit and start an armed uprising Anyway what is the unresolved stuff? Thought mech eng was pretty cut and dried apart from military wackos wanting planes so fast they burn up in the atmosphere

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 17:57:17 2015 No.7511736

>>7511615
>military wackos wanting planes so fast they burn up in the atmosphere
That's a big one, but there's plenty of stuff engineers still need to figure out

Better energy generation and storage, better transportation (hyperloop, self-driving cars), space exploration, etc

Also, less exciting stuff, like cheaper methods of dealing with corrosion, cheaper ways to make composites and nanomaterials, ways to replace human workers with machines...

Actually, money is pretty much the root of all difficult engineering problems

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