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[Anonymous No.7438900]

Can completely mentally healthy people commit suicide?

What does research says?

[Anonymous No.7438902]

let me ask it in another way

"is everbody who commits suicide mentally ill?"

[Anonymous No.7438905]

no, because you'd have to verify if someone was mentally ill after they commited suicide, which isn't possible

[Anonymous No.7438908]

If you discount sacrifice, then it just depends on whether or not you define being suicidal to be a mental health disorder.
Any further discussion into it is just mental masturbation and 2holy4u autists.

[Anonymous No.7438923]

>>7438908
This. I would define mental health as, among other things, not wanting to kill yourself, so I say no.

This is also why psychology isn't science.

[Anonymous No.7438968]

its possible to rationally come to the conclusion that existing is Not OK.

so, suicide is a subjective opinion. its not right or wrong except in context with the individuals desires and goals and beliefs and values.

[Anonymous No.7438981]

>>7438923
>so I say no
Put someone in enough pain (eg. cluster headaches or similar) with no hope of it ending, they will want to die rather than continue to bear the suffering. This is not mental illness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache#History

[Anonymous No.7439028]

>>7438900
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin
Having really low levels of this, means you are ill. So yes, mentally ills commit suicide.

If one's perfectly healthy and wants to commit suicide, then it means one's a complete idiot.

[Anonymous No.7439084]

>>7439028
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

so everyone who commits suicide has low serotonin levels?

[Anonymous No.7439205]

>>7438981
yes it is

[Anonymous No.7439207]

Chances are there are at least a handful of people of old age who've offed themselves out of curiosity, not to mention cases where people in excruciating physical pain but sound mind decide to kill themselves.

>>7438908
>it just depends on whether or not you define being suicidal to be a mental health disorder
>science depends on everyone's own personal interpretation!
>and anyone who disagrees with mine is a 2holy4u mental masturbater!

There actually is a concrete medical definition for mental illness you know. You don't get to pace around your room and decide for yourself through "muh deep thought". That's as masturbatory as it gets.

[Anonymous No.7439217]

>>7439207
>Chances are there are at least a handful of people of old age who've offed themselves out of curiosity
How impatient

I think honour suicides used to be a thing, japanese samurai sprung to mind.
Generally to protect one's offspring one might commit suicide. Guess it's probably happened.

[Anonymous No.7439227]

>>7439217
that's sacrifice though.
the anon stated 'if you discount sacrifice'

[Anonymous No.7439238]

>>7439227
Sorry the second part of my post was just a reply to the OP.

[Anonymous No.7439492]

>>7438902
>every organisms biological purpose is to reproduce and to survive
>you don't have that fundemental wish to keep living
>implying that's ever natural or in other words mentally healthy

[Anonymous No.7439945]

>>7439492
>biological purpose
into the trash

[Anonymous No.7440055]

>>7439207
>There actually is a concrete medical definition for mental illness you know.

“there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bullshit. I mean, you just can’t define it.” -Allen Frances Editor of DSM-IV

similarly he said
“these concepts are virtually impossible to define precisely with bright lines at the boundaries.”

If you want a deeper discussion there's a six part series in "Philosophy, Ethics, and Humanities in Medicine" initiated by Frances, Spitzer (ed of DSM-III) and involving more than a dozen other psychiatrists.

[Anonymous No.7441426]

>>7440055
you should probably actually read DSM instead of books with the word "philosophy" in the name when talking about things pertaining to medicine and medical practice.

[Anonymous No.7441481]

One of them jumped.

Euthanasia is legalized in 4 countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_euthanasia

No research needed I´d say.

[Anonymous No.7441510]

>>7438908
What is 'sacrifice'?

If I'd found my life not worth anything and not worth wasting any further resources on, am I sacrificing myself for the rest of the humans?

In the end biology seems to be about reproduction to as many specimens of a species as possible. So if you take that guideline/definition everyone who'd commit suicide after successfully raising children would not do anything against biology. Some species have even evolved to die after mating.

In the end there's no objective definition of 'mentally healthy'. Some centuries ago people were performing (sometimes involuntary) euthanasia on weak grandparents or handicapped children. Back then it wasn't really murder - even though they were more religious than nowadays - so why wouldn't the view on suicide be dependent on the morals of the age we live in?

[Anonymous No.7441550]

>>7438905
>no, because you'd have to verify if someone was mentally ill after they commited suicide,
All you really have to do is verify at the moment right before they suffer any damage but right after their death is physically guaranteed. Hard but not impossible.

[Anonymous No.7441573]

>>7438900
i'm pretty sure ONLY completely healthy people commit suicide

[Anonymous No.7441588]

>>7439028
>If one's perfectly healthy and wants to commit suicide, then it means one's a complete idiot

Oh, like the Jordanian fighter pilot?

[Anonymous No.7441597]

People who sacrifice themselves are as insane as any suicide.

That is why suicide is not insane.

[Anonymous No.7441600]

>>7441597
>People who sacrifice themselves are as insane as any suicide.
Some serious bait m8

[Anonymous No.7441603]

>>7438900
holy shit non-sensical question is non-sensical

[Anonymous No.7442188]

>>7439205
Not it is not.

[Anonymous No.7442999]

>>7438900
Depends on your definitions of 'mentally healthy', it's an incredibly vague question you're pursuing.

[Anonymous No.7443002]

>>7438900
Yes, people being tortured with no end in sight would be considered crazy not to want to die.

[Anonymous No.7443032]

>>7438900
Can spies or resistance fighters bite a cyanide capsule, rather than risk falling into enemy hands and being tortured for information that will surely result in the deaths of their countrymen?

Honestly OP, did you even think about this for more than ten seconds before spamming another shit-tier thread out on /sci/?

[Anonymous No.7443036]

>>7438900
You are under the assumption that suicide is disconnected from external factors. Most people who kill themselves are quite sane and not unlike you or me.

[Anonymous No.7443135]

>>7438900
I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of this question.
Of course they are capable of doing it, probably even more so.
But there is no reason what so ever in believing that a healthy person is more likely to commit suicide. In fact, if you examine the people who have committed suicide they have in more cases than not, suffered from depression.

[Anonymous No.7443222]

>>7438900
theoretically yes, but they hardly ever do. >90% of people who attempt suicide are mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.7443685]

>>7438900
Living doesn't even make sense. When you're dead you will not be in a state to remember anything in your life. Thus, your life is completely irrelevant to you after you die.

Just like a forgotten dream.

So suicide actually is the sensible option.

[Anonymous No.7443702]

>>7443685
then kill yourself

[Anonymous No.7443703]

>>7443702
No, I'm human so I want to live.

[Anonymous No.7443706]

>>7443703