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7406535 No.7406535 [Reply] [Original]

I'm working on a revolutionary new advanced form of propulsion system. According to the calculations if attached to a 2" wide drone it could lift 30 lbs for half an hour. Once I have built the prototype how do I market it? I'm thinking military, fire and rescue or the postal service. What's the patent process like?
>does it work in space
Dunno

>> No.7406559

>>7406535
>does it work in space
>dunno

If you dont know that much about your own invention then you are clearly lying or your invention is complete garbage and you are delusional about its effectivness.

So which is it OP?

>> No.7406573

>>7406559
Just because you use a theory doesn't mean you know everything about it. You sound salty. Why don't you come up with your own ideas instead of taking out your bitterness on me.

>> No.7406576

where are you going to get a room temperature superconductor

>> No.7406577

>>7406573
Don't care too much about him, if it really works then just get your ass to the patent office and the people there will help you sort it out.

But I must admit, smells a little bit like bullshit, and I have a feeling you don't want to tell us anything about how it works, so maybe you could just give a very brief explanation of how it may function?

>> No.7406578

>>7406559
My thinking exactly

>> No.7406595

>>7406559
This. Space (as you call it) is not something magical.

What's the principle behind it, OP?

>> No.7406618

>>7406577
It utilizes the Lorentz force, that's all I can say.
See what I don't understand about patents is that if your thing consists of a collection of previously known mechanisms is it a patentable invention? How do you differentiate between improved design and outright new invention
>>7406576
There are no superconductors involved

>> No.7406623

>>7406618
>It utilizes the Lorentz force, that's all I can say.

Is it some sort of ionic propulsion? I'm just trying to know if it works in space or not.

>> No.7406647

>>7406623
I've said too much, I must leave now.

>> No.7406654

>>7406647
Your planet needs you?

>> No.7406665

>>7406647

>OP can't even formulate the slightest bullshit story out side of mumbling '....l-lorentz force'

You're a fucking faggot, and uncreative at that.

>> No.7406671
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7406671

i bet op made an ionic lifter

>> No.7406673

>>7406671

Congrats on high school physics class OP

>> No.7406682

>>7406535

>asking /sci/ about patents

This is the fucking science board not the 'basic google shit for middle aged men who invented a new kind of door handle'

>> No.7406683

>>7406665
Chill guys, I am going to release a video of it flying a bicycle across a river soon. I don't think any current commercial drone can do that.
>>7406671
no lol, that can't lift 30 lbs

>> No.7406689

>>7406683

I can't wait to see your video that will never happen or will be clearly made in adobe after effects

>> No.7406714

>>7406689
It's not impossible to fly a bike across a river. If I was going to spend time faking a video I'd do a UFO one or something, you know a video that would actually get me enough view for it to be worth it.

Guys I was thinking calling it the Hydrodynamic Lorentz Drive or HyLo Drive because it uses the Lorentz force to manipulate an internal fluid of unspecified composition. What do you think?

>> No.7406723

>>7406618
>It utilizes the Lorentz force
Gee, I was hoping for weak interaction

>>7406714
Name's cool

>> No.7406731

>>7406714
>t uses the Lorentz force to manipulate an internal fluid of unspecified composition.
>What do you think?
That it's obvious you're full of shit.

>> No.7406736

>>7406731

Agreed

>> No.7406741

>>7406723
Thanks
>>7406731
Whatever m8

I'm going to a restaurant now. Post your questions and I'll answer them in an hour. I'm happy to answer questions on capabilities, costs, size etc but not on actual method of operation. I kind of want to make money and good ideas are like gold dust.

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7406745

http://i.imgur.com/qlvQDFq.gif
copy paste watch

>> No.7406746

>>7406741

Do you really think someone who created this kind of device would be shitposting on /mu/ and calling people 'm8' while not describing the device in any usable details

Your thread won't go anywhere without specifications, and if it were real you'd have gotten a patent lawyer already and would therefore be able to talk about the device in all the detail you'd like.

>> No.7406749

>>7406745
>http://i.imgur.com/qlvQDFq.gif

That uses fans, not the Lorentz force.

>> No.7406750

>>7406749
I'm 100% sure that is the Lorentz force in action.

>> No.7406752

>>7406714

The possibility of a bike crossing a river by flight isn't what i was talking about you thick cunt.

I'm saying that we'll never see any footage of your magical Lorentz Drive that isn't made in CGI.

>> No.7406756

>>7406535
Won't solenoids become super freezed hence reducing their magnetic power.

>> No.7406759

>>7406749


http://news.discovery.com/tech/gear-and-gadgets/real-life-hoverboard-breaks-world-record-150527.htm

So because the article mentions BTTF and electromagnetic drives you're going to assume that's what Duru's board is powered by?

Did you even watch a video of it in flight? The thing is as loud as a V8 in full throttle. Clearly fan noise. It's a similar design to the ducted fan hovering platforms the USAF experimented with in the 1960s.

>> No.7406761

>>7406759
meant for
>>7406750

>> No.7406762

>>7406759
>>7406761
How do you think a fan impulses air? I'm fucking sure is not because of weak, strong or gravitational interaction.

>> No.7406765

>>7406756

>>7406618
Apparently OP is using alien tech. :^)

>> No.7406766

Man,Its goof to see people discussing about science these days in this board.

>> No.7406768

>>7406762

Well that's sure as fuck not the same design OP is talking about or he would have said "fan powered hovercraft" which already exists and was the point I was making.

>> No.7406774

>>7406768
I understand and agree with you. My point was that saying 'it works using the Lorentz force' means absolutely nothing.

>> No.7406792

>>7406762
nuclear?

>> No.7406795

>>7406792
That's the strong interaction.

>> No.7406797

>>7406792
Technically a reactor turbine is a nuclear fan :^)

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7406819

I bet it's like my energy generators
One of them runs on memes and the other runs on spinning newton
It's a good combination because the harder the first machine runs the faster Newton spins which in turn turns the whole dual machine into a bigger meme which is the fuel source of the first machine
Once you kickstart the reactor with few dank memes the machine accelerates infinitely

Naturally there needs to be some control mechanism and energy extraction, else the machine would implode. For this I came up with control rods that inhibit the reaction and extract the energy in usable form.
There is also a back up system that has a meme sink and "cork" that dissolves that suppresses the system when activated. You see in my experiments I found that energy particles (the real name has fifty three syllables) named P.E.P.E's emanate from the generator, the stronger the meme energy the more PEPE's are created. After some critical threshold a new type of PEPE's start to emerge which I cleverly named rare PEPE's. Now these rare PEPE's have all sorts of nice interactions with regular matter especially meme salts. If the rare PEPE concentration rises too high, the meme salts will dissolve and release the stale memes into the reactor.
Brilliant if you ask me. I use it to power my home and play video games for free.

>> No.7406824

>>7406819

here's your reply with another meme image to show that i got your three year old joke

>> No.7406827
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7406827

>>7406824
What joke, i'm completely serious

>image

>> No.7406831

>>7406827

you really don't get how tired this shit is do you

30 year old black women on instagram are using pepe, let that be a metric for how long this has been around

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7406834

>>7406831
I'm not quite sure what you mean here.

>> No.7406836

>>7406834
probably because you're underage and seem to only be able to speak in 4chan memes to 'fit in'

please leave the thread you have nothing to add

>> No.7406842

>>7406836
I'm not sure why you are being so hostile when i'm just trying to contribute my invention to this thread

>> No.7406900

>>7406819
10/10
You are the hero /sci/ deserves

>> No.7406972

>>7406749
That's just a fan you fool, I've seen the video. >>7406746
I am going to patent it after I build it and prove it to work. Whether it works or not is actually not relevant to this discussion, all I wanted to know as how to market it if it did work. HyLo could be the future of personal transportation

>> No.7407006

>>7406535
does it work like pic related? Because according to researches the effect is too small to be measured.

>> No.7407013

>>7406714
So what's it reacting against? Earth's magnetic field or nothing at all?

>> No.7407821

>>7407006
no i just got that pic off google images
>>7407013
I told you im not answering anymore questions about operation, it is off topic.

>> No.7407854

>>7407821

Guy, you're in the science board. These questions are the only ones we actually want answered. Stop wasting our time if you're not gonna deliver, just get a patent lawyer and post the video and discuss it whenever it's done

>> No.7407932

>>7406573
>You sound salty
You sound like a troll

>> No.7408062

>>7407854
>get a patent lawyer and post the video and discuss it whenever it's done
omg fine

>> No.7408075

>>7408062
BETTER FUCKING DELIVER

>> No.7408079

>>7407932
>>7407932
>/sci/ believes in the Em Drive which makes makes outlandish warp speed performance claims by breaking the laws of established physics
>/sci/ doesn't believe in the HyLo Drive which makes no outlandish performance claims and allegedly works using the Lorentz force which is an established and well known physical phenomenon.

>> No.7408080

>>7406618
I would get a patent lawyer before doing anything else, assuming it actually is a good idea. If it isn't, you will just waste your money on the lawyer. Also, patents are typically worthless these days, in that as a lone inventor without capital, large companies can just steal or reverse engineer and slightly alter your shit, and then say "come at me bro" and just wait for you to run out of money paying a law firm to try to sue them.

>> No.7408088

>>7408080
Sounds grim. I'll talk to my business adviser about this. I asked on /sci/ because I didn't want to approach him until I had a working model.

>> No.7408103

>>7408080
>>7408088
So try to secure venture capital investments before disclosing anything broadly. But also tell me how it works now, I'm curious.

>> No.7408107

>>7408103
He apparently can't say any more than he already said in the thread, I'm not sure why he's so spooked by it but since it'll probably earn him millions he's shut his mouth.

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7408145

>>7408107
That was actually one of the questions that nobody answered. Will anyone actually be interested? I guessed yes seeing as people pay $8,000 for drones that can lift 4kg, and mine lifts three times more at a sixth of the price but then again why would you want to lift 15 kg with a drone?

>> No.7408153

I look forward to seeing your invention revolutionize the world with other great inventions such as Solar Freakin' Roadways.
:^)

>> No.7408156

I am going to buy a book on electromagnetism today. What does /sci/ recommend? Nothing too expensive and nothing maths-heavy.

>> No.7408170

>>7408145
I don't think lifting capacity is an important criteria for high end drones, either performance(maneuverability/speed) or range are the valued criteria. Lifting heavy weights may be valuable though.

>> No.7408175

>>7408156
That request makes me think that you do not have a revolutionary concept.

>> No.7408183

>>7408170
lifting capacity and range are basically one and the same because it means you an lift more batteries.
>>7408175
My knowledge is just a little rusty.

>> No.7408693

>>7408183
>My knowledge is just a little rusty.
You're a fucking kook,

>> No.7408773

>>7408693
My claims aren't impossible. Let's think about this now, if I was a kook I wouldn't even bother reading the book, I'd just make up my own wacko theory. Have faith young one.

>> No.7408846

>>7408183
What level of EM do you need? How much Math do you know?

>> No.7408864

>>7408846
I know electromagnetism, I just don't know the vector formulation. I got the book to learn the most rigorous description of the phenomena to make sure that there are no fuckups in the machine (magnet pointing wrong way etc)

>> No.7408933

>>7408864
>I know electromagnetism, I just don't know the vector formulation.
This is an oxymoron.

Just get Jackson's Electrodynamics (boring as fuck, but it has everything you need to know).

>> No.7408942

>>7408864
>I know electromagnetism, I just don't know the vector formulation

How in the hell does someone learn electromagnetism without learning the vector formulation?

>> No.7408968

>>7408942
You could learn the geometric formulation (exterior algebra), but I highly doubt he knows that.

>> No.7408972

>>7408864
>magnet pointing wrong way
How the FUCK can you think of a "revolutionary concept" and not know which ways is the right way for a magnet to face? You're full of shit OP, just like the mEMe drive and that old fart in /biz/ who thought he had ideated a way to extract energy out of thin air.

>> No.7409025

>>7408933
>>7408942
Don't be autistic guys, everyone learns plain old F=Bqv first. Some people don't even learn that, they just watch a magnet falling down a metal tube and that's the concept. Putting basic equations in terms of vectors is university-tier.
>>7408972
I know which way the magnet faces I just want to be absolutely sure before I spend money. That's how I do things, I make sure it works on paper first.

>> No.7409033

>>7409025
You are making no sense whatsoever.

>> No.7409051

>>7409033
What don't you understand?

>> No.7409054

>>7409051
You claiming a revolutionary method of propulsion using magnetohydrodynamics without any knowledge of electrodynamics.

>> No.7409060

>>7409054
Where did I say that I didn't know anything about electrodynamics?

>> No.7409062

>>7409060
Here:

>>7408156
>>7408864
>>7409025

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>>7409062
>Quotes a post where I said that I know electromagnetism as proof that I said that I don't know electromagnetism
Okay uh moving on... the patent question has sort of been answered now if someone could answer the question before that I can leave this thread.

>> No.7410657

So how's your lorentz drive better than this one?
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0807/0807.1948.pdf

This one even has a successful test showing it produces thrust.

>> No.7410661

>>7409073
Griffiths is ok, but you'd best know your Vector Calc.

>> No.7410678

>>7409073
you don't know electrodynamics if you don't know the "vector formulation", as you call it, simple as that

>> No.7411113

>>7410661
I'm gonna get a vector calculus book as well. It's div, grad, curl and all that crap right? Never studied it.
>>7410678
This is simply not true, you don't need to know anything about vectors to understand Coulomb's law, hell you could barely know algebra and still get the concept. The vector formulation is simply a more precise description. By your logic the guy who discovered most of electrodynamics Michael Faraday didn't know electrodynamics because he famously didn't know much maths.
>>7410657
He needs more magnets.

>> No.7411315

>>7406535

>be me

>be me enjoying morning coffee

>see tard talking about mercury plasma propulsion device like its something new

>mercury plasma, pressurized and supercooled, spun at a high speed inside of a toroid, coils wound around the toroid. Toroid can't be Al because mercury eats Al. Current issues with design include getting the mercury "plasma" to stay in liquid form at the temperature where superfluidity and superconductivity are possible. Still need high temp superconductors.

/thread

>> No.7411367

>>7411315
>Implying it has anything to do mercury plasma

>> No.7411411

>>7411113
Wait you've never done Vector calc? So just Calc I-II? That's interesting, what's your major?

>> No.7411424

>>7411113
Coulombs law is basic, like bare bones basic, electrostatics it is emphatically not electromagnetism. That said it's good to see you want to learn more, I recommend Griffiths as a great intro, that said you might want to supplement it with Purcell. Just so long as you understand vectors and vector calculus you'll be okay.

>> No.7411427

>>7411411
Also I think regarding Faraday he must have done something with surface integrals, can't imagine that he knew no vector calc
>>7411424
Fantastic stuff, also the co-author Morin has a nice introductory Mechanics book, would recommend, some of the questions are very challenging.

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>>7411411
I'm not a university student which is why I don't know any vector calculus
>>7411424
This is what they had at the city bookshop, please tell me it's good because I spent £50 on it
>>7411427
>surface integrals
no lol he was just a book binder, trig and algebra was all he ever learned.
I need a mechanics book too. Same story as with electromagnetism, I know it but not the rigorous mathematical view. Also half of my knowledge is patchy, can you believe I just found out about the parallel axis theorem a month ago?

>> No.7411523

>>7411493
>please tell me it's good
I've never used it, post contents page.

>> No.7411947

>>7409025
>Putting basic equations in terms of vectors is university-tier.

I learned that in my sophomore year of high school and I live in the middle of Oklahoma.

>> No.7412055

>>7411367
Thanks for confirming that you're a nutcase whose fantasy invention does nothing.

Why would you want to go to space anyway, if you think that Earth is flat?

>> No.7412074

Anything worth over 500 billion won't get a patent. The USPTO is corrupt as fuck.

>> No.7412084

>>7412074

>being this stupid

>> No.7412135

How can anyone even answer this thread unironically?

>> No.7413583

>>7412055
Why can't you just wish me luck? You just don't want me to succeed because you will look like even more of a nobody than you already are.

>> No.7413636

Oh shit, if it works the same as my idea, I will eat my limbs

>>7406618
>It utilizes the Lorentz force
how will it manage to break the law of momentum conservation?

>> No.7413655

>>7406714
>it uses the Lorentz force to manipulate an internal fluid of unspecified composition.
that's a relief, I thought we had the same idea
>>7413636

>> No.7413660

A lifter needs like a tether of 10kv just to lift an egg. Bullshit op.

>> No.7413681

>>7413660
It's not a fucking lifter however I want to commandeer the lifter name. The POS that is the ionocraft doesn't deserve it.
>>7413636
>>7413655
How much progress have you made with your version?

>> No.7413703

>>7413681
I've made significant progress with the theoretical bit; I might also disprove Newton's Third Law (not so likely),

>> No.7413730

>>7413703
That's not good m8, I'd abandon it if I were you. I don't disprove any laws I don't know why I'm getting so much hate on /sci/

>> No.7413732

>>7413730
>That's not good m8, I'd abandon it if I were you.
why

>> No.7413740

>>7413730
> I don't know why I'm getting so much hate on /sci/

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you're an idiot who falls for all of those "one simple trick" scams, and you're trying to con other people into believing your pseudoscientific 'invention' that will never ever fly.

>> No.7413749

Guys help me think of an edgy project name. So far I'm stuck between "Project Black" and "Project U.F.O". The edgier the better please.

>> No.7413755

>>7413732
Newton's Third Law is a cornerstone of science. Breaking that grants you a express ticket to quackville.
>>7413740
>scam
>con
I haven't asked anyone for money.
>Pseudoscientific
nigga you don't even know how it works
nigga you so salty
nigga you will cry when you see it fly.

>> No.7413760

>>7413755
>Newton's Third Law is a cornerstone of science. Breaking that grants you a express ticket to quackville.
isnt that what the whole reactionless propulsion systems defy

>> No.7413776

>>7413760
Hence why none of them actually work. Even the memedrive creators tried to appease Newton by coming up with some bullshit that it wasn't really reactionless.

>> No.7413778

>>7413776
All you have to do is get a working prototype in order to prove everyone wrong.

(you will never do this, ever, in your entire life)

>> No.7413783

>>7413776
how the fuck is your design supposed to work, then?

>> No.7413795

>>7413703
>>7413730
>>7413755
>>7413760
>>7413776
Newton's 3rd law doesn't apply to the Lorentz Force, fucktards.

OP, how you can say 'it uses the Lorentz Force' when you don't know the vector formulation, vector calculus or electrodynamics? How can you know where's pointing at?

>> No.7413805

>>7413795
[citation needed]

>> No.7413807

>>7413805
Are you fucking serious? What are you even doing here?

>> No.7413810

>>7413807
yes
to learn

>> No.7413811

>>7413795
Experiment.
>>7413783
It's magic I ain't gotta explain shit. Just buy it when you see it in the shops ok?

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>>7413805

>> No.7413819

>>7413816
thanks

>> No.7413821

>>7413811
Give us an ETA for some proof, like the youtube video

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7413829

>>7413821
I will soon, I said I'd show it flying my bike across a river. But time spent arguing with neckbeards on here was not time spent drawing up the magnet assembly with CAD software which is what I originally turned on my computer to do.

>> No.7413831

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>> No.7413832

>>7413829
When it doesn't work, get psychological help instead of either killing yourself or going on to the next pipe dream.

>> No.7413846

Holy fuck /Sci/ this is b8 101 are you all autistic?

>> No.7413887

>>7406683
A drone could do that. All you need to do make sure you have the right motor/prop/battery combo.

Much like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F0Q0v7H_9Q

>> No.7414115

I hope your idea is revolutionary and you become a millionaire.

>> No.7414328

>>7413887
Yeah that would totally work if you could get across the Thames in three seconds.
>>7414115
Thank you anon.
>>7413832
>>7413846
b positive

>> No.7414438

>hoverboards will happen soon
I'm rooting for you anon

>> No.7416374

Guys help me out. I have the magnet assembly CAD drawings ready but acquiring pure iron for the cores is proving to be a bitch. Can anyone recommend me a source?

>> No.7416383

>>7416374
The earth, I heard it has a lot of iron for free.

>> No.7416404

>>7416383
You're so funny and witty, here's your pat on the back.

>> No.7417525

>>7416374
Your local industrial area?

>> No.7417610

>>7406535
If you want to make money out of it I suggest that you make it work, build a presentable prototype and then sell it to a company that utilizes this technology. The patent concept turned horrible long ago, and it is said that China doesn't care about patents

>> No.7417616

>>7416374
It's hard to find pure iron?

Jesus fucking christ. Melt down some cast iron pots or some nails. Iron is fucking everywhere.

>> No.7418274

>>7417525
>>7417616
I kind of don't own a 1,500 degree furnace or even the land to build it on. I am going to go with low carbon steel.
>>7417610
This has got to be bullshit, you are seriously telling me that it is impossible for a small company to manufacture their own invention? This is fucked up if true. What I worry about is that if I sell it then I can't make it myself anymore. What about giving a big company a 50% stake in the company? That way I can still have some input and they can protect me with their legal team because they have vested interest in the product.

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>>7406535
>I'm working on a revolutionary new advanced form of propulsion system.

are ya

>> No.7418688

>>7406618
>It utilizes the Lorentz force
So basically it could be anything that's electronic.