Why would anyone study/major in physics in 2015?

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Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:54:52 2015 No.7391035 [Reply] [Original]

Why would anyone study/major in physics in 2015?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:55:37 2015 No.7391038 To learn

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:57:22 2015 No.7391042 >>7391035 Why would they not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:58:30 2015 No.7391045 >>7391035 Because if you have the ability to do it, there aren't many things that are better than solving a physics problem. but im shit at math so

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:59:56 2015 No.7391046 To be a physics high school teacher!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:02:51 2015 No.7391052 Some people enjoy physics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:06:45 2015 No.7391064 >>7391045 TFW mathematics major but confused by physics problems/reasoning. Plus I hate the labs and in general I hate computing things by hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:11:32 2015 No.7391075 >>7391064 I sort of understand how you feel, but I've found that computing things by hand (on occasion) provides insight on how some processes actually work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:19:07 2015 No.7391099 >>7391064 I am totally the opposite. Love physics, am good at it, but I am so poor at math. That may be because I'm at a basic stage in both, maybe the math involved in physics courses gets more extreme as you go on... idk

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:20:37 2015 No.7391105 >>7391046 >tfw I want to be a professor of math or physics but it's nearly impossible why did I choose such a risky career path?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:21:40 2015 No.7391109 >>7391099 >Love physics, am good at it, but I am so poor at math. How is this even a thin-- >I'm at a basic stage in both Ah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:22:05 2015 No.7391111 >>7391038 They should learn engineering instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:23:30 2015 No.7391118 Why do people major in English? Same retarded shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:27:44 2015 No.7391133 >>7391035 Because they want to learn about physics I suppose. Anyway those 3k kids a year are hardly the biggest retards going around. Cast your eye to the 300k/yr business & management students.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:29:31 2015 No.7391138 Cause they like it. It won't make you rich or anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:29:58 2015 No.7391142 >>7391109 fuck, so physics and maths become butt buddies later on? well fuck that I'm gonna be an evolutionary biologist

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:33:13 2015 No.7391152

>>7391035
IMO, primarily to get a good foundation for doing scientific research during/after grad school.

For interdisciplinary/applied:
>tfw can pick up a bio/chem (stamp collecting) book and basically learn all I need over a weekend
>similar with learning required software
>physics is in practically everything, so natural science groups like having a physicist around

Experimental physics is self-explanatory, but Idk, maybe an engineering degree would work, too.

For the record I'm gonna try for theory, so I'm combining it with math.

Some people want to teach high school.

I don't know what other reasons there could be, apart from curiosity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:37:23 2015 No.7391163 >>7391111 quads tell the truth

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:44:05 2015 No.7391178

Mental illness.

physicists are mostly lazy, too. I can't wait when chemists stop being undervalued by corporate America again. So sick of china thinking that they can force drug design by increasing quantity rather than quality. It's worked out really well so far huh stupid suits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:50:08 2015 No.7391195 >>7391035 Inb4 OP is a butthurt engineer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:54:19 2015 No.7391205 >>7391035 >>7391178 vimeo . com/115262006 If you can't see the reason to study physics in 2015 after this video... then you should stop being a pleb shitposter meme.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:57:31 2015 No.7391210 >>7391205 But anon, that's engineering.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:12:11 2015 No.7391243

>>7391210
The best physics in Portugal studied and study there. Just cause it says engeneering does not mean the degree and the people are shit. They go really deep into physics, but they have meme eng stuff like CAD and Bussiness.

I would say any Physicists stands by the people o study real Physics and maths. Not the meme physics and math that meme engineers study in meme engineering degrees.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:26:24 2015 No.7391275 >>7391133 I love it when STEM goons hate on brah business majors then end up teaching them math or science 101 at a local community college.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:34:42 2015 No.7391295

>>7391243
They have Engineering Physics in the US, it's in the engineering colleges. In the same schools they usually have Physics (sometimes Physics & Astronomy) as a major in the non-engineering college.
>They go really deep into physics, but they have meme eng stuff like CAD and Bussiness
Yeah, it's an engineering degree then. Tailored for industry rather than research.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:37:41 2015 No.7391307 >>7391142 >fuck, so physics and maths become butt buddies later on? physics is applied math

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:39:11 2015 No.7391313 >>7391152 What are you career goals?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:41:15 2015 No.7391320 >>7391142 Physics and math have always been butt buddies. The physics building at my university is literally connected to the math building by an elongated hallway.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:49:49 2015 No.7391333
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>>7391295
>"deep into physics" Yeah, it's an engineering degree then.
cringe
>Tailored for industry rather than research.
cringe

>tfw when an anon does not even bother to look at the subjects and makes a judgement based on the name Engineering.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:13:17 2015 No.7391389

>>7391313
Research, 100%.
Don't know where, though.
I currently feel like I'd rather not go into acadaemia (not too fond of the idea of lecturing or writing grants, also it's hyper competitive), so I'm looking towards government labs or industry.
I could change my mind, though. If I get lucky (top 10 grad, great connections, etc.), find that I have "talent," and everything aligns right for acadaemia, I would definitely consider it.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:30:42 2015 No.7391445

I'm pretty much okay at both math and physics, but I get what you mean by why would anyone want to go through with a major in it. There are so many other areas that are mind expanding and enticing, why work on the same 2%, about the size of the same size milk carton you got all through out your academic career, of problems that are solvable by integration and differentiation--it's is not going to work. Everyone essentially turns to the dark side of quantum mechanics. Either that or try to expand relativity, but the real research is you shuffling through 500 years of advances, half of which might not be relevant because you're still narrowing down. Anyway. I dunno man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:31:32 2015 No.7391447 because they failed to get into the engineering program

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:41:55 2015 No.7391469 >>7391447 This is so true

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:47:51 2015 No.7391481 Jeez, since when did this board turn to /eng/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:56:54 2015 No.7391495 >>7391389 Expanding a bit: What I mean is, I would rather not end up a professor at somewhere like University of Nebraska. If I have a chance to be one at Caltech though, then I'd go for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:07:33 2015 No.7391524 >>7391109 you can like the field and the topics it involves but also not be good at it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:13:05 2015 No.7391539 File: 268 KB, 256x200, ts6JK.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7391152 >an pick up a bio/chem (stamp collecting) book and basically learn all I need over a weekend RIIIIGHT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:24:01 2015 No.7391566 File: 85 KB, 540x701, smbc2088.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7391035 pic related

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:39:38 2015 No.7391592 >>7391566 >tfw physics graduate student >tfw don't know why I do it anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:42:40 2015 No.7391601 >>7391592 :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:49:53 2015 No.7391618 >>7391481 Since homosexuality became more and more acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:01:24 2015 No.7391647 >>7391618 Bitter engineering reject

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:03:00 2015 No.7391652 >>7391618 There is actually a strong correlation between the spread of faggotry and the spread of engineering shitposters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:06:28 2015 No.7391666 >>7391566 This.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:09:13 2015 No.7391673 Because I want to learn math and physics, not dick sucking techniques and rounding pi to 4.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:15:36 2015 No.7391693 File: 3.98 MB, 2840x2628, you should be able to solve these its only engineering.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7391035 >Why would anyone study/major in physics in 2015? because they cant cut it in engineering. pic related

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:18:44 2015 No.7391701 >>7391566 le science is EBIN

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:20:00 2015 No.7391706 >>7391693 This tbh Engineering is for intelligent people. There's a reason why math and physics are so easy to get into

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:20:42 2015 No.7391708 >>7391693 These are literally physics problems. All people with a physics degree can do this, some people with an engineering degree can.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:21:30 2015 No.7391712 >>7391693 pls, these are just undergrad physics. >>7391566 This could apply to both engineering and physics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:22:10 2015 No.7391713 >>7391708 literally every problem is from an engineering course. >b-but engineering is plug-and-chug no, it's not and that's the point of that image

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:28:07 2015 No.7391724 >>7391706 That's not accurate. Math and physics are easy to get into because they are substantially less people entering into the programs, while everyone is trying to get a meme engineering degree for muh money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:33:35 2015 No.7391736 >>7391712 >pls, these are just undergrad physics. no

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:33:42 2015 No.7391738 >>7391706 >There's a reason why math and physics are so easy to get into Yeah, no one goes into them because everyone wants muh monies instead of knowledge for knowledge's sake.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:36:22 2015 No.7391744

>>7391706
I left engineering for math out of interest. I went into engineering because math and physics and realized it wasn't enough (god I sound like an autist). I kinda regret not double majoring in math and physics but whatever, I still had some fun in engineering and have electives from that degree now.

On a side note, my one engineering peer is insistent that my math degree being engineering except without labs, science, making shit or rather, engineering is a math degree with extra shit. I gave up on arguing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:37:34 2015 No.7391749 How can physics majors say engineering is a meme field when popsci is 95% physics? Tyson Cuckoo Sagan Hawkins All meme scientists Physics is LITERALLY a meme science

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:40:19 2015 No.7391750 >>7391749 >people made memes about physicists So? also, >implying Tyson and Sagan can be called "physicists" Astrophysics is an applied physics field

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:41:47 2015 No.7391753 >>7391749 /sci is a dickwaving contest. Nothing more, nothing less

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:26:36 2015 No.7391925 >>7391142 tips fedora

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:45:13 2015 No.7391952 it was hard and i liked it, got me a job

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:13:18 2015 No.7391987 Serious question If one became a physicist, what would their job actually be? I understand it's a loaded question, but a generalized answer is all that's needed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:15:36 2015 No.7391993 >>7391987 -academia -consultant -government labs /sci/ likes to pretend that the latter two don't exist and accordingly scream "NO JOBS" for some odd reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:15:55 2015 No.7391995 >>7391320 Same my school built the new math building next to the Physics labs just to connect them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:22:39 2015 No.7392010 >>7391693 I took many physics classes and switched my major at the end, and was so far in physics that I nearly had a degree in it. I cannot even start any of these problems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:25:35 2015 No.7392014 >>7391749 There are people who are charismatic and popular in every field. Physics is just particularly over the top. Also, the things I have read about Hawking suggest that he was genuinely great.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:36:46 2015 No.7392028

This is a very hyperbolic thread. Everyone who's shit talking math probably took, at best, some undergrad analysis, topology, or differential geometry and thinks "wow, all math must be this easy!" No offense, but you're entirely wrong.

To be blunt, and maybe a little mean, you're like kids who haven't even learned the entire alphabet yet. You're familiar with tiny corners of mathematics at best. There are entire continents, whole fields of mathematics, I doubt you've ever heard of. Every one of them is, just on a introductory level, so incredibly far beyond where you're at that it would take you years of formal study to even read papers about them. And the truth is that, for absolutely any pure mathematician worth his salt, the math involved in every single other field of science is child's play.

It's not to say that mathematicians are better or smarter, or even that they know the field-specific knowledge required to solve the problems. But math is their language, you're not throwing them something new. In face, the ways we use mathematics to describe the mechanics of the physical world as we know it constitutes a very, very small part of what math concerns itself with. To make a comparison, engineers may be very proficient English speakers, but mathematicians are polyglots who study linguistics.

Engineering is wonderful and useful and absolutely necessary for the world, but why pretend that it covers mathematics in a remotely comprehensive fashion? It doesn't, and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:41:20 2015 No.7392035 >>7392028 What would you say of someone who selectively took bits and pieces of modern mathematics and incorporated it into a new system? Would any of their "words" have novel meaning?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:41:20 2015 No.7392036

>>7391693
these are not terribly difficult problems m8

maybe you're all trolling or maybe it's vastly different at different universities but at Washington physics was by far the harder major. Most of those who graduated with me went into top graduate engineering programs with ease

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:50:53 2015 No.7392054 >>7391693 Dude the guy that installed my cable was an engineering major. Get off your high horse

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:55:57 2015 No.7392060

>>7392035
Depends what you mean by "a new system." Unless you're making new math, it's not going to be surprising to a mathematician. It might be really cool, but if it's application, then it'll just be a more constrained version of the mathematics via whatever parameters you choose/observe the system to have.

To frame it in an engineering situation, making a SUV after the invention of cars might be cool, but it's not all that interesting from a theoretical standpoint. Mathematicians think the application of math to other disciplines is cool as hell -- just look at economics. It's just that these new applications are not challenging from a mathematical standpoint. The challenge lies in the particular field of empirical science instead, which is why these things aren't particularly commensurable.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 13:35:22 2015 No.7393863

>>7391142
yes

also if you didnt even take a look at the syllabous before getting into it, youre very clearly better off not beeing there.

in germany universities ahve open enrollment for physics classes (because demand is low). and also a 45-50% dropout rate. and getting into grad school isnt competetive either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 13:40:44 2015 No.7393879 >>7393863 German engineering

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 13:48:42 2015 No.7393908

>>7391987
youve a wide variety of jobs to choose from. most of them dont have anything with physics in their title/description. generally your field will be complex coordination.
because in physics youre becoming the best at breaking things down as well as acquiring surpreme quantative reasoning.

coding is also popular. engineering level, not codemonkey.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 13:50:07 2015 No.7393913 >>7393908 What's the difference between coding monkey and engineer level?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 13:52:16 2015 No.7393919 >>7393913 proper understanding of algorithms and data structures vs. retarded ruby hipster/indian outsourcing guy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 13:53:25 2015 No.7393925 >>7393913 its like private and major codemonkey = write things others tell you to write. engineer = structural composition, algorithym design. also some sciency / hard to solve problems -- requires much more than translating things into code.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 14:32:02 2015 No.7394049 >>7391035 It like a good secondary degree.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 14:59:33 2015 No.7394134 so when you are at college and soneone asks what major, youcan say physics and when they reply mech engi or conp sci, you automatically feel superior and they will know this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 15:04:41 2015 No.7394154 >>7394134 no, they will know that you were rejected from their program lmfao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 15:18:19 2015 No.7394180 >>7394154 I'm starting to think you are some false flagging pure science cunt that got beat up by engineers so you're trying to start le engineers are retarded meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 15:25:09 2015 No.7394196 >>7394049 >how not to do physics

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 15:26:33 2015 No.7394198 >>7394180 No, I'm not. Everyone knows engineering programs are way more competitive than pure science

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 16:06:07 2015 No.7394320 >>7391713 >point of that image I get it, you're trying to show that engineering measures up to physics. But you do realize there's no way engineering > physics when the hardest thing about engineering is...the physics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 16:07:34 2015 No.7394324 >>7394320 >the hardest thing about engineering is...the physics it's not. try analyzing and designing a large, complex, nonlinear system and tell me its easier than deriving shit from first principles

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 16:11:25 2015 No.7394335 >>7394324 >deriving shit from first principles kek engineers only know highschool physics!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 16:13:10 2015 No.7394339 >>7394335 >cant derive pretty much everything he's learned from first principles ayy lmao we got a pleb among us

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 16:28:17 2015 No.7394380 >>7392028 What do you say about the physics major though?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 16:29:50 2015 No.7394385 >>7391469 >having an engineering program

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 17:06:07 2015 No.7394422

>>7394154
>>7394198
That's because engineering (and compsci) are meme degrees. Everyone has heard of them and start school thinking they can get in on the demand, make big bucks after they graduate, and live a good life. Meanwhile, physics is an unpopular major, so only those who really like it pursue it.
Which is good. It should stay that way. Keeps the quality up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 17:08:21 2015 No.7394429 File: 48 KB, 1066x252, nuke vs phys.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7394422 SJW tier delusion m8 >phys PhDs make what engr bachelors make

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 17:12:09 2015 No.7394432 >>7391275 Honestly being a professor at a community college seems like a pretty good gig. You get decent pay because you are union and generally you only have to teach 2-3 classes per semester, at least according to one CC professor I know.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 17:27:31 2015 No.7394451

>>7394429
Your point? Unless you're trying to prove mine.
Most people want to finish after four years and make 100k. It's great that that option exists. People like me who love research and want to get a PhD won't exactly be begging on the streets once we're done with school, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 09:21:02 2015 No.7395919 File: 50 KB, 616x391, bigthink-michio-kaku-brain-net-futureBCI-brain-computerinterfaces-video-e1349342122754.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7391035 To uncover the secrets of the universe, of course.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 09:27:31 2015 No.7395931 >>7394432 i looked up my 28 year old hot english teachers salary, here in cali, and her base pay was $91k! plus she had 10k in over time and 30k in benefits.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 09:41:51 2015 No.7395952

>>7394422
Physics is definitely the hipster meme degree rather than engineering to be honest. They are streamed from pop science channels and the Big Bang Theory sitcoms into that meme degree, most of those faggots drop out though, but while they're freshman their insufferable shiposting plagues the entire internet.

>>7394429
That's not "Physics PhDs" that's "Physicist", most physicists PhD holders are not employed under that title, some earn even more under other jobs like quants etc., others earn much less.

Also that's only what entry level engineers make, since DoL files "engineering manager" under a different profession, which means the switch to the much higher mid-career salaries are not included in the early career dataset for "nuclear engineers". "research engineers" etc. are also filed under different categories.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 09:47:43 2015 No.7395957

>>7391045
>there aren't many things that are better than solving a physics problem.
>but im shit at math so

This is the kind of retard actively shilling for Physics.

No, it's not a difficult field, house wives get physics degrees for fun, get over it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 09:53:42 2015 No.7395968 People study physics and math because they like physics and math. People study most types of engineering because they have an interest in the field. People study mechanical engineering because they're stupid, but they like money.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 09:56:24 2015 No.7395971

>>7391035
I'm doing it out of fascination. There's no other subject more intoxicating to me.

Also, having a physics major preps you for many other math inclined professions and opens the door to a lot of STEM professions.

It's like a owning a degree in the generality of engineering.

I'm planning on getting my Applied Physics BS, then doing graduate work for a Masters in Engineering (electrical, I'm thinking).

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:00:40 2015 No.7395977

>>7391064
>Plus I hate the labs and in general I hate computing things by hand.
Are you referring to just number crunching? Or are you talking about finding an actual value for a situation like, "Determine the charge over this conducting sphere?"

I just finished up my Multivariable course and I can't say that drawing 3-D graphs to find volumes of asymmetric shapes or other things like applying the Divergence Theorem to irregular masses was any better than "computing by hand."

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:03:34 2015 No.7395980

>>7391142
Are you serious?

Here's how things have usually gone down.

Math finds new methods, physics then takes said methods and applies it to phenomena, and the rest of the science world benefits. Everything came from math and physics, and physics didn't and doesn't exist without math.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:08:36 2015 No.7395990

>>7391243
>>7391333
It is engineering you frogposting wog. EP is a meme engineering degree we've all seen the curricula and it's been discussed to death on /sci/. It's like a watered down mechanical engineering with some easy intro to modern physics classes instead of more difficult control engineering, more detailed transfer processes, advanced machine thermodynamics and modelling etc.

I can understand people who want to do a Physics degree to eventually get their PhD and break into research.
I can understand people who want to do an engineering degree to break into engineering whether for money of a desire to design new things.
But if you study a meme degree like EP to try and break into engineering you're fucking retarded.

Also the vid is mostly film of women walking around trying to whore the fact that she's in engineering, don't bother.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:21:47 2015 No.7396006

>>7391539
He's has everythingology syndrome.

Years of being bombarded with vitriolic professors hiding in their academic hugbox from mean outside world have given them a unique arrogance where they honestly believe they can learn the entire field of chemistry in a weekend.

There is no cure I'm afraid. Just have to put him down.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:30:32 2015 No.7396015

>>7391744
I "respect your choice", but I don't understand people like you at all who think it's not enough when you haven't finished the programme yet. You keep learning (applied) math, including complex analysis, Z-calculus, new PDE solution methods etc. until your senior year.

But anyway my point is if you feel like you want to study analysis in more depth or set theory etc. why not just get a textbook and study it? Why do you need faculty to hold your hand? You could've gotten a more valuable degree and still switched in grad-school or whatever if you really feel like you want to be in academia.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:34:20 2015 No.7396019

>>7391993
Labs exists, but it's hard as fuck to get in and only 10% of Physics majors get in.

I don't think anyone is paid to consult as a physicists, consulting is usually for industries requiring specific engineering PE signatures etc.

Maybe outside STEM if you're doing very basic bitch math/programming for a company, otherwise if you're not in the industry no would pay you a consultant fee to sit around and study when they could just order their employees to do it.

Prove me wrong etc. though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:37:44 2015 No.7396023 >>7391035 Statistics, god tier major. Best of physics/math/engineering, but applicable to almost all real world problems.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:51:35 2015 No.7396036

>>7392010
Well of course not, Physics undergrad programmes don't touch that's stuff.

It's technically still "Physics", but for pedagogical purposes "engineering science" is a more accurate term since you wouldn't study transfer processes, applied thermodynamics etc. in such detail in an undergrad physics degree (which has more focus on breadth while going into more detail in modern physics etc.), and further more most modern developments in engineering science is done by researchers who hold engineering degrees.

>>7392028
>you're like kids who haven't even learned the entire alphabet yet. You're familiar with tiny corners of mathematics at best. There are entire continents, whole fields of mathematics, I doubt you've ever heard of.
Of course, now realize that you have this same perception about engineering and we might be able to clear up the butthurt once and for all. You haven't even heard of all the undergrad topics, never mind the countless postgrad topics.

>And the truth is that, for absolutely any pure mathematician worth his salt, the math involved in every single other field of science is child's play.
Sure, the problem is that it's not a math problem, it's not that you won't be able to manipulate the applied math it's that you won't be able to model the problem and write down the equation in the first place, and yes that would require "years of formal study" too. For engineers the math manipulations they generally do is "the easy part" for them too, not just for you. Realize that not everything on the planet is about understanding "the language of math" well and in fact sometimes requires new dialects and inventions and that you linguists wouldn't approve of, just like English isn't all that important for understanding science.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 10:56:53 2015 No.7396044 >>7396023 This

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 11:03:04 2015 No.7396057

>>7394422
>Keeps the quality up.
You're delusional.

There a thousand girls graduating each year in physics which they studied as a hobby while they look for a chad to marry and eventually teach high-school etc.

The Physics degree is not standardized. It's piss easy to get one if you attend a crappy college.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 11:09:43 2015 No.7396073

>>7395971
>There's no other subject more intoxicating to me.
This is fedora as fuck.
>Also, having a physics major preps you for many other math inclined professions and opens the door to a lot of STEM professions.
This is a myth, read more posts on /sci/ and Physics Forums, it opens the door to IT, teaching HS and gradschool, which you also could've gotten studying an technologist degree or similar.
>It's like a owning a degree in the generality of engineering.
This is just childishly naive.
>I'm planning on getting my Applied Physics BS, then doing graduate work for a Masters in Engineering (electrical, I'm thinking).
Kind of the wrong way round since you can't get a PE due to not having your b while a physics post grad is better for a research career than EE, but whatever it's not me who's taking a salary cut to do the same job. For future generations always do BEng --> MSc/MEng --> PhD.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 11:55:58 2015 No.7396175 >>7396073 >BEng I've never seen this, I've only seen BSc. Is there any real difference?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 12:12:36 2015 No.7396206 >>7391111 phallic digits confirm

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 12:15:05 2015 No.7396209 >>7396175 Britbong terms, ignore. BSc in engineering in the US is equivalent to a BEng degree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 12:50:53 2015 No.7396275 >>7396209 in canada an engineering is called a BASc at some schools (bachelor applied science) at some schools

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 12:52:50 2015 No.7396279 File: 145 KB, 393x391, 1435185787105.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7395990 >It's like a watered down mechanical engineering kek Well memed pleb. Very well memed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 12:54:01 2015 No.7396283 >>7396275 Syrup niggers have always had the most retarded names for degrees. One of their colleges still hands out MATH degrees iirc.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 20:02:18 2015 No.7397355
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>>7391152
>tfw can pick up a bio/chem (stamp collecting) book and basically learn all I need over a weekend

Yeah, no. Just reading a bunch of names of proteins and molecules and brief explanations isn't the same thing as understanding what actually goes on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 20:16:18 2015 No.7397381 >>7395990 I don't even think EP is ABET accredited.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 15 20:17:42 2015 No.7397385 >>7396006 I'm that guy. I did take a year of chem.

Anonymous Wed Jul 15 20:21:48 2015 No.7397397

>>7396057
>It's piss easy to get one if you attend a crappy college
Ok? Well I care about my future, so I attend a good college, and I'm doing physics.

>There a thousand girls graduating each year in physics which they studied as a hobby while they look for a chad to marry and eventually teach high-school etc
Lel. Can't verify this at my school, maybe it's true elsewhere, but it did make me laugh.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 00:26:56 2015 No.7398036 >>7397355 biochem is stampcollecting 101 lrn 2 organic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 00:28:17 2015 No.7398039 File: 311 KB, 1409x1979, 81WBZFUfGgL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7398036 DAE CLAYDENS ELEGIGGLE

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 00:32:43 2015 No.7398042 >>7391035 I majored in physics and got my degree in 2012. I am now teaching physics, chemistry, robotics at the high school level. It is p great tbh

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 02:16:15 2015 No.7398294 >>7391035 why would anyone do geology in 2015

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 02:39:41 2015 No.7398348 >>7398042 >physics majors teach dumb kids >engineers design cutting edge technology used for industry and research You have no reason to feel superior. You pathetic slime

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 04:15:22 2015 No.7398488

>>7391075
This. I often find myself puzzling over a worded explanation of something, but then I look for other explanations and find a mathematical description of it, then I try it out myself and everything makes sense.

I'm looking at you, Debye-Huckel theory.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 12:47:00 2015 No.7399216 File: 40 KB, 300x544, 1436886591118.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7391035 To teach highschool

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 12:48:25 2015 No.7399219 >>7399216 It's funny that physics majors talk about engineer's work being boring when we get to design novel things and physics majors teach algebra to dumb kids

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 12:52:43 2015 No.7399231 >>7399219 Shit, being in Med Skoo with BioE is the best decision I've ever made. It's everything but boring imo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 12:58:20 2015 No.7399240 I don't get why engineers are so obsessed with how much money they make. By that logic fucking investment bankers are better than any STEM fag.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:14:54 2015 No.7399259 >>7399240 >investment bankers Low end ones on wallstreet make ~$74k They only exist on wallstreet (Engies are everywhere) Become a neurologist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:23:42 2015 No.7399268 >>7397381 Some of them are, but they obviously aren't accredited for working in any specific industry so it's worthless, you can essentially only do basic bitch manufacturing with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:26:10 2015 No.7399272 >>7397397 Your ego is getting in the way of you comprehending that post. The point is to critique the fact that it is not standardized, so at most colleges with the low quality degrees it's a meme degree.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:29:17 2015 No.7399276 >>7399240 They aren't, you're the only one that thinks they care about money, the work is far more interesting because actually DOING something will all that knowledge is far more interesting than just studying it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:34:25 2015 No.7399282

>>7398348
/sci/ is a fucking joke.
You know that new 3D printer that prints 100x times faster, the one that comes out of a liquid interface?
Developed by two chemists and a theoretical physicist, now to be used by engineers everywhere.
Fucking engineers need to stop shitting on science majors, this is /sci/ not /eng/ for fuck's sake.

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:41:19 2015 No.7399302

>>7399272
>The point is to critique the fact that it is not standardized, so at most colleges with the low quality degrees it's a meme degree
You can say the same for every other non-trade course major though. No point in studying history at UC Riverside, you have to try for somewhere like Princeton to even matter. Science is at least objective. But I do agree, at shitty schools the profs just don't give a flip so they could give As to people who can't even multiply fractions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:50:40 2015 No.7399315 >>7399282 >Fucking engineers need to stop shitting on science majors First day on /sci/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 13:56:43 2015 No.7399329 >>7399315 No, actually. In my first days the science majors were shitting on engineers. What the hell happened?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 14:01:47 2015 No.7399344 >>7399329 people realized that phys/mathfags are actually just autistic and that engineers are the true master race get with the times sperg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 14:03:29 2015 No.7399348 I'm trying to understand how the world functions through mathematics

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:02:52 2015 No.7399521 >>7395919 *multiverse

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:25:29 2015 No.7399576 >>7399348 you're trying to be jobless

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:31:19 2015 No.7399586 How to get smart 1 study mathematics 2 play sports 3 pick up women 4 reed shit tone of books four steps is easy to understand

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:32:20 2015 No.7399588 How to get smart 1 study engineering 2 play sports 3 pick up women 4 reed shit tone of books four steps is easy to understand

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:42:19 2015 No.7399607 >>7391993 i actually got a job as an EE engineering is a meme degree confirmed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:43:51 2015 No.7399610 >>7399607 and engineers get jobs as physicists and shit too. /sci/ is retarded and thinks a degree in x = job as x dont listen to /sci/ ever

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:50:39 2015 No.7399626 >>7391566 This is purely the reason I'm studying science and anybody who gets into academics with the top reason is either a liar or in the wrong profession.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 15:50:48 2015 No.7399628 >>7396036 question 14 is literally a basic e&m problem and the others wouldn't be hard if you did a bit of background reading

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 16:22:18 2015 No.7399705 >>7399344 >>7399576 I get you're trolling, but literally fuck off. We're just doing what we want, not trying to persuade other people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 16:34:06 2015 No.7399736 >>7399633 This is the /sci/ I remember.

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 16:57:37 2015 No.7399788

Everyone I've ever known who's gone into physics or is thinking about it has a variation of the same reason; they really, really like it. Nobody goes into physics for money, very few go into it for approval or respect. People just have a passion for it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 17:45:15 2015 No.7399893

>>7396073
Actually, I'd been wavering on this idea for a while now. I'm only a rising sophomore in college so my opportunities are still open. I'm going to hopefully transfer to nearby engineering college and go from there. Hopefully in NucEng or EE.

Thank you for the blatancy and I'm sorry you saw all your opportunities go by.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 17:45:21 2015 No.7399894 >>7394422 > meme degrees god my sides.

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 18:08:14 2015 No.7399932

People in physics seem to actually enjoy the subject, while engineering is becoming flooded with dudebros and anyone who did slightly above average in highschool because STEM is being pushed so hard (most of these types eventually drop out, giving engineering its "hardest major" stereotype)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 18:09:47 2015 No.7399935 >>7391035 If they're outstanding they can go into research. If they're good they can work somewhere in the industry and make a buttload of money If they're not good they should study something else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 18:49:51 2015 No.7400030 >>7398039 That book is fucking massive

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 20:32:38 2015 No.7400346 >>7399932 >STEM is being pushed so hard this is a good thing tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 20:33:38 2015 No.7400350 >>7400346 You're a good thing, though.

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 21:02:15 2015 No.7400406

>>7395980
Not really. Physics drives mathematics.
It goes more like: problem arises, physicists come up with some hack way of solving the mathematical model (usually involving a lot of ignoring most terms, with a lot of unlike-mathematics lack of rigor), and then mathematicians in an effort to prove or disprove the model/approach add the rigor generalize the approach.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 22:09:50 2015 No.7400556 >>7398348 Ha I never said I felt superior to anyone. I just said I got a physics degree, now I am a teacher, and I am happy with my career choice. y u so mad?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 22:12:42 2015 No.7400563 >>7391320 Strathy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 22:42:39 2015 No.7400612 >>7400556 >>7400556 what was your GPA?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 22:51:07 2015 No.7400626 >>7400563 Don't know what that is, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 23:04:00 2015 No.7400654 >>7400612 I graduated summa cum laude with a 3.9. Granted it was a public state university so I don't know if that lessens my accomplishment but I was happy.

Anonymous Thu Jul 16 23:06:22 2015 No.7400660

>>7396036

>>7392028 addressed both things you brought up, dude.

>Engineering is wonderful and useful and absolutely necessary for the world, but why pretend that it covers mathematics in a remotely comprehensive fashion? It doesn't, and there's nothing wrong with that.

>It's not to say that mathematicians are better or smarter, or even that they know the field-specific knowledge required to solve the problems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 23:12:20 2015 No.7400672 File: 62 KB, 297x508, 1432345086179.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw have physics degree from MIT and unemployed

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 23:13:09 2015 No.7400675 >>7400672 post pic of your student card

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 23:19:13 2015 No.7400695 >>7391035 long pause....... Y O U R E U H F U C K I N A S S H O L E

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 23:32:15 2015 No.7400750 >>7400406 A little from both (e.g. Riemman) Math drives physics and viceversa.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 16 23:46:38 2015 No.7400788 >>7398039 is that the one that introduces function groups using nmr spectra? How autistic

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