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Anonymous Wed May 27 09:55:38 2015 No.7289519 [Reply] [Original]

I'm posting this on /pol, /b and /sci
I'm hoping to get varying results.
What do we think about the tesla conspiracy. My brother was just going on about it and I tried convincing him that there's now way that much information could get leaked. So /sci from the technical aspect of this, what would be the level of possibility for the tesla inventions? Could he have built a death ray in 1880?
https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1GIWA_enAU628AU628&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=tesla+lab+destroyed+fbi&spell=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_Broadcast_Tower_1904.jpeg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._P._Morgan#Unsuccessful_ventures
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/destruction-tesla-laboratory-fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_electricity
http://vault.fbi.gov/nikola-tesla/nikola-tesla-part-01-of-01/view

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 09:57:15 2015 No.7289520 File: 127 KB, 713x656, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7289519 >/pol/ >/b/ >grouped with /sci/ Leave now

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 09:58:38 2015 No.7289522 >>7289520 Here is your answer

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 09:58:43 2015 No.7289523 >>7289519 This is not a good place to post it if you are looking for validation of your argument through Science. We are not /b/ or /pol/ although admittedly there have been a bunch of leaks (like you). Please don't ask again.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 10:02:17 2015 No.7289527 >>7289523 Wow... I mean..... you were just so.... nice to me? Is that what that was? I guess I thought... I don't know I'm just going to leave now.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 10:14:10 2015 No.7289538 >>7289519 >Could he have built a death ray in 1880? No.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 10:54:23 2015 No.7289588 >>7289523 >This is not a good place to post it if you are looking for validation of your argument through Science AbsoFuckingLutely right.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 11:09:30 2015 No.7289607

>>7289519
Tesla is the crowned king of meme science.

The few actual contributions he made to society were just continuing the work of previous scientists. That's completely fine, of course, because successive collaboration is the foundation of scientific progress, but he doesn't deserve the idiotic amounts of praise that get heaped on him. He was also a pathological liar. Read through his notebooks: they're filled to the brim of elaborate descriptions of experiments he clearly never did and wild claims of his abilities, like his "I built a tiny earthquake device that almost leveled a city" bullshit or his "I could split the world in half in an instant if I wanted" horseshit. For every real contribution he made, there are ninety nine pure fabrications.

So why is so fucking popular? Because he appeals to both science-worshipping autistics and scientifically-illiterate idiots, both of whom are highly active on the internet. The former group likes him because he's everything they aspire to be — single-minded, asexual, completely devoted to science, unable to communicate or interactive with others, etc. — and also because people like that absolutely live for contrarianism. They'll desperately cling to anything that makes them seem smarter than the average person ("oh you think edison is important?"). The latter group likes him because he spent 90% of his time sitting around making heaps of vague statements about energy and vibration that sound 2deep4me, but have no actual meaning whatsoever. Through the constant barrage of shitty memes about him, anybody in the middle ground who spends time on the internet gets so much exposure that they start to like him, too.

Fuck Tesla and fuck the idiots who would suck his dick if he hadn't chopped it off so he could focus on his pseudoscience.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 11:19:36 2015 No.7289621

>>7289607
Tesla was also a bit of a retard, he rejected the ideas of the electron, atom and relativity. Moreover he had a pre atomic and pre Maxwellian world view, there's no wonder he couldn't build a fucking radio.

Tesla did one thing, and that thing was to create a commercially viable polyphase motor. One thing he didn't do was to "invent AC", AC had existed since at least Faradays time.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 11:43:29 2015 No.7289653 File: 133 KB, 513x789, OliverHeaviside.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tesla is a fag. Heaviside is the real deal.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 11:49:24 2015 No.7289660 >>7289653 Heaviside was indeed a boss.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 11:56:18 2015 No.7289667

>>7289621
Tesla disregarded relativity and quantum physics in their entirety, dismissing them as funny math with no physical meaning.

... Tesla who himself never developed a physical theory and whose publications are devoid of any mathematics more difficult than trigonometry.

Tesla was a brilliant inventor but a shitty scientist.

Also Edison gets way too much crap. The internet likes to portray him as some kind of corporate satan but he was a brilliant inventor himself and more importantly understood how to make research collaborative and commercially viable. Edison's model for Menlo Park has been employed by national laboratories and major corporate labs ever since.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 11:59:24 2015 No.7289672 >>7289607 You can also put blame on The Oatmeal for this one too.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:01:13 2015 No.7289673 >>7289667 He did torture elephants though

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:08:00 2015 No.7289679 >>7289673 The elephants had it coming.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:12:06 2015 No.7289688 >>7289653 Is this a new meme?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:15:40 2015 No.7289695 >>7289688 New? I thought there's at least one person making threads about Heaviside and trying to Milhouse him every now and then. For at least a while now.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 12:18:22 2015 No.7289700
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>>7289607
>wild claims of his abilities, like his "I built a tiny earthquake device that almost leveled a city" bullshit or his "I could split the world in half in an instant if I wanted" horseshit.
So Tesla was a Chuuni?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:22:05 2015 No.7289704 >>7289700 Quite possibly.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:25:43 2015 No.7289712 File: 30 KB, 256x256, 1431705050610.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pseudo-intellectualism, the thread

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:37:42 2015 No.7289730 >>7289673 His company aided in killing it (and that kind of sucks), but they didn't fucking torture it. Of all the ways to die, getting instantly blasted with thousands of volts is probably the quickest.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 12:53:30 2015 No.7289752 >>7289607 >Tesla is the crowned king of meme science. 3 phase motors pure genius, iconoclastic breakthrough your troll is fail

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Anonymous Wed May 27 12:56:37 2015 No.7289757
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>>7289667
>importantly understood how to make research collaborative and commercially viable

Edison was, morally, a Satan, he stole from his people
He tried to steal from Tesla
Eventually, his benefactors stole from Westinghouse and Tesla

Edison *was* a genius in creating an Invention Factory, and making inventions pay commercially.
in that way, he was a man of his time, a cocksucker of the Robber Barons.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 13:10:56 2015 No.7289777

>>7289752
Not the only person to invent them, although you could argue he did it best.

But good job, you named one fucking thing. Give me something else useful he did, and don't fall back on the "muh AC," because that's pure bullshit. In the succession of scientists who developed viable AC current, Tesla was neither the first, the last, or the most important.

>pure genius
Except for spewing easily disproved bullshit 99.99% of the time about aether and the falseness of atomic theory.

>iconoclastic
Who gives a shit? That alone doesn't make someone great.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 13:31:36 2015 No.7289823

>>7289757
Newsflash - this is how research and development worked for centuries before and continues to work today.

Patron hires you to do research.
Patron pays you a handsome salary and gives you all sorts of funding and fancy toys to do research with and develop new products.
Any new shit you develop becomes the property of our patron to do with as they please
You're reasonably compensated and start a new project.
Repeat

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:40:52 2015 No.7290205 >>7289730 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_chair#Decline

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:44:18 2015 No.7290208 >>7289823 Except tesla died penniless. Does that sound like a reasonable compensation to you?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:46:08 2015 No.7290215 >>7289653 >you will never be as good of a human being as Oliver Heaviside's Feels bad man.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:47:20 2015 No.7290218 >>7290208 That was his own fault, though. It's not like he didn't get any money.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:50:04 2015 No.7290224 >>7289757 Except none of that is accurate. Maybe you shouldn't get your history exclusively from webcomics.

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Anonymous Wed May 27 17:53:34 2015 No.7290232

>>7290218
>That was his own fault, though. It's not like he didn't get any money.

Indeed, Tesla was actually paid a huge amount. He also spent a huge amount. And when you don't produce anything of value in the last 40 years of your life, that means you don't get to die super rich.

But he wasn't "penniless." At the time of his death he was living in a fancy hotel in Manhattan.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:54:00 2015 No.7290235 >>7290208 >literal handful of inventions he has a clear and undeniable right to of course he died penniless, he didnt do shit except fuck around in his garage

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:22:44 2015 No.7290414 >>7290205 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsy_%28elephant%29#Execution It literally says that the elephant died painlessly within 10 seconds.