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Anonymous Mon May 25 14:09:36 2015 No.7285066 [Reply] [Original]

Disadvantages and problems with Ivy League thread?

Curious about people who have attended Ivy League schools at any level. Have you had good experiences? Bad experiences?

Are there particular features of Ivy League schools that you find to be uniquely poor?

I'm a student who has just graduate from another school in Philadelphia. Most of the professors in my field jumped ship to my school from Penn because they hated the administration and culture. A friend of mine who is there for undergrad hates everyone's attitude. Are there similar situations elsewhere?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:27:54 2015 No.7285109 >>7285066 >Are there particular features of Ivy League schools that you find to be uniquely poor? all of them. if bush jr. or obama can graduate from them, they're shit and they only care about how much money you're gonna fork over

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:32:26 2015 No.7285123 >>7285066 >Goes to ivy league school >Spends time browsing 4chan pick one and only one

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:33:04 2015 No.7285125 >>7285109 I don't think that's necessarily true. I've heard of many people attending Ivy League schools on full financial support on the basis of their family income. A friend of mine does this.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:34:04 2015 No.7285128 >>7285123 I really doubt that. It isn't some special amount of time investment to go on 4chan over, say, facebook.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:34:23 2015 No.7285131 >>7285125 >on the basis of their family income so how much money you can fork over

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:36:07 2015 No.7285136 >>7285131 No as in the school gives them a full ride and they don't pay anything.

Anonymous Mon May 25 14:38:36 2015 No.7285143

>>7285066
I attended Columbia for one year on an exchange program for my home university in Europe. Level-wise or content wise, I can't say there are a lot of differences between Columbia and my home university, which is, by some rankings, ranked from 60 to 90 globally. The biggest difference I found is the kind of students and staff you'll find. I had the general feeling that everyone was more motivated and enthusiastic about what they were doing than people at home (which doesn't have such a selective entry). I also found that people attached way more importance to networking/ being in the right social circles, than at home. At times, that got really tedious for me, as people could go on and on in a self-glorifying way about how "amazing" this college experience was.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:39:17 2015 No.7285145 >>7285136 according to what? standardized tests?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:42:00 2015 No.7285149 >>7285145 Low income <40k a year and ultra high scores and grades with the low income.

Anonymous Mon May 25 14:43:57 2015 No.7285153

>>7285145

It's just need-based. As in a family that has a low income is given financial aid by the school (Not loans, midn you.)

>>7285143
Did you feel that many of your peers at Columbia attempted to use networking over hard work to accomplish their goals? Things like chatting up professors and TAs or people who are in charge of granting scholarships?

Anonymous Mon May 25 14:44:23 2015 No.7285155
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I chose not to go into the ivies and chose Tufts University instead best choice I ever made, my friend went to Harvard, just down the road, for physics as well and he only talked about how terrible people were there, whereas I feel like Tufts made me a better person and really set me up for grad school and job prospects.

Anonymous Mon May 25 14:45:55 2015 No.7285159

>>7285149
except we know that high scores are bullshit

i literally had to help someone with their online math class quiz last week and the question was an amphiboly.

"There is a recipe that calls for 4/5 of a cup of flour, and so-and-so has 5/7 of a cup of flower. How much does so-and-so have to use?"

all of it and he still won't have enough. for whatever reason the answer was to multiply both of them.

high scores and grades are compromised. standardized tests are owned by corporations.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:46:36 2015 No.7285161 >>7285155 >u a jumbo m8? Curious, did you stay there for grad school or did you go elsewhere? I heard they try to entice students to stay there after graduating.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:50:00 2015 No.7285172 >>7285159 You know academia is a lot of bullshit anyway, right?

Anonymous Mon May 25 14:50:52 2015 No.7285177

>>7285159
If you cant understand that problem how're you tutoring? You compare fractions easier by giving them the same base so you multiply by a more complex version of one to each fraction resulting in no change to the absolute value but making it easier to compare.

Anonymous Mon May 25 14:54:24 2015 No.7285187

>>7285161
Yeah I'm a Jumbo.
They did say they would consider my application in a favorable light, but I chose not too, I love Tufts, it is one of the best schools out there if you're not an autist and want to be cultured. But I wanted to get out of Medford/Somerville/Cambridge area and see a different part of the world.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:55:18 2015 No.7285188 >>7285177 look up the word "amphiboly" please. 4/5 is more than 5/7

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 14:59:49 2015 No.7285197 >>7285188 I know what a vague wording is, besides all you'd need to say to answer is all 5/7 and 3/35 more.

Anonymous Mon May 25 15:00:01 2015 No.7285199

>>7285153
>Did you feel that many of your peers at Columbia attempted to use networking over hard work to accomplish their goals? Things like chatting up professors and TAs or people who are in charge of granting scholarships?

Well, hard for me to tell, since the uni I came from, my average class size ranged somewhere from 30 people minimum to several hundred for some general courses. Consequently I'm not used to having close contact with any professor. In Columbia though the groups were considerably smaller, and the classes were organized in a way that everyone did the reading before the class started, so during class hours it was just basically discussing the materials. So logically, you get more in touch with professors etc. But I'm a continental European, maybe this kind of shit is more common in Anglosaxon universities in general. The only times I've really talked to my professor here was when I was working on my thesis..

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 15:09:43 2015 No.7285216 File: 41 KB, 600x474, phd051815s.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] See image. Yes MIT isn't Ivy League, but It's that special extra bit of unwarranted ego that makes Ivies what they are.

Anonymous Mon May 25 15:40:18 2015 No.7285275

>>7285123
Nope, we are here. I went to Penn. Great time, Liked most of the people around me. Only concern is everybody was liberal, except for the business school kids who sometimes were these weird "proto-bankers". So the liberal English/ gender studies kids would be jealous/ spiteful of the business school kids who would look down on them, while the STEM kids didn't give a shit. But that is looking at it in an extreme way, as everybody mingled and took classes across all four schools anyway.

>>7285066
Most people really liked Penn. It has a graduation rate of like 95%. Some fields kind of suck, like the Math department is known to be pretty subpar. History is top tier, pre med is crazy good, and the business school and related sciences, like Econ, are also better than average. What does your friend not like about it?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 15:42:14 2015 No.7285281 >>7285066 I went to Brown OP. I wouldn't recommend it, the other students were kind of assholes and the professord seemed mostly preoccupied with their research.

Anonymous Mon May 25 15:57:49 2015 No.7285316

>>7285275

OP here.

>Most people really liked Penn. It has a graduation rate of like 95%. Some fields kind of suck, like the Math department is known to be pretty subpar. History is top tier, pre med is crazy good, and the business school and related sciences, like Econ, are also better than average. What does your friend not like about it?

My friend is in nursing. Doesn't like the other nursing students for the most part.

Also for some reason a sizable chunk of computational biophysics at Penn moved here a few years ago. Something to do with the administration and not liking their department overall (Chemistry dept. for the most part I think.) Any idea?

I'm pretty sure I mostly hear bad things about Penn because I was at Temple.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:24:01 2015 No.7285363 Interestingly enough, a guy I know who was there for law school left after a we!ester because of the people and atmosphere there. What is so bad about it?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:36:00 2015 No.7285400 >>7285363 He seriously didn't last even one whole we!ester?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:37:04 2015 No.7285405 >>7285400 Oh, my mistake, you said he only lasted one we!ester, still though.

Anonymous Mon May 25 16:42:33 2015 No.7285431

>>7285066
harvard here

>Advantages
Access to the biggest names and best people in your field (because everyone comes to us to guest lecture, etc), access to the libraries (at least one of which is open 24 hours/day during the semester; usually Lamont, sometimes Cabot), possible to walk to MIT and take classes there, possible to live in the science center for days at a time, extremely nice gyms, prestige

>Disadvantages
There is no creature on this planet more intolerable than a Harvard freshman. They got into Harvard, so their egos are gargantuan, and it takes a full school year for them to appreciate that they are now surrounded on all sides by their equals & betters. The administration is byzantine, ancient, and frustrating to deal with. The campus is swarming with tourists every day, all day; sometimes special tour groups are even allowed into the buildings to gawk.

You won't enjoy Harvard unless you're part of the top 0.01% of students: extremely bright, workaholic, socially adept, fit, and ambitious. The student body is not selected based solely on quality of academics; there are no fat people, no basement-dwellers, no outcasts, no "potential future unabomber" types, and no /pol/ types. If you've spent your whole life being the one kid who knew all of the answers and always had their hand raised, welcome to being surrounded on all sides by that kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:48:31 2015 No.7285457 >>7285066 they all suck for engineering except for cornell

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:52:29 2015 No.7285471 >>7285431 Yale here. I pretty much agree with that post.

Anonymous Mon May 25 16:55:08 2015 No.7285486

>>7285457
Actually Harvard, Yale and Princeton have amazing engineering departments. They're small, but the best at what they do.

Penn has the GRASP lab which is one of the best robotics labs in the country. It's other engineering labs are not as notable.

So really, it's just Brown and Dartmouth who suck at engineering, then again you don't go to those schools to study engineering.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:55:44 2015 No.7285488 >>7285457 >safety school of the ivies

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:56:35 2015 No.7285494 >>7285431 >there are no fat people, no basement-dwellers, no outcasts, >no "potential future unabomber" types didn't...didn't the Unabomber go to Harvard?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 16:58:59 2015 No.7285506 >>7285494 No

Anonymous Mon May 25 16:59:50 2015 No.7285511

>>7285431

>possible to live in the science center for days at a time

What do you mean? I'll be over at MIT next year, so I'm curious about whether there's any advantage at all to the proximity to Harvard. I think as an MIT student I can get library access, or something, but that's pretty mundane.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:01:03 2015 No.7285515 >>7285494 Yes. A while back, maybe 2 years ago, he stirred up some shit when he logged on to the Harvard alumni page and answered "What are you doing these days?" with something along the lines of "serving a life sentence".

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:01:27 2015 No.7285516 >>7285471 I assumed that the other Ivies would have a similar environment, but it's nice to confirm. Essentially, if all you care about is STEM, you're better off elsewhere. You don't attend an Ivy for the academics, you attend it for the people.

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:03:42 2015 No.7285527

>>7285511

New BU grad student here.

As I understand it Harvard and MIT share courses at both undergrad and grad level. Additionally, I think Harvard and MIT jointly oversee the Whitehead and Broad Institutes.

BU, Harvard, and MIT all share their computational biology resources to some extent.

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:09:45 2015 No.7285550

>>7285506
>Kaczynski was born and raised in Evergreen Park, Illinois. While growing up in Evergreen Park he was a child prodigy, excelling academically from an early age. Kaczynski was accepted into Harvard University at the age of 16, where he earned an undergraduate degree.

Yes he did you dumb cuck. Full blown Harvard intelligence on display I see.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:10:46 2015 No.7285553 >>7285550 Sorry, for some reason I thought he was at Stanford but I confused him for that guy who was working on his PhD for 19 years and killed his adviser.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:18:11 2015 No.7285573 >>7285553 >working on his PhD for 19 years and killed his adviser ???

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:19:18 2015 No.7285575

>>7285511

The Science Center building is open 24/7; the cafeteria inside the building serves edible fresh food, there are vending machines in the basement, and the couches in the library are excellent for sleeping on. The library bathrooms are not accessible to the public, so they're clean enough to wash up in. If you need to hole up for a few days to finish something, there's always a classroom somewhere in the building you can monopolize.

If you're in MIT, though, you'll have all that and more on your campus. It's possible to get to nearly every MIT building via underground corridor. Harvard is also bitchy about letting non-Harvard students use their things, so you'll have to carry around proof of enrollment to get anywhere.

Honestly if you want to sleep in a Harvard library you should go to the secret fourth floor of Sever Hall and sleep in the film library. It's tiny, it's quiet, and they have the best couch.

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:19:43 2015 No.7285576

Education system in general is fucked because they let in the same fucking corporate dickriding that makes CEOs earn millions of dollars for showing up and then leaving.

And they did this because states cut funds. So state and private schools now are very concerned about the resources of their alumni.

Ivy Leagues predominantly let in those at the tip top of the socioeconomic hierarchy and then a token selection of full rides.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:24:44 2015 No.7285602 >>7285573 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Streleski this guy

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:25:12 2015 No.7285606 >>7285575 Well, I'm not too set on trying to bum around in Harvard, but it's nice to know what's possible. I don't really know anything since I've been in Cambridge for like 40 hours for the open house.

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:26:12 2015 No.7285609

>>7285494

Yes. It's why they're extra-careful to weed out anyone who seems unsavory before letting them in. They weren't always so focused on selecting well-adjusted people; the fact that the unabomber went here was seen as a disgrace to the university.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:28:29 2015 No.7285614 >>7285606 MIT has lots of very fun things to do. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:30:18 2015 No.7285621 >>7285602 Spending 20 years struggling for your doctorate must require a bizarre combination of stubbornness and desperation that I'm not surprised he was screwed up enough to do that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:33:46 2015 No.7285635 >>7285609 Oh, I see! But graduates that go on to be sociopathic politicians that cause thousands of deaths all over the glove are a cause for celebration.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:36:03 2015 No.7285646 >>7285621 I'm not even surprised either. I can't imagine putting up with being a doctoral student for 20 years. Most students I hear who hate being at Stanford drop out.

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:36:36 2015 No.7285647

>>7285606

Welcome to Cambridge!

Cheapest groceries: take the red line to Alewife & walk to the Trader Joe's (opposite the massive Whole Foods). There's a 24-hour grocery on Church Street, but it's stupidly expensive.

Ihop (sometimes open 24/7 on busy weekends): just past Charlie's Kitchen (the bar) & the comic book shop, it's well hidden but worth it.

The Garage also has a burger/bar joint that seems to be open ~24/7 (it's been open every time I walked by it at 4AM or so); they have a $10 "starving student" special if you bring your ID.

last but not least, Insomnia Cookies delivers freshly-baked cookies until 3AM.

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:39:39 2015 No.7285660

>>7285647

>Cheapest groceries: take the red line to Alewife & walk to the Trader Joe's (opposite the massive Whole Foods). There's a 24-hour grocery on Church Street, but it's stupidly expensive.

Why not the Trader Joe's by the highway between Pleasant Street and Magazine Street? You don't need to go to Alewife.

There's an amazing Microcenter right next to it, too.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:42:43 2015 No.7285667 >>7285660 >>7285647 Is trader joes really the best option? How much do you tend to spend on groceries in the area anyway? I won't actually be moving until September-ish, when I'll have to suddenly have to learn to live there.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:44:31 2015 No.7285671 >>7285667 It's just cheaper. Coming from Philly the groceries at the Shaws (star market) that's just by MIT aren't all that much more expensive than the typical grocery store here.

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:46:28 2015 No.7285678

>>7285660

We may be talking about the same store; the one I'm thinking of is right off the highway, it's just that Alewife is the closest stop.

>>7285635

In public? Yes.

Within the university, the students at the government school are viewed as bottom-of-the-barrel illiterates.

Since Harvard is "the top", the only hierarchy anyone cares about is between the various colleges of the university itself. We barely remember that Yale exists. (Apologies, Yale anon.)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:49:31 2015 No.7285684 >>7285667 with a thrifty budget and no meal plan I spent about $40/week on groceries

Anonymous Mon May 25 17:50:27 2015 No.7285690

>>7285678

I'm talking about this one:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Trader+Joe%27s/@42.357406,-71.114546,17z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1scambridge+trader+joe%27s!3m1!1s0x0000000000000000:0x3e0c8ffd61917b4e

I think you're talking about this one:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Alewife+Station,+Alewife+Brook+Pkwy,+Cambridge,+MA+02140/Trader+Joe%27s,+Alewife+Brook+Parkway,+Cambridge,+MA/@42.3926585,-71.1435377,16z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e377064e74f891:0x4cf299ec4091e785!2m2!1d-71.141887!2d42.395591!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e3770a3d592e39:0xbafc5c9c5352ca01!2m2!1d-71.143445!2d42.390112

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 17:53:05 2015 No.7285699 >>7285690 ah, you're correct. Thank you

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:01:29 2015 No.7285713 >>7285684 Not that bad, then. Housing prices suck dicks, though, compared to what I'm used to.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:02:48 2015 No.7285715 >>7285678 You mean your fake res college system copied from Yale?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:03:33 2015 No.7285718 >>7285602 >>7285621 He should have switched to a different advisor or transferred out of Stanford but honestly, after 17 years, I probably would have done the same. I have to wonder what the hell his advisor thought would happen.

Anonymous Mon May 25 18:08:09 2015 No.7285726

>>7285718
By the sound of the wikipedia that guy was his advisor for only a short time. I'd wonder more why Stanford would let him continue on for that long, if you don't get your PhD done in under a fucking decade you probably aren't on the right track anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:11:40 2015 No.7285738 >>7285726 Yeah, I saw that after looking at the page for the guy he murdered. He shouldn't have been admitted to the doctoral program in the first place, imo, or at least he should have been dismissed

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:21:33 2015 No.7285762 >>7285159 >flower is this some fucking unfunny meme or you are simply analphabetic

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:26:36 2015 No.7285771 >tfw got good sat score >tfw good grades >tfw minority I only applied to my state schools and I got a full ride. But I will always regret not having gone to a prestigious institution.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:37:05 2015 No.7285802 Why would you even agree to advise someone for that fucking long. I would kick that faggot out in shame after 5 years...eh, 8 years TOPS.

Anonymous Mon May 25 18:42:06 2015 No.7285820

>>7285771
>But I will always regret not having gone to a prestigious institution.
Please don't, anon. The big name business schools are already losing prestige to major public schools because normies are doing a great job of putting themselves out there and making the best of their situation. You can be a small part of helping your field do that too.

Anonymous Mon May 25 18:54:37 2015 No.7285845

>>7285820
Thanks anon. I just want to do science. It's unfortunate that your institution plays a somewhat important role in your ability to go to a better graduate school. My family was sick and I had to take on a job to support them. I got a couple of B's and two drops (from working too much) and am finishing up with close to a 3.9. I just hope I get into a great ranked school for opportunities.

Anonymous Mon May 25 18:54:39 2015 No.7285846

>>7285066
I went to Princeton on a scholarship, I'm from outside of the US.

There wasn't any actual pressure to work yourself to breaking point but everyone did and I remember a few casualties of that. That was the only major downside. I only got an undergraduate degree (job offer in my final year) so I can't really say what the graduate program was like.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 18:56:30 2015 No.7285850 >>7285846 Casualties? In your class?

Anonymous Mon May 25 18:58:28 2015 No.7285857

>>7285678
>Since Harvard is "the top", the only hierarchy anyone cares about is between the various colleges of the university itself. We barely remember that Yale exists.

That mentality can't possibly be healthy. How do you survive in such an environment ?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:03:02 2015 No.7285865 >>7285857 Middle class Americans do it all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:03:36 2015 No.7285867 >>7285275 >STEM kids didn't give a shit. Uh, STEM majors tend to be very liberal. A lot are socialists, in my experience.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:04:18 2015 No.7285868 >>7285527 What do you think of BU?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:05:55 2015 No.7285870 From a middle-middle class perspective, everyone I've met from Cambridge or Oxford have been utter twats.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:06:36 2015 No.7285872 >>7285868 I absolutely love BU. I wanted to come here for well over a year and had initially planned on only sending my grad school application to this school. I only applied to other schools at the behest of my adviser and parents.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:09:05 2015 No.7285876 >>7285872 What department? I'm probably applying there for physics since some of the work there in CMT is interesting to me, but I'm a little concerned about their "ranking"

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:10:39 2015 No.7285882 >>7285850 people dropping out due to stress. in saying that there was an extensive help network available if you were in trouble that way, as I was at one point during my studies.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:17:29 2015 No.7285895

>>7285876

Oh cool! I'm in the Chemistry department, but I'll be taking some classes in Physics this Fall. I'm in computational & theoretical chemistry and mostly work with stat. mech.

As I understand it BU only recently started participating in school rankings. BU's physics department is pretty well-established as a strong department, rankings aside.

Additionally, at least in the Chem department, we don't have cumes. The only thing you really need aside from concentrate on your research is to do is get decent grades in your grad classes and pass your 2 year evaluation.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:21:12 2015 No.7285898

>>7285870

Meh. What can I say? Most people here are pretty nice, but a fair portion have that bit of smug self-satisfaction. Partly from being so young and trying so hard just to be here, it's hard not to feel good about it. However, I will say that people kind of see what they expect to see. I will reiterate that the vast majority of people I've met here have been nice, much more so than the other places I've been.

Some lecturers/fellows/whatever make a big deal out of it and want to keep reminding you how great this place is. Which is annoying, but at least it's not everyone. Currently I'm supposed to be studying for exams in which I'll probably do average to shitty, the thing is that the worst that could happen is that I wouldn't be here next year and currently that seems like the better option. However, that's mostly due to me and not Cambridge.

I have met some absolute twats and those are usually the people who do really well and have been told they do really well all their lives and do 5 sports, only get firsts and did all the clubs and apprenticeships. Or I should say, the people who like to tell you that they did all that. There's decent people who do well but don't bring it out at every opportunity.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:26:06 2015 No.7285908

How did you Massachusetts-attenders deal with moving? The housing market in Boston/Cambridge seems to suck ass. I didn't get university housing, so I think my best bet is to try to visit later this summer and find room for rent to sign up for for when the academic year starts. I can't move there in advance, I don't have the money, but everyone tells me the market moves fast, so it's preferable not to show up at the last minute and hope you can find something to rent that isn't crap.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:28:20 2015 No.7285915

>>7285316
Ah I figured you were at Drexel. Nursing is the odd man out. There are I think only 400 total nurses out of 10k undergrads and because of their program requires lots of hospital work, nobody ever gets to interact with them. I don't know a single nurse, nor did I meet one.

All I know about Temple is your area sucks. Ours has been gentrified pretty well.

No idea about the Biophysics, as I was history and econ. But all college administration is terrible, so spats between professors and administrators can happen anywhere.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:31:00 2015 No.7285920

>>7285867
In my experience it was because they couldn't debate well because they didn't know any facts or figures. They didn't pay attention to news or know talking points. Just had general "feelings" on how things should be.

With exceptions of course, all the pre-med students had to know the new healthcare laws very well because of med school interviews bringing them up.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:35:11 2015 No.7285933

>>7285915

>All I know about Temple is your area sucks. Ours has been gentrified pretty well.

I fucking hate this hellhole. It's seriously awful. I'm leaving in a couple days to move to Cambridge. Can't wait.

I dunno. The most famous guy who left is the dean of the College of Science and Technology now.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:35:45 2015 No.7285934

Never went to Ivy League but did attend the British version called the Russel Group. There are many disadvantages, professors are too wrapped up in their big name research to care about you and everyone is a posh twat. Hated it dropped out and never looked back. I wouldn't attend the likes of Oxford or Harvard if they paid me.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:40:06 2015 No.7285946 >>7285066 Not an Ivy, but Uchicago here. It's alright, but there are too many liberals and the classes basically promote communism.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:41:54 2015 No.7285953

The way I see it, you go to Ivy leagues to network, that's the real benefit. You join some fraternity or "secret" society that dates back to the 19th century and you get mad hookups and influence. When you're surrounded by a couple other dozen dudes with extremely wealthy and respected families, good things are bound to happen for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 19:51:45 2015 No.7285967 >>7285908 Allston & Watertown aren't insanely pricey, it's just a commute. (And it's a ghetto, but whatever.) Look for rooms/shares on craigslist.

Anonymous Mon May 25 19:56:01 2015 No.7285973

>>7285920
STEM majors tend to be the most enlightened on topics. This is because the enlightenment and scientific revolution directly impacts their work. Also funding has a lot to do with their political leanings.

Most famous scientists and scientists I've been seen are generally far-left.
Einstein is a good example of this.

Anonymous Mon May 25 20:04:09 2015 No.7285990

>>7285867
>Uh, STEM majors tend to be very liberal. A lot are socialists, in my experience.

In mine, they're more conservative than other fields, and those that are hard-left tend to be quiet about it.

Not to say that they're conservative relative to the general population; that seems to be mostly an engineering/CS thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 20:06:24 2015 No.7285994 Leftism is for poor people. The more you know.

Anonymous Mon May 25 20:17:48 2015 No.7286006

Question for the ivy types
I'm not good at mingling, like I couldn't even talk to these introverts about sports or vidya or whatever they were doing. I can talk for days on end about my field though, would ivies be a good place for this? Will I be able to go wild with theory with my peers, or am I expected to follow football and such too?

Anonymous Mon May 25 20:17:59 2015 No.7286007

>>7285920
>>7285973

No, because in the United States the republican party has all but declared war on science. On funding science in the first place, on environment and climate change, on vaccinations, offshore drilling and fracking, most identifications of carcinogens, and even "controversies" with ideas in science that were old news even decades ago.

Including the almost national war they have on evolution.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 21:16:58 2015 No.7286101 >>7285699 By the way, what is your field? Are you he Tuftsbro or Harvardbro from earlier?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 22:09:09 2015 No.7286225 >>7285123 I got into Brown. I still browse 4chan. Not everyone here is pathetic you know.

Anonymous Mon May 25 22:32:47 2015 No.7286278

>>7285431
>The student body is not selected based solely on quality of academics
And this is my biggest complaint about (my perception of) Ivy League schools.

>>7285216
>>7285870
Although the "unwarranted ego" is a pretty close second.

Lest anyone claim sour grapes I graduated from Caltech.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 22:36:18 2015 No.7286284 File: 78 KB, 1486x604, duke.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I got into Duke. Many regard it in the same tier as the Ivies.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 22:38:47 2015 No.7286291 File: 11 KB, 225x225, 1423412334866.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7286284 Sure they do buddy. It's a "Southern Ivy".

Anonymous Mon May 25 22:40:42 2015 No.7286298

I got into Duke. Most people that get into schools like this are the sons and daughters of privileged upper middle to upper class families. Most people in STEM are bright, but there are those here that aren't particularly that bright like you'd think (despite what their SAT/ACT scores are).

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 22:42:15 2015 No.7286305 >>7286291 Comment is in response to this >>7286291

Anonymous Mon May 25 22:46:42 2015 No.7286316

>>7286298
>Most people that get into schools like this are the sons and daughters of privileged upper middle to upper class families.
>About 50 percent of all Duke students receive some form of financial aid
http://newsoffice.duke.edu/all-about-duke/quick-facts-about-duke

Anonymous Mon May 25 22:54:54 2015 No.7286340 [DELETED]

>>7286316
That is because tuition is ~60k/yr.

These people get into similar schools like Cornell, Brown, etc. These people do hardcore prepping for the SAT/ACT and attend elite prep/science & math HS which requires mommy & daddy to have $$$.

Most smart people from NC go to UNC or NC State. Duke attracts a lot of northern kids from places like Jersey. You don't see as many NC kids here.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 23:00:15 2015 No.7286356 >>7286316 Duke is expensive. It doesn't change the fact that most students who get accepted there are from privileged families.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 23:07:40 2015 No.7286374 >>7286356 >most students are privileged >50% can't afford to pay for children's schooling Duke student, ladies and gentlemen.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 23:08:47 2015 No.7286375 >>7286278 If you personally haven't produced anything of note beyond academics at other institutions and you think you're better than them then your ego is unwarranted. You can't award yourself for doing nothing or you will continue to do nothing.

Anonymous Mon May 25 23:10:37 2015 No.7286377

>>7286374
Not that guy you're responding to but the statement doesn't prove anything. 50% of students could be receiving a $1 student loan. Relative incomes also matter so upper class in some parts of the country is less income than upper class in the San Francisco Bay area.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 23:12:45 2015 No.7286380 >>7286375 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 23:16:04 2015 No.7286391 >>7286380 Posting wikipedia articles doesn't mean you're being productive anymore than posting on 4chan. Anyway, this is off-topic.

Anonymous Mon May 25 23:18:07 2015 No.7286398

>>7285123
I go to Columbia. I'm pretty sure I'm like the only person that browses 4chan here, but I've been lurking for years and haven't stopped just because I go to an ivy.

To answer the OP, disadvantages is the pressure I feel to be well rounded. Also Columbia isn't exceptionally good for computer science, which is what I decided on majoring in. I should've gone to Carnegie Mellon when I got in but we all fuck up sometimes.

Anonymous Mon May 25 23:34:29 2015 No.7286425

Penn had a good mix of privilege. Half my friends were dirt poor, the other upper middle class. No stand out rich kids in my group, except for maybe this one girl with two lawyers as parents. But for the most part income wasn't really talked about.

The real advantage of an Ivy league school is that you can go to any state or place and your degree is worth something. Some schools are great, but only in their state or location.

The biggest drawback is that everybody is going to be trying hard. If you are not a tryhard sometimes you really feel out of place. I was the only person who did not have a job graduating in my group of friends.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 25 23:56:55 2015 No.7286463 >>7286380 Is naming fallacies that don't actually apply a /sci/ meme, or are there just that many retards here?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:06:43 2015 No.7286480 >>7286425 >I was the only person who did not have a job graduating in my group of friends. Reading this makes me feel really sad. Do you have a job now?

Anonymous Tue May 26 00:26:49 2015 No.7286508

I'm attending one, but its the only one I liked (largely because of the culture) and thus the only one I applied to. I discourage people from applying to them just for the prestige, because there is no way more than 2 or 3 are going to be a good fit for you. Cornell sucks tbh so does Dartmouth.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:28:46 2015 No.7286510 >>7285867 In my experience the only STEM people who give a shit are the pseudoscience people who shouldn't really be in STEM, like sociologists

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:30:01 2015 No.7286514 Are Ivy schools good for bio science? I'm going into biology and planning on specializing in mycology and protozoology. I'm only working on my Bachelors now, but am planning for the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:32:00 2015 No.7286519 >>7286514 Harvard is pretty strong in biology.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:35:41 2015 No.7286526 >>7286519 I'll have to check them out a bit. I'll be going on financial aid/scholarships, for sure.

Anonymous Tue May 26 00:36:45 2015 No.7286528

>>7286007

>Republicans war on offshore drilling, fracking, vaccinations

It's the leftists who are at war with those things.

The rest are accurate though.

I worked for a city's water quality chem lab and the new utilities guy was hard right and he slashed our funding in order to get the police more guns they don't need

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:44:52 2015 No.7286533 >>7286510 Simply not true, a lot of scientists are interested in both philosophy and politics. Science is an endeavor to progress humanity further. Scientists are interested in the progression of humanity.

Anonymous Tue May 26 00:54:16 2015 No.7286548

>>7285609
Didn't the unabomber get fucked up -by- his time at Harvard, during an experiment run by one of the professors there in collusion with the CIA in project MKUltra?

Shouldn't the screening be super harsh for the professors not the students?

>will you collude with the CIA to torture our students?
yes
>you don't get the job

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:55:27 2015 No.7286551 princeton here it's the environment/people that you'll grow to hate, not the academics, as they're very good here

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 00:57:29 2015 No.7286555 >>7286533 Most scientists are not media faces.

Anonymous Tue May 26 01:00:10 2015 No.7286557

>>7286533

>Simply not true, a lot of scientists are interested in both philosophy and politics.
>Science is an endeavor to progress humanity further. Scientists are interested in the progression of humanity.

Cute.

Though scientists are probably some of the very few people who make a money doing work that actually helps the human race in some significant way instead of siphoning off resources for meaningless "work".

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 01:09:33 2015 No.7286575 >>7286398 Nope. I know at least 1 other mf who goes there. Super cringy dude, too. Fucker was talking about /b/ at jjs when he ran into my friend and I.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 01:40:14 2015 No.7286635 >>7286575 Do you go to Columbia? Also who is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 01:42:04 2015 No.7286637 >>7286533 >Science is an endeavor to progress humanity further. Scientists are interested in the progression of humanity. top fucking kek >le high school naive romanticized view of science there's a real world outside of your basement m8

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 01:46:51 2015 No.7286655 >>7286637 Not that anon, but I don't see what's funny. You've clearly never met a real scientist.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 01:50:41 2015 No.7286665 >>7286655 lel, disillusioned youths

Anonymous Tue May 26 01:56:32 2015 No.7286676

>>7286665
Just because you've sold out and probably gave up on some dreams for money doesn't mean everyone has.

Maybe in your baby-tier field you're surrounded by people like yourself and you think it constantly confirms your life choice
But if you go to the sciences that are actually worth doing like theoretical physics you'll probably find that you're a minority.

>inb4 another 1-line "lel, delusional" reply without any substance

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 01:57:52 2015 No.7286678 >>7286676 >theoretical physics holy shit you couldnt be more of a popsci faggot

Anonymous Tue May 26 02:00:47 2015 No.7286682

>>7286678
what's pop-sci about theoretical physics?

Can I seriously ask you what your educational status is? or what field you're working in/studying?
Because you really sound like you have no experience in what you're talking about, and I'm saying that sincerely not as an insult.

Anonymous Tue May 26 02:01:55 2015 No.7286684

>>7286655
>You've clearly never met a real scientist.
Scientists have different motivations (including personal curiosity or even money), which don't have any effect on whether they're "real" scientists or not.

>Science is an endeavor to progress humanity further. Scientists are interested in the progression of humanity.
He's correct to say that this is an idealized view.

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Anonymous Tue May 26 02:05:25 2015 No.7286691

>>7286006

Frankly, I wouldn't recommend applying to Harvard or Yale, due to to heavy push for "well rounded personalities".

If I had to broadly stereotype the rest of the Ivy League: Princeton and Columbia are "Harvard and Yale Lite", Brown is "Ivy for liberal arts", Penn is "Ivy for southerners", Dartmouth is "Ivy for yanks", and Cornell is "Ivy for engineers". Cornell is the youngest out of the league, and it's the one with the broadest, *well-funded* range of studies (in my opinion).

If you're dead-set on attending an Ivy, I would suggest that you only apply to Cornell. I say this based on the sort of atmosphere that I think would suit someone with your personality. (I also happen to be acquainted with a slew of Cornell nerds. You'd be able to sperg out about your field AND anime AND play Dungeons and Dragons there.)

If you don't feel a deep, passionate need to attend an Ivy, I think you'd fit in much better at a technical institute (MIT, Caltech, GIT, etc) or whichever state college has the best department for your field. One of the "big names" like MIT might actually have the best department for your field, but the top department for neuroscience (for example) is UC San Diego.

It's wholesome to attend a strong state college as an undergraduate and then do your graduate degree at one of the Big Name Schools; it's also much cheaper. MIT is notoriously difficult for undergraduate students; you will get a lot more out of some of those Big Names as a graduate student than an undergraduate, and it is extremely rare to be accepted to the graduate program of your undergraduate uni, so bear that in mind. All these minor considerations will depend, of course, on what your field is.

As long as you select your colleges based on your field of interest, you'll do fine - your passion for your field will take you as far as you want to go. (Assuming, of course, that you're smart, capable of doing the work, and have good grades.)

Anonymous Tue May 26 02:06:45 2015 No.7286693

>>7286685
so what.. engineering? That basically confirms everything I said

I just find it hilarious that theoretical physics = pop-sci to you.

In fact I think that's enough to indicate I shouldn't even be talking to you. You literally know nothing of that area of academia

Anonymous Tue May 26 02:16:35 2015 No.7286705

>>7285199

i go to a small, private, liberal arts college in arkansas for a fraction of the price of an ivy league school, and i'd stack my education and experience with my professors up with the best of them

hell, a lot of our business or polisci majors go on internships or other programs in DC with ivy league kids and do just as well if not better than most of them, and have way less ego and actually manage to be tolerable human beings

i'm a communications major though, so that probably matters a hell of a lot more to me than it does to most people

different strokes for different folks i guess

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 02:19:10 2015 No.7286711 >>7286691 This is very solid advice. I wish my stupid high school senior brain hadn't been so focused on prestige and impressing everyone else and just gone to UCLA or UCSD.

>>	noko Tue May 26 02:21:04 2015 No.7286715 >>7285066 instead of meeting someone who has a parent who manages a bank, you get someone who is ceo of a chain of banks.

Anonymous Tue May 26 02:52:52 2015 No.7286774

>>7286278
>>The student body is not selected based solely on quality of academics
>And this is my biggest complaint about (my perception of) Ivy League schools.

I empathize, but when it comes to Harvard, the sheer size of the applicant pool means that for every position available twenty people will apply. Only a little under 5% of the applicants CAN be accepted. And - like Oxbridge - Harvard is one of the top universities in the world, not just in America. Because of its prestige a very large percentage of the people who apply are highly qualified to attend; it attracts the best applicants in the world. Even if you discarded every applicant with a GPA below 4.0 and less than perfect test scores, you would still have thousands to discard.

I'd estimate that the top 30% of the applicant pool would be able to do well at Harvard and make the most of it. (About 20% of the applicants ACCEPTED into Harvard decline the offer; these are the people who got accepted to more than one Ivy and have the latitude to pick and choose.)

That leaves about five to ten applicants competing for one spot, all of them perfect candidates, all equally brilliant. At that point, how can you possibly pare down?

Harvard is keenly aware of the power it wields. They have the world's best to choose from, the largest endowment on the planet, generations of political and interpersonal ties with the ruling classes, and a well-earned reputation as one of the best universities on earth. Their choices will set the stage for global politics a few decades later. Ultimately, it comes down to things like "what kind of environment do we want the future president of the united states to be exposed to?" "assuming that our students will one day rule the world, what kind of rulers do we want them to be?" It sounds like wishful thinking, but for the Ivy League/Oxbridge/etc these are material, practical concerns.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 03:16:21 2015 No.7286815 >>7286548 yyyyep. He was one of those rare INFJ types. It makes me sad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 03:26:28 2015 No.7286830 >>7285865 As an upper middle class American, I'm kind of ashamed that this is very accurate.

Anonymous Tue May 26 03:36:13 2015 No.7286843

>>7286693
Not the guy you're talking to, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you shouldn't even be throwing around terms like theoretical physics if you can't even provide reasoning as to why theoretical physics is a science worth doing which, spoiler, it isn't unless you're sheldor level autistic.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 04:09:49 2015 No.7286890 >>7286685 Woah, that sounds incredible.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 04:21:59 2015 No.7286907 >>7286843 Today's theoretical science is tomorrow's applied science.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 04:25:47 2015 No.7286913 >bill o reily graduated from harvard

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 04:27:34 2015 No.7286914 >>7286913 >mfw when so many people you hate went to Harvard

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 05:45:26 2015 No.7287025 >>7286691 amen to this one

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 05:49:07 2015 No.7287027 >>7286637 What is the point of science besides the progression of humanity?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 05:52:00 2015 No.7287032 >>7286684 >money Scientists aren't known to make a lot of money. If they wanted money they chose the wrong field.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 05:58:49 2015 No.7287037 >>7287027 the discovery of empirical truths. figuring things out. making and discovering things that make being alive easier. knowing more stuff. some people don't care about "progress".

Anonymous Tue May 26 08:02:18 2015 No.7287183

In my experience, what makes studying at an "elite" university great is that they have so many great facilities for students. Awesome gym, the student councils get a shitton of money to organize activities, nice libraries that really have a feel for academia, nice buildings in general etc etc.

I've studied both at an "elite" university and at an "inclusive" university (though they both rank within the top 100, globally), and for me, that was probably the only real difference. Level-wise, difficulty-wise or content-wise, not much to say at all. There are plenty of good universities that offer great teaching and courses but lack prestige. They're just as good IMO, however, when I get interviewed, employers really like seeing Columbia on my resumé.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 08:35:33 2015 No.7287241 >>7287027 keeping a job and funding

Anonymous Tue May 26 11:06:49 2015 No.7287456

Getting into ivies means you probably went to a science & math HS (one where you had to take the SAT for admissions), a magnet school, or some prep/feeder school into those sort of programs. These sort of schools require $$$ and with the $$$ families can spend money on their kids to get the best tutors and preps to get their children into these elite HS. From those elite HS they teach all the college courses a freshman/sophomore needs going in and can get letters of recommendation from instructors with advanced degrees. Also, these sort of HS prep their students with all the EAs, etc. that they need to stand out and be admitted to the elite colleges. This sort of shit isn't available for the gifted child from rural South Carolina whose HS only offers AP Calculus, AP Biology or AP Chemistry & whose parents can't afford to sent him to a SAT prep class and whose school lacks the EAs and trips to Africa to support third world nations that the elite HS offers.

These programs are meant for the elite within society, not the poor. Not the first generational rural kid from FL. This is meant for children whose parents are educated and have funds to morph their children into a perfect Princeton applicant.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 12:16:25 2015 No.7287574 >>7287456 this I dont get why SATs are so common. real IQ tests are so much superior

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 12:47:32 2015 No.7287646 >>7287574 I completely agree.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 12:55:45 2015 No.7287665 >>7287574 >Why don't we do IQ tests Time. Money. Etc

Anonymous Tue May 26 13:12:09 2015 No.7287690

>>7287574
I don't agree. People who work hard should be rewarded by getting into good schools. Just because you might be less intelligent than someone, doesn't mean you're not more hardworking or willing to dedicate yourself to something more than they are.

I think a lot of people on /sci/ think that they're more intelligent than people that get into these schools, but the reality is you'll never accomplish anything if you're lazy.

The SAT is flawed but you don't NEED classes to learn how to do well on the exam. I never took classes and self-studied for a few months with a book that cost about $20. So my test prep only consisted of the internet and this $20 book. I got a 2350.

So, while I know there are many people more intelligent than me (and thus have more inherent potential), it doesn't mean they're going to utilize that potential.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 13:15:09 2015 No.7287693 >>7287690 Also I should note that I went to a shitty public high school. 2 other people in my class went to ivies.

Anonymous Tue May 26 13:31:33 2015 No.7287716

>>7287690
why is it that everytime someone mentions intelligence is the one key diffentiator for success / usefulness, people bring up that other conditions exist ?

also
>People who work hard should be rewarded by getting into good schools
working hard isnt useful in the slightest unless you do something relevant. e.g. carrying a 20kg block around in circles is hard, but not inherently useful.
Ive seen a bunch of people try/work really hard, then cry, then dropout (physics here)

>The SAT is flawed but you don't NEED classes to learn how to do well on the exam
I hope you realize that, just the fact you can skew the result by a relevant magnitude makes it insufficient as a genuine assesment of somebodies potential.

btw nobody said success ~ IQ
its more like success ~ IQ * attitude + misc + 'luck'

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 14:00:24 2015 No.7287766 >>7285506 >>7285515 >>7285494 >he didn't go to Harvard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski#Early_life It was Harvard that fucked him up and made him into a bomber gg

Anonymous Tue May 26 14:53:53 2015 No.7287859
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>>7286907
Listen up, son.

The vast majority of grants for theoretical physics are going to groups involved in string theory. Now, string theory has some neat math behind it (I'll readily admit that I don't understand math at that level). But good math alone doesn't necessarily make for a good (i.e. testable) theory.

The problem with string theory (and by extension m-theory and superstring theory) is that it has been around for literally decades - more than enough time for someone somewhere to have come up with a falsifiable hypothesis that could be tested by experiment. But no one has.

Quoting Richard Feynman: "I don't like that they're not calculating anything. I don't like that they don't check their ideas. I don't like that for anything that disagrees with an experiment, they cook up an explanation—a fix-up to say, 'Well, it still might be true.'"

In fact, many theoretical physicists of today are of the opinion that they don't have to have experimental proof; that as long as the theory is "subtle and elegant" enough, then proof by experiment isn't necessary.

http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2015/01/27/381809832/the-most-dangerous-ideas-in-science

This only ends up directing funding away from other promising theories, such as loop quantum gravity, for no other reason than "we've spent nearly half a century trying to make this work, so we must be on the right track!"

It's not even a science at this point. It might as well be theology.

Anonymous Tue May 26 15:09:59 2015 No.7287896

>>7287693
If you went to a HS that produced two students who went to ivies then your school wasn't as shitty as you think. I went to a truly shitty HS that didn't have any racial diversity and our graduates went off to work in a plant or at most they went to shitty state schools that would accept anyone that applied. We had one particularly smart guy that aced the SAT and he still got denied from Harvard because our bumfuck HS wasn't even on Harvard's map and he lacked all the EA and well roundedness that Harvard was looking for in its applicants. Our HS offered bey few AP classes as well. Our HS was not designed to prepare students for colleges other than shitty ones.

Years and years and years later did I finally get into a college that is well ranked and considered prestigious. I could have gotten in one much sooner if I haven't had been denied the opportunities rich kids in my area had who all took their shit for granted.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:07:20 2015 No.7288005 >>7287859 >that as long as the theory is "subtle and elegant" enough, then proof by experiment isn't necessary. I hope nobody really thinks this. If they do, I hate them for being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:22:42 2015 No.7288032 >>7288005 Read the NPR article I linked to. A fair number of them do, including (but not limited to) the ones in high places.

Anonymous Tue May 26 16:39:18 2015 No.7288069

>>7287690
>. I never took classes and self-studied for a few months with a book that cost about $20. So my test prep only consisted of the internet and this $20 book. I got a 2350

Dumbass. I self studied for a week and borrowed a book from my friend and I got a 2360.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:49:20 2015 No.7288098 >>7288069 Ooh you're cool. I did zero studying and got a 2350. The SAT doesn't mean shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:50:49 2015 No.7288105 >>7288069 >>7288098 Jokes on you neck beards. I got a 2400 in 8th grade no studying.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:51:00 2015 No.7288106 >>7287859 The very depth of a pleb mind laid bare. The bill nye is appropriate in light of your post.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:52:39 2015 No.7288112 File: 29 KB, 400x338, 1425255881588.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7288098 Pic Related It sure is funny to score higher than the try hards who studied for years and barely broke 2000. >>7288105 Calling bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:56:32 2015 No.7288120 File: 293 KB, 661x716, 1392758421902.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7288106 Pic related it's you

Anonymous Tue May 26 17:09:14 2015 No.7288138

I just graduated from Yale. I was quite pleased. I won't speak for other Ivy League schools (though I've heard Brown and Princeton are filled with assholes), but most of the people I met were great. It really did surprise me how nice people were, whether they were students, professors or administrators. As the Harvard poster said, pretty much every student comes in with a huge fucking ego freshman year; you can either keep that ego and become friends with other egotistical assholes or you can lose it and become friends with everyone else. Lots of SJWs, but if you hang around with the right guys (and I do mean guys, since you're presumably in a STEM field), you can find people that aren't unironically telling you to check your privilege.
Job prospects are fantastic if you want to sell out and go to Wall Street or work at a consulting firm, but a lot of other people get no help from the career services. Fortunately, all you need to do to have hiring managers jizzing themselves is apply with your @yale.edu email address at the top of your resume, so finding a job is only a problem if you're horribly lazy.
As for academics, you shouldn't need me to tell you about that. It's world class as a whole, though that doesn't mean that every department is great; the computer science department at Yale is mediocre and it was only after a huge student outcry that administrators started trying to fix the problem by hiring more faculty and allocating more funds to the department.

If there's anything in particular you're interested in, I'll be watching this thread for a bit.

Anonymous Tue May 26 17:15:00 2015 No.7288147

>>7288138
I gotta leave for a summer class now but I have a few questions. What did you major in? I am going to Brown in the Fall and I'm thinking about getting a graduate degree in an engineering field since I want to go back to my parents nation (Syria) to rebuild. But at the moment I'm pretty clueless on what to major in. Engineering here isn't great, so I'm thinking a related field like CS or physics. What do you think? I'll reply when I get back.

Anonymous Tue May 26 18:06:51 2015 No.7288262

Why does the label of "ivy league" matter? Some of the universities are obviously good but on the other hand, I feel like I hear more about places like MIT or Caltech and various UK universities than I do about Dartmouth or Columbia. Maybe the set of things I care about leads me to not appreciate why those are good for anything.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 20:05:40 2015 No.7288540 >>7287037 >make being alive easier Pretty much "the progression of humanity"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 20:32:16 2015 No.7288595 >>7285109 go back to your fox news gramps

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 20:49:16 2015 No.7288615 >>7288262 Ivy league is a sports conference. It just so happens that schools in the ivy league are some of the richest, smartest, best schools in the country. So now the label makes people think of rich, good schools.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 21:12:16 2015 No.7288644 >>7288262 Columbia is pretty well known. And yes the term Ivy League matters. The prestige helps.

Anonymous Tue May 26 22:02:35 2015 No.7288719

>>7288615

It's kind of interesting to look at the scale of university endowments. According to wikipedia, Harvard currently gets about 36 billion, and then we have about a 10 billion gap to Yale with around 24 billion, and then Stanford at 21 and Princeton at 20. Then another big jump down to MIT at 12.5, Northwestern and Pennsylvania at about 10, and after that things taper down pretty gradually. If we look at Ivies, then, there are obviously a bunch that are hugely rich but then we also have Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown, which have only a few billion. Penn is also pretty high but not extreme like Harvard and Yale.

University prestige obviously has some correlation with wealth, but I wonder how tight this is. Is Princeton more reputable than MIT? Is Northwestern more prestigious than Cornell? I don't really know, but it probably depends a lot on the field of study in question.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 01:56:46 2015 No.7289054 >>7285275 >Penn >business school >better than average Much better than "better than average", it's probably the best business school in the country

Anonymous Wed May 27 02:52:02 2015 No.7289112

>>7288719

harvard is in cambridge, so when they want to build a new building or acquire one and renovate it, the costs are astronomical. they're also very focused on ensuring that harvard will exist forever - we're approaching the 300 year mark. oxford has nearly 1,000 years of continuous operation; cambridge has about 800. (harvard itself was founded by a cambridge graduate).

so harvard is interested not just in being The Best, but remaining the best for another thousand years. in that light, the massive endowment makes more sense.

cornell is the youngest ivy, and it's in the middle of fucking nowhere. if they want to build a massive astronomy tower, they can simply do it. they are also much less concerned with "longevity" - as long as the ivy league exists, cornell won't starve. they're the ivy most willing to establish new/ridiculous fields of discipline, as well, and risk money on potential failures,

if Harvard were destroyed by some catastrophe, Yale is the runner-up to take its place and maintain the Ivy League; they would probably invite Stanford to join. if Harvard and Yale were both destroyed, the academic culture of the entire northeastern united states would take an extremely heavy blow.

in a sense, the rest of the Ivies don't have comparably vast endowments to Harvard's because they don't need to - the burden of responsibility for "ensuring perpetual existence" of their brand rests on Harvard's shoulders, leaving them more free to fuck around with their money.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 03:09:44 2015 No.7289131 >>7288120 lmao/10 audibly chuckled

Anonymous Wed May 27 03:40:10 2015 No.7289168

>>7289112
Seems dumb that a university should get more prestige over "being in the same arbitrary category as Harvard" but then again I guess fuzzy things like that are what people think in terms of in general. Not that such universities aren't good, but I suspect that the benefits of being in the category of "ivy league" are due to the self-fulfilling prophecy that occurs when people see a fancy name on something, think it must be amazing, regard it as such, and therefore cause it to become so. Point being that a number of universities would also become the bees knees if they happened to be in that circumstance, probably, which if true shows that the whole thing is kind of arbitrary.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 10:19:35 2015 No.7289544 >>7289112 What non-ivy universities are in the same tier as the ivies?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 10:24:25 2015 No.7289548 >>7289544 god tier: cal tech MIT safety school tier: university of chicago, university fo michigan, university of pennsylvania

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 10:46:08 2015 No.7289575 >>7289548 >not including stanford in god tier someone's bitter

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 10:48:21 2015 No.7289579 >>7289548 Don't go to the University of Chicago if you are interested in STEM. You will regret it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 11:21:47 2015 No.7289626 >>7286374 Your statement frustrates me in so many ways.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 11:24:25 2015 No.7289627 >>7286526 Doesn't Harvard give financial aid to almost every student?

Anonymous Wed May 27 11:25:30 2015 No.7289629

>>7288069
>>7288098
lol, and that's fine. Like I said, I'm not particularly smart. I compensate with work and I've done well so far. I'm at a top 5 school in the US according to US News. I'm just making the argument that IQ doesn't correlate with hard work/success. There are probably plenty of smarter high school/college dropouts than me. Do they deserve my place at an Ivy League school? I don't think so. They probably wouldn't use the opportunities.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 13:11:56 2015 No.7289781 >>7289629 Don't take me so seriously bro. I just wanted a chance to flaunt my SAT score. I ended up at Brown after a year of CC. I probably could have went to a better school but I failed most of my classes Senior year.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 13:13:52 2015 No.7289787 >>7289579 I don't know about STE, but math is god tier in Chicago.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 13:57:08 2015 No.7289862 >>7289787 I wouldn't argue otherwise. However, it's essentially a liberal arts school and has a mandatory "core sequence" on feminism/socialism/gender binaries etc... Your actual STEM education becomes insignificant in the larger context.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 14:33:57 2015 No.7289929 >>7289781 Not the guy you're replying to but why did you fail your courses senior year? I remember you from the thread you created a few days ago. I was the Duke guy in it.

Anonymous Wed May 27 15:03:46 2015 No.7289975

>>7289112

>the rest of the Ivies don't have comparably vast endowments to Harvard's because they don't need to

Isn't Columbia in New York? Surely shit's expensive there.

Also, I would expect institutions to try and amass as much money as possible even if they don't -need- every cent of it.

Anonymous Wed May 27 16:13:05 2015 No.7290060

>>7289112

Cornell here. I would say this is very true about how the school views its role in the league and the rest of the other schools.

Recently, Cornell made some pretty big risks to support it's growing CS department, but seems like it will pay off immensely.

If anyone is interested in STEM, specifically CS or Physics, then Cornell is the way to go in the Ivy League because it takes its engineering department very seriously.

I would say Cornell is very different from the other ivy league universities because we have so many different colleges and offer state tuition for some of these college, despite being a private university (MIT does this as well).

As a result, we have more of a state school vibe than the other ivy league universities.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:20:15 2015 No.7290067 >>7289862 LOL. You can finish all core classes in a single year. >watch out for the big bad feminazis!! Never encountered anything like this in the core classes. UChicago is actually super-conservative.

Anonymous Wed May 27 16:52:33 2015 No.7290110

>>7290067
>You can finish all core classes in a single year
Bullshit. I didn't finish the core until the third year. Every single class was filled with Marx Theory, or "Black Souls in A White Man's Land", or some gender garbage like de Beauvoir. There there are also always apologists like you defending it.

>UChicago is actually super-conservative
UChicago is one of the most liberal schools out there. Last week was "Sexual Assault Awareness Week" and there were trigger warnings posted around the quad. I bet even then you think it's conservative though. Maybe you should consider this land of fun instead.
>>Reddit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 16:53:33 2015 No.7290112 >>7290110 *Then there

Anonymous Wed May 27 17:00:06 2015 No.7290125

I did my undergrad at a "near Ivy"; not in the Ivy League, but a highly-ranked, prestigious school. Now in a biochemistry/biophysics PhD program at a prominent public university. (If I named where I went and where I currently am, I would be easy to find.)

The biggest difference from what I've seen, compared to other schools, is the competition. I had a summer class at generic state U. near my hometown, and the difference in competitiveness was night and day. IMO, the top at any school could do well in the Ivies. The difference is that the bottom quarter at, say, Harvard or Stanford, still includes kids who hit 2100+ or so on the SATs.

I think the advantage with research comes with being thrown into the fire, more or less, at top schools. This goes beyond the Ivies, but if you're doing research at a high-powered lab at a med school like Harvard or Yale or Duke, you'll be working with big-name faculty and hot-shot grad students and post-docs.

For coursework at the undergraduate level, there really isn't much difference in material covered, and the lecturing is comparable.

The sizes are an issue. We had less than 10,000 undergrads, which gets boring. You see the same people everywhere. I think it would have been fun to go to a big state university with thousands of undergrads and more hot girls and parties and shit.

There are definitely upper- to upper-middle class families, and also some lower-middle to lower-class families. I'd say the split was close to even, maybe 60/40 or so of kids whose parents paid to kids who had scholarships or loans.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:10:24 2015 No.7290143 >>7290125 >If I named where I went and where I currently am, I would be easy to find. Pure lies. Tell us which undergrad you went to at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:15:39 2015 No.7290153 >>7290125 >If I named where I went and where I currently am, I would be easy to find. Implying we care enough to actually look you up

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:19:31 2015 No.7290161 >>7290153 That's not true. Everyone cares what I'm doing, because I'm a success story. Did you miss the part where I mentioned a PhD program? Jealous people (mostly everyone) can't have or accomplish what I've done. They'll try to ruin it for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:20:07 2015 No.7290164 File: 131 KB, 500x333, 3368425688_49d0b8cf0c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7285066 >going to an ivy league school for an undergrad

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:25:45 2015 No.7290174 >>7290161 >Doing a PhD is like the best thing in the world I rejected the opportunity to do a PhD in quantum chemistry at a top 100 uni. Instead, I went and work at the company I did my internship at and made a lot of instant cash

Anonymous Wed May 27 17:27:18 2015 No.7290176

>>7289929
Long story. I basically got tired of the stupid shit I had to do. The school kind of fucked me over when they decided to report me to the FBI because some rumor was spread about me saying that I was going to blow up the school. Also things weren't great at home because of the War in Syria (where my parents are from). I basically stopped going to school and stopped giving a shit. I was doing good beforehand. My rank was third before I decided to stop doing work, by the end of Senior year I dropped down to 67th. They would not have passed me if I wasn't a good student prior.

Anonymous Wed May 27 17:35:41 2015 No.7290195

>>7290174
Doing a PhD puts me in an elite bracket of intellectuals. You would likely have been incapable of undertaking such a journey of the mind. My own family has become estranged because they're jealous of my degree. Every time I bring it up, they roll their eyes.

You're a stranger in comparison and mean nothing to me. My little finger how outputted more erudite action than your entire being. You are a termite to me and could not possibly comprehend the scope of my mental insight.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 17:36:41 2015 No.7290200 >>7290195 *finger has

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:04:05 2015 No.7290253 File: 103 KB, 1920x1040, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7290195

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:07:56 2015 No.7290256 >>7290195 >leabnoxiousoverweightgentlemanwearingafunnyhat.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:18:55 2015 No.7290277 >>7290176 Well glad you turned out okay, sorry for the fuss you had to go through in HS. My HS experience was crap too. How are your parents nowadays?

Anonymous Wed May 27 18:20:58 2015 No.7290281

>>7290125
I was accepted to a top tier school. The school is very small, yet in my intro core courses there are 200-300 kids, second semester courses are 150+ and there on out the upper level cores are 80 or so in junior level courses. I assume it dies down a bit senior year.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:32:30 2015 No.7290306 >>7290281 >top tier >class sizes of 200-300 No.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:32:32 2015 No.7290307 >>7290277 Thanks anon. At least I was able to fix my mistakes. Still I wish I hadn't wasted that year. My parents are okay, we've gotten used to the chaos I guess. Shit isn't going to be the seem for awhile.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:37:57 2015 No.7290316 >>7290307 Allahu Akbar brother. Death to America.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:42:25 2015 No.7290320 File: 285 KB, 488x472, 5153495+_1d0416739c31389a56dafaf0a2e8cf79.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7290316

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:42:45 2015 No.7290322 >>7290161 >That's not true. Everyone cares what I'm doing, because I'm a success story top lel

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:45:35 2015 No.7290325 >>7290306 Cambridge undergrad NatScis have like 250+ people at most of the first-year lectures. Don't really know what you're on about.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 18:53:18 2015 No.7290338 Ivy League is just buying the social connections with a better economic class of people. Their actual education isn't significantly better than non ivy schools.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:03:30 2015 No.7290368 >>7290325 >thread about the Ivies and American universities >mentions Cambridge Don't really know what you're on about.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:11:28 2015 No.7290386 >>7290253 Underrated Post

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:13:23 2015 No.7290390 >>7290368 You seemed to be implying that no top tier school could have class sizes of 200-300.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:14:15 2015 No.7290393 >>7290110 >took three years to finish core >being this stupid

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:17:51 2015 No.7290399 >>7290390 I'm not implying anything. I'm outright stating that.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:21:01 2015 No.7290410 >>7290399 Oh. In that case you should tone down on aggressively advertising your retardation.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:21:41 2015 No.7290412 >>7290393 >finishing multiple sequences that last a whole year all within the same year Even then you wouldn't be able to pull it off in less than two. I bet you're something retarded like a Germanic poetry major. Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:22:50 2015 No.7290415 >>7290410 Go ahead and name a school then anon. Show us all how low your standards of "good" are.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:25:26 2015 No.7290419 >>7290415 Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, MIT Good for a start, dipshit?

Anonymous Wed May 27 19:28:59 2015 No.7290426

>>7290419
>Cambridge
Not American. We already went over this.
>MIT 4% of classes with over 100 students
>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=186

I'm not even going to look up Harvard or Yale. My friend goes to Yale. You're a lying retard.

Anonymous Wed May 27 19:33:39 2015 No.7290443

>>7290426

I wasn't talking to you earlier, and you are mentally retarded.

>You seemed to be implying that no top tier school could have class sizes of 200-300.

To which you replied:

>I'm not implying anything. I'm outright stating that.

Well, all of those top schools have intro classes with 200+ students. Here's a game theory course from Yale, you filthy doublenigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM3rTU927io

how many students do you think are in that course?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:39:34 2015 No.7290454 >>7290443 That class doesn't have anywhere near 200 students and even if you could find a single class with 200+, students it wouldn't even be close to the norm. >projecting this hard based on the crappy university he attended with class sizes of 1500

Anonymous Wed May 27 19:42:47 2015 No.7290462

>>7290454
Probably around 200, you can count 15 rows in the main section they film and maybe 8 per row if not 10. They also don;t show the entire right section which is usually reserved for students who don't want to be filmed. Could be around 150, could be as high as 250

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:42:57 2015 No.7290463 >>7290454 Who said they were the norm retard? You said they don't exist at top schools, yet they plainly do. Deal with it pause at 45:50 you cuck. Literally every top school other than prestigious liberal arts schools have large intro classes.

Anonymous Wed May 27 19:47:20 2015 No.7290468

>>7290463
>Who said they were the norm retard?
You're implying they're the norm retard. You can't say a university has classes between 200-300 if only one class in the entire school ever gets that high.

No, the freshman classes at these elite universities don't get anywhere close to that amount. You'd know that if you had ever gone to one.
>probably can't say the same for Phoenix U.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:48:36 2015 No.7290472 >>7290468 What a ridiculous argument. MIT 18.01 most watched edX video available has a 200 person lecture.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:51:39 2015 No.7290484 >>7290472 Then please explain why the actual statistics state that only 4% of MIT classes contain over 100 students. I suppose only 0.5% of the school's classes are freshman classes amirite? >kill yourself

Anonymous Wed May 27 19:52:36 2015 No.7290486

>>7290468
Let's have an exercise in the English language:

some anon wrote:

>You seemed to be implying that no top tier school could have class sizes of 200-300.

to which you replied

>I'm not implying anything. I'm outright stating that

Now, pay attention:
>no top tier school could have
>could have
>COULD
>HAVE

where your retarded ass stepped in and said that you're outright stating that "no top tier school could have", again, COULD HAVE, classes with 200-300 students.

Well, they all have them. Please cleanse yourself from the gene pool subhuman

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 19:52:50 2015 No.7290487 >>7290399 Harvard here You're wrong.

Anonymous Wed May 27 19:59:17 2015 No.7290502

>>7290486
I replied to these statements initially before your retarded ass jumped in.
>yet in my intro core courses there are 200-300 kids, second semester courses are 150+ and there on out the upper level cores are 80 or so in junior level courses.
>250+ people at most of the first-year lectures

No where exactly does that suggest "only 0.5% of classes are that big"? In that context especially, though in any context really, "could have class sizes of 200-300" implies that such classes are not insignificant in number.

You are retarded and lack any sense of reading comprehension.

>>7290487
Doubt it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:00:17 2015 No.7290503 >>7290502 *Now where

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:05:05 2015 No.7290517

>>7290502

I don't care what you think some other guy meant when he told you he had large class sizes. You said something breathtakingly asinine, obviously false with numerous counterexamples: Harvard, MIT, Yale, Cambridge, and you have been shown to be a plain dipshit retarded nigger.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:08:41 2015 No.7290527

>>7290517
Oh yeah let's just disregard all the context of my words. Let's disregard standard English colloquialisms too. Let's interpret my words however "your feels" say so.

You are the literal nigger. This is why you couldn't score well on the SAT/ACT and could never get into a good school. Enjoy ringing up my order when I visit Subway.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:12:58 2015 No.7290537

>>7290527
Let's sum it up shall we.
>Anon: My school was legit. All of the class sizes were 300+.
>Me: No school with class sizes that are mostly 300+ could be considered good.
>You: MIT, Yale, and Harvard each have one class with 230 students. Ur stupid xDDDDDDD.

I go to an elite school. This is why you don't, and why you'll literally amount to shit.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:13:35 2015 No.7290538

>>7290527

No, fuck you. You can't keep moving the goalposts like that. First it was
>no top tier school could have class sizes of 200-300.

After one counterexample, it became
>no American top tier school could have class sizes of 200-300.

After more counterexamples, it's suddenly
>no top tier school could have class sizes of 200-300 for most of the classes

Especially since you OUTRIGHT STATED that NO top tier school COULD have a class size of 200-300. In short, you're full of shit, been called out on it and you're backpedalling as hard as you can on what you actually meant.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:14:08 2015 No.7290541

>>7290527
This has nothing to do with colloquial language. If you meant to say "I don't believe a top school would have over 4% of 100+ classes", then you could've said it.

Due to your mental retardation, you were unable to express yourself precisely. It's ok, you learned and now know better. BTW if we're gonna go back and forth insulting each other, don't just throw my insults back at me, come up with your own, you simpleton

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:16:31 2015 No.7290546

>>7290537

>Me: No school with class sizes that are mostly 300+ could be considered good.

If you had said that, nobody would have argued with you, because literally no school has mostly classes with 300+ students. You may want to take a break if expressing yourself clearly is hurting your brain. What you actually said was "I am outright stating that top schools CANNOT have 200+ classes", which is plainly wrong.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:16:44 2015 No.7290547

>>7290538
>>7290541
Holy fuck /sci/ if filled with retards. If I reply to a statement, then my reply has meaning within the context of the original statement. I got a 36 on my ACT. What the fuck did you get?
>moving the goalposts

Literally kill yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:18:38 2015 No.7290555 >>7290546 >reading things 100% literally >being unable to read between the lines especially when the lines are GLARINGLY OBVIOUS These are symptoms of a condition called autism.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:19:38 2015 No.7290557 >>7290547 *is

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:21:26 2015 No.7290559 >>7290547 >>7290555 I can read between the lines and what I'm reading here is DAMAGE CONTROL

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:22:13 2015 No.7290560 >>7290559 What I'm reading is YOU WENT TO A COMMUNITY COLLEGE

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:22:18 2015 No.7290561

>>7290555

The most charitable interpretation of your response to that guys post would be "a top school cannot have [vague undefined percentage subjectively determined by me] of 200+ classes".

I didn't do so because of how bombastically you affirmed that you were saying a top school CANNOT have 200+ classes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:24:36 2015 No.7290565 >>7290560 Then your reading is as good as your argumentation, because I'm at Cambridge.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:25:40 2015 No.7290567 >advantages Remainder of your life is basically beautiful with few exceptions >disadvantages None with few exceptions

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:28:38 2015 No.7290570

>>7290565
The statements I replied to.
> intro core courses there are 200-300 kids, second semester courses are 150+
>250+ people at most of the first-year lectures

>you: OH HE MUS BE SAYIN IZ IMPUSSIBLE FO SKOOLS TA HAS A SINGLE BIGG KLASS xDDDDD

Only a literal idiot would interpret my comments in the way that you did.

>I'm at Cambridge
AHAHAHAHA he says this after I explicitly said that I was only talking about U.S. universities here >>7290368.

Only a britbong could be this retarded. Thank fucking god you aren't in my country.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:30:36 2015 No.7290573 >>7290561 >most charitable >when the statements I replied to explicitly mentioned or implied the word MOST Kill yourself. I bet you're another bong.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:32:24 2015 No.7290575 >>7290573 The statement you made explicitly mentioned CANNOT. Well, they do, so they can, so you're wrong. If you want to sound more sensible learn how to express yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:34:11 2015 No.7290578 >>7290575 Yes CANNOT in the context of MOST CANNOT as evidenced by the TWO STATEMENTS I REPLIED TO THAT MENTIONED THE WORD MOST. Really are you b8ing me at this point? You can't actually be this stupid. Either that or you're a yurocuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:34:36 2015 No.7290580 >>7290570 You're literally shitposting at this point. Give up, you already look like a retard, struggling is only gonna make it worse. Out of curiosity, which university has the misfortune of claiming you as its member?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:37:03 2015 No.7290583 >>7290580 I go to Stanford. It's not my fault you're incapable of following simple syntactical logic.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:37:30 2015 No.7290585

>>7290578

>I was accepted to a top tier school. The school is very small, yet in my intro core courses there are 200-300 kids, second semester courses are 150+ and there on out the upper level cores are 80 or so in junior level courses. I assume it dies down a bit senior year.

no MOST in here

The other guy who said MOST was talking about first year courses, and at Cambridge, which you dismissed. So you injected most, to sound less crazy. But if that's what you meant why say stupid shit like "top schools CANNOT have 200+ classes" lel. You must be dumb or something

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:40:27 2015 No.7290589 >>7290585 And if you'll look here >>7290573 I said explicitly mentioned or IMPLIED in this case. So no, I'm right again. You're baiting me so whatever. Here's your response.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:40:58 2015 No.7290594

>>7290583
> incapable of following simple syntactical logic.
>In logic, syntax is anything having to do with formal languages or formal systems without regard to any interpretation or meaning given to them.
>WITHOUT REGARD TO ANY INTERPRETATION OF MEANING GIVEN

lol this just gets funnier

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:43:30 2015 No.7290597

>>7290589

I don't have to give any attention to your interpretation of someone else's "implication", when you can just say things clearly. and when you fuck up, apologize and explain what you meant to say, rather than blaming everyone else for not reading you dense mind.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:45:06 2015 No.7290601

>>7290594
Yeah and when the statements I'm replying to use the words "most" or phrases like "my intro core courses there are 200-300 kids"/"upper level cores are 80 or so in junior level courses", there's not a lot of interpretation needed to derive the intent of my statements.

Unless you're an autistic bong that is.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:46:17 2015 No.7290603 >>7290597 >and when you fuck up, apologize and explain what you meant to say, rather than blaming everyone else for not reading you dense mind The irony.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:48:47 2015 No.7290608 >>7290601 Again you're not replying to "MOST", you made it up. Should I treat you like a 3rd grader and translate what you actually say into what you think you meant to say? epic syntactical logic bro

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:51:40 2015 No.7290618 >>7290608 Again I replied to one "MOST" and one implied "MOST". Oh and I don't need to treat you like a third grader. Your current teachers already do that for me.

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:54:20 2015 No.7290621

>>7290618
No you dismissed on "most" because he's in britbongistan, and made up an interpretation of an implication. Instead of vaguely interpreting nebulous implication you could have just said what you mean, but you're not good at it so you throw a tantrum when others call you out on the incoherent verbal diarrhea that comes our of your mouth.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:55:13 2015 No.7290623 >Began a new chem course today at an Ivy league school >Instructor is also a chemical engineer at Monsanto ayy

Anonymous Wed May 27 20:58:39 2015 No.7290630

>>7290621
>made up an interpretation of an implication
What? Learn English.

Anyway, if you think:
>in my intro core courses there are 200-300 kids, second semester courses are 150+ and there on out the upper level cores are 80 or so in junior level courses. I assume it dies down a bit senior year.
is a vague way of implying "most", then your reading comprehension is complete shit. Nothing I said could be interpreted ambiguously. You are just unintelligent.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:58:43 2015 No.7290631 >>7290603 you'll note that the anons who admit to being ivy students ITT are polite and well-spoken, as expected I wonder if he realizes that his behavior tarnishes the reputation of his institution?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 20:59:26 2015 No.7290633 also : >I go to Stanford. >It's not my fault you're incapable of following simple syntactical logic. >syntax >while talking about semantics and interpretation You truly bear the mark of a Stanford intellect.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:03:04 2015 No.7290640 >>7290630 saying "a top school CANNOT have 200+ classes" is not ambiguous, I agree. Especially when affirming the post clarifying your position.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:03:52 2015 No.7290641 >>7290631 >>7290633 The only thing that tarnishes the reputation of my institution is other PC liberal shills like you. >>Reddit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:05:17 2015 No.7290644 >>7290630 >What? Learn English. you said that it should be obvious that your post was magically contained in it your own (unstated, of course) interpretation of an "implication" of the anon to whom you were replying.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:05:42 2015 No.7290646 >>7290640 Get AIDS. I'm done replying to you nigger.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:06:43 2015 No.7290648 >>7290644 You get AIDS too Jew-boy.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:06:51 2015 No.7290649 >>7290641 I'm not a liberal. If I were Der Fuhrer I would have those displaying outward signs of severe mental retardation exterminated, or at least castrated for the sake of the gene pool. That includes you.

Anonymous Wed May 27 21:11:30 2015 No.7290654

The benefit of going and graduating from Ivy League is the networking you can do. You'll be surrounded by children with rich and powerful parents. Children that have high paying and powerful jobs already lined up for them once they graduate. So make friendly with them while in school. You'll have an advantage on all the public university graduates competing for the same jobs.

Anonymous Wed May 27 21:14:42 2015 No.7290658
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>>7290641

I dislike doing this, but you're disrupting the thread and embarrassing your university. Please take a moment to reflect on your decisions and adjust your behavior accordingly.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:19:07 2015 No.7290667 >>7290658 >Harvard Is this you? What are you studying?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:20:03 2015 No.7290669 >>7290658 This is literally the most Reddit post I've ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:20:09 2015 No.7290671 >>7290667 if he isn't in the law or business school he is wasting his time and money. unless he is there to network with the children of the rich and powerful.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:22:24 2015 No.7290675 >>7290671 What about math or physics? What are you even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:23:17 2015 No.7290677 >>7286551 Princeton native, didnt school there. Care to elaborate?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:26:28 2015 No.7290682 >>7290671 Seriously what are you talking about? Employers will Jizz their pants when you apply for a job. And Ivy League are cheap if you middle class. I got into Brown and I only have to pay 6000 a year! I would be paying more at a state school.

Anonymous Wed May 27 21:36:18 2015 No.7290696

>>7290658
So here's what I've found out.
>your student information is stored on the Harvard library databases
>it is accessed via that ID's barcode
>there is a library app that can read that specific barcode
>I'm downloading it right now
>I'm backprojecting your image onto a sheet of paper so that it's not angled and can be read
>my MRI research software packaging can basically do this easily
I'm going to figure out who you are faggot. I'll tell your family that you have an incest or other messed up fetish over Facebook. Maybe I'll create a convincing profile and say you "sexually assaulted me". You can deny it, but that doubt will always linger in their minds.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:38:17 2015 No.7290700 File: 99 KB, 1022x768, Nutella+flavored+mandingo+warrior+_835f0626f8f5fc7c4b778c7c6be89f8a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Watching these ivy league kids argue who's got the biggest dick is rather amusing

Anonymous Wed May 27 21:41:11 2015 No.7290704
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>>7290667

Yes. STEM.

>mfw having to defend Stanford's reputation

There are a lot of underage b& high school seniors asking for advice and lurking in this thread, so: I know the blowhard upthread has been making an ass of himself, but please rest assured that Stanford is a fine institute of higher learning & he does not represent it.

>>7290633 was derogatory because that anon was attempting to shame him into shutting up. An actual "Stanford intellect" is certainly on par with a Harvard intellect.

Anonymous Wed May 27 21:42:17 2015 No.7290705

>>7290696

Did you get THIS butthurt over everyone telling you you're an idiot? That's some /b/-tier shit right there. Fuck, you're not even that, you're literally an edgy teenage hacker wannabe.

''I'll shitpost on facebook'' is maybe the lamest threat I've ever seen. And you're getting all worked up about it.

Also, I doubt you'll be able to get any info off of that barcode, because of you being the fuckup you are.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:43:20 2015 No.7290707 >>7290700 It's really just one jerk from Stanford saying something and everyone else telling him he's an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:45:16 2015 No.7290711 >>7290707 True still doesn't stop it being mildly entertaining as a neutral

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:46:54 2015 No.7290714 >>7290704 Nice anon. I applied to Harvard but I didn't get in. =( At least ended up at Brown.

Anonymous Wed May 27 21:48:02 2015 No.7290716

>>7290704

We don't need you to tell us any of this. Nobody is dumb enough to generalize an institution of that size based on one undergrad on 4chan.

Even if I wanted validation for Stanford, I'd rather have it from someone at Stanford rather than Harvard. What gives you the credibility to say whether Stanford is good? As it is, I'm inclined to believe you just wanted to flaunt your ego ever so slightly.

Anonymous Wed May 27 21:50:05 2015 No.7290719

>>7290705
>lamest threat
I'll just tell your parents or sister that you secretly want to have sex with them and it has been freaking me out. I can't reconcile such a thing with my moral compass. I just had to let them know.

>doubt you'll be able to get any info off of that barcode
It's literally your student ID number. You're fucked and I'm determined to end you. Here's how easy bar code logic is.
>http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Read_a_Barcode
Enjoy your post-Harvard "future". HAHAHAHAH!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:51:23 2015 No.7290722 >>7290719 Well, have fun trying.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:53:10 2015 No.7290726 >>7290719 1) I, the person you're replying to, am not the Harvard guy 2) This is supposedly very easy yet we haven't seen you post any results yet 3) You literally got this ass devastated over an argument on a mongolian cave-painting club site

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 21:54:24 2015 No.7290729 >tfw didn't even apply to any ivy leagues I only applied to two schools, and I regret it sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:06:09 2015 No.7290748 >>7290719 >>7290705 This whole exchange proves that everyone who attends ivys is a silly faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:06:20 2015 No.7290750 File: 151 KB, 500x376, 1420165870487.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7285159 >flour to flower conversions that's some alchemy level Shit right there

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:19:31 2015 No.7290782 >>7290675 There are better schools for STEM. Like MIT, Stanford, or hell even Georgia Tech. >>7290682 >jizz their pants well that sort of is the point of going to Ivy. It looks impressive, but really it is the potential connection benefit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:21:39 2015 No.7290784 >>7285066 >friends all go to ivies and other elite schools and are all miserable and havent been getting many good opportunities >i go to a pretty good liberal arts college, smoke weed every day, make all a's, and am having a fantastic time

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:30:15 2015 No.7290796 >>7290784 just wait till senior year. they'll all have good summer internships at big companies. then graduate with an ivy league name on their diploma. combine that with the fact that ivy likes to hire ivy. they are well set up for a good life.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:35:15 2015 No.7290805 >>7290796 >tfw half the students at my college have super rich parents who can get them well paying summer jobs at big companies but all try to intern at pitchfork/insert-small-record-label-here

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:40:45 2015 No.7290814 >>7290307 Keep pushing along brother. I'll do the same. If you ever hear from the Duke guy call out to the Brown guy that'll be me.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:41:33 2015 No.7290816 >>7290719 why are americans so cringe?

Anonymous Wed May 27 22:42:57 2015 No.7290817

>>7290782
>There are better schools for STEM.
Honestly what does this even mean? Better teachers? Better labs? Better text books. When you're talking about top tier schools I never understood how one can be better than the other in terms of undergrad stem education. Explain yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:43:54 2015 No.7290818 >>7288105 tfw i got a 2450 in kindergarten, made sure to dumb myself down beforehand

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:47:00 2015 No.7290824 >>7290814 Thanks. I wish you the best of luck. I'll be lurking.

Anonymous Wed May 27 22:47:18 2015 No.7290825

>>7290306
>>7290601
>>7290618
>>7290630

I am >>7290281

I am not
>>7290325
>>7290390
and the others you replied to but they are right-- I got into a top 10 U.S. university and I'm not kidding. Our freshman level STEM class has 300 fucking kids in it & the second semester course has between 150-250. The junior level has 80 or so and then from there it dips down.

Maybe Stanford doesn't but my top 10 school does.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 22:53:04 2015 No.7290831 >>7290658 & >>7290722 it's easy, this (>>7290696) (>>7290719) guy is breaking the global rules by breaching personal info. Just report and have him banned. I already reported his comments. He'll be banned for that shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 23:38:17 2015 No.7290895 >>7290658 smart enough to get into harvard but dumb enough to post his personal info on 4chan. classic

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 23:55:12 2015 No.7290918 300+ comment thread

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 00:33:15 2015 No.7290983 Australian JD student here. Would it be worth it doing a masters at Harvard or Yale, assuming my parents don't have any money.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 00:57:03 2015 No.7291014 >>7290895 it's a cropped, low-res screencap of a photo, not the original image.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 28 00:58:10 2015 No.7291017 >>7290983 in Law? depends where you want to practice.

Anonymous Thu May 28 03:05:12 2015 No.7291209

>>7290983
Lawfag here too. Depends where you want to live later on. If you want to live and work in the US later on, try and get in Harvard Law, Duke University, Stanford, etc. They're really great for law. However, if you want to live and work in ye ol' Europe, I strongly recommend you to get a London LLM degree (so that's King's College, UCL, Queen Mary's, LSE, Imperial). Employers jizz all over them when they see you have em. Ofcourse Cambridge and Oxford are great too, but I'd much prefer living in London than in Oxford and Cambridge.

Anonymous Thu May 28 17:04:47 2015 No.7292808

>>7290412

The only required incoming credits are:
>Language
>AP Chemistry, AP Physics, or testing out of the PhySci requirement, which you easily should if you're doing STEM

If you don't have these, it will just spill over slightly into the second year

First Year (Finishing Core in a single year, while taking honors calculus):
>HUMA, HUMA, HUMA
>SOSC, SOSC, SOSC
>MATH-161, MATH-162, MATH-163
>CIV, CIV, ART

Second Year (cover foundational classes):
>MATH-207, MATH-208, MATH-209 (Honors analysis if you want to be hardcore)
>ECON-200, ECON-201, ECON-202 (Honors econ if you want to be hardcore)
>STAT-244, STAT-245, STAT 251,
>CMSC 161, CMSC 162, ECON-ELEC

Third Year:
>MATH-257, MATH-258 (Honors Algebra is optional), ECON-ELEC
>MATH-270, MATH-273, ECON-ELEC
>ECON-203, ECON-209, STAT-ELEC
>STAT-343, STAT-ELEC, STAT-ELEC

Congrats, you just finished a triple major in Math, Economics, and Statistics in 3 years. Adjust around if you want to have pure math major. Feel free to spend your entire last year writing your BA and taking grad classes.

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