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Is Psychology science?

I don't really know what else to put in this comment, so yeah.

>> No.7262912

>>7262898
no

>> No.7262916

a medical science i guess

>> No.7262918

>>7262898
Not really. At most it's a very soft science, and only then that's only the brain study stuff. Sociology can fuck right off

>> No.7262924

>>7262918
>>7262912
If Chemistry studies the behaviour of substances.
Biology studies the way the body works.

Then Psychology studies the way humans think and work, so that kinda makes it a science?

>> No.7262927

>>7262924
science is not about what you study, but how

can you make predictions? are your postulates falsifiable easily, and would this falsification throw out huge chunks of work?

if so it's science. else, anything is a science because it studies something.

>psychology
>science

>> No.7262930

>>7262924
it is not about what is being studied, it is more about how it is been studied

>> No.7262932

>>7262898
Several aspects of psychology can be considered to be science. Psychology itself - no way.

>> No.7262934

>>7262924
Science:
Verification of ideas through experiment.
Accepted theories need predictive power. It's not enough to retroactively explain something, otherwise you could ascribe any nonsense to any event.

>> No.7262956

>>7262934
there's no verification in science

>> No.7262957

Psychology is a secular religion. It fundamentally fails to apply the scientific method and often outright rejects it.

>> No.7263350

>>7262956

Falsification, then. Still can be applied to psychology and some areas of quantitative sociology.

In general, both of those are the best approximation for the study of these kinds of phenomena we have.

>> No.7263357

>>7262898

Ofc it's a fucking science, it's an empirical discipline that uses the scientific method. What else could you possibly call it?

>> No.7263384

/sci/ is full of autistic fuckcunts who don't even know what science means. Everything in psychology is subjected to rigorous review just like any other science. For example, the standards of the Division 12 for psychotherapy are based around things like: the treatment being more efficacious than a placebo, statistical significance, treatments following the guide of treatment manuals, details of samples, etc.

Of course publication bias can lead to the support of bullshit in psychology but this a problem that many fields face as well.

>> No.7263386

>>7263384
>efficacious

Are you making up new words?

>> No.7263390

>>7263386
Are you fucking retarded? Wait, don't answer that, you're fucking retarded.

>> No.7263690

>>7262898
Pass the mirror, doc. Do you have a clean straw?

>> No.7263886

It's 'pre-science'. There isn't one general idea in psychology and the approaches tend to go against eachother. The biological side is pretty scientific but then you get the psychodynamic approach which is basically an acid trip. They have lead to useful applications though.

>> No.7263909

what's the point of psychology when neuroscience exists?
also what is the difference between a psychologist and psychiatrist

>> No.7263912

In theory one could argue that psychology is a science and one could argue that it is not a science.
In practice however, psychology is obviously a fraud of an institution that is infested with toxic ideology and poisonous individuals.
Even if psychology were scientific in theory it could never be put into practice scientifically in our modern world. Researchers would only be one politically incorrect finding away from loosing their careers.

>> No.7263914

>>7262898
Yes, don't let uneducated morons who believe all science is natural science tell you otherwise.

>> No.7263917

>>7263384
this. Pysc gets bad rape for people like Freud who are more like philosophers but it has evolved into an empirical science. Its is not as precise as chemistry and physics so the highschoolers and undergrads hate it because you can boil it down to a few equations, but what do you expect from the human mind? The brain is the most complicated thing we know of in existence after all

>> No.7263919

>>7262957
>muh method is absolute because i said it does
There are multiple scientific methods.

>> No.7263931

>>7263886
>biology
>science
lel

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7264055

>>7263917

>rape
>Freud

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7264090

>>7263909
Assuming these questions are in good faith...

>what's the point of psychology when neuroscience exists?
Human behavior is not explained by our ability to measure electrophysiology or blood flow in the brain. Don't get me started on taking fMRI with a massive grain of salt. There are many emergent properties of behavior that are rigorously studied via psychophysics that simply cannot be studied at the neural level. These lines of research can be very fruitful in explaining sensation, perception, and cognition.

>also what is the difference between a psychologist and psychiatrist
A clinical psychologist engages patients in therapy. A psychiatrist can prescribe drugs to augment therapy. An experimental psychologist conducts experiments. There seems to be unending confusion on /sci/ about this distinction. Even OPs question is flawed - asking whether psychology is science with a picture of Freud. We could have the same exact question with a picture of BF Skinner (look at him right there!) and (hopefully) a different discussion would take place.

>> No.7264097

>>7263384
Who are you blackman? When did you show up? What's your major man? I'm ok with Psych just waiting on Chemistry to absorb it.

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7264525

>>7262898

A "softer" science, but still a science.

>> No.7264589

>>7263917
Yep.

People who know nothing of Psychology learn about Freud and his many invalidated theories, and base the whole of Psychology off of him.

Likely the same people who think all of Psychology consists solely of counselors, therapists, so on and so forth.

>> No.7264590

>>7262898
Its more on the philosophy side. It can't be science if its not studied through the scientific method.

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>> No.7264645

The issue isn't psychology itself : it's that most psychologists suck. They are often politically-oriented and have a poor comprehension of statistics wich leads to poorly conducted studies with unusable conclusions.

>> No.7264805

>>7262898
Science is simply the act of acquiring knowledge.
The higher the level of certainty that the knowledge is correct, the better the science.

Psychology tends to have low levels of certainty, too many uncontrolled variables. That's why it's seen as a low tier science.

>> No.7264811

>>7264525
>Mathematics
>Science
Languages are science nao. Polygots are the best scientists in the world then.

>> No.7264832

>>7262898
Psychology is entirely based on the assumption that correlation equals causation, without any tangible proof needed.

So, no. It's not a science.

>> No.7264836

>>7262898
It's a soft science.

>> No.7264842

>>7264832
So Biology and Chemistry isn't a science.

>> No.7264899

Sciecne: A systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.


This subject is an aspect of functioning of the human mind.

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7264915

Reminder that this same asshole as made this exact same thread almost every day for the past two weeks.

Sage.

>> No.7264940

>>7262957
>Psychology is not scientific, therefore it is a religion.
:^)

>> No.7264963

>>7264832
>Psychology is entirely based on the assumption that correlation equals causation, without any tangible proof needed.
just like physics then

Hume states clearly this problem of inference.

>> No.7265004

>>7262898
Not really. It is a very very soft "science". ESPECIALLY when you talk about the psychoanalytic school of thought to which Dr. fraud belongs.

>> No.7265006

>>7262957
>Psychology is a secular religion. It fundamentally fails to apply the scientific method and often outright rejects it.
Yes, but not in all schools of psychology. That mostly applies to the "psychoanalytic" school. Modern psychologists like Ramachandran rise far above that are are quite clearly scientists as well as doctors.

>> No.7265048

>>7262898
Yes, but it's a broad field. Some areas are closer to "real" or natural sciences, others more to social sciences.

One thing is certain: Sigmund Freud is not representative for the subject as a whole. Most of his ideas were complete bogus pseudoscientific fantasies that have been discarded for decades.

>> No.7265135

>>7262898
Just a little bit of it. I only consider it science when it is based on biology instead of philosophy

>> No.7265160

>>7264832
Maybe that's the impression you get in pop-sci blogs, but it's simply not true. Do psychologists find correlations? yes. Do psychologists try to understand causation? sometimes. But it's not assumed.

>> No.7265377

>>7264832
One of the VERY first things we're taught in Psychology courses is that correlation =/= causation.

Stop shitposting anytime.

>> No.7265423

>>7263384
No one cares about you or your heart symbols namefag.

>> No.7265847

>>7265423
Then can we at least get some more pics?

>> No.7265872

>>7262898
It emerged as a pseudo-science during the 19th century, most of the knowledge since than has been thrown out and regarded as such.

We're at the stage where it has become a proto-science (science in the early stages of development) relying heavily on empirical evidence. To truly understand the psyche you must understand the brain first.

>> No.7265884

yeah because i have a bachelor of science degree in psychology

>> No.7265886

>>7265872
If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn’t.

>> No.7265888

>>7265884
Oh, it's a science because you have a degree in it?
I guess that makes gender studies and theology a science too.

>> No.7265894

>>7265888
psychology is a science because it's a bachelor of science degree.

theology and gender studies are not sciences because they are bachelor of arts degrees.

gg faggot

>> No.7265898

>>7265886
We will understand it eventually though, it's not magic, the brain is still governed by the laws of this universe.

>> No.7265904

>>7265898
Too much ethics in the way for the research that would provide the answers.

>> No.7265970

The stupidity in this thread is sickening. Experimental Psychology is a field of science like all others. You do your experiments and see if they confirm your hypothesis. That's _literally_ what behavourism does. Just because you have actual humans as test subjects doesn't mean it's not a science you fucking neckbeards

>> No.7266903

>>7262898
not in the way you see it

>> No.7266947

Not related, but is there a name for a phenomenon where you are walking towards someone else and you try to avoid hitting each other, but you both move the same way 3-4 times and eventually bump into each other?

I've tried looking around but can't find anything.