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7245620 No.7245620 [Reply] [Original]

How much math do you need to become an Experimental Physicist?

>> No.7245627

>>7245620
>experimental

why would anyone aspire to be an experimental physicist. thats like making the conscience choice to become an engineer. oh wait

>> No.7245628

>>7245620
>drop toast
congratulations you're an experimental physicist.

>> No.7245633

>>7245620
if you want to understand what you're doing, almost as much as a theorist.

>> No.7245637

Read this stuff:

http://www.wisewarthog.com/mathematics/recommendations-mathematics-for-physics-and-engineering.html

When you are through with it, read Arfken.

>> No.7245647

>>7245628
>stare at the wall and pretend you are thinking about something

congrats, you are a theorist.

>> No.7245650

>>7245647
Philosopher*

>> No.7245681

>>7245633
This does not make sense, if true, why have theorists at all?

>> No.7245692

>>7245681

Difference between 'understand' and executing experiments/collecting data

>> No.7245693

>>7245681
What do you think is more doable for the majority of humans.

Have each person excel to the top of their field in both math and the technical know-how bordering on mechanical or electrical engineering, while being alright at both.

or

Have one person focus entirely on the math and another person focus entirely on the technical, while each being the top 1% of their focus.

>> No.7245696

You autistic shit. Being a scientist that does experiments does not mean you trained to be technician for a lab or something else stupid like that your naive little brain thought about.

It means you are already a good scientist THAT JUST HAPPENED to work on labs.

>> No.7245873

It doesn't matter how much math you actually need when working as an experimental physicist. You need a shitload of math if you want to come even close to a Physics degree.

>> No.7245882

>>7245873
But le Sheldon says otherwise xD

>> No.7246442

why is everybody so fucking scared of math?

>> No.7247838

>>7245696
Go back to /b/, retard.

>> No.7247845

as much as is required

>> No.7247858

>>7247838
Huh?

>> No.7247910

>>7245620
Through Laplace transforms and complex analysis.

>> No.7247922

>>7246442
Most people even treat their ineptitude like a badge of honor (I've seen physics undergrads do this). It's downright embarrassing. This is why we desperately need more popmath.

>> No.7247925

>>7245620
I'm not an experimental physicist, but it stands to reason that you would need to know a boatload of statistics (and as a consequence of that Fourier analysis and complex analysis). For the physics-specific math you would need it's really tough to say, because one branch of exp physics is not the other.

>> No.7247932

>>7245620
Vector Calculus, ODEs, PDEs, Vector Spaces, Applied Linear Algebra, Complex Variables, Calculus of Variations, Real Analysis, Topology, Measure Theory, Fourier Analysis, Special Functions, Probability, Statistics, Design of Experiments, Manifolds, Functional Analysis, Numerical Analysis, Dynamic Systems, Differential Geometry, Abstract Algebra, Lie Theory, and much much more

>> No.7247947

>>7247932
This is a stretch. An experimental physicist only needs what's taught to them, and even grad students won't go that in depth with anything past the normal undergrad math work. The rest is just being clever and resourceful with the experimental design. Theoretical phycisists need as much math as they can get their hands on, however.

>> No.7248325

>>7247932
Is you serious?

>> No.7248339

>>7247932
Is this true ? It's rather impressive. I'm a graduate student in maths and I have a good grasp of all of these fields, but not really more... If people doing physics do really master all of these fields then physics must be fucking hard and tougher than maths.

>> No.7248444

>>7247932
That's just not true.

>> No.7248454

>>7247932
That would be for a theoretical physicist.

>> No.7248540
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7248540

>>7247922
Popmath is obnoxious. I spend untold hours every semester squinting at a LaTeX editor typsetting problem after problem only for people who have never taken, nor have any interest in taking any proof-based courses to exclaim "Look at the pretty fractals! Isn't math awesome?! xD :P" and the like. The unfortunate thing about "pop" anything is that it convinces people that they're actually taking part and learning about an activity when they are, in reality, not even scratching the surface. Hence, you get a lot of Dunning-Kruger afflicted people running around. No thanks.

Pic definitely related.

>> No.7248550

>>7248325
>>7248339
>>7248444
>>7248454

ever heard about the guys working at CERN? The majority of them are experimentalists...

>> No.7248846

>>7248540
>The unfortunate thing about "pop" anything is that it convinces people that they're actually taking part and learning about an activity when they are, in reality, not even scratching the surface.

Still better than giving a fuck about science like most of the population.

>> No.7248854

>>7248550
>ever heard about the guys working at CERN?
theyre engineers

>> No.7248863

>>7247922
>This is why we desperately need more popmath.
>we need more idiots running around spouting nonsense like the sum of all positive integers is a negative fraction
no you stupid fucking sperg

>> No.7248937

>>7248339
>If people doing physics do really master all of these fields then physics must be fucking hard and tougher than maths.

It's only true for theoreticla physicists.

>> No.7249317

I'd assume graduate level maths. Physics did revolutionize some areas in mathematics and both areas do have somewhat of a good relationship. Most math majors tend to tag physics along anyway.

You should be doing a double major in physics and maths; if you want to become a full-fledged physicist. It's the norm and that's what most upcoming physicists do. There's no escaping mathematics.

>> No.7249989

>>7249317
>You should be doing a double major in physics and maths

Not for experimental physics.