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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_female

Wikipedia's article on women starts with this summary,

>A woman is a female human. The term woman is usually reserved for an adult, with the term girl being the usual term for a female child or adolescent. However, the term woman is also sometimes used to identify a female human, regardless of age, as in phrases such as "women's rights". "Woman" may also refer to a person's gender instead of their sex. Women are typically capable of giving birth from puberty until menopause, although some sterile, intersex and/or transgender women cannot. Throughout history women have assumed or been assigned various social roles.

…and to the right, the first person it holds up as an example of being a woman is Laverne Cox.

>Laverne Cox is an American actress, reality television star, television producer, and LGBT advocate,[1][2][3] best known for her portrayal of Sophia Burset on the Netflix television series Orange Is the New Black, for which she became the first openly transgender person to be nominated for an Primetime Emmy Award in the acting category,[4][5] and the first to be nominated for an Emmy Award since composer/musician Angela Morley in 1990.[6]

Cox is listed before Venus, Joan of Arc, Eva Perón, Marie Curie and Indira Gandhi. She replaced Sappho in this position. Nobody outside Kwa even knows who Laverne Cox is.

Wikipedia: The Free Dictionary Where Words Have Lost Their Meaning.

>> No.7186998

>>7186990
We've had this thread before

>> No.7187217

Just goes to show you, men are the best at everything, even being women.

>> No.7187220

>>7187217
/thread

>> No.7187301

Reminds me of the time when someone edited the picture at the top of the "Art" page to include an anime

>> No.7187316
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>>7187301
Here it is

>> No.7187320

>>7187301
How is anime not art? It's literally professional artists that produce it.

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>>7187316
Here it is on the wikimedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Art_portrait_collage.jpg

Original and current picture to the left

>> No.7187334

>>7187320
It's schlock made to appeal to unsophisticated nerds.

>> No.7187351

>>7187334
>I'm an elitist faggot.

More people appreciate it than "conventional" art so how does that no by definition make it higher quality art.

I don't even watch anime, but hipsters with their ivory tower pretentious shit piss me off, no one in the 21st century outside their delusional clique cares about some ugly oil paintings or modern cubeshit, we have better media today that is more appealing.

In any case the anime industry makes billions of dollars annually while the other retard "artists" starve. So justice prevails irrespective of some lofty jew controlling a wiki article.

>> No.7187353

>>7187334

Just because it's shitty art doesn't make it not art. If most people can agree that it's art then it's art, it's not some mathematical property.

>> No.7187356

>>7187320
Because it has no intellectual merit.

>> No.7187357

and this is why you can't even cite wikipedia on highschool papers

>> No.7187361

>>7187351
Such is the nature of pop culture ephemera. They have huge sudden surges in popularity then quickly fade into obscurity, while the true works of genius remain with us forever.

>>7187356
Nor aesthetic value.

>> No.7187372

>>7186990
That's what you get with PR.

>> No.7187378

>>7187351
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art

Art is used to pass a message. Anime don't have message. thus it isn't art. (I apologize for the massacre of english in this post)

>> No.7187381

>>7187378
>Art is used to pass a message. Anime don't have message

This is a really bad argument. Meaning is dependent on the observer, even something totally random can be meaningful to some people.

>> No.7187392

>>7187381
>This is a really bad argument. Meaning is dependent on the observer, even something totally random can be meaningful to some people.


PASS A MESSAGE. It's not about the receiver, it's about the sender. And jiggling boobies don't really "pass a message".

>> No.7187407

>>7187353
>If most people can agree that it's art then it's art
I would say it doesnt even have to be "most"

>> No.7187411

wait, so are you telling me shitty movies aren't art?
just because something is shitty doesnt mean its not art
just because something is art, doesnt mean it has to be valuable
art is just a classification

>> No.7187413

Another day another step towards totalitarianism, so progressive :^)

>> No.7187418

>>7187353
It's opium of civilisation designed to placate pathetic virgins like you with faker than fake implied sex while the elite continue to run society into the ground

>> No.7187424

>>7187418
>the elite continue to run society into the ground
like i care

>> No.7187432

>>7187424
Good boy :^)

>> No.7187440

>>7187392
>jiggling boobies don't really "pass a message".

You don't get it. Jiggling boobies can pass a message as good as any other. I have a codebook that says "jiggling boobies = attack at dawn". The specific sequence of bits doesn't make a difference.

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7187481

>>7187440
THE CODE HAS BEEN BREACHED ...
STOP
DO NOT TRUST ...
STOP
AGENT 231535634 ...
STOP
THE BOOBS MASON ...
STOP
WHAT DO THEY MEAN ...
STOP
**transmission over**

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7187484

>>7187378
>art
>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
Art does not have to pass a message. Such a definition is entirely meaningless because it is highly subjective throughout and way too broad and ambiguous.

I have never seen or heard of an anime that comes even close to art but I have seen many who have messages, albeit morronic ones.

>> No.7187488

>>7187484
So you quoted a definition, then made up your own anyway.

>> No.7187494

>>7186990
>Feminism portal
>Part of a series on
Feminism
>Part of a series on
Feminist philosophy
Wikipedia has become absolute trash. The term woman has NOTHING to do with feminism and especially not feminist philosophy.

Science has been replaced by propaganda.

>> No.7187497

>>7187488
>fallacious shitpost instead of arguments
You are legit sub 100 IQ and should stop posting.

>> No.7187510

>>7187497
> pot calling the kettle black
the fuck are you on?

>> No.7187512

>>7187497

It's the same guy who trolls every thread.

>> No.7187518 [DELETED] 

>>7187361
>while the true works of genius remain with us forever.
Like Start Trek :^)

>> No.7187519

>>7187512
Thanks, I don't browse this board that much anymore.

Why don't the mods do anything? People like him are the reason why /sci/ has become such a shithole in the first place.

>> No.7187529

>>7187512
I wasn't trolling.
Also
> There's only one troll.
>>7187484
>art
>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
Do you really think anime isn't created for emotional power?

>> No.7187534

What's extra funny is if you compare it to the page on "man"

>Like most other male mammals, a man's genome typically inherits an X chromosome from his mother and a Y chromosome from his father.

I also noticed that it doesn't link to any "Mens Rights Movement" portal.

>> No.7187540

>>7187529
Which anime would you consider to be art?

>> No.7187549

>>7187534
>I also noticed that it doesn't link to any "Mens Rights Movement" portal.

Double standards in action. Wikipedia, everybody.

>> No.7187550

>>7187540
How about Miyazaki's films?

>> No.7187551

>>7187540
Any that have emotional power.
Code Geass, NGE, Trigun, even SAO

Your definition doesn't just hold for paintings and noire films

>> No.7187572

>>7187551
>Code Geass, NGE, Trigun, even SAO
Reread the definition.

>primarily
>primarily
>primarily

The primary purpose of those shows is to entertain otaku, NOT to portray emotional power. Of course, if you ignore that single word, the definition suddenly becomes extremely broad and could potentially include everything, thus being entirely pointless.

On a side note, you have a shitty taste.

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>>7187351
>he thinks normies know about "anime" let alone watch this shit
btw i kekked at ur "muh i don't even watch anime but it's totally art"

>> No.7187587

>>7187572
I primarily watch them for their emotional power.
Just because it doesn't affect you the same way doesn't mean it's not art.
The definition of art is broad. So is mathematics and science.

> On a side note, you have a shitty taste.
I figured you'd say that.

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7187601

How does this make you feel?

>> No.7187625

>>7186990
>an example of being a woman
Ignoring the clause "sterile, intersex and/or transgender"
GTFO shitposter

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>>7187587
>producing works to be appreciated
NOT
>works that are appreciated by a single person

From now on I don't want to refer to google's definition anymore as I am not happy with it myself.

All this emotional power nonsense is not only highly subjective but also situational. The definition also implies that the creator can define whether his products are art or not.

To me something is art when it is not only something created to be beautiful but also the skill and effort behind it impresses me. When I look at something and am amazed because of the aforementioned two, I would consider it to be art.

>> No.7187665

>>7187440
compsci autist?

>> No.7187678 [DELETED] 

>>7187626
> To me something is art when it is not only something created to be beautiful but also the skill and effort behind it impresses me. When I look at something and am amazed because of the aforementioned two, I would consider it to be art.
I only commented because of the definition you quoted.
I would not try to sell anime to someone by calling it artistic.
And it's definitely not the pinnacle of art.
It's nice because it's cheaply made, like novels, so there's a lot more of it that gets siphoned through and it's easier for creators to experiment with.

I don't see how difficulty could really be a determining factor in whether or not something is art. Is Avatar with it's huge budget, army of animators, and cutting edge special effects to be considered art?
I think I see what you're saying. You only call art, what I call high art, but I couldn't give you a definition on what that is. The closest I could come up with, was the "snoodiness" of the primary users.

Out of curiosity, if you're the same person that said I had shit taste and if you watch anime, what's your favorite anime?

>> No.7187693

>>7187626
>All this emotional power nonsense is not only highly subjective but also situational

few sentences later...
>To me something is art when it is not only something created.. blah blah
>To me something is art when
>To me

nice intellectual and personal integrity you have there m8!

>> No.7187699

>>7187481
I know that this is the wrong board but sauce pls.
Also nice COD reference fag.

>> No.7187717

>>7187678
Yes, I am the same person. I really liked the Madoka movie trilogy. Calling you out for shit taste was banter, in case you didn't notice.

>>7187693
Yeah, I wrote "to me" to separate and stress that this is only my own view and noone else must adopt it, so per definition I maintained intellectual and personal integrity within this post.

>> No.7187817

>>7187626
The best definition of art I've come across is James Joyce's definition in "Portrait of the Artist", "the human disposition of sensible or intelligible matter for an aesthetic end."
Anime is obviously excluded by that definition (albeit except in a small number of notable cases), because anime is primarily created for a commercial end.

>> No.7187857

The purpose of a work of art is to intentionally cause, evoke, or elicit a subjective experience in the observer. Thus, at minimum, "art" must involve a creator and an observer.

When a subjective experience occurs in an observer without the presence of a creator, human beings often postulate the existence of an invisible or divine Artist.

The category of art that involves only the creator and the observer (at a bare minimum) is referred to as "performance art"; this encompasses oral poetry traditions, dance, comedy, theater, and some varieties of music (a cappella, gregorian monks, et cetera.)

Art which involves a creator, observer, and a third item - a medium - encompasses what is known as studio or media arts. The category includes sculpture, painting, embroidery, and the digital arts.

So, yes, anime is certainly "art". It simply isn't very good.

>> No.7187883

>>7187857

Addendum: another category of art exists, in which the medium has a secondary purpose other than to evoke a subjective experience (or in which the evocation is itself a secondary purpose, and another is primary.) This category includes weaving, crochet, lacemaking, the creation of ornamented tools, and so on. This category is considered "less" artistic because the media lack a singularity of purpose, but it remains art nonetheless.

(pls respond sci. I've been trying to refine my definition for weeks.)

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Anime will be considered art when all the old pretentious retards who cling to their lofty insular version of "art" to look down on the proletariat finally die off.

If you think anime is not art then you are a fool who will believe anything if someone who has high status tells it to you.

As an aside, I think the majority of anime is pandering, thinly veiled soft-core pornography garbage. Who could possibly argue that evangelion wasn't meant or is difficult to perceive as a work of art? Get over yourselves.

>> No.7187938

>>>/b/
>>>/a/
>>>anywhere but here

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>>7187217
Fucking ace post

>> No.7189789

>>7186990
Go and edit it, man.

>> No.7189820

>>7187817
>anime is primarily created for a commercial end

Most famous paintings were commissioned so are not art.

My shitty drawings are art because they were not created for a commercial end.

>> No.7189826

>>7187907
>Who could possibly argue that evangelion wasn't meant or is difficult to perceive as a work of art?

I thought it fucking sucked. Couldn't get past the second episode.

>> No.7189874

>>7187381
>This is a really bad argument.
>Literally using the definition of art to determine what art is is a bad argument
you're retarded.

>> No.7190576

Oh good.
A discussion about the definition of art on a science board.
What a good idea; I'm sure we'll all learn a lot from this, and not just get annoyed when other people have different, though equally without the ability to hold up to the least bit of inspection, definitions of art than I we each respectively hold.

Kill yourselves.

>> No.7190886

>>7187217
WOMEN BTFO