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>> No.7181735

>>7181725
so?
Who cares?

>> No.7181765

>>7181725
ayyy lmao

>> No.7181790

>>7181735
I'm sorry you're so jaded you can't appreciate anything cool.

>> No.7181820

>>7181790
his priorities are on other things, doesn't mean he's jaded.

cool is subjective.

I think this is neat as fuck, by the way.

>> No.7181839

>>7181820
Not the guy you're responding to but
>who cares
Isn't the same as
>I don't care

Anon never expressed any other priorities or interests, only attempted to imply that no one cares.

>> No.7181857

Ayy lmao

>> No.7182444

>>7181725
>http://www.nature.com/articles/nature14276.epdf?referrer_access_token=P65bTTOVZ-4ZJSBItU97ONRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Oiu03wDv6CUyOrDkvvRe0Y_Vvvl06MpYLZ1extd_hs6m0wyu77jtyHItdYPHTv1dCjOW24pFCD4ypSNrRpUPvOdogPYmrT3Nt8vQzbTuulaerAgC5yWG502gJC5G630r3VKINE1ooXw5memR3DlgAZvTQO9MPQiLuStD4nnlP7zlv56q7sQ-aVZM2LOyv5rpJl6w21O4tQ70cK4Ex2ouwHMLIY-8ExKjYbRrV7TehEXmB0dCP0N0lbO1jC5_Sifcp6h45CCPit8VQABOw-f3jKeSfFn53kivFSJf1hfFKGuQ%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=www.washingtonpost.com
Lrn2post-a-proper-URL-faggot
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v520/n7546/full/nature14276.html

>> No.7182449

>>7181735
>Who cares?
Certainly not a knuckle-dragging simian like yourself, obviously.

>> No.7182483

>>7181735
Are you the faggot who keeps bumping all the shitpost threads here?

>> No.7182643

First announcement of life will probably boost space budgets significantly.

>> No.7182671

Some people in NASA already know that aliens are visiting us.

I'd like a story on that instead.

>> No.7182700
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7182700

Of all the amazing ways we could discover life, most likely it will simply consist of some shitty NASA telescope picking up chemical traces in a distant star and finding out about it on a crappy reddit post.

>> No.7182707
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7182707

>>7182700
lel

but eventually the rate which we find more life bearing planets will probably increase

see this graph on exoplanet discovery

>> No.7182714

>>7182707

Yeah i think its pretty safe to say at this stage alot of life exists out there.

I guess that means we are living very dangerously or space travel really is impossible.

>> No.7182725

>>7182714
I'm not very clued into this, what's the current verdict on the viability of interstellar travel? Is there still no clear answer?

>> No.7182726

>>7182725

Nope, we are slow as shit, it would still take over a year to get to Mars with our best technology. (ETA to put a man on mars for NASA is 2030's)

>> No.7182730

>>7182726

SpaceX is like our only hope for anything at all interesting to happen in our lifetime.

>> No.7182731

>>7182725
Very impractical and slow even at its best.

Doesn't mean some alien civilization hasn't achieved it, probably even has. Detecting almost light speed spacecraft, radio and laser signals and feats of planetary engineering is one potential to find them.

>> No.7182741

>>7182714
>>7182725
you people make me laugh.

you pretend to be scientists, but when astronauts Buzz Aldrin, Edgar Mitchell and Neil Armstrong say UFOs exist and there is a coverup, you ignore it.

when 1000s of people say giant triangular UFOs hovered over an American city, they're just crazy nutters.

when thousands of new UFO videos are being released yearly onto popular social media youtube, you are too stupid to sift through the fakes and find the plausible ones.

You are the living embodiment of selection pressures favoring the stupid.

>> No.7182743

>>7182707
That graph really shows a new definition of confirmation being applied.

>> No.7182745

>>7182743
I know, but overall the direction is clear. That year or before Kepler was only directed to find exoplanets and found hundreds, which you can see.

Later this decade we'll be launching James Webb telescope AND the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite, both of which are way more powerful than anything before.

>> No.7182746

>>7182741
Lot's of thingies, absolutely zero evidence they are extraterrestrial.

>> No.7182748

>>7182745
JWST will only be used for followup, not planet detection.

>> No.7182750

>>7182748
Well, you get the point nonthless.

I'm pretty amateur on these, but it doesn't really take a genius to understand the vast quantity of planets and the meaningfulness of upcoming searches.

>> No.7182756

>>7182746
>lots of thingies flying around in space
>lots of things hovering in the sky
I believe the question posed was 'is interstellar travel possible' therefore why the fuck would this not be relevant even if it is man manmade technology?

Fucking morons the lot of you. Your brain shuts off to anything that isn't government/academically published, when clearly you can understand why such bodies would not want to publish information concerning this subject.

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7182760

>>7182756
Fuck off retard. You're so fucking stupid and derailing this thread into your unproven and not at all scientific crackpot theories.

>> No.7182767

We have cameras absolutely everywhere nowadays, not a single person has found a single legit UFO.

Please link a youtube video you describe that you actually think is real!

This should be hilarious.

>> No.7182769

>>7182760
Fucking SPACKTARD
I believe in UFOs. I can't claim that aliens exist, but there is plenty of evidence for craft which exceeds capabilities of current known technology available in the public domain. A51 recently came out and said "yes, we finally acknowledge that this installation exists and we have been experimenting on craft over the years- here are some ex-classified blueprints for craft from the cold war era but we're not going to say what we're working on now, fuck off"

So, Just Take Your Ignorance And Ram It Up Your Ass. Get off the internet.

>> No.7182776

>>7182756
>lots of things hovering in the sky
Obviously helicopters can travel between stars.

No, triangles in the sky is not evidence of interstellar travel.

>> No.7182782

>>7182769
y u mad tho

>> No.7182786

>>7182767
How about some nice NASA transcripts for you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy9euFudUIY

>> No.7182799

>>7182786

pretty good but still doesnt prove anything, just some astronauts who think they saw something with 0 proof

>> No.7182800

>>7182782
because trying to convince people of UFOs is like trying to convince creationists of evolution. I'm fed up.

>> No.7182801

>>7182786

I know you are trying your best but you can literally head down to your local store and buy a telescope and look for yourself if you want. People are doing this everyday with cameras attached to their telescopes, nobody has seen a ufo

>> No.7182803

>>7182800
>>7182801
People see UFOs everyday, it doesn't mean shit.

Sure some of them might be some secret government plane projects, so fucking what? I don't see how it relates to this thread at all.

>> No.7182811

>>7182803

It does relate to the thread, hes trying to say dont believe the news article the thread is about.
He thinks its fake and NASA is hiding aliens while releasing fake news articles to keep getting funded.
Even though by actually saying they had aliens they would get x1million more funding.

>> No.7182812

>>7182756
>I believe the question posed was 'is interstellar travel possible'
The question was if it's viable.

>> No.7182832

>>7182811
that's what you got from me?
No, I think the article is real and they have found complex molecules in space. That's a bit irrelevant if some people within NASA know that aliens already exist. Knowledge of UFOs will be on a need-to-know basis in the NASA roster. It's not some secret club- it's there to fulfill a function. If that role requires explanation of UFOs, they will be briefed accordingly. I'd imagine the penalties for breaching confidentiality would be quite severe as well.

>> No.7182839

>>7182801
there are literally thousands of UFO videos each year. These are very hard to prove so I just don't bother linking to them. Even if they come with radar evidence, that's not enough for people.

>> No.7182856

More and more factors of Drake equation can be estimated correctly, still, many crucial parts remain unanswered.

>> No.7182915
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7182915

>>7182671
There are plenty of stories on that. Just google "fiction"

>> No.7182923
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7182923

>>7182741

>> No.7182945

>>7182923
cool provocative self-bump
have another
also, go fuck yourself retard

>> No.7182961
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7182961

>>7182945
>muh alium konspirisy

>> No.7182965

>>7181725
>extraterrestrial life

Yeah who fucking cares. Call me when they find sentient life forms. I don't care about some organic molecules that you've found. You could go to Europa and find some bio cells on the floor, but NASA is too lazy for that.

>> No.7182989

>>7182961
>muh shitposting

>> No.7182994

>>7182965
>>extraterrestrial life
>Yeah who fucking cares. Call me when they find sentient life forms.

Fast forward 100 years. We find sentient life. The counterpart of quoted anon will be like:
>Wake me up when they find sentient life that knows Jesus Christ is our true and only God. I'm not interested in demons satan put into space to trick us!

>> No.7183032
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7183032

>>7182989
Don't post shit and you won't get shitposted in return. Simple.
Now fuck off to /x/ and stay there.

>> No.7183040

>aliens are real
>god isn't
Nice cognitive dissonance you've got there.

>> No.7183043

>>7183032
I hope you remember to eat your words in a couple decades.

>> No.7183048

>>7183040
One says something equivalent to us exists, one says something greater than us exists. If we know that we exist, then we know that we can exist and we know that equivalent life can also exist. You can't make a similar argument for something beyond what we know to exist.

>> No.7183052

>>7183040
Organic life arising on a planet is an observed fact.
God is not.

The probability ratio is infinitely in favour for aliens over god(s).

>> No.7183063

>>7183052
The sample size is only one thus extrapolation is inherently inaccurate.

Although you could argue forever that there is proof of God. It's up to personal interpretation whether it is God or just random chance.

In either case, there is as much physical evidence for life outside of Earth as there is for a God so believing in the possibility of one and not the other is cognitive dissonance.

>> No.7183079

>>7183063
>there is as much physical evidence for life outside of Earth as there is for a God

Give me 1 "complex-god-based-particle" in outer space.

>> No.7183084

>>7183079
#Winning

>> No.7183085

>>7183063
There's an inherent difference between "very powerful being that may or may not have created all life on earth" and the literal omnipotent being that we call "god".

You are correct that believing in extraterrestral life has about as much physical evidence as the super advanced being. But omnipotency breaks several laws of physics and thus can be safely discarded based on empirical evidence.

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>>7181725

>> No.7183111

>>7182714
>safe at this stage

It was always safe people shouldn't delude themselves by believing there is no other life out there. The universe is too big for us to be alone, if life can occur once it can and will again.

I'm going to be rolling in my grave laughing when humanity finds evidence of an interstellar/intergalactic race thousands, millions or even BILLIONS of years older than humankind.

>> No.7183143

>>7183063
>there is as much physical evidence for life outside of Earth as there is for a God so believing in the possibility of one and not the other is cognitive dissonance.

Life found on mars!

>there is as much physical evidence for life outside of Earth and Mars as there is for a God so believing in the possibility of one and not the other is cognitive dissonance.

Life found on exoplanet Kepler-296e

>there is as much physical evidence for life outside of Earth and Mars and Kepler-296e as there is for a God so believing in the possibility of one and not the other is cognitive dissonance.

I just put a glass half-full of water into my cupboard.
There's no physical evidence for it.

>there is as much physical evidence for a glass half-full of water being in my cupboard as there is for a God so believing in the possibility of one and not the other is cognitive dissonance.

>> No.7183160

>>7182915
not sure why but when i saw that thumbnail i thought it was gordon ramsay cooking over a bbq

>> No.7183491

>>7183063
>Although you could argue forever that there is proof of God
Which god? Cos I got a long list here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_deities
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285

>> No.7183715

>>7181735
..I do

>> No.7183750

>>7183063
>In either case, there is as much physical evidence for life outside of Earth as there is for a God so believing in the possibility of one and not the other is cognitive dissonance.

There's physical evidence for life.
There isn't physical evidence for God.

>> No.7183882

>>7182741
/x/ pls go

>> No.7184035

>>7182714
>I guess that means we are living very dangerously or space travel really is impossible.

For 3.5 billion years, Earth's lifeforms could do nothing to reach other stars. At best, and on remotest chances, microbial lifeforms could survive being blasted off Earth in ejecta and then survive transit and re-entry to other rocky worlds in the same solar system... only to then be subjected to an alien environment with a different temperature range, pressure and chemical composition. The temperature extremes alone pretty much dictate that intra-system panspermia would be nearly miraculous if it ever occurred. But between stars? Balderdash.

Of course, the Milky Way is about 8 billion years old, and there are many stars that are older than our own. So there might well be biospheres out there that had reached our level of advancement (which includes intelligent life that achieves spaceflight) billions of years ago. Millions of years ago, EASILY.

Yet we see no Dyson Structures around other stars, albeit we've had a low level of sampling said stars. There might be 100 thousand to 1 million stars in our Milky Way catalogs that have been sufficiently gazed at, that a Dyson Structure around them would be detected. To date, there have been no serious candidates for these structures, since their emissions would be unambigiously artificial.

For some reason, spacefaring life is extremely rare. There could easily be 1000 civilizations just like ours in the Milky Way, but we'd see none of them. If 1000 such civilizations were spread in a single plane of the galaxy's ecliptic, excluding about 20KLY of the core, each civ would sit in the middle of an area of about 7.5x10^6 square LY, or a circular zone about 1500 lightyears across. So the nearest civ to any particular civ would be 1500 LY away, on average. That's a huge distance.

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>>7184035
>Yet we see no Dyson Structures around other stars
Two things that get pointed out every time you spout this retarded shit:

>You're an idiot if you think we've thoroughly scanned and studied every star in our neighborhood, let alone our entire galaxy

and

>It may be a sign we're looking at these things the wrong way. Us looking for giant dyson structures today may be like past generations looking out for giant smokestacks and coaling stations for proof of advanced civilizations

>> No.7184705

>>7182643
Doubt it tbh.

>> No.7184723

>>7183750
the Bible is physical evidence

>> No.7184752

>>7184035
>we see no Dyson Structures around other stars
A dyson sphere is a brainless exercise in megascale engineering. It's like using a 20MW turbine with no off switch to power your lawn mover.

Anyone serious about long term energy supplies and stellar scale engineering will instead aim to suppress the stars fusion process by siphoning fuel off it to use in distributed small scale, on demand fusion. Creating one or many non-fusing brown dwarves, stellar hydrogen rings discs and other storages. Unless you want to build a laser that can one-hit kill entire solar systems there will be no use for the total output of a star, so you'd instead ensure the deep future by cataloguing slow burning stars and establishing colonies and fuel reserves around these and tune the civilization levels to be sustainable for hundreds of billions of years around these fuel nodes instead of overbuilding a giant superciv around a hot and fast burning star that will spread galactic unrest and chaos once that starts to evolve in a few billion years.

>> No.7184774

>>7183882
No. /x/ is shit.

We've been over this a thousand times.

People are absolute shit. Fuck off.

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>>7184723

>> No.7184806
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>>7182741

>> No.7184814

>>7184806
It's not proof, it's evidence.
Fucking redneck.

>> No.7184841

>>7184752
>Unless you want to build a laser that can one-hit kill entire solar systems there will be no use for the total output of a star
We can't allow a solar system destruction gap

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7184842

>>7184752
>Unless you want to build a laser that can one-hit kill entire solar systems
>implying we don't

>> No.7184849

>>7184814
"it's useless shit that says nothing so I'll call that evidence"

nope try again

>> No.7184870

>>7184814
You remember Carl Sagan, right? He more than anyone wanted to know if there is life littered amongst the stars. He was incredibly enthusiastic about life elsewhere in the universe. And yet this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAUCr9OorXU

He always said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". He said things like "We need imagination and skepticism both".

"It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas … If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you … On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful ideas from the worthless ones"

>> No.7184871

>>7184849
Fucking morons like you that don't even understand what a theory is should not reproduce.

>> No.7184873

>>7184870
Exactly. My mission is to educate /sci/tards that skepticism is not the solution. I can not say aliens are real, but I will not dismiss the idea altogether, especially considering the material out there that points in favor of UFOs existing. I feel like I am beating the dead horse and it fucking infuriates me to no end. You're just telling me what my position already is. Thanks, I guess.

>> No.7184916

>>7184873
>My mission is to educate /sci/tards that skepticism is not the solution
>I feel like I am beating the dead horse and it fucking infuriates me to no end
Nobody is listening (for good reason), nobody wants you here. Just fuck off.

>> No.7184918

I want to stick my benis in blue ayy lmaos :DDDDD

>> No.7184928
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7184928

>>7182741
>aliens traveled across the galaxy/universe just to stare into people's windows at night and fly around in the sky

>> No.7184938

>>7184928
>governments allow planes to crash into their home country just to justify a war.

Don't you find it weird that we invented the transistor the same year aliums crashed at Roswell? Am I watching too much Hangar 1?

>> No.7184954

>>7182714
My theory is that life itself is abundant, as long as the minimum requirements are met, but civilization is not. Life has existed on earth for a long time, relative to it civilization is very recent. So, maybe there are a lot of planets out there with dinosaurs and spider-dragons things, but nothing that could send interstellar signals, at least in our neighborhood. Besides that, there are other factors, like we just recently started looking for something.

And space travel is most definitely not impossible. We certainly can not do it right now, but we have existed for some time now and a little more we will make it. Some things missing is a powerful propulsion, asteroid deflection, radiation shielding and life support and we are set.

>> No.7184955

>>7184938
if we have the ship of aliens advanced enough to travel the cosmos, how do we not have flying cars yet?

>> No.7184973

>>7184814
What's the evidence you're referring to in this case?

>> No.7184993

I really like some replies to this story. I never thought about how we may become the ones who are watching instead of being watched. lol

>> No.7185298

>>7184955
>babby's first into xenopolitics
Would you give everyone on Earth access to antimatter bombs?
Besides, you assume humans are capable of understanding and reproducing alien craft. They may have recovered a few copies, but that's it.

>> No.7185300

>>7184916
nice attitude faggot
I fucked your mother last night.

>> No.7185305

>>7184955
Flying cars suck were predicted when the power consumption of the average person was increasing. It didn't take into account the growing population of Earth and the limited energy resources available.

What we need is efficiency. MORE TRAINS!

>> No.7185372

>>7182643

probably won't occur, given that there's no financial benefit from it

space budgets only get boosted when defense budgets are boosted

>> No.7185380

>>7182741
Fuck you and fuck your space faring, bobble headed, grey skinned humanoids.

>> No.7185383

>>7182756
>when clearly you can understand why such bodies would not want to publish information concerning this subject
explain

>> No.7185422

>>7185305
Funny thing is we have hover trains, but not hover cars. We need more hover trains.

>> No.7185889

>>7182801
>>7182839

Wait so people think ufos aren't real? I'm not talking about they actually being ayys or whatever. I'm just talking about shit like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_0bYut3EyQ

So when you say "Nobody has seen a ufo" do you mean ufos aren't necessarily aliens or that literally every single piece of evidence has been forged? I'm curious because I alone have seen UFO's at least 5-6 times which happened at completely unrelated times and places where I wasn't out there looking for ufo's, this I can't prove obviously but know is true, so I can't imagine it would be too hard or too uncommon for anyone to experience this by pure probability. Even less so if you're actively looking for them. Thousands upon thousands of people have seen them and there are equally as much videos. Some of which look fake as fuck and some of which cannot simply be denied. Just start looking up.

>> No.7185905

>>7185889
to a dumb person everything in the sky is a ufo

>> No.7186395

>>7185889
It's because the people who browse this board are underage and/or complete idiots.

Just try to weather them like the preteen fucktards they are. It's hard, but there's no other way.