Neil "smoke" DeGrasse Tyson

[Anonymous No.7152881]

How does this make you feel, /sci/?

[Anonymous No.7152889]

>>7152881
It makes me feel dank

[Anonymous No.7152915]

>>7152881

[Anonymous No.7152922]

>>7152881
Lame and gay. This version is much more appealing, visually at least, which is how we learn and store symbolic information:

ILTFHEKXVYMWANUJPRBDOCGQSZ

[Anonymous No.7152923]

>>7152915
Its clearly the letters of the alphabet converted into numbers in base 7 and then sorted in alphabetical order

[Anonymous No.7152932]

>>7152915
>>7152923
AY AYCH ARR BEE KYOO DEE DOUBLE-YOO EEE EFF EL EM EN ES EKS DJEE AIGH JAY KAY OH PEE SEE TEE VEE WIGH YOO ZEE

He messed up with "I". I wonder how he was spelling these, spelling sounds is subjective, that's why my version is better: >>7152922

[Anonymous No.7152935]

>>7152881
I don't understand. I thought alphabetical meant in the order of the Alphabet, like A-Z.

Am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.7152940]

>>7152935
aye bee see dee ee eff gee aitsch ai jay kay el em en oh pee cue arr es tee you vee double-you
or something like that
very clever mr. Black Science.

[Anonymous No.7152945]

>>7152935
it wasn't typed properly, he meant the phoenetics of each letter representing a letter itself, such that A pronounced sounds like AYE and starts with A and H sounds like A so we might say it 'starts' with an A if it were spelled.

>>7152932
Very subjective, you're spelling consonance that start with their own letter like T then some how K comes after T?
how is Tee before Kay?

[Anonymous No.7152976]

>>7152945
>ILTFHEKXVYMWANUJPRBDOCGQSZ

This is a visual/aesthetic ordering. I chose this because humans are primarily visual. Notice how you all were having a hard time figuring out what BSG was saying? That's because he used the sound of the letters to order them.

I chose an ordering system that relied on brush stroke complexity and direction/angle. So:

I = 1 stroke
L T = 2 strokes
F E H = 3 strokes
K = 3 strokes but now with some angles
X V = 2 angled strokes
Y = 3 strokes (not paired with K because of the V pattern from XVYM)
M W = 4 angled strokes/up-down zig zag
A N = complicated strokes, this is where they fit best
U J = 1 looping stroke
P R B = 1 backbone stroke with at least 1 upper semi-circle, evolving towards...
D = 1 backbone stroke and full semicircle
O C G Q = circles w/ variation
S Z = circular motions for S, angled mirroring of S in Z

[Anonymous No.7153014]

>>7152881
>pronouncing H as "aych", not "haych"

[Anonymous No.7153016]

>>7152945
If you wanted an ordering for most efficient typing (using the hand positions you were supposed to learn in 1st grade typing class):

PFMCLDUWGY
HSOTEAINR
ZXKBVJQ

Also, I can't think of ANY good reason the letters c, u, and m, are all so close in frequency lol

[Anonymous No.7153023]

>>7152976
>mfw order of the alphabet changes when you use a different font

[Anonymous No.7153029]

>>7152881
Explain

[Anonymous No.7153039]

>>7153016

[Anonymous No.7153049]

>>7152976
If you're doing things by numbers of lines ("strokes")

It should be
I J L
C O G D P B R
S Z N
U V M W
T Q A Y X
F E H K

[Anonymous No.7153054]

>>7153014
The way I look at it, the letter itself is called "aych" and was pronounced as you'd think.
But then times changed and we now pronounce it "haych", but the spelling is the same.

The same goes for "zed". Just because Americans pronounce it "zee" doesn't mean the name of the letter itself has changed.

[Anonymous No.7153069]

>>7153054
Technically, the name of the letter is hā.

It's the Latin Alphabet. You're using it for the same reason the Germans, Spanish and French, and yes, my fellow Americans use it. Your pronunciation of the letters has no greater bearing on the name of the letter than the German or Spanish.

It's hā, from the Latin.

[Anonymous No.7153075]

>>7153069
The english alphabet is clearly not the Latin alphabet, otherwise what are these strange meaningless "J" and "U" and "W" characters?

[Anonymous No.7153080]

>>7153075
You only get to name the letters you invent.

[Anonymous No.7153082]

Why the fuck did he put Q between B and D?

kjoo? wat?

[Anonymous No.7153085]

>>7153082
cue you fucking aspie

[Anonymous No.7153097]

>>7152881
>being this fucking gay

[Anonymous No.7153114]

>>7153016
>cum

[Anonymous No.7153121]

The real problem with this is that the pronunciation of letter in the english alphabet (as with almost any alphabet) changes with regional variations

Might as well put it in IPA

[Anonymous No.7153145]

>>7153049
You might be onto something, but only if we were allowed to simplify some of the characters. I'm still gonna reorder some things as I test this out.

Did some stroke simplifying tests in pic related. The order of the light blue letters are:
IJLYTFPRBDGEQCO
UWMNAVZSKXH

I'm betting I can whittle these down a bit more.

[Anonymous No.7153172]

/tv/ quiz: JFK blew nymph drags cox

[Anonymous No.7153188]

>>7153145
What if you ordered by initial stroke direction followed by secondary strok direction
I = top down
J = top down left
L = top down right
C = top down right
D = bottom up right
Z = top left down left
S = top right down right
N = bottom up down right up
Etc etc

[Anonymous No.7153283]

>>7153188
Possibly. I'm thinking this should be ordered as close to
>stroke/symbol difficulty
>how the letter is used (phenomenally)
>direct symbolic-phenome designation

That means all letters are going to be attempted to look how they sound. Like synaesthesia.

I'm also going to try and do what I'm finding out is the "standard 40 essential phenomes".

Wish me luck, I'll try and update a bit with my progress before this thread dies.

[Anonymous No.7153298]

>>7153283
the "40 phenomes" do not include a lot of sounds available to the human mouth.

"Ch" or "th" just for example aren't really present.

You should work with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet as a purely pronounciation based human sound posability.

[Anonymous No.7153354]

>>7153054
Well, in portuguese we pronounce z is zee too, that's what I call it in english, zed is retarded.

[Anonymous No.7153391]

>>7152881
English speaking person 'defining' Latin alphabet. How retarded do you want it to be?

[Anonymous No.7153397]

>>7152922
How about qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcbvnm

[Anonymous No.7153400]

>>7152881
slightly confused quickly followed by boredom

[Anonymous No.7153476]

>>7153014
haych is actually incorrect

like when people say "an history" instead of "a history" to sound intelligent and correct.

or like when people think the plural of octopus is "octopi"

this is especially an epidemic in britbongland, where everyone feels the need to speak the king's, without even a tenuous glance into the relevant linguistics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IvWoQplqXQ

[Anonymous No.7153478]

>>7153069
>doesn't know that etymological fallacy is a thing

[Anonymous No.7153482]

>>7153476
to be clear, "a history" is correct, and "an history" is not.

also the proper pluralization of "octopus" is "octopus" unless you are referring to more than one species, in which case its "octopodes" but given how esoteric the latter is, you might as well consider "octopus" to be the proper interspecial pluralization as well

[Anonymous No.7153485]

>>7153476
also since i am being really pedantic here, that "Acronym" in the video, is actually an initialism, not an acronym

[Anonymous No.7154569]

bump to keep alive

[Anonymous No.7154599]

>>7153476
>haych is actually incorrect
Things like this are only correct or incorrect because someone arbitrarily decreed it to be this way, or because of some stupid tradition no-one wants to get rid of. Like 28 days in February.

If H stands for the voiceless glottal transition in English, then I am going to pronounce the name of the letter with a fucking voiceless glottal transition, and there's nothing you can do to fucking stop me. Plus, keep in perspective how screwed up English is to begin with (through, rough, cough, dough).

Also, fuck you February.

[Anonymous No.7154600]

What sort of a retard says H with an A sound?

[Anonymous No.7154658]

>>7152976
>>7153016
>>7153049
>>7153145
>>7153283
This is far better content than I was expecting tbh. GJ guys :^)

[Anonymous No.7154668]

>>7154600
>What sort of a retard says H with an A sound?

H-how else would you say it?

[Anonymous No.7154672]

>>7154668
see
>>7153014

[Anonymous No.7155121]

>>7153283
>>7154658
Ok, after working into the night, and finally getting up from konking out and bre'fast and shi, this is what I was able to get done.

I researched into artificial languages even more than my most recent foray sometime around last year. Back then I found out about Bliss and Blissymbols. I had already been constructing a character based language when I found Bliss, but it pushed the project further. I eventually had to put it on the backburner while other work took it's place, but like I said, this thread gave me a reason to pick it up again.

Nevertheless, I did more research yesterday, and low and behold found something that had aspects I had been trying to implement in my own project, a language constructed in the 1800s called Solresol. It combined colors, and the solfege (do re mi fa so la ti). So, I went back to the drawing board.

I started with a few parameters I wanted to try and include:

>symbols that are onomatopoeia
>spoken words that are onomatopoeia
>symbols use chakras (colors + solfege)
>words are animated

The animated bit I thought would make for an interesting future language, where a word would loop it's animation on a page, in an attempt to replicate the "visuals" of how a sound forms.

So, obviously, I started with the vowels. I tried to tweak the solfege to just be able to be represented by vowels, so..
>do, ray, me, fah, so, la, tee
became
>oo, ay, ee, ah, oh, eh, i

Next came the symbols. As an animator, I know that the vowels make up most of the "essential" mouth shapes (most consonants can be shown as just closed teeth), so I went with symbols that tried to replicate these mouth shapes simply.

I then expanded the basic vowels to include all the (listed) possible vowel sounds, creating new symbols from the base ones by mirroring the shape of the symbol but using the color from the modifier sound.

So now the list goes

>oo, you, ay, ey, (it), ee, ah, (got), ow, uh, eh, oh, (book), (add), (ice)

(cont.)

[Anonymous No.7155124]

>>7155121
Then I wrote up a bunch of ways to alternatively write the vowels from the first two rows. Next is the consonants, but in the meantime I can post the character based language I made last year.

[Anonymous No.7155125]

>>7155124

[Anonymous No.7155130]

What a tipper.

I don't mind the guy or his scientific interest, but stunts like this make me wonder if he has autism.

[Anonymous No.7155144]

>>7153354
You can call it whatever you damn well please, but that doesn't change the name of the letter, which in English is "zed".
The name is not the same as the pronunciation. I mean "double-u" doesn't actually have a 'w' sound anywhere in it.
Likewise, there is no need for "aych" to actually contain a 'h' sound.
Pronouncing it as "haych" has become the norm, whether correct or not. But the letter is still spelled "aych".

[Anonymous No.7155160]

>>7152881
>A H R B Q D
>B Q D
>Q
How do you pronounce "Q"? I thought it was supposed to be pronounced like queue.

[Anonymous No.7155165]

>>7155160
>using the letter Q to explain how to pronounce the letter Q
Nice recursion m8
It's "cue" btw

[Anonymous No.7155171]

>>7155160
barbequeue

[Anonymous No.7155216]

>>7155130
I think he's just trying to "engage with today's youth". Unfortunately, that seems to mean doing stupid shit on the internet.