How many of the ones with Physics degree get a physics related job?

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Anonymous Sat Feb 21 03:59:28 2015 No.7081494 [Reply] [Original]

How many of the ones with Physics degree get a physics related job?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:06:46 2015 No.7081506 phys/biochem now an insurance agent >kek

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:07:17 2015 No.7081508
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Study optics. There isn't a prevalent branch of engineering related to optics, so as far as industry is concerned, optics is still exclusively a "physics-related" field. You'll basically be a glorified engineer developing Blu-Ray readers and shit, but hey, at least it's a job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:07:34 2015 No.7081509 Here in the Netherlands that number is pretty high, and if it isn't in physics then in finance, consultancy or R&D. Can't imagine someone like that only being able to get a call centre job, he must be really bad at interviews.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:08:58 2015 No.7081511 >>7081494 1/5 to 1/4 in my country.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:19:59 2015 No.7081528 >>7081506 how do you feel about that?

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:27:09 2015 No.7081536

>>7081528
quite alright, since i mainly went to college to learn about the world and not for a career. When i was doing research in biophys (we were measuring force distributions on DNA hairpins and histones with optical traps) i wasnt a fan of the type of work and didnt really want to do anything like it for my entire life. i dont think i would go back even if i could find a good job. im learning the social and communicational skills, which i passed up doing two hard disciplines in uni, in this field now. also making 5k after sitting with someone for two hours feels fucking great, and happens more often than a breakthrough in research.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:27:18 2015 No.7081537 >>7081494 Don't become a scientist, it's not a valid career anymore. <span class="math">^1[/spoiler] ___ 1. http://physics.wustl.edu/katz/scientist.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:27:29 2015 No.7081538 >>7081508 Glasses manufacturing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:28:18 2015 No.7081539 >>7081508 There was an anon the other day that claimed he was an undergrad in "optics engineering".

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:30:07 2015 No.7081541 File: 63 KB, 1170x923, nigshkexjs8jjaqm6nm1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081537 I never asked for these feels.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:34:58 2015 No.7081546

>computer science
lol enjoy getting outsourced
>engineering
lol enjoy your autism and not even a real science
>mathematics & physics
lol enjoy ending up in software development because no jobs
>biology psychology
lol soft science
>humanities
lol hobby degrees

according to 4chan it's best to go to a trade school and be a welder or a plumber because only that will net you a job

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:38:41 2015 No.7081551 >>7081494 comp sci >media production

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:46:52 2015 No.7081556 >>7081494 My physics teacher had a master degree in astronomy from the best university in my country, arguably one of the hardest degrees to get. Needless to say, he ended up as a highschool teacher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:47:21 2015 No.7081557 >>7081556 >Needless to say, he ended up as a highschool teacher. jesus christ I'd kill myself

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:47:47 2015 No.7081558 >>7081556 >astro >hard pick one

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:48:06 2015 No.7081559 >>7081537 >tfw physics grad student and nowhere to go, probably end up like OP's pic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:51:58 2015 No.7081564 >>7081546 >according to 4chan it's best to go to a trade school and be a welder or a plumber because only that will net you a job Well 4chan was right again, as usual.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:54:03 2015 No.7081567

>>7081556
>arguably one of the hardest degrees to get.

This is the thing you faggots don't understand, it's not "hard" just because it's archaic. There's no competition in those degrees, try doing a real degree where the competition is just as if not smarter than you are and you'll see why they earn those high salaries.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 04:54:57 2015 No.7081568 >>7081564 my dad's a construction worker his back is complete shit because of his grueling manual labor job but it paid the bills i don't think it's worth it if you actually have a choice of choosing a white collar job

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:00:50 2015 No.7081575 >>7081568 I imagine sitting at a desk 9 hours a day for 40 years doing little exercise can also have a significant impact on your health too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:02:22 2015 No.7081579 >>7081575 >wether you do excercise or not is not your decision. There might be phases, where you have no time for it. but usually you have the choice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:03:09 2015 No.7081582 >>7081568 Tell your dad some anon on 4chan told you to tell him "shoulda done deads, faggot".

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:03:39 2015 No.7081583 >>7081575 I imagine going for a run every other morning, doing some push ups during your breaks and not eating like a slob also has a significant impact on your health.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:05:43 2015 No.7081586 >>7081583 We both know most people don't do this.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:07:14 2015 No.7081590

>>7081575
you're looking at potential obesity and inactivity related problems which can be solved by exercising regularly

lifting heavy equipment 8 hours a day for 20 years, you're looking at spine deformities,inflamed discs, bone degradation etc good luck dealing with the chronic pain for the rest of your life

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:11:41 2015 No.7081598 >>7081586 And we both know that this is actual problem, not the office jobs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:24:48 2015 No.7081627 File: 41 KB, 455x410, frog9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081509 > That feel when not even being invited to interviews

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:26:12 2015 No.7081631 >>7081627 just start your own bus- >oh wait >science students >capable of being independent top kek and then people here mock startups

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:29:31 2015 No.7081635 >>7081631 People here mock anything that makes them feel inadequate. It's pretty pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:46:30 2015 No.7081672 File: 411 KB, 245x278, Feels.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081537 Oh God, shouldn't have read that.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 05:56:13 2015 No.7081690

>>7081672
I mean it's not anything /sci/ hasn't told you a thousand times before: if you want a technical career with science undergrad get a PhD at a top school and be better than all your peers. Did you really have to read it from a professors public blog? It's not as if those same professors don't post on /sci/...

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:00:20 2015 No.7081695 >>7081672 don't worry you can always just be a programmer like all the other failed mathematicians and physicists

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:08:49 2015 No.7081714 >>7081631 Not a student. PhD. I don't have money for a startup.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:10:08 2015 No.7081718 >>7081695 Rly? You think you can compete all those fresh youngsters who not so arrogant and brainwashed like PhDs are?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:11:09 2015 No.7081719 >>7081714 No is ever going to give investment capital to fucking physicist, what did you expect? Get a job in academia before you wind up in off yourself after your tech support shift.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:13:43 2015 No.7081722 >>7081718 well if you can't compete with fucking CS students what hope do you think you ever had in math or physics

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:16:04 2015 No.7081725 >>7081722 CS is waaay harder than maths, but you'll be competing against IT techs which CS graduates are too important for.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:16:31 2015 No.7081727 File: 87 KB, 684x576, Lots+and+lots+of+pepe+the+sad+frog+images+its+_762bb0a5843e4a153f0ac88814ea74ea.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread is the most delusion-shattering hellhole I've ever been to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:21:38 2015 No.7081732 >>7081719 Neither was I asking for it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:23:08 2015 No.7081735 >>7081727 Lol dude how old are you? That copypasta has been there for like 10 yrs or so. You're like born yesterday. Everyone knows how fucked academia is these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:23:50 2015 No.7081737 Just go to engineering, you dolts. You get to learn the science and the skills to actually apply the science for money. You can do the discovering and research thing on your spare time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:26:14 2015 No.7081741 >>7081735 When you start studying stuff like math or physics, everybody will tell you how you are needed in industry and everywhere, that you will basically have a guaranteed job and so forth. People usually notice way too late that was utter bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:26:59 2015 No.7081743 http://physics.wustl.edu/katz/scientist.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:27:58 2015 No.7081745 >>7081737 >Just go to engineering, you dolts. Engineering's job prospects aren't any better than most other degrees, it's all bullshit, trade jobs are the the only way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:29:47 2015 No.7081746 >>7081741 this

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:31:18 2015 No.7081748
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>>7081745
>Engineering's job prospects aren't any better than most other degrees
You're pretty retarded if you actually think this is true lol.

I'm sure glad people still go into physics and maths and all that shit, ultimately less competition for based engineer. Stay the fuck out of my puddle faggots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:32:25 2015 No.7081750 >>7081741 let it be, he will realize that when the time comes, they all do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:35:29 2015 No.7081755 File: 21 KB, 146x175, 1401296905618.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081537 >I have known more people whose lives have been ruined by getting a Ph.D. in physics than by drugs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:36:39 2015 No.7081756 >>7081748 >not being part of physics dropout masterrace I switched to business administration and mechanical engineering last year and stopped crying myself to sleep when thinking about my future since.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:40:28 2015 No.7081759 >tfw switched engineering to physics

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:40:56 2015 No.7081761

>>7081748
I'm a chemical engineer employed in the petroleum industry and I can assure you it is, many of my classmates are struggling to get employed for over a year now. It's not a massive unemployment rate, but it's not that much lower than most other bachelor degree holders.

I wouldn't even say this to try and control the profession because I know most Physics and Math majors are too retarded to pass/get into ChemE despite how much their professors boost their egos. The economy hits everyone including engineers. The STEM craze is complete bullshit, the actual shortage is of technicians, nothing to do with university degree holders.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:42:24 2015 No.7081765 >>7081759 latabo

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:43:25 2015 No.7081766 >>7081759 Your own fault for not doing your research, time to get on your knees and suck the dean's cock until he lets you back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:46:15 2015 No.7081771 >>7081766 Meh, I went into it only because of interest. Any job better than driving a bus and I'm fine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:55:30 2015 No.7081778 >>7081508 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_engineering ???

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 06:57:23 2015 No.7081781 File: 15 KB, 400x305, 3473922.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think it's time for a little consolidation.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:04:18 2015 No.7081788

>>7081494
>>7081781

So is this the /sci/ equivalent of an "ss is a troll" /fit/ threads where people are disappointed from their results even though we told you exactly what to expect, but you ignored us and pretended to know better?

You got strength gains like we said, obviously you're not going to look like Zyzz.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:07:27 2015 No.7081791 >>7081741 Completely agree

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:26:51 2015 No.7081801 >>7081690 > It's not as if those same professors don't post on /sci/... kek >implying

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:29:49 2015 No.7081804

If you're physics fags here I was wondering something earlier and you might be able to help

Say you had two giant plastic boxes, filled with water of equal weight. If you heated up the second box, so all the water turned to steam (can't escape) would it still weigh the same as the box with the water liquid?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:32:14 2015 No.7081806 >>7081804 OH FUCK YOU OKAY?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:34:35 2015 No.7081809 >>7081804 plastic melts, gas escapes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:34:57 2015 No.7081810 >>7081745 This. That's only a reason I don't want to live in this World. Im not even talking about what is right, what is wrong. It's just that I personally do not fit. And that's the whole story. I do not fit. Perhaps, I need to quit

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:37:50 2015 No.7081813 >>7081756 You also forget that many PhD guys are unable to find sales job since they won't simply be hired. It's not just about you being flexible to change the occupation, it's more about the employer who'd be extremely suspicious of you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:42:56 2015 No.7081818 >>7081810 Iktf, m8.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:49:37 2015 No.7081826 >>7081804 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:53:34 2015 No.7081831 >>7081804 >what is heavier 1kg steel or 1kg feathers

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:53:53 2015 No.7081832

Why the fuck are you faggots being so depressed? It's only obvious that you have to be the best and the least common denominator for scientists was lowest for years alredy. Of course there are people with Ph.D. in Physics who will end up in a call centre. When you enter academia and wish to one day work at it not only do you have to be the most brightest one, you also have to be the most sociable one, the one who has the biggest network and overall the best one of the lot. If you're not one of the top in your faculty expect the shoe when the real-life calls. You're "scientist" are seriously pathetic. Man the fuck up or get the fuck out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 07:58:10 2015 No.7081838 Why do people say Maths and Physics are much needed in the work place, when there are barely any jobs that require them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:01:49 2015 No.7081840 >>7081831 >what is weight vs mass >what is buoyancy >what is solid suspension in fluids

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:02:25 2015 No.7081841 >>7081840 Shh, they don't teach those in first grade.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:02:29 2015 No.7081842 >>7081838 Good question, I have no idea why they do that. But it's a fucking horrible thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:03:33 2015 No.7081843 >>7081838 Did you know lit. major departments tell their students the exact same thing? Did you know those students are retarded enough to believe it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:06:26 2015 No.7081846 >>7081843 Holy shit. I know we're complaining but imagine being a fucking lit. grad student.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:08:28 2015 No.7081847

Also I have been applying for science AND industrial jobs for like half a year without any success. Ok, for sure I am far from being a star, but where the fuck do all those average people find jobs at all? Actually all the depression and frustration is behind. I don't even care anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:08:47 2015 No.7081849 >>7081832 Underage

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:10:32 2015 No.7081850

>>7081838
When people finish many wont want to actually continue those topics so they choose jobs where their knowledge is appreciated. Mathematicians frequently go to finance, physicists to engineering type jobs.

Regardless of anecdotes unemployment in these fields is low.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:12:59 2015 No.7081853

>>7081847
>industry
You studied a background degree to engineering, you have no reason to expect someone would just hand you a professional job in the industry. Even a second year engineering student is more employable than you are right now.

In terms of science it's over saturated with PhD applicants with tons of publications as the link posted earlier ITT mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:14:18 2015 No.7081854 >>7081804 Generally they would be the same. In fine detail the heated one would be heaver due as the thermal energy has equivalent mass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:19:05 2015 No.7081859 >>7081737 you'll also learn your way around a cock

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:19:45 2015 No.7081860 File: 186 KB, 500x376, 1365494719124.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >plan on going to medschool #NOFEAR

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:25:13 2015 No.7081863 >>7081849 I'm probably older than 80% of this board, fag.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:25:38 2015 No.7081864

>>7081853
> you have no reason to expect someone would just hand you a professional job in the industry

Accept the observation that many physicists do end up in industry. Not to mention these companies advertise for physics grads. There are development roles in industry which physicists are more suited.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:25:39 2015 No.7081865
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so masters business and engineering everybody?
or maybe finance?
or maybe use any qualifications we have to move out of our shitty countries into actually functioning social democracies?
maybe stop bitching about the fact that our extended childhoods are over and learn to lie on our cv and grift our way out of poverty until we develop the connections to get careers in our respective fields?
tutor kids in high income coastal communities, surf everyday, find love when theres more to the anti-social guy thats reading all the time than meets the eye, schmooze with the parents of the kids that youre tutoring, bolster your income with a non-profit online business or two, get some fucking life experience, never pay rent, chip away at some shitty business degree online, get into the shape of your life because of your spartan lifestyle, allow things to coalesce and look back on the years after grad school when you were living in your van, finding yourself, and were truly free, die.
ey?

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:29:48 2015 No.7081868

>>7081864
Accept your observation is bullshit and you can just ask any recent Physics graduate to enlighten you.

>here are development roles in industry which physicists are more suited.
And engineers are even better suited to, the only reason to ever hire a physicist is if you need a cheap lab monkey, and those jobs usually go to lab techs who are even cheaper.

You would know this if you ever got an internship at a private R&D lab, but you aren't even considered for those.

The best jobs for Physicists are at national labs and in academia.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:32:08 2015 No.7081869 >>7081863 Then you have no right to speak, your generation had it way easier cunt, you basically had to be bottom tier dogshit to not get a job, today you could graduate with a 4.0 and still not get through a screening for a tech job.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:33:10 2015 No.7081871

>>7081865
>or maybe use any qualifications we have to move out of our shitty countries into actually functioning social democracies?
Europe has even less jobs and believe me when I say it's not fun to be paid the same as a pre-school teacher while working 10x harder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:34:07 2015 No.7081872 So that's why some people say that there are some smart people in the trades because it's a place with more opportunity/money then others right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:34:15 2015 No.7081873 >>7081871 Nice right-wing thinking, broseph.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:35:47 2015 No.7081876

For the longest time I've regretted not getting a science undergrad. I got a double major in finance and information systems, and I've regretted not getting a better degree for the longest time.

Night time I'm teaching myself calculus and refreshing my programming skills so I could maybe go for a CS degree at a local school which is in the top 10.

Then I read that >>7081537

I have a job paying 60k with benefits and all that, and I thought I cheated myself out of a good life by taking the biz route. What do you think?

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:37:17 2015 No.7081878

>>7081873
It's not right wing thinking, it's centrist thinking, I think people should be equally rewarded for their efforts no? Working half days with large holidays and earning the same money as an engineer working 3 times as hard is not fair play. People should be compensated for their sacrifice, especially in careers as important for society as engineering and medicine. Not to mention professionals tend to invest their money more wisely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:39:16 2015 No.7081880 >>7081872 Only retards look down on the trades, I'd say most people in trades are smarter on average than most people at universities (especially if we're including lib arts, feminism etc.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:43:26 2015 No.7081887 >>7081832 Let off steam? Feel better?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:45:04 2015 No.7081890 >>7081876 >Night time I'm teaching myself calculus kek. You're dumb as fuck, son.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:45:41 2015 No.7081891 >>7081868 >you can just ask any recent Physics graduate to enlighten you I graduated last year, I stayed in academia but I know many who didn't and ended up in industry or finance. Most of the industry people were on graduate schemes, not lab monkeys.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:48:37 2015 No.7081897 >>7081558 >faggot that doesn't know anything >autist faggot that doesn't know anything pick 1

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:50:00 2015 No.7081898 File: 1.60 MB, 474x230, 1417302900735.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081887 I'm quite cool. It just staggers me to see that the next generation of scientists is so hard bent on their "apparent misfortune".

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:50:50 2015 No.7081899 Typical /sci/tard >Muh pure math >Gets into Grad school >Not any good at pure math >Struggles to get a PhD >Shitty Post-doc >Only job ops are liberal arts colleges >But muh homology >No one gives a shit >No practical skills >Dies a virgin with no job

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:50:58 2015 No.7081900

>>7081869
Lol, seriously, I hate it when people 10 or 20 years older say stuff like "Oh, when I graduated, we didn't have the internet/computers, you have it so much easier", like it's actually making things easier. It's getting fucking harder and harder because you have less and less excuses to fail, the competition is growing, it's getting more intense every day. Everybody is flooding the universities, less material for more people. Kids nowadays have it harder than ever before. Studying in 2015 is a fucking nightmare compared to 20 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:51:47 2015 No.7081901 >>7081890 because hes teaching himself calculus? the insular elitism really fucking reeks on /manchild/

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:52:35 2015 No.7081903 >>7081900 Only for the privileged. Kid in Kentucky that lives on a farm with no internet connection and only a library membership will have a tough time getting into any remotely good college despite his intellect and high potential.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:52:56 2015 No.7081905 >>7081508 My body is ready for optical computing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:53:04 2015 No.7081906 >>7081899 Also >Fucking cs majors and engineers. They're so stupid because they're slightly less competent at mathematics than I am.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:53:38 2015 No.7081907 >>7081901 The guy that made fun of him doesn't even know real analysis or any pure math. He is the dumbfuck with an inferiority complex. He'd fail any real analysis exam I'd concoct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:54:19 2015 No.7081908 >>7081853 Again, I don't even care. I have heard a lot of ignorant bullshit like this.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:55:07 2015 No.7081910

>>7081906
Yeah, esp. CS majors from theory heavy schools like Princeton and Waterloo amirite? They probably know more math than over half the /sci/-autist that hold on to >muh pure math. Shit-head a lot of those CS-majors (that attend more elite schools than you) not only see more math than you, but are also math double majors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:55:57 2015 No.7081911 >>7081865 >life experience this when does pursuing ones passion not lead to struggle? its just like a repressed /sci/tard to think that they can somehow sidestep disillusionment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:56:04 2015 No.7081913 >>7081898 It's not fucking apparent, read the goddamn thread and the references fucktard.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:58:09 2015 No.7081916
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>>7081913
>10 years old copypasta spammed to fucking death by failed /sci/tards to substantiate their transition to engineering or failure at science in general.

Nice credentials you've got there.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 08:58:14 2015 No.7081917

This board is like /r/atheism on reddit. It is an outlet for suppressed autist that either 1) aren't any good in their field of study and need to insult others to feel better or 2) those with a passing interest in science that locked into the first online community they found with similar taste (read: shit)

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:02:36 2015 No.7081921

>>7081913
We have more people than ever going into math and physics. IMO, those fields should be left to the cream of the crop. If you can't hack it, do what all the other failed mathematicians and physicists do and go into computer science or engineering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:03:36 2015 No.7081922 >>7081917 I'm very successful at my field of study, but I still like to come here to insult others. Not everyone at the top is as grown up as you imagine them to be.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:04:58 2015 No.7081926

>>7081921
that makes CS sound like a failure option. If anything working at google with a PhD in CS and making 175k-200k/yr sounds better than working as a mathematician at a university making 125k/yr and never moving up cause you already have tenure kind of thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:05:06 2015 No.7081927 >>7081921 The cream of the crop goes into engineering and the dropouts go into science dumbass, this has always been the case, the high quality HS students don't waste their time on background shit with no prospects beyond teaching.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:06:41 2015 No.7081929

>>7081922
yeah and you're delusional. you aren't good like you think.

>>7081927
>high quality HS students don't waste their time on background shit with no prospects beyond teaching.

This. All learning topology does is gives you a straight ticket to teaching retarded freshman learning cal for the first time.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:08:27 2015 No.7081932

>>7081926
>>7081921
>>7081927
>>7081929

It's easy to prove this:

Look at the amount of transfer applications and rejections from science to engineering departments country wide, it's MORE than the annual applications of HS students.

Now look at the amount of transfer application rejections from engineering to science: Oh wow it's fucking nothing!

And no it's not just because the engineering schools are more full or anything like that, if you're a quality candidate you would be accepted.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:12:01 2015 No.7081934

>>7081932
Exactly. My school's engineering department is notorious about rejecting incoming freshmen/transfer students for not meeting requirements. It's more difficult to get into the engineering department as a freshman than it is any other department on campus. This is why most people at my university (that intend to study engineering) apply for first year college and then apply once they proven themselves. Applying straight to engineering here is like a fast line to rejection. It's much easier to get into the math department and the like.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:12:54 2015 No.7081935 File: 89 KB, 600x462, staycucked.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] looks like philosophy wins as the best "useless" undergrad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:13:11 2015 No.7081937 >phd in physics >30k starting

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:15:58 2015 No.7081940 >>7081935 BBC lovers (read engineers) once again BTFO

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:16:42 2015 No.7081942

>>7081934
Yes that is common at all universities with the exception of top schools like MIT, oxbridge etc.

Some /sci/ posters are extremely delusional if they think the public views pure science degrees as anything more than a sort per-engineering degree.

Ironically engineering students are the only that's actually have any sort of respect for math and physics students at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:18:55 2015 No.7081943 >>7081935 >>7081940 >GREs Because most of the quality engineering graduates go directly into industry, going to grad-school is a common move for students who couldn't find a job.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:21:44 2015 No.7081947

Hey /sci/, 50 year old high school grad here.
On a popular TV show (you know which one), a character says "nothing new has happened in physics for the last half century".
If that's true, why would anybody get a PhD in physics?
Unless you're working at the LHC, isn't your highest hope to be teaching other people on the same path as you?
Also, what are the odds on the next big advance in physics happening soon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:23:33 2015 No.7081950 >>7081943 SAT scores show the same hierarchy.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:24:15 2015 No.7081952

Enjoy yer capidalizm bitches.

Here, in Germany they even have a special psychiatric syndrome called "Helper syndrome". A friend of mine is a psychiatrist, he told me that. It means you're ill if you are not egoist enough and like to help people. No joke.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:25:06 2015 No.7081954 >>7081950 >I'm just not going to post those tee hee

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:25:49 2015 No.7081956 >>7081954 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:26:16 2015 No.7081958 >>7081956 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:27:32 2015 No.7081961 >>7081947 > "nothing new has happened in physics for the last half century" Metamaterials. Quantum computing. Modern optics. Gravitational waves. Precision cosmology... You'd have to know absolutely nothing about physics is happening in the LHC.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:28:09 2015 No.7081962 >>7081958 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:28:44 2015 No.7081963 >>7081962 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:29:08 2015 No.7081964 >>7081927 Except if they think it's the most fun thing in life, in which case they'd be doing it in their spare time anyway if they held an engineering job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:29:13 2015 No.7081965 >>7081963 Just stop now

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:29:22 2015 No.7081966 >>7081961 >bazooka So Sheldor lied to us?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:30:22 2015 No.7081968 >>7081965 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:32:11 2015 No.7081970 >>7081954 https://www.collegeboard.org/program-results/2014/sat

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:33:30 2015 No.7081972 >>7081968 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:38:45 2015 No.7081978 >>7081972 Okay, seriously. Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:38:53 2015 No.7081980 >>7081947 Loads of stuff have happened, we just don't see it yet for various reasons

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:39:53 2015 No.7081981 >>7081952 But helping people is egoist if it makes you feel good ;)

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 09:44:58 2015 No.7081993
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>>7081970
Didn't find anything linking acceptance rates on vs SATs.

I can't find anything on google either it's mostly a bunch of women and black people suck graphs.

I did find this though, which is not really interesting, but I want to post images every now and then.

>>7081978
There's been like 5 different people in that comment chain by now, just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:01:33 2015 No.7082025 >>7081978 yeah seriously. I have ultimatums that can be phrased. Just stop now.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:03:42 2015 No.7082029

>>7081557
>Needless to say, he ended up as a highschool teacher.

What country? Being a high school teacher is actually pretty good in countries like Canada. A teacher moving from the US to Canada will probably end up having double their salary, and you get tenured pretty quickly.

This is of course assuming you're fit for babysitting, i.e. being that awesome, chill teacher instead of that pitiful one that's treated like a supply teacher all year long.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:11:37 2015 No.7082044 >>7082025 Just stop now.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:25:32 2015 No.7082062

>>7081494
Wow, he must've sucked pretty hard to only land that job.

Consider the student getting a graduate degree in (insert random country here) folklore. Or photography. Or such and such paleontology. Youre worried about your job outlook compared to those people?

Stop worrying, or change your major. Just be happy, whatever you do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:31:13 2015 No.7082067 >>7081947 Trll hardr fggt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:34:32 2015 No.7082074 File: 238 KB, 764x1023, rigid750luggage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082044 Just stop now. >>7082062 This. This right here. Live your fucking life. /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:34:38 2015 No.7082075 >>7081903 Intellect is gained through study and experience. It's not just something that you either have or not. I'm excluding the autist prodigies here, though they too have to study a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:52:02 2015 No.7082089 What about chemistry?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:54:57 2015 No.7082092 >>7082075 >Intellect is gained through study and experience. It's not just something that you either have or not. So if my dog just worked harder he could be a famous scientist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:56:35 2015 No.7082094 >>7082089 Just stop now. Pure math is the only field worthy of pursuit. >>7082092 No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 10:57:43 2015 No.7082096 >>7082094 >No. Why not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 11:15:57 2015 No.7082121 >>7082092 >>7082094 >>7082096 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 11:26:16 2015 No.7082136 >>7082089 Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 11:38:35 2015 No.7082157 >>7082075 Intelligence is overrated. You have books written one hundred years ago by and for academics now translated for 9th graders while conveying the same message. I'm only smarter than most people because I took the knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 11:44:25 2015 No.7082162 >>7082062 this is a cruel comment. People in STEM often have to deal with lean times. When you're specialized it can be hard to find your niche. I hope you don't end up in the same position as the OP guy who an heroed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 11:55:17 2015 No.7082170 >>7082162 troll harder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 12:16:12 2015 No.7082190 >>7081804 no Water has latent heat of vaporization and needs energy to heat up E=mc^2 so some mass is consumed when the water heats up. That's why hot things float and cool things sink, hotter things are lighter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 12:17:24 2015 No.7082192 >>7082170 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 13:42:25 2015 No.7082349 >>7081546 >cs >enjoy being outsourced Only if you're a code monkey

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 13:55:03 2015 No.7082377 If you're not going to a top 5-10 institution and you're doing a PhD in math or physics you should just not bother, it's a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:07:24 2015 No.7082404 >>7082377 Dubs of truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:10:05 2015 No.7082411 >>7082404 No, expand that to a top 20 and include CS since CS PhDs at top 20s have a higher ROI than math PhDs at top 20s. Also, he doesn't even study math/let alone math in a PhD at a top 5-10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:13:05 2015 No.7082416 >>7082411 Dubs of truth 2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:16:42 2015 No.7082420 >>7082377 I disagree, if you want to do it, do it. You can be successful either way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:20:14 2015 No.7082427 >>7082420 >>7082411 I forgot to add >If you want to go into academia

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:21:40 2015 No.7082430 >>7081759 >tfw switched physics to engineering

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:24:26 2015 No.7082438

>>7081761
>It's not a massive unemployment rate, but it's not that much lower than most other bachelor degree holders.

the unemployment rate for any degree holder is like 3% right now. so less than 3% of engineers are unemployed.

wow, such a shitty job market.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 14:25:19 2015 No.7082439 >>7082427 Nah. It's mostly brand - fancy illusions of greatness. Which can be great because that seems to motivate some people to do their best. We are all motivated by different things though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 15:01:25 2015 No.7082490 >>7082190 I'm a physics major so I can say shit like this and have people believe me.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 16:12:07 2015 No.7082686 >>7081943 >going to grad-school is a common move for students who couldn't find a job Or those who want to get a PhD and go into R&D m8

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 16:58:55 2015 No.7082811 >>7081494 Well, the guy in your pic may not have gotten a job, but he did some valuable research in Impulse-Momentum theory and added a data point to the experimental stress-strain curve of the human body.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:26:02 2015 No.7082864

I don't get this whining of retards from industry and sales. If everything so fine in your field, why do you come here and insult people? I'll tell you. Industry and sales are fucked up as well.
Science at least gives you a chance to do what you want and like -- by grants. What do you do in sales? Exactly! You have anal sex with your boss in passive role. That's what you do and will do until you fucking retire or die. You will always only obey commands. One should really have a special mindset for it. Money is not everything. Freedom and creativity is not the last thing in life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:26:53 2015 No.7082868 >>7081761 Chem E currently studying a master in Physics. Yep, physics and math is harder bro. If they don´t get into is because they don´t care/give a fuck/find uninteresting the subject.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:27:09 2015 No.7082869 >community college to get CS associates, then transfer for bach >community college wants me to take up to calc III, but school I'm transferring to doesn't even need anything above calc I

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:30:06 2015 No.7082875
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all this pessimism makes me feel better for being a mediocre student who did not bother with grad studies
went into comp sci as a backup plan and got after degree
did a couple months in industry, thought it was shit and hated work, got fired
lived neet life for 4 months, got bored started to do independent development during the app craze
end up making more money in 3 years than any Physics PhD outside of Wall Street Quants will make in their lifetimes

Still miss physics and fellow students though, still thumb through texts every so often and think about what could of been

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Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:35:46 2015 No.7082889

>>7081935
there is one major bias with the GRE though. An open ended essay is a part of the verbal score, so score ceiling is better adjusted for Philosophy majors differentiate themselves. Acing the Quant section is far easier than getting a 5 on the essay. If the GRE had a far harder Quant section we could better assess the differences. Not to say I think Phil majors are not intelligent, by looking at incoming SAT scores Phil majors do have high INT.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:39:56 2015 No.7082898

This is making me consider just finishing the chemistry M.S. I'm in instead of dropping it and going into the PhD program I was accepted to.

Fuck, I hate real life. I just want to be able to go to the program I want to do without basing the decision on careers

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:44:59 2015 No.7082907 >>7081537 >http://physics.wustl.edu/katz/scientist.html Does this apply to math PhDs? All my professors are so encouraging. I'd rather not throw myself off a tall building.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:49:21 2015 No.7082914 >>7082907 >Does this apply to math PhDs? x10

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:51:48 2015 No.7082921

>>7082907
honestly you should always consider your personal situation first. If money is not super tight and you enjoy it why would you not do it. Job market is not going to get better anytime soon, if anything it is going to keep contracting with more automation and computation augmentation of cognitive tasks on the horizon. Just make sure you do it for the right reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:51:48 2015 No.7082922 File: 510 KB, 694x1175, death.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082914

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 17:58:20 2015 No.7082942
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>>7081759
did your school not have an Engineering Physics program? If I had the chance again I would done this instead of a Honours Physics degree. It is a harder program in terms of work load, but worth it because of the ring and professional cert. That professional cert is what gets you hired for a lot of jobs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 18:06:29 2015 No.7082950 >>7081537 >http://physics.wustl.edu/katz/scientist.html So this article was written over 15 years ago. What has changed since then? Are things better, worse, or about the same?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 18:13:01 2015 No.7082961 >>7082950 Worse. Funding cuts such funding cuts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 18:51:18 2015 No.7083038 >>7082950 Funding is even worse now, we have to spend money spying on people, overpaying for healthcare, and bombing muslims instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 18:52:53 2015 No.7083041 >>7082921 Are you kidding? All those post-war babies are dying right now

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 18:58:41 2015 No.7083054
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>>7083041
you do know that you are going to be competing with far more people than any of baby boomers ever did. There is a reason why salaries have been stagnant for long time, just wait to see what cognitive automation does. It has already destroyed the field of legal discovery, plenty more fields for it to kill

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 19:23:01 2015 No.7083112 File: 62 KB, 1280x720, 1344025989419.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081627 >tfw being recruited by ASML

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 19:36:05 2015 No.7083137 >>7083112 >ASML EUV ready yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 19:42:17 2015 No.7083148 >>7081725 CS major is harder than Math major??

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 19:42:54 2015 No.7083149 >>7083148 don't worry, it was a troll

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 20:05:33 2015 No.7083182 >>7082349 Who doesnt get outsourced? Of CS majors, that is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 20:07:36 2015 No.7083184 >>7082869 Y not? Lern and lern hard friend

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 20:22:57 2015 No.7083216 >physics major >enjoy computational physics stuff the most >realize i probably should have done cs o well, its not hard to learn

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 20:47:47 2015 No.7083236 >>7081537 Wow. Does this apply to the UK too? If so, I should probably reevaluate my life choices...

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 20:52:33 2015 No.7083241 >>7083236 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 20:56:56 2015 No.7083250 >>7082907 >All my professors are so encouraging. Misery loves company. I've seen the way people get trapped in academia. Some fields are more succeptible to it than others.

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 21:55:03 2015 No.7083327

m8's

I'm a retard with a worthless degree. I have no skills and do not understand maths. I actually can't count over 89. I always forget that ninety comes next

I am a NEET virgin who is 32 and lives with his father

You all have more potential than me, don't watse it

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 22:07:20 2015 No.7083343 File: 21 KB, 300x224, feelsgoodman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw only have A.A.S. and found high paying job immediately >tfw ex-gf who said I'd never amount to nothing is a cashier at GoodWill with a B.S. in CompSci

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 22:09:40 2015 No.7083349 >>7083343 Is it a physics associates? And what's your job?

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 22:21:27 2015 No.7083373

>>7083349
>Is it a physics associates?
I'm afraid not. I was originally going to college for physics, and realized I didn't want to spend my life doing research, so I went to community college and did a 2 year degree in Heating, Ventilation, Air Conditioning, & Refrigeration Technology.

>And what's your job?
Refrigeration technician. With all the older guys retiring, we're hurting for people, which makes us few and far in between and our work expensive. Especially since we also have to be certified by the EPA to handle certain refrigerants such as difluoromethane and pentafluoroethane.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 22:25:06 2015 No.7083376 >>7083373 why even come here if you're not /sci/? >difluoromethane and pentafluoroethane wow guys so scientific XD seriously tho beefing up your resume to look more scientific to impress /sci/ is pathetic go back to /diy/ laborer

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 22:31:40 2015 No.7083386

>>7083373
got a degree in Physics, I did HVAC work with my dad during the summers and after I graduated for a while, then moved on to software. Would install AC on the weekends with my brother for cash. Second best trade to be in after elevator mechanic for pay, even more so if you are self employed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:02:36 2015 No.7083444 >>7081537 Is Phd a doctorate or post doctorate?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:06:23 2015 No.7083453 >>7083376 Well meme'd, my friend. >>7083386 Not bad, not bad. I've never done residential work but I imagine being self-employed in a heavily populated area = unlimited monies. I'm happy with $28/hr.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:06:42 2015 No.7083455 File: 28 KB, 561x519, 1351391978179.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081546 I'm in grad school and realized I should have went to culinary school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:13:42 2015 No.7083478 >>7083444 Doctorate. Post-doc is what you do after you've gotten your Ph.D and before you get a real position (i.e. professor).

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:15:57 2015 No.7083481 >>7083376 Here we see the reason the intelligentsia went up against the wall when the proletarian October Revolution triumphed

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:18:19 2015 No.7083485 >>7083478 Ok thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:19:05 2015 No.7083486 File: 35 KB, 407x482, 1365275536416.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081935 >R^2=0 This means that this graph doesn't explain anything at all

Anonymous Sat Feb 21 23:20:18 2015 No.7083488

>>7083453
Hm, pay in states quite a bit lower than in Canada. In Canada it is a trade so it requires 2 years of polytech + 2 years of apprenticeship to become a journeyman. In my province one should expect $40+/hr as a journeyman. My dad's rate was $110/hr back in 2008 plus mark up on parts. Cash AC jobs me and my brother did would net us $1500-$2500 for 5-10 hours of work, though that was once we get system down for installs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:03:01 2015 No.7083556 File: 1.83 MB, 375x283, soz.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why isnt popsci illegal yet

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:12:51 2015 No.7083575 >>7083556 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:35:47 2015 No.7083638 So where do people who enjoy science and learning have a chance at having a decent career without giving in to "call centers" and the like?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:38:28 2015 No.7083646 File: 133 KB, 700x400, RSA_Clinical_Research_Photo_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7083638 pharmaceutical or energy corporations

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 00:57:46 2015 No.7083676 >>7082192 >>7083241 >>7083575 Just stop now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 01:02:23 2015 No.7083682 >>7083676 Just u s t stop t o p now o w

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 01:39:06 2015 No.7083744 s

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 02:14:52 2015 No.7083808 >>7083682 Just stop now plz

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 02:32:44 2015 No.7083837 File: 80 KB, 720x960, STEM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So basically, Good Will Hunting will be an unremarkable tale in the coming decade.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 03:00:09 2015 No.7083868 >>7081910 Shot in the dark: 99% of CS majors 1) don't attend Princeton and 2) suck dick at math

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 03:11:18 2015 No.7083878 >>7083646 >tfw chemistry major >not interested in biochem >know deep down I'll end up taking 2 semesters of it for a minor so I can at least get my foot in the door for interviews fuck this earth

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 03:41:07 2015 No.7083903 >>7082438 You can be employed at starbucks you know...we are obviously talking about employment in the tech industry.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 03:47:13 2015 No.7083907

>>7082686
>Or those who want to get a PhD and go into R&D m8
Engineers don't need a PhD to work R&D, I was leading a 5 man research team at a major R&D lab before I even finished my undergrad (mostly because the lead scientists was a chemist PhD who was terrible at modelling so he gave me the project lead and I designed the experiments and directed to junior chemists and other interns to get the data we needed and wrote the paper that was eventually published). I would still rather have had a process engineering internship on my CV than any of that.

R&D pays far less than engineering which is why you are considered a failure as an engineer if you have to go into research, it's also boring as fuck compared to real engineering.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 03:57:36 2015 No.7083916

>>7083149
>>7083148
It's not a troll, how else do you think math manages to be over 50% women? Because there's no fucking standards in math and physics degrees. It's some of the easiest majors at university, only math and physics retards who listen to their idiot profs thinks it's in any way difficult.

If you ask anyone else on campus what they think the most difficult programmes are they always say medicine, law and engineering. Everything else is an uncompetitive joke.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 03:59:36 2015 No.7083918 >>7083236 It applies to all Western countries, there's simply not enough grant moneys and tenure spots to go around for the hordes of PhDs trained every year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:02:28 2015 No.7083923 >>7083376 >Insulting him in this thread of all threads Are you enjoying your cashier job at GoodWill my "physicist" friend?

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:07:45 2015 No.7083927

>>7083638
>So where do people who enjoy science and learning have a chance at having a decent career without giving in to "call centers" and the like?
It's called engineering dumbass. Engineering is the professional science degree, science is a background degree for engineering.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:15:03 2015 No.7083930 File: 30 KB, 563x364, 2887940827352.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I-If I switched to an applied maths major I'd be fine r-right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:21:20 2015 No.7083934 >>7083930 Depends, if you have good grades and you're not autistic you'll be fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:28:40 2015 No.7083945 >>7082942 My uni have technical physics program, it's mainly electronics. But there are more intresting fields like math physics, which don't have engineering at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:35:30 2015 No.7083952 >>7082942 My uni have technical physics program. But there are more intresting fields like math physics, which don't have applied things at all, and engineering, which also gives you more opportunities.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:42:07 2015 No.7083965
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>mfw be 2nd year engineer at yale
>mfw all I ever wanted to do was knit and make clothes
>probably wouldve have had happier life and been more successful at it
>considering dropping out

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:47:05 2015 No.7083974 >>7083918 And academia is so much used to cheap PhD labor

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 04:48:19 2015 No.7083977 >>7083974 Yes, it's a long standing culture of manipulation and abuse to be honest. Never listen to your profs when they try to shill for graduate students.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 06:08:54 2015 No.7084070 >>7083965 femanon on /mensrights/?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 06:18:24 2015 No.7084082 You guys are talking about America, r-right?

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 06:33:57 2015 No.7084106
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>>7083907
>Engineers don't need a PhD to work R&D
Sure, if you enjoy doing work that somebody with a BS or MS would be given (not that there is anything wrong with that at all). The type of research work that is assigned to an engineer with a PhD is a completely different beast all together due to training in an advanced and specialized area. That's not to say that someone with a BS couldn't do a BS level non-research job better than someone with a PhD, however the former still holds true provided we're talking about competent people.

>I was leading a 5 man research team at a major R&D lab before I even finished my undergrad [...]
You were an engineering intern directing a group of chemistry lab monkey interns, please get over yourself. Like most of /sci/ who completely overblows their accomplishments to no end, I also bet this publication was likely a dogshit undergrad conference paper lol. I did the exact same thing that you described as an undergrad (except I'm in ME, worked in a materials lab with chemistry interns), however I'm not naive enough to believe that playing ring-leader on a crappy internship paints the picture of what the entire career is like.

>R&D pays far less than engineering which is why you are considered a failure as an engineer if you have to go into research
This is complete bollocks, how conducting research on new technology is considered a failure is beyond me. Also R&D engineers are not exactly poorfags, my own father made $130k+ working as an engineer in research and I grew up quite comfortably in my family.

>it's also boring as fuck compared to real engineering
You sound bitter as all hell and probably had a boring project to work on, that's too bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 06:42:52 2015 No.7084124 >>7084106 Been applying to r&d engineering positions for a while. Most of them will accept years in industry as equivalent to getting advanced degrees.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 06:52:13 2015 No.7084141

>>7084106
>The type of research work that is assigned to an engineer with a PhD is a completely different beast all together due to training in an advanced and specialized area.
No, it's really not, fringe research only happens in academia, industry research is not "advanced and specialized", any undergrad can do it by reading up on the subject matter just like they need to do in any other industrial job anyway. The reason scientists need to be trained as PhDs first is because their undergrads are completely and utterly inept.

Source: PhD candidate (I stayed in academia because I could get a job in the process industry and I sure as hell wasn't going to stay in that shitty R&D lab).

>I also bet this publication was likely a dogshit undergrad conference paper lol.
And industrial chemistry journal, the model I developed is the most advanced in the field and I already have 2 references on my publication.

>however I'm not naive enough to believe that playing ring-leader on a crappy internship paints the picture of what the entire career is like.
It's not, but you can work at virtually any lab with a chemE bachelors, barring things with cyclotrons etc.

>except I'm in ME
No wonder you were thinking like that, ME bachelors are fucking useless (and I mean that as offensively as possible, their undergrad is a joke and their grad- students always have to catch up with things like heat transfer, thermodynamics and mass transfer because of how superficially it was treated in their undergrad), they don't even need to do publishable research to graduate, in general MEs are dumb as fuck.

>You sound bitter as all hell and probably had a boring project to work on, that's too bad.
My PhD project is great, because I got funding for doing something I wanted, but guess what? In private labs you obviously don't get to do what you want and the work will always be boring as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 06:53:45 2015 No.7084144 >>7084124 >Most of them will accept years in industry as equivalent to getting advanced degrees. This, the job postings always "PhD or bachelors with n years in y industry". In engineering terms a PhD is just another (low paying) job.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 07:05:42 2015 No.7084163 >>7083916 Memorizing stuff is competitive now? Fuck, I should have done that.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 07:08:12 2015 No.7084167

>>7084163
>Fuck, I should have done that.
You should've, but you probably didn't even get admitted. Sucks to be a retard, doesn't it?

>inb4 denying it

Show me your admission letter and I'll show the countless letters I received from Physics profs begging me to join their crappy department.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 07:17:36 2015 No.7084177 >>7084167 Oh no, I'm so retarded. I'm so dumb. You're right. How couldn't I see. All these years where all people told me. But you finally convinced me. So, which part of physics and which department you denied? MIT or Havard?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 07:20:35 2015 No.7084180 >>7084177 >But you finally convinced me. Sucks when the real world strikes doesn't it? Don't worry you weren't alone in falling for the modern "everyone is special and equal" bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 09:51:55 2015 No.7084313 >>7081741 >tfw studying physics >reading thread and realizing this: >>7081727

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 10:50:00 2015 No.7084402 >>7083916 >math manages to be over 50% women? your talking about school teachers right? Never seen a school teacher past a 300 level course.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:03:14 2015 No.7084421 >>7083488 >Hm, pay in states quite a bit lower than in Canada He still ends up with more after taxes than the Canadian making $40/hr.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:06:29 2015 No.7084423

>>7082950
Much worse. He said that less than half of PhD grads end up in tenure track positions. Now it's less than 5%. A career in science is only worth it if (1) you're very passionate, (2) you know yourself to be among the very best, (3) you can get admitted to a top 10 school for your PhD.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:07:12 2015 No.7084424 File: 186 KB, 873x907, percent-bachelors-degrees-women-usa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7084402 PFFT.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:11:26 2015 No.7084427 >>7084424 What's with the bump in Computer Science in the 80s?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:13:30 2015 No.7084430 >>7084427 it was when nerds were sexy

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:14:53 2015 No.7084432

Does university prestige really matter that much in physical sciences (chem in particular) or is just /sci/ being in a dick waving contest with itself as usual?

If you get a PhD from just regular public school and you don't think you want to be a professor, does it really matter?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:16:10 2015 No.7084435 >>7084427 Basically it's because when computers where young IT degrees were called CS before the field split in the theoretical and technician like fields of today.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:17:44 2015 No.7084438 File: 148 KB, 540x544, laughing_pirhana_plants.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >be horticulture major >endless job opportunities in my field It's worth being made fun of by math and physics guys on /sci/

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:18:27 2015 No.7084441

>>7082942
Engineering physics is just taking the boring intro classes from other branches of engineering. You don't even get to go deep into theoretical physics like physics majors do. You end up with very shallow education. Still, most people that get into it are overachievers so they end up doing fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:23:01 2015 No.7084447 >>7084438 mathfag here, why would we make fun of you? if you wanna be a farmer go right ahead, i'll be over here making six figures

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:24:25 2015 No.7084449

>>7084432
/sci/ IS in a dick waving contest with itself as usual, but to be honest it really does matter that much, the problem is that Physics degrees and even more so the standards for PhD are not regulated so there are many thousands of sub-par students being awarded Physics degrees every year. This has caused the industry to lose trust in institutions awarding those degrees from all but the most prestigious schools; no one trusts a physics degree holder to be competent.

The usual route for you to get a job with a physics PhD is in labs/companies that work directly with your university in which case your PhD research will have direct applications for the company and they would hire you if you do a good job.

If your department faculty doesn't have strong industrial ties you're basically fucked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:26:03 2015 No.7084452 File: 21 KB, 320x240, tissue_culture2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7084447 >implying horticulturists are farmers >implying horticulturists can't easily clear six figures

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:26:34 2015 No.7084453 >>7084432 There is no reason to get a PhD from a lower ranked places. If you don't want to continue in academia, there is also no reason to get a PhD. Just do a masters and move on. A PhD is actually harmful for real world career prospects.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:27:59 2015 No.7084455 >>7084453 I can tell you're not a scientist, nor do you work in academia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:28:18 2015 No.7084456 >>7081846 Lold

>>	Newanon !kJC9p8p8Bw Sun Feb 22 11:30:21 2015 No.7084457 >>7081598 Look we didn't get where we are by just wasting energy running around to lose weight. Actually pretty sure that until the last century such a habit would have spelled certain death.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:30:57 2015 No.7084460 >>7084455 Nice arguments. I'm a grad student. What do you disagree with?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:33:41 2015 No.7084469 >>7084460 You seem to think the institution matters for a PhD, when in reality if it's a field of science, what they look at is your research, not your institution, unless it's Ivy League tier, CalTech, or MIT.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:34:41 2015 No.7084471

>>7084449

Well, I was thinking of going to the CUNY graduate center (I applied and was accepted) mostly because I live here already and I can't really move which is ranked 96 for chemistry, but it's such a big system that I'm sure somebody has some connections. But that 96... I don't know how much that will hold me back.

Come to think of it, whose ratings should I be looking at, anyway?

Although I do hear that getting a PhD closes some doors in industry/other places since they may consider you overqualified (I am not sure if this is true, though) and I probably don't want to be a professor... I don't know what I want to do, really... I might just stick in the M.S. program I'm in now and then get a "real job".

Well, you get an M. Phil from doing a PhD anyway. Is an M. Phil worse than an M.S.? Should I do in the PhD program and get the M. Phil while getting a stipend and then just leave? Or does that make me look like a dropout?

I really hate careers.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:35:33 2015 No.7084473

>>7084457
But we did run around constantly and healthy physiology relies on us continue to do that. We also didn't get here by an over consumption of simple carbs, is it really any wonder that we need to expend more energy to keep ourselves from dying?

I can't believe how retarded the arguments against exercise are, this is why the obesity epidemic is so out of control, stupid fat people become science denialists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:36:34 2015 No.7084474 >>7084469 >they Who's they? You really think HR knows the difference? They look at your institution and your undergrad GPA son.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:36:59 2015 No.7084477 >>7084106 I upvote this post

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:37:17 2015 No.7084478

>>7084469
And you think you can do the same quality of science at a lower ranked school that you can at MIT? Sure, it's theoretically possible, and I've known at least one case at my shitty undergrad university, but you're really stacking the odds against you. You'd probably need a fair bit of luck also.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:38:11 2015 No.7084479 >>7084474 >thinking HR are the ones who hire researchers Oh god you're so ignorant it's adorable

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:39:12 2015 No.7084481 >>7084478 If you think that you shouldn't get a PhD unless it's from Caltech or MIT, you really have no idea how the worlds of research and academia work.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:40:49 2015 No.7084485

>>7084471
>Although I do hear that getting a PhD closes some doors in industry/other places since they may consider you overqualified (I am not sure if this is true, though)
That doesn't really apply to chemists...just do the PhD.

>>7084479
At major companies they do yes, those receive thousands of applicants for every R&D position, just because your loser company allowed the lab to hire directly doesn't mean that's common practice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:42:42 2015 No.7084488 >>7084481 If you think a PhD from the university of Kentucky has a good chance of setting you up for a prosperous career in academia in this day and age, you are seriously deluded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:44:21 2015 No.7084491 >>7083837 good will hunting is an unremarkable tale right now

Newanon !kJC9p8p8Bw Sun Feb 22 11:44:48 2015 No.7084492

>>7084473
Yeah look I ain't saying exercise is bad but we didn't run around to lose weight. We ran because we needed to catch food, get around and shit.

Yes, obviously we didn't get here by overconsumption. But we did get here by eating more or less whatever food was available. This naturally leads to problems when there is just truckloads of food within reach at all times.

Do you catch my drift?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:46:11 2015 No.7084494 >>7084492 >we didn't run around to lose weight. Because we never gained weight to begin with, we aren't meant to function with clogged arteries.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 11:58:03 2015 No.7084517

>>7084492
>Do you catch my drift?
No, what's your point? Humans in wealthy countries are facing a relatively new problem that can only be solved by counterintuitive measures, exercise and diet. Those account for the two missing moderating factors we had before in our lives: The struggle to survive and the limited offer.

Some adapt, some don't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:02:47 2015 No.7084526 >>7084517 >>7084494 Sorry my fault for posting with a trip I'll let you get back to whatever important tasks you were doing before.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:04:45 2015 No.7084529 >>7084517 >counterintuitive Why is it even considered counter intuitive? Our physiology is used to regular exercise, just because it isn't required for immediate survival anymore doesn't mean it isn't required for survival period.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:09:15 2015 No.7084536

>>7084529
To some prehistoric human it is pretty counterintuitive to go out to run in a circle for an hour and need as much as you can. That's all I'm saying. To a modern, educated human it shouldn't be too counterintuitive of course. It still seems to be though, that's why obesity is a problem at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:13:42 2015 No.7084537 >>7084536 Willingly foregoing food when it's aplenty and wasting energy running in a circle seem like they could have been selected against sometime. Not really surprised that with our pitifully unstimulating environment so many people are obese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:23:07 2015 No.7084559 >>7081935 >R^2 = 0 Thanks for the chuckle mate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:23:35 2015 No.7084560 >>7082092 Idk about the dog but if you deprive a person of enough stimulation in childhood their development is capped at about the level of one [a dog I mean].

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:27:47 2015 No.7084568 I realize this is about PhDs in physics but what's the point of a masters? I'm in biology and thinking of doing grad school. Is getting a masters just kind of a dick waving thing or does actually serve a purpose?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:30:56 2015 No.7084575 >>7084568 A signal on the job market that you're probably better than most people with only a bachelor degree. Gives you a chance to study at a better university too so it's better on your resume.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:34:30 2015 No.7084579 >>7084568 There are many degrees that are basically worthless without a MSc, i.e. physics.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:40:36 2015 No.7084593
File: 416 KB, 639x1132, Untitled2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

inb4
>muh vagina
>non STEM
Still paints a dismal picture of the future.

I like to post in these threads
>two BS mathematicians I know
>one was fired from a car wash for being a woman (literally), going back for a 2-year in C&C because her brother (20) is making more than her father (15 years at a company with AS or BS)
>the other is a single father normalfag who repeatedly failed to get the accounting certification thing

>physics Master's musician
>tutors at a CC, does DJing on the weekends, no real job

I'm going for an EE BS, but I'll probably have like 6 years of tutoring on my resume, that shows I'm not a sperglord right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:46:35 2015 No.7084605 >>7084593 She applied for job she's not qualified for and then got depressed for being rejected? That one was never going to make it through life. Also goddamn she's a Britbong it's not like NEETs have the worst life ever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 12:57:45 2015 No.7084636 >>7081838 Zuckerburger just wants a larger and cheaper pool of employees so acting all noble about the need for programmers and engineers is the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 13:02:38 2015 No.7084653 >>7084593 You'll be good with the EE BS, I'm doing the same and just got hired to an internship for the summer. As long as you don't flail spaghetti during the interview you'll get a job. Since a lot of EEs can be a little reserved.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 13:29:38 2015 No.7084716 File: 144 KB, 1024x711, 1418165779226.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Welp might as well drop out and go to a trade school and become a carpenter or a cook.

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 13:42:28 2015 No.7084736

Mm this is all rather depressing.

With about a third of people attending university it's basically the new highschool.

Starting BSci this year majoring in physics, hope to be eventually working on some nuenergy like solar fusion or antimatter but that'll probably never happen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 13:45:43 2015 No.7084742 >>7081583 Imagining running isn't really beneficial to your health, you gotta actually get out there and run

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 13:48:50 2015 No.7084746 >>7081897 Being this butthurt, all my keks

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 13:50:18 2015 No.7084751 File: 13 KB, 255x216, 1366772910955.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 13:58:46 2015 No.7084759 >>7083837 I like that pic, did not realize it was a little kid for a while lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 14:02:09 2015 No.7084765 >>7084742 Well no shit smart ass

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 14:05:34 2015 No.7084770 >undergrad in physics (senior) >seriously considering on doing a trade instead I never really intended on landing a job in physics or engineering, I went to school because I thought the subject was interesting enough to pursue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 14:53:44 2015 No.7084847 Y-you know, maybe I should get my major changed to mechanical engineering or something

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 14:57:15 2015 No.7084853 >>7084847 Why the hell would you do that? It's almost as if you WANT to get insulted by anonymous physics students on /sci/ something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 21:00:27 2015 No.7085615 >>7081539 http://catalog.ucf.edu/content/documents/programs/Photonic_Science_and_Engineering_BSPSE.pdf

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 21:15:26 2015 No.7085660

>>7084421
a lot people think that, but in reality tax rate in my province is flat at 10% and top federal tax rate is 29% (over 130k). Even at 200k, you are still only looking at a 32% average tax rate. You do get some extra mileage out of your money in the states because consumer goods and utilities are usually cheaper and you have more options in the housing market.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 22 21:19:07 2015 No.7085665 >>7081537 Google around a little bit and you'll see that Katz has a reputation as being a bit of a nut case -- like here. http://www.onlineuniversities.com/blog/2011/02/10-most-controversial-college-professors/

Anonymous Sun Feb 22 21:31:29 2015 No.7085689

>>7084441
that is not the case at my school, Eng Phys is shared between the EE department and Physics department. They take 2 extra courses per semester (granted one of those extra courses is a pass/fail engineering course on how to write resume or engineering ethics or some other trite shit), they took most of same courses that I took as a honours Physics major. They only required courses I did not see them in was Historical Experiments in Physics, Computation Physics, and Special Projects. They still had to take the hardest undergrad courses (minus GR): Quantum Mechanics 2, Electrodynamics 2, and Statistical Mechanics. I remember looking at their Engineering courses and it looked like they had all mainline required EE courses plus few extras on litho and nano eng. It is true that half of the people in it were overachievers, the other half seemed like bright but not overachieving students. To say it is a shallow educational experience is complete bullshit, it is one of the hardest programs to graduate from and given the students in it one of the most competitive for marks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 00:26:24 2015 No.7086085 >>7085665 Like... This guy? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11261872/James-Watson-selling-Nobel-prize-because-no-one-wants-to-admit-I-exist.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 10:28:18 2015 No.7086544 >>7084477 +2

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 23 15:41:34 2015 No.7087039 I need to бump this

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