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>Overhear two girls studying together
>They're telling eachother tricks to memorize things

>> No.6808735

>>6808713
They're probably taking some form of liberal arts credit.

>> No.6808737

lol this is why I will never date a stem major


leave us the fuck alone creep.

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>>6808735

>> No.6808741

>>6808737
>goes to public place
>is offended because she isn't alone
topkek

>> No.6808742

>>6808735
No, it was medical in nature.

It scares me that these whores will be the ones treating me when I'm sick.

>> No.6808744

>>6808737
>have fun with that 0k/year husband

>> No.6808746

>>6808742
well nurses are only responsible for bandaids and shit

>> No.6808766

>>6808713
What degree do I have to sign up for to not have to remember things?

>> No.6808769

>>6808744
I only date upper class guys, not memespewing spergy engineers like you

>> No.6808773

>>6808766
In math you have to remember a few ten axioms and then you can deduce the rest.

>> No.6808777

>>6808769
>mooching off parents is now something to be proud of
>k lol

>> No.6808780

>>6808769
Women can hardly read and write much less get to 4chan. I see you, neckbeard.

>> No.6808783

>>6808777
lmaooo your so fucking jealous of me.

i'm hot
i have a future
and my boyfriend is taller, more attractive, alpha, and richer than you

you're probably going to end up in middle management with my boyfriend breaking your balls and humiliating you everyday and you go home to your ugly 3/10 wife that you met in your physics class

HA HA HA

Enjoy your shitty life

>> No.6808785

>>6808783
Such a euphoric post.

>> No.6808787

>>6808783
>your so fucking jealous
>your
plz die

>> No.6808789

>being offended at people memorizing things
Off the charts autism

>> No.6808792

>>6808789
>Doesn't understand the difference between offended and mocking

>> No.6808797

>>6808787
>>6808785
Got nothing to say lol.

>> No.6808799

>>6808792
>doesnt comprehend a method of learning that is near indistinguishable from true comprehension when performed right

>> No.6808802

>>6808742

I think you may not have a very accurate understanding of the unfathomable amount of information medical students have to remember.

>They shouldn't try to memorize it though, they should try to understand it.

They do understand it, or memorizing it would be meaningless. The point is that they have to understand a thousand thousand different things, and organizing it all in their brain requires systems for memory recall.

Here's a page from a clinical microbiology book. It's a graphic, which is generally easier to learn than text. You can study it for five minutes or so and understand it pretty well. But now imagine that you have to learn 100 times that information for each book you read, and you need to read 3-4 books per subject, and clinical microbiology is just one subject of many you have to take, each year, on your path to becoming a doctor. Memory tricks are a necessity!

Now it's true, that with enough study, a doctor comes to understand the underlying premises at work in a given subject, and can generally operate without stopping to recall every detail of a single graphic they memorized three years ago. The trouble is, they need to be *capable* of doing that, if the situation demands it. The situation won't usually demand it, but it *might,* and so they need to be able to recall almost all of it, from memory, at only a few moments' notice.

Your doctor isn't operating by memorization, but he or she *does* have a huge stack of medical books, all memorized and carried around in his or her head, ready to be called forth and reviewed as needed.

Yeah, doctors are badass.

>> No.6808805

>>6808783
>lmaooo your so fucking jealous of me.
These teenagers keep saying "lol ur r just jealous" when they feel offended. Do you not have a better comeback?

>and my boyfriend is taller, more attractive, alpha, and richer than you
k good luck with that

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>>6808802

Forgot to attach picture

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>>6808783
this post suddenly made me realize the scope of my existence and simply how terrible my living conditions are. As my eyes scanned the lines on my computer screen, a feeling of dread filled me as I reflected upon my future and imminent subjugation from the upper class. Right now, as I type this out, I am tying a knot to hang myself from my roof. Thanks for that post - it literally killed me.

>> No.6808815

>>6808799
>Once again failing to interpret a post.
I never said I thought any less of these people for using memorization. You're just a silly-willy is all.

>> No.6808819

>>6808811
oOOH look at you pretending to be above it all.
you dont belong here

go to /lit/ pretentious fat piece of shit

>> No.6808831

>>6808809
That isn't a lot of info. If you understand each of those steps and why they're there, then you won't have to memorize anything.

>> No.6808833

>>6808819
Nice dubs, dubs.

>> No.6808838

>>6808737
>I'm a hamburger btw

>> No.6808848

>>6808713
So? I'm terrible at remembering virtually everything. That's why I went into physics out of high school. I still needed mnemonic devices to remember things both in physics and in my math and gen ed courses.

We all should strive to learn but each of us have our own shortcomings to overcome. You focus on yours instead of judging others for not being you.

>> No.6808852

>>6808838
>Americans would rather date a hamburger than a girl

>> No.6808853

>>6808831

Did you read my post? It kind of says this, and then goes on to explain exactly why memorizarion is still required.

>> No.6808855

>>6808815
You never said it but it was definitely implied.

>> No.6808857

>>6808713
Holy crap I did not know people as retarded as you exist.

>> No.6808872

>>6808855
>definitely implied
That's also quite silly.

>> No.6808894

>>6808833
Nice dubs, dubs.

>> No.6808897

>>6808857
Now that you know, here's a trick to memorize it...

>> No.6808910

>>6808897
can dubs be memorized?

>> No.6808921

>>6808809
>Here's a page from a clinical microbiology book
>Doesn't post page
>Expecting us to listen to you talk about memory

This, plus our own experiences with pre-meds, is why we think doctors are stupid.

>> No.6808922

>>6808910
Only if you get them

>> No.6808924

>>6808922
no need to brag

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>>6808783
>i'm hot
>i have a future
>and my boyfriend is taller, more attractive, alpha, and richer than you
LOL

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>>6808922
>mfw I pulled this off

>> No.6808931

>>6808924
>Overhear two dubs bragging together.
>They're telling eachother how to be memorized.

>> No.6808934

>>6808713
whats wrong with that, am i missing something?

>> No.6808944

>>6808922
>>6808931
ok then let me bring the other dubs

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6808947

>>6808921

Are... you for real?

Go talk to any, *any* doctor, and tell them your belief that memorizing things isn't *really* necessary for a good med student.

>> No.6808948

>>6808944
Fuck off.

>> No.6808956

>>6808948

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>>6808956

>> No.6808960

>>6808957
>>>6808948

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>>6808957

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>> No.6808966

>>6808956
>>6808957


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>>6808961

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>>6808966
>>6808965
>>6808961
>>6808960
>>6808957
>>6808956
>>6808948
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>>6808931
>>6808927
>>6808926
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>>6808833
>>6808831
>>6808819
>>6808815
>>6808811
>>6808811
>>6808811
Captcha: Rtarts

>> No.6808971

>>6808966
check em

>> No.6808974

>>6808947
memorization is important, but that post highlights the common "overdrive" that many people in memorization fields have. They focus so much on something that they don't actually take the time to think logically about what they are doing, hence the forgotten picture.

Memorization is also a tool that humans can easily be outclassed with by machines.

Anesthesiologists are about to be replaced by machines because they can do it better. Surgeons are now using robots for guiding, but even automated robots are being worked on as we speak. Public knowledge of medicine is now making it easier for the general population to understand their symptoms without going to a doctor.

Pretty soon, half the medical field will be easily replaceable. They will try to stop it, of course, but in the end I see a big change coming in 25 years.

But you know who won't be replaced soon? The critical thinkers, the researchers, the "idea people". The ones who understand, not memorize.

>> No.6808976

>>6808974

>> No.6808981

>>6808956
what have I done...

>> No.6808982

>>6808981

>> No.6808987

if dubs stem majors have to drop out of their courses

>> No.6808990

>>6808987
Check em'.

>> No.6808992

a cs prof told me about a girl who seemed to have memorized the whole script of the semester by heart but couldnt do shit with it. its like some medieval monk who learns to recite bible passages or something. completely superficial.

>> No.6808994

>>6808990
nubs, that is.

>> No.6808999

>>6808713
Truly sickening.
How dare they use tricks to memorize things!

>> No.6809000

>>6808922
>>6808944
3 > 2 is a true statement

>> No.6809001

>>6808999
I WANTED THOSE TRIPS YOU FAGGOT

>> No.6809003

>>6809001
I bet if you hadn't typed "faggot", you would have gotten >>6809000

>> No.6809008

>>6809003
irony is the cruelest form of punishment.

>> No.6809011

>>6809003
>>6809001


actually i'm certain : xx:59:59 and xx+1:00:00

>> No.6809019

>>6809011
Can I get?

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>>6808737

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>>6808999

>> No.6809055

>>6809029
sorry, but no

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>>6808773
and even those you can deduce from intuition once you have them mathematical maturity

>>6809008
pic related

>> No.6809076

>>6809066
Thanks Mr. Skeltal

>> No.6809079

>>6808974
>Doctors will be replaced. Critical thinkers will be safe.


It's hard to imagine a larger group of critical thinkers than doctors. I'm sorry you don't know any doctors well enough to be aware of this, but it's something easily remedied if you're willing to get to know one.

>Anesthesiologists are about to be replaced by machines.

Not unless the machines are better at critucal thinking. I agree that the decisions of the anesthesiolosts may soon be carried out by machines, but there's a big difference between making a tool that aids a doctor and replacing a doctor with a tool.

Public knowledge of medicine is almost universally terrible. What *is* on the rise is the general public believing they can know about as much as a doctor by reading a few web pages. The body is tremendously complicated, and so medicine is generally mysterious to the layman. This is why there is such a booming market for alternative medicine and herbal treatments; because although the data clearly shows them to be ineffective, for those who can't understand the data, it might as well not exist.

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>>6808737

Who would date chicks this retarded and common anyway

>> No.6809090

>>6809066
What's this new meme about?

>> No.6809103

>>6809088
people who want easy sex

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6809105

Man. I just want to learn things and just got factorization half way for some important steps regarding induction in calculus.

Deadline for homework is thursday and I am veeery tempted copying homework.
yet I know on the one hand that this is not honorable.
on the other hand....


I wanted to finish my major before I turn 30 and visit a whoretown to let out all the accumulated blue balls....

I am sure the tutor will not wish to help me at all to understand the steps...

>> No.6809108

>>6809105
Tell him exactly what you told us, and I think he'll help those balls of yours. I know I would.

>> No.6809121

>>6809079
Doctors are knowledgeable, not necessarily intelligent. They follow procedures. Of all the M.D.s in the world, it is the minority that is actually doing something new or innovative.

And I am afraid you misunderstood my point about anesthesiologists. Look up the sedasys machine. It is not that they are machines that help anesthesiologists, they replace them. With the machine, there doesn't need to be an anesthesiologist in the room. It works automatically be reading the patients vital to deliver the appropriate amount of medicine.

And while I agree that the majority of the public is uneducated, you cannot deny there are times when you can easily diagnose yourself and you only go to the doctor because you need them to verify, but most importantly write you a prescription.

>> No.6809172

>>6809121
>allowing the public to diagnose themselves
Your faith in humanity is inspirational.

>> No.6809204

>>6808783

>engineer
>wife

Lel

>> No.6809226

Yet another thread where /sci/ demonstrates their lack of knowledge outside of their field.

>> No.6809228

>>6808713
>Women to stupid to understand a subject so they have to memorize it
I don't see what you find so chocking here.

>> No.6809271

>>6809121
>Doctors are knowledgeable, not necessarily intelligent.

I don't believe you know very many doctors very well.

>Look up the sedasys machine.
It's a very impressive machine, approved for use in endoscopy and colonoscopy, and nowhere else.
>It'll just be a matter of time!
A very long time, if ever. Please close the medical news browser, and go out and talk to an actual, real-live anesthesiologist. They aren't worried about being replaced, and if you are willing to talk with one for five minutes, you'll walk away understanding why.

>you cannot deny there are times when you can easily diagnose yourself and you only go to the doctor because you need them to verify, but most importantly write you a prescription.

I wholeheartedly deny this.

Verify: to make sure something is true. You treat this as a last-step, frivolous thing. It isn't. There is a reason medicine doesn't start with the diagnosis and work backwards "just to check," and the reason is that by starting with nothing and working forward, less is overlooked or misinterpreted.

I mean no disrespect to you, because I can see that you write very intelligently, but I know that you have no medical background, because your opinions are not opinions one with any medical training can have. I would ask that you truly, truly, meet and come to know some doctors. They are much, much smarter than you are giving them credit here, and what they do is much much greater than you realize.

>> No.6809292

>>6808773
Not really, you at least have to remember definitions.

>> No.6809327

>>6809271
The sedasys machine has only recently gotten FDA approval. I assure you this realm of machines and robotics is going to grow immensely after this.

I completely agree that most doctors are not dumb, but to say they use their knowledge in innovative and meaningful ways is exaggerated.

Doctors do not have special information that they have access to that the public does not. It is possible to diagnose using webmd or whatever source you want to use, the only thing the doctor will have on you is more experience and better knowledge of what something could be without looking it up.

Maybe I am biased because I am in a field closely related to medicine and so I might be a bit more knowledgeable than the public, but the only thing that a doctor has access to I don't is the lab tests and equipment necessary to confirm or deny a diagnosis.

Maybe I should make it clear, when I say doctor, I am referring more to general practitioners, not surgeons. The experience a surgeon has is something one cannot make up through books and internet websites.

>> No.6809346

>>6809327
What field do you work in exactly?

>> No.6809356

i had a bunch of racist tricks remember stuff in uni
my friends were kind of shocked but they all got it right in the exame because of me
thanks /pol/

>> No.6809358

>>6809346
Doing my PhD in biological physics

>> No.6809366

>>6809327
>the only thing the doctor will have on you is more experience and better knowledge of what something could be without looking it up.

And really, when has that ever mattered?

>> No.6809374

>>6809366
The point is that a person could just as easily determine if they have strep throat as a doctor could given the known symptoms of the diseases, a way of observing their own throat, and the lab test equipment necessary to confirm a diagnosis.

>> No.6809400

>>6809374

>Hey, while it takes a professional to correctly diagnose the rarest and most dangerous illnesses, most people will just have common stuff. Let's just let all the people with common stuff diagnose themselves, and only send the people with rare and dangerous stuff to the doctors!

For uncommon illnesses to be diagnosed, all diagnosis must be done by those able to diagnose uncommon illnesses.

>> No.6809416

>>6809400
I agree. So if in my scenario the test came up negative for strep, and there was no obvious other disease,then they would go to a doctor for a more thorough diagnosis.

I hope you don't disagree that a GP's workflow is 99% well-known, well-documented diseases.

>> No.6809443

>>6809416

I think your understanding of diagnostic medicine is simplistic to the point of error. There is nothing more I can tell you other than to please, please, get to know a doctor. And I'm not suggesting you research doctors, or read a book written by a doctor, or watch a movie about a doctor, I'm suggesting you meet, speak with, and get to know an actual person that is a doctor, and then tell them everything you've told me.

>> No.6809451

>>6809443
If you want to tell me instead right now, I am all ears.

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>>6808802

>> No.6809462

>>6809451

No, I want you to go meet and get to know a doctor, in person, in your real, actual life. I want you to do that, because you've demonstrated here how very easy it is for you to ignore me and what I have to say, and I believe you'll have a more difficult time ignoring a real live person standing in front of you. Is my position clear?

>> No.6809472

>>6809462
First of all, I am not ignoring you, I am arguing with you. I am hearing everything you say and then responding.

Second, I take it you are either a doctor or have a close friend who is one. Why don't you just tell me what you want me to know. Specifically, tell me where my basis is off. I don't understand why I need to talk to someone in real life to understand what it is like to be a doctor.

>> No.6809473

>>6809271
>I'm right, trust me on this bra

gr8 argument 10/10

I for one know plenty of soon to be doctors and most of them are lacking severely critical thinking. Not nearly as terrible as [bullshit] studies people, of course, that's a whole different tier.

>> No.6809501

>>6809472

...

You know, you're absolutely right. Being a doctor is a straightforward job, it's mostly just following a system, and WebMD is just as good. There's really no need to meet one to know anything about them. Medical degrees are mostly a scam for medical schools to make money. Just use WebMD for all your medical needs from now on.

>>6809473

Yep, they're people that are able to memorize things really well. They don't deserve any respect in particular, and probably only care about money. Save your money and go to WebMD.

I'm out.

>> No.6809512

>>6809501
Again, you didn't actually say anything. You just attacked us.

Tell us what you want us to know about medicine and we will listen. No need to be so upset about it.

>> No.6809564

>>6808713
>premeds

>> No.6811871

>>6809512
I really hate to see that; but judging from this it's nearly impossible to have a meaningful discussion related to medicine or life sciences with a maths guy; autists just cant get what it out of their head that maths doesn't make you superior, nothing makes you superior for that matter, you are just better at some stuff.
And NO, you can't replace doctors with machines. I agree that some GP's are worthless but imagine replacing a surgeon with computer.