/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.6747388]

>chemists

[Anonymous No.6747391]

>chemists explaining simple concepts to retarded premeds

[Anonymous No.6747397]

Why do they do this?

[Anonymous No.6747405]

>>6747397
At first I thought this might be from a children's book; but I don't think they'd be teacher organic chemistry to children. Unless these children are in high-school.

Maybe it's some kind of those "science is cool!" books.

Or maybe it's a textbook for medical students.

[Anonymous No.6747420]

>>6747405
I am a med student and am 100% sure I am smarter than you. 4.0 GPA Math and Physics double major you dumb fucking bitch, suck my dick.

[Anonymous No.6747425]

>>6747420

Did you also graduate top of your class in the navy seals?

[Anonymous No.6747430]

>>6747425
No, but I did get a 43 on the MCAT. Trying to go for Rad Onc, you little shitlord. I'm going to be using my superior intellect to learn physics and cure cancer, nigger.

[Anonymous No.6747461]

>>6747430
I got a 45 on the MCAT with 0 hours of studying.

Lol.

[Anonymous No.6747468]

>>6747420
Provide transcript or didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.6747479]

ITT: undergrads waging a pissing war

[Anonymous No.6747495]

>>6747420
ok.

[Anonymous No.6747499]

>>6747405

Chemistry exams in medicine aren't exactly piss-easy. Expecially since you have at least 3 of them + various related ones for pharmacology

[Anonymous No.6747501]

>>6747388
Jesus, my fucking professor used a barrel of monkeys to explain polymers today.

[Anonymous No.6747506]

>>6747420

>he thinks grades are a measure of intelligence and not a measure of being a parrot

[Anonymous No.6747516]

>>6747499
Let's not pretend med students have to learn and understand organic chemistry.

[Anonymous No.6747538]

>>6747388
I've been saving this picture for too long

[Anonymous No.6747555]

>>6747388
>>6747405
I can't link because >muh blog filter but it's a confirmed children's/layman's book.

[Anonymous No.6747834]

>>6747420
I bet you think we're impressed by your IQ as well

[Anonymous No.6747846]

>>6747388

[Anonymous No.6747867]

>>6747420
Qualifications & bulk knowledge =/= intelligence
One good method of approximating intelligence is looking at concept linking improbability and speed.

By concept linking improbability, I mean seeing how elaborately or distantly concepts can have links made between them.

Two examples of improbable links:
"The reason you saw feathers in your room and angel wings in the sky was because the wind that would form that cloud patten would loosen the feathers of birds and cause them to seek shelter."

"You can't import this because the plastic is made from dinosaurs! Dinosaurs that are not native to New Zealand!"

The reason why I say concept linking improbability+speed is a good measure of intelligence is because it is strongly connected to creativity, recall, and logic; and it implies a decrease in the amount of learning someone has to do as it allows the on-demand bridging of larger gaps in knowledge.

It'd be quite something to have the person with the highest level of concept linking improbability+speed I know obtain the level of practice and bulk knowledge that I have. They'd be hilariously intelligent.
If I'm lucky, I'll be able to cause that addition to happen.

[Anonymous No.6747888]

>>6747405
what's wrong with that?
If this kind of analogy helps people understand the concepts of things like this, then I don't see anything wrong with it, maybe people would feel stupid or something when presented with childlike stuff in their study?

[Anonymous No.6747889]

>>6747430
>cure cancer
Then you're gonna find a cure for virus aren't you?

[Anonymous No.6748043]

>>6747867
>tfw you write the imageboard equivalent of an essay and nobody replies to even refute it

[Anonymous No.6748566]

>>6747388
You all need to study memory techniques, the more absurd a metaphor is the more you will remember it.

[Anonymous No.6749849]

>ITT
>People who can't into Hybridization of molecules with a sigma bond
>AKA those double and single bonds move around and the "monkey model" doesn't account for that and is shit as a result

[Anonymous No.6750059]

>>6747420
gr8 b8 m8

[Anonymous No.6750069]

Not gonna lie but the majority of chemistry books are shit

[Anonymous No.6750071]

>>6748043
That's what you get for no greentext

[Anonymous No.6750339]

>>6749849
>being an organic pleb

Inorganic master race.

[Anonymous No.6750341]

[Anonymous No.6750353]

>>6750341
/thread

[Anonymous No.6750354]

>>6750341
>philosophers
>not flipping burger
pick one

[Anonymous No.6750357]

>>6747846
>sensible chuckle

[Anonymous No.6750359]

>>6747499
>Expecially

[Anonymous No.6750361]

>>6747499
just because it's hard for you doesn't mean it's objectively hard compared to what real scientists have to study

[Anonymous No.6750374]

>>6750341
>>6750354
Fresh OC

[Anonymous No.6750382]

>>6750374

[Anonymous No.6750388]

A similar humorous depiction of benzene had appeared in 1886 in the Berichte der Durstigen Chemischen Gesellschaft (Journal of the Thirsty Chemical Society), a parody of the Berichte der Deutschen Chemischen Gesellschaft, only the parody had monkeys seizing each other in a circle, rather than snakes as in Kekulé's anecdote.[8] Some historians have suggested that the parody was a lampoon of the snake anecdote, possibly already well-known through oral transmission even if it had not yet appeared in print.[9] Others have speculated that Kekulé's story in 1890 was a re-parody of the monkey spoof, and was a mere invention rather than a recollection of an event in his life.

[Anonymous No.6750391]

>>6750382
>>6750374
Couldn't think of anything for chemists :(

[Anonymous No.6750393]

>>6750391
:^)

[Anonymous No.6750397]

>>6750391
Dunno where you'd put it on the line but you could have comp sci/programmers with;
"I was a little bit too impressed when I discovered you can write 'BOOBS' on a calculator"

[Anonymous No.6750401]

>>6750391
>chemistry
[hand-waving intensifies]

[Codey No.6750403]

nope.

[Codey No.6750404]

Alice's adventures in molecular biology

[Anonymous No.6750407]

>>6747405

gee i wonder if i could use http://www.google.com/search/engine/free+public+search+the+internet and type in the words (monkey benzene) ???

that sure would be hard and take a long time, better not try it

probably won't work anyway

[Codey No.6750408]

[Anonymous No.6750493]

Now it's complete.

[Anonymous No.6750527]

>>6750391
Do you have the "you can't know that you know nothing" picture? You should post it

[Anonymous No.6750531]

>>6750527
It's quite poorly drawn, you might as well draw your own. But yes, I do indeed posses it.

[me !zZBS1a/.Yg No.6750540]

>>6750527
Here you go pic as requested.
>>6750531
You ain't me fag why you impersonatin? Gawd

[Anonymous No.6750542]

>>6747430
>says he has a 4.0 GPA
>thinks cancer can be cured

[Anonymous No.6750568]

>>6750542
>thinks in 200 years we wont have a scanner that removes the need for biopsy, detects cancer, and creates specific proteins to fix DNA.

[Anonymous No.6750614]

>chem undergrad
>currently in o-chem
>95% of people are there for pre-something
>4% of people are smug as fuck chem-e fags who sit in the row in front of me and complain about their cal 2 class
>me and one other person just getting a general chemistry degree

Why are pre-everything students so bitchy and annoying?

[Anonymous No.6750654]

>>6750614
They don't give a shit about any of the subject matter, they won't be studying any of it in any detail, and they're more concerned about having a successful career than learning anything, they are basically viewing their undergrad education and all the knowledge in it as a means to an end where the most important thing is good grades rather than an end in itself. Also because they're motivated by career success rather than genuine interest they are much more likely to be not that bright and not really cut out for the field.

[Anonymous No.6750991]

>>6747420
ooh ooh can this be the
>What the fuck did you fucking say about me you little bitch?
for /sci/?

[Anonymous No.6750993]

>>6747388
How do you explain aromaticity using monkeys?

[Anonymous No.6750997]

>>6750991

It's

> What the fuck did you just say about me you little bitch?

, you illiterate cunt.

[Anonymous No.6751005]

>>6750993

They usually smell bad = high aromaticity.

[Anonymous No.6751009]

>>6751005
I was considering a cloud of flies shared among all the monkeys

[Anonymous No.6751103]

>>6747867
How could one improve their ability to make good connections?

[Anonymous No.6751110]

>>6747506

keep telling yourself that you're REALLY smart but get bad grades only because you don't try! :)

[Anonymous No.6751249]

>>6750997
>What the fuck did you just fucking liked about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I will graduate top of my class, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret highschool contests, and I have read over 300 books. I am trained in mathematical techniques and I’m the top problem solver in the entire highschool. You are nothing to me but just another problem. I will solve you the fuck out of you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with doing that shit to me? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of researchers across Europe and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can take care of your girl in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in MOBA style combat, but I have access to the entire archive of all the ISI rated science magazines and journals and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever scheme” was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit knowledge all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

replace highschool, with university, I just started twelfth grade

[Anonymous No.6751711]

>chemist smuggery thread
>on /sci/
Oh boy...

[Anonymous No.6751729]

>>6751103
Probably by getting into the habit of using their subconscious for complex rational thinking.

[Anonymous No.6751825]

>>6751729

And how would you do that? Unless you mean just trusting your unconscious mind, but that goes without saying.

[Anonymous No.6751907]

>>6750397
That's perfect.

[Anonymous No.6751915]

>>6747846
I'm calling benzine Monkey O's from now on.

[Anonymous No.6751918]

Chemistry is fun

[Anonymous No.6751919]

>>6747430
I like how you're implying finding a cure for cancer is equal in value to learning physics.

[Anonymous No.6751940]

>>6750614
The best part of being a smug as fuck chem-e undergrad was watching the chemfags stew in their impotent jealous rage.

Thank you for continuing this tradition.

[Anonymous No.6751961]

>>6750542
>implying
The only reason that so little was understood of it was because the in-vitro tests since forever (until recently) were not relevant to in vivo at all.

It took way too long for biologists to realize that studying cell-matrix interactions in 2D matrices is retarded. We're understanding better how metastasis is induced by matrix conditions, and with this understanding, it'll be clear on how to prevent metastasis from occurring. We can already kill the cancer cells, and it's just the issue of it coming back which will be solved eventually since there is a clear direction now.

[Anonymous No.6751982]

>>6751919
You're right, learning physics is much more important.

[Anonymous No.6752027]

>>6751825
I'm quite interested in this as well.

[Anonymous No.6752034]

>>6750614
So you're university doesn't have two different tracks for organic courses, one for (chem/chemE) majors and one for non-majors (premed central, they are usually MCB or IB majors)?

[Anonymous No.6752035]

>>6747388
Monkey is alchemical symbol of carbon, and banana is alchemical symbol of hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.6752038]

>>6752035
that's unfortunate, we use bananas for something else

[Anonymous No.6752049]

>>6750382
this got me so good

[Anonymous No.6752064]

>>6752034
I feel sorry for professors that get stuck with the pre-med O-chem track. My research adviser got stuck with it last semester and her office hours were swarmed with crying pre-meds trying to convince her to bump up their grades or pass them after they performed terribly on an exam.

[Anonymous No.6752068]

>>6751982

Riiiight, SURELY wasting your life on trying to discover something new that could potentially help some people some time later is better than learning about how the Universe works and dying understanding as much as possible about the world you've just lived in. Pathetic altruists.

[Anonymous No.6752079]

>>6752064

That's why only people with strong will should teach retards. When you higher premed's grades you are risking letting another incompetent idiot into the outside world as A DOCTOR. That applies to any appliedy, if to somewhat lesser extent.

[Anonymous No.6752082]

>>6752034
>you're
unintentionally, I fugged it up

>>6752064
>I feel sorry for professors that get stuck with the pre-med O-chem track.
Old timers take one for the team (the rest of the department) and give no fucks. First day of class, Vollhardt told 500 kids not to email him, right after most of them shelled out for the latest edition of his book.

[Anonymous No.6752128]

>>6750382

"Why would you like fries with that?"

[Anonymous No.6752138]

>>6750614
My school has two separate orgo courses, one for chemistry majors and one for everyone else.

In some ways it's really nice, but in other ways, the only attractive chem majors I've ever met are also premeds.

[Anonymous No.6752237]

>>6752128

What a retarded dumb cunt drawing of a picture. Set contains it's element by definition.

[dorkmatter !!/2hd7YPgtGw No.6752313]

>>6747420
Not smart enough to avoid getting pissed off by a random internet comment. Come on man, I'm sure you are actually a really smart guy with a lot going for you, why worry about this stuff?

[Anonymous No.6752364]

>>6752313
Are you another med stud?

[Anonymous No.6752365]

>>6747846
wouldve been clever if you hadnt of typed-oed

shouldve been carbons.

[Anonymous No.6752458]

>>6752237
>he doesnt get it
prove it

[Anonymous No.6752538]

>>6751915
>monkey-oyl is now my favorite functional g

[Anonymous No.6752547]

>>6747420
thanks for those lies

[Anonymous No.6752553]

>>6750341

[Anonymous No.6752557]

>>6749849
>double and single bonds move around
oversimplification. resonance is a delocalization of pi electron density across the whole resonance structure, the single and double bonds of individual resonance contributors do not actually exist in such configuration

[Anonymous No.6752567]

>>6750568
>thinks treatment = cure

[Anonymous No.6752570]

>>6750614
>Why do I let other people's choice of major make me feel inferior and resentful?
fixed that for ya

[Anonymous No.6752579]

>>6752237
let's see the formal proof

[Anonymous No.6752582]

>>6747430
hahahaha med student fag!

Let the dick measuring commence!

I am in my 2nd year of math grad school. I am confident I could rape your medical asshole in all things math and science.

Also, medfags are not like pure /sci/entists. You guys purely go for raw facts, details, and study for hours simply for GPA so you can get good residency. A true /sci/fag doesnt give a fuck about GPA, mostly because once you truly understand the mechanisms of science, you dont have to study or rewrite your notes for the 15th time to remember it. You will definitely make more money in the long run, and will have tons more respect from the average person, but one day you will realize that you never developed a connection to science at a personal level. Compounds are nothing more than chemicals to you.

Also, for every 100 med students that says "muh cure for cancer", there are about 0 who actually make a difference on the oncology front. Have fun holding up fat americans FUPA while operating on their hernias for the next 40 years!

[Anonymous No.6752645]

>>6752567
>99.9% success rate
>modifies malignant dna preventing recurrence
>not a cure
ok

[Anonymous No.6752654]

>>6752582
> Have fun holding up fat americans FUPA while operating on their hernias for the next 40 years!

Basically the one reason I didnt choose med school.
I would end up hating every fat, whiny, two faced, backwards fuck on the planet.

[Anonymous No.6752659]

>>6752582
What's the difference between a doctor, a couch, a large pizza and a math phd?

The first 3 can support a family.

[Anonymous No.6752680]

>>6752659
And the last one gets a job starting at $300k.

[Anonymous No.6752687]

>>6752659
>he thinks math phD's don't make any money

[Anonymous No.6752689]

>>6752659

Also: the first three are for plebs.

[Anonymous No.6752693]

>>6752680
>>6752687
I don't see how can a math phd be employed outside academia or finance.

[Anonymous No.6752731]

>>6752645
>doesn't actually prevent cancer
cool cure bro

[Anonymous No.6752734]

>>6752693
Then you're an idiot

A math Ph.D. is top-level certification for problem solving ability. If you don't see how problem solving skills are useful, you are not very aware

[Anonymous No.6752737]

>>6752693
It does not matter that a mathematics Ph.D. is useless; they still make much money.

>>6752734
lolwut
When has a mathematician solved an important real world problem?

[Anonymous No.6752745]

>>6752731
Definition of CURE
1
: recovery from a disease -his cure was complete-; also : remission of signs or symptoms of a disease especially during a prolonged period of observation -a clinical cure- -5-year cure of cancer-—compare arrest
2
: a drug, treatment, regimen, or other agency that cures a disease -quinine is a cure for malaria-

Nice cognitive faculties bro.

inb4 "english isnt my first language"

[Anonymous No.6752753]

>>6752737
>living in 2014
>thinking the modern world and technology just came out

[Anonymous No.6752757]

>>6752745
>using the dictionary definition as an argument
>LOOK AT MY TAUTOLOGY
lol, do you even logic bro

[Anonymous No.6752760]

>>6752737
>When has a mathematician solved an important real-world problem?
ITP: technology isn't part of the real world

[Anonymous No.6752768]

>>6752753
>>6752760
No, anon.
No.
Those were physicists, engineers and computer scientists, not mathematicians.
But nice try.
:)))))))))))))))

[Anonymous No.6752769]

>>6752757
>TAUTOLOGY
Meh,
you blew it at the end.
Overall I give a 6.5/10

[Anonymous No.6752779]

>>6752768
>physicists, engineers, and computer scientists don't use math
Go on, tell me more.

[Anonymous No.6752782]

>>6752779
>Not being a mathematics Ph.D. means you do not use mathematics.
No, you first. I insist.

[Anonymous No.6752784]

>>6752769
>Oh shit I've been called out for my shitty argument
>quick, pretend they're trolling and leave the thread

[Anonymous No.6752786]

>>6752782
Wow, you're retarded. It's clear that you don't understand what is being said here at all

[Anonymous No.6752788]

>>6752782
what

nobody said nor implied that you mong

[Anonymous No.6752798]

;^) ;^) ;^)

[Anonymous No.6752808]

>>6752782
Yes, that greentext adequately sums up your retarded position. Thank you for that.

[Anonymous No.6752824]

Chemistry was easy for my autist self. It's just memorization. If you really want flex your brain muscles, take a fucking course in thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.6752851]

>>6752824
That is piss easy faggot. Try electromagnetism.

[Anonymous No.6752861]

>>6752851
>Identify system
>apply maxwell's laws
>profit

real hard

[Anonymous No.6752870]

>>6747420
You still suck at life hence you being here.

[Anonymous No.6752885]

>>6752861
>Identify system
>look if your answer is negative or positive
>profit
Complex Concept != Complex math.

[Anonymous No.6752926]

>>6752824
Not a hard problem, but that hand writing is fucking atrocious, hence making it seem harder than it is.

[Anonymous No.6752954]

>>6752885
This guy with his two fucking potential functions thinks that the second part of the physics series is difficult. Electromagnetics wasn't even the hardest course I took that quarter.

At least modern physics requires some unconventional thinking

[Anonymous No.6752958]

>>6752954
You expect me to be able to read DAT shit nigga. Damn that is terrible penmanship.

[Anonymous No.6752966]

>>6752954

Was the person writing constantly electroshocked?

[Anonymous No.6753013]

>>6752954
>thermodynamics
>hard
it's literally arithmetic tier

[Anonymous No.6753020]

>>6752824
>It's just memorization.
what

I do well in Chemistry but I absolutely loathe Biology because that is literally just memorization.

[Anonymous No.6753032]

>>6753013
> taking a gen physics class and thinking you understand thermo

[Vincentian No.6753043]

>>6753020
What branch specifically?

[Anonymous No.6753045]

>>6753032
who says you need to understand thermo

You can get an A in it without understanding shit, and that's all what pre-shit cares.

[Anonymous No.6753054]

>>6752824
>thermodynamics
>difficult
nigga it's mostly algebra

[Anonymous No.6753057]

>>6752824
>chemistry
>memorization

[Anonymous No.6753059]

>>6753032
>no it's more complicated
>i just can't explain how

[Anonymous No.6753065]

>>6753059
I could.
Why should I?

look up:
Maxwell relations
Natural Convection
real gases.

that should get you started.

[Anonymous No.6753068]

>>6753043
Organic I guess (beyond having to remember stupid textbook reagents which are not actually practical, but this eventually becomes natural with synthesis practice). Inorganic is cool too.

Analytical was probably as much memorization as biology, but I wasn't too bothered by it since it's all intuitive applications of chemistry.

Thermodynamics was pretty intuitive too, but I took the easier courses that's more focused on biological systems (i.e. ligand binding).

[Anonymous No.6753075]

>>6753065
>concepts that are easily derived from concepts in gen. physics
lol, looks like you're dumb

[Vincentian No.6753081]

>>6753068
I was actually asking about the Biology,in my experience
the memorization goes like this.

1.Anatomy
2.Zoology
3.Ecology

***Power gap***

782. Genetics
783. Molecular
784. Biochemistry
785 Bioinformatics

[Anonymous No.6753082]

>>6753075
> muh experimental correction factor is good enough
if you say so.

[Anonymous No.6753099]

>>6753081
right I had to take general biology in the first year so even though it was easy, I really hated it.

Biochem looked like a shit ton of memorizing too (usually classes start out with the prof intimidating the students with the Roche chart), but the classes I took were nice because it was focused more on concepts and understanding.

Anatomy is definitely a pain though. It's one thing to understand the relevance and function of an organ, but it's another to ask what the joint connecting this and that was called, fuck that seriously. That's what a reference book is for.

[Anonymous No.6753102]

>>6753099
>Branches of the maxillary artery

I could not fucking care less. Fuck the human head.

[Anonymous No.6753130]

>>6752824

chemistry 101 is definitely memorization, but higher Chem will kill you if you just memorize.

[Vincentian No.6753137]

>>6753099
>Roche chart
Man I fucking loved that chart, Biochem is the bastard offspring
In one class you get Bioenergetics (physical chem) in the other
its Anatomy/Molecular

>You need to know these 18 cell receptors, their agonists, antagonists, ions
and specific diseases linked to each receptor Mr. Anonson.

>mfw

[Anonymous No.6753151]

>>6752824
>just memorizing O-chem

This is the reason so many people think its "hard"

[Anonymous No.6753166]

>>6753151
If only the parts that required critical thinking made up more than a small portion of the material. I mean, determining the relative nucleophilicity of reagents depending on the solvent isn't exactly hard.

[Anonymous No.6753167]

>>6753151
there's only so much about understanding electron-pushing

You still need to memorize all the reagents you can use. I got fucked over in organic synthesis because of that, I understood I needed to do this and that with retrosynthesis but I forgot the reagents and catalysts I needed for some steps.

I guess the saving grace is that the prof didn't care if you used a reagent that only gives a 1% yield.

[Anonymous No.6753181]

>be bad at math, not because I'm stupid but because I find it boring
>all decent majors require knowledge of math

Fuck this gay earth

[Anonymous No.6753192]

>>6752693

go to monster.com and search "analyst" every job you see can be done by a math phd

[Anonymous No.6753193]

>>6753181
I actually think I liked math as a child, but I never did well in it because I always ran out of time during tests even though the questions that I did do were done correct.

So I just didn't want to go through that pain anymore considering University is basically marks marks marks. Even though people who graduate will tell you no one will care about your grades, they're exactly what you need to net an interview into whatever you want to get into in the first place.

[Anonymous No.6753242]

>>6747388
Relevant pic

[Anonymous No.6753253]

>>6753242
>Unicorns and Dragons don't exist

The author obviously didn't read the real final authority: The King James Bible.

[Anonymous No.6753254]

>>6751825
Dunno.
I need more experience with people who have the ability at a high level.

[Anonymous No.6753263]

>>6753242
Should be properly rotated now.

[Anonymous No.6753267]

>>6753181
>Do terrible at Algebra but scape by
>Good in Quantitative analysis
>Kicking ass in physics and electronics.
Damn American primary schools math teachers

[Anonymous No.6753433]

>>6747420
But the Internet knows more than you ever will and it's not even conscious. Nice memorization though.

[Anonymous No.6753457]

>>6747388
This is just the story of Kekulé discovering ring structured molecules what the fuck is wrong with you people.

[Anonymous No.6753458]

>>6747420
>Double major in Math and Physics

What are you planning to do with those? I hope you're getting your PhD in one of them because they are completely worthless without a minor in something useful unless you want to be a high school teacher.

[Anonymous No.6753532]

>>6753458
I'm a med student breh. I studied them for fun, and to sharpen my mind.

[Anonymous No.6753581]

> this thread is massively popular

[Anonymous No.6753598]

>>6747506

look at him. He's such a rebel. Johnny Rotten, eat your heart out

[Anonymous No.6754645]

>>6752768
comp sci dudes are pretty much people who do applied mathematics

[Anonymous No.6754711]

>>6752237
That is not a proof

[Anonymous No.6755454]

>>6752237

Thing is - you have to prove it.

[Anonymous No.6756309]

>>6752237
Certainly, but you see, you cannot, formally speaking, prove it, mate.

[Anonymous No.6756713]

>>6756309
>>6755454
>>6754711

u math guys dont make any sense is swar to god ytou jus make up fancy wors to try an sound all smart n shit.

Organic chemistry master race, btw. Hand-waving 4 lyf3.

[Anonymous No.6756809]

>>6756713

> 4 lyf3.

W0t was that?

[Anonymous No.6756904]

>>6756713
Ochem is easy as fuck, sit down son

[Anonymous No.6756950]

>>6752689
>ee are for plebs.
Fuck off, pizza is delicious.

[Anonymous No.6757629]

>>6747388
haha lol

[Anonymous No.6757822]

>>6756904

I think you mean "undergraduate organic classes are easy as fuck."

[Anonymous No.6757916]

>>6753263
what text is this from? I swear I think i've seen it before

[Anonymous No.6757936]

>>6747430
>I'm going to cure cancer

So you're going to cure yourself?
#BTFO

[Anonymous No.6757940]

>>6747425
>>6747468
>>6747495
>>6747506
>>6747834
>>6747867
>>6750059
>>6750991
>>6752313
>>6752547
>>6752870
>>6753433
>>6753458
>/sci/ in charge of not getting trolled

not him

[Anonymous No.6758263]

>>6757916
Bruice.

[Anonymous No.6758276]

>>6747506
This is actually true... You pass tests by memorizing facts and formulas that you HAVE to have seen before. Even geniuses like Einstein would flunk if he'd never in his entire life been introduced to what an atom is etc.

I think there needs to be tests to measure the ability to answer questions which don't require you to have memorized something. I'm fond of the IQ-test style "which is the most similar?" questions where you're given shapes and symbols etc.

[Anonymous No.6758304]

>>6757822
Chemistry in general is easy at all levels

Improve your schemas, bitch

[Anonymous No.6758335]

>>6758304

I admit. Total synthesis, DFT, XRD, and modeling are easy.....once you've been doing it daily for 10+ years.

[Anonymous No.6758342]

>>6758304
Chemistry is the hardest for me... But that's probably because I found it fucking boring and couldn't be bothered to revise or do homework or listen to the lecture or take notes.

Come to think of it, they kicked me out of my chemistry class in high school for drawing "Josef Fritzl's playhouse" in my book.

[Anonymous No.6758353]

>>6758335
or if you're not a fucking retard

the concepts in chemistry are dead simple and practically self-evident, only an idiot wouldn't understand them

[Anonymous No.6758358]

>>6758342
>no really I swear I'm not dumb I'm just lazy
yeah, keep telling yourself that

[Anonymous No.6758362]

>>6758353
>the concepts in chemistry are dead simple and practically self-evident, only an idiot wouldn't understand them

Even modern physics is more straightforward than *general chemistry* (first semester survey is what I refer to). Explaining the concepts of force, torque, and inertia takes little effort compared to explaining why the spherical harmonics are good models for the simplified atomic orbitals and why we can isolate frequencies and study their intensities (early spectroscopy, looking at the sun's sodium lines, etc)

[Anonymous No.6758368]

>>6758358
That's ignorant... I'm on the gifted register. I got an A* in biology and physics.

[Anonymous No.6758377]

>>6758368
>Mommy said I'm smart. Look at how good a boy I am!

[Anonymous No.6758449]

>all these faggots who don't know about Kekule's dream
are you guys american or something?

[Anonymous No.6758465]

The father of organic chemistry dreamed of the daisy chain with monkeys this is part of history

[Anonymous No.6758478]

the guy who conceived the idea of organic chemistry dreamed of these monkeys

[Anonymous No.6758482]

Now you're just making stuff up. Next time you'll say Mendeleev just dreamed up his table.

[Anonymous No.6758497]

>>6758482
Haha he did though, I assume you knew that and were making a joke and it isn't a massive coincidence.

[Anonymous No.6758523]

>>6758497

Any evidence? Thought so.

[Anonymous No.6758636]

>>6758478
>implying organic chemistry wasn't spawned when Friedrich Wöhler synthesized the first natural product (urea) in 1828

[Anonymous No.6758641]

>>6758636
I think benzene rings have more application than synthesis of an organic compound.

[Anonymous No.6758652]

>>6758641
Prior to 1828, it was believed that you couldn't synthesize organic compounds from inorganic sources. Wohler proved everybody wrong and spawned a field (organic synthesis) that has invented numerous synthethic technologies with incredible uses in pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, food, plastics, and other fields. There is *no* way benzene and its structure has been more applicable than those technologies as a whole, although synthetic modficiation of aromatics/biaryls has been a big part of organic synthesis.

Benzene in the late 1800s represented a significant problem in physical organic chemistry because of its abnormal bonding and consequent stability (aromaticity). Aromaticity and its true underpinnings are still of some physical interest, but aromaticity is fairy well-understood these days.

[Anonymous No.6758802]

>>6752128
That's the most retardedly trivial thing to prove. Fuck xkcd.

[Anonymous No.6758804]

>>6752458
>>6752579
>>6754711
Let X be a set.
For all x elements of X, x is an element of X.
For all x not elements of X, x is not an element of X.
QED.

It follows directly from the fucking Axioms you impossible faggots. Jesus Christ you can not be this retarded.

[Anonymous No.6758837]

>>6758362
Modern physics is indeed more simple than chemistry.

Thing is, though, they're both dead easy, and if you actually have to put forth effort to understand the concepts, you're a fucking idiot. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.6758841]

>>6758802
Prove it, then.

Friendly reminder that tautology is not proof.

[Anonymous No.6758843]

>>6758804
Circular reasoning, not valid

>For all x elements of X, x is an element of X
>For all x not elements of X, x is not an element of X
In both of these statements, the second half is just a rephrasing of something presupposed in the first half.

Besides which, this is not a formal proof, and thus you have not provided sufficient proof according to mathematics.

[Anonymous No.6758851]

>>6758843
If you don't know how an implication works, just get the fuck out.
The first part is an assumption. You don't prove assumptions. The second half follows from the assumption.
This is an exhaustive proof by cases.

Nigger I really hope I'm being trolled.

[Anonymous No.6758852]

>>6758841
Friendly reminder that you wouldn't know a proof if it banged ur mum m8

[Anonymous No.6758893]

>>6758851
This is in no way a formal proof. Without a formal proof, it's just worthless conjecture.

If you don't know how mathematics works, just get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.6758961]

>>6758893
>It doesn't have symbols, so it's not formal.
Okay, good to know i was being trolled after all.

[Anonymous No.6760116]

So do monkeys have hands on their legs, or feet?

[Anonymous No.6760157]

>>6760116

Are you blind?

[Anonymous No.6760177]

>>6747846

I had a bit of a giggle

[Anonymous No.6760183]

>>6750614

Idk man, I'm doing pharmacy, and taking gen chem as a prereq. I'm good at chem, its pretty easy, and its interesting as fuck, never bitch or anything man, if anything I'm not going to classes and dropping tabs or snorting coke. College life sucka

[Anonymous No.6760190]

>>6752824

Fuck you this is easy as piss

[Anonymous No.6760191]

>>6753057
>no indication of what that is supposed to mean
>fuck communication, if people dont understand me its because they are dumb

[Anonymous No.6760199]

>>6752693
>I don't see how can a math phd be employed outside academia or finance.

>Finance

>I don't see how can a math phd be employed outside the most lucrative field?

Yeah I don't know either Anon.

[Anonymous No.6761020]

>>6758465
>>6758478
He (Kekule) dreamed of a snake bitting his own tail, the tale about the monkeys is satirizing him.

[Anonymous No.6761347]

>>6761020

I wouldn't be able to satire that subtly a person who had a tail.

[Anonymous No.6761723]

This board is where I belong
>inb4 newfag detected

[Anonymous No.6761903]

>>6761347

What the fuck?


Why hasn't this thread slipped off of page 10 yet

[Anonymous No.6761920]

>>6747461
I got a 200 on the mcat with -12 hours of studying suck my dick

[Anonymous No.6761922]

>>6747461
my dad works at mcat and he ups my score for me. no you can't look at my certificate because then my dad would get in trouble.

[Anonymous No.6762727]

>>6747867
Do you have an email or means of contact?

[Anonymous No.6763275]

>>6761903
Because /sci/ very deeply knows that they were too dumb for chemistry, that's why they just dismiss it as just being "memorization".

If you try to memorize the infinite amounts of compounds, molecules, synthesis, processes, etc. of chemistry, you'll turn clinically insane. The truth is chemistry is hard because you have to master the theory from the very bottom to understand the most complex concepts.

You'd be surprised how many people right here in /sci/ don't understand orbital hybridization.

[Anonymous No.6763374]

>>6750614
high five m8, also in orgo right now.

Literally we're almost at test 1/3 and all we have learned about is alkanes and cycloalkanes, like I knew about this shit before coming into class.

[Anonymous No.6763379]

>>6752824
lol I did this shit in chem 101

[Anonymous No.6763384]

>>6758961
But that's true.

A formal proof is so named because there is a specific FORM for the proof. If it's not represented by practical symbolic logic, it's not a formal proof.

[Anonymous No.6763385]

>>6760191
>a picture of a man laughing next to the words "chemistry" and "memorization"
>halp wat does this mean also how do I tie my shoes it's my first day of kindergarten

[Anonymous No.6763396]

>>6763275
This. Passing chem by memorization is a fool's errand.

That said, I cannot agree that chemistry is hard in any sense. It saddens me to think that people on /sci/ don't understand orbital hybridization. Chemistry concepts are in no way difficult to grasp with the application of just slight effort.

[Anonymous No.6763409]

>>6763275
>chemists
>put the semen sample in the dna machine, press button
>engineers
>building shit that work under non-ideal conditions, uses cutting edge technology, and actually make plans
>implying a walking cookbook is any way superior to a sapient being

[Anonymous No.6763415]

>>6763409
>doesn't even describe chemistry correctly
You just described a microbiologist, friendo.

While engineers build shit based on completely known information and work within the limits of human knowledge, chemists are on the bleeding edge of the unknown creating entirely new things. Where do you think graphene came from? An engineer doesn't have the skill in chemistry to figure such a thing out.

Scientists discover things. Engineers apply those discoveries. Engineering would be nothing without science.

[Anonymous No.6763960]

>>6763415

Technically speaking engineers do discover new information - information about how we can apply our theoretical knowledge in technology. What matters is the quality, if I may, of this knowledge. And if we are to associate a rank of innovation to every piece of new information, engineers would be many ranks lower, than scientists. But they are undoubtedly needed in our society - in fact, retarded humanities, who are in charge of STEM financing, see more use in engineering, than in science. Overall, engineer is a good job, if only it wasn't for that sucking cocks thing, I wouldn't mind joining.

[Anonymous No.6763980]

who /neuroscience/ here?

[Anonymous No.6764022]

>>6747846

[Anonymous No.6764029]

>>6747846

[Anonymous No.6764038]

>>6763415
You get it.

Nanotechnology is being developed by chemists and to a lesser extent by physicists, but mostly chemists. Nanotubes, fullerenes and graphene are all being researched and developed in chemistry labs around all the world.

Meanwhile, physicists are too busy debating on whether or not the universe is made up of little strings, and mathematicians are just messing around with proves that only physicists will ever use.

[Anonymous No.6764053]

>>6747420
That's laughable. I'm the holder of three PhDs of Physics, Chemistry, Biology in which I was the top student at Harvard, John Hopkins, Stanford, and MIT. 4.0 GPA is a prerequisite and shouldn't need to be mentioned as your class rank matters infinity more but you should have done your research to realize that. Oh, and your double bachelors is useless. I'm also a practicing Neurosurgeon on my leisure time and earned a 45 on my MCAT. Now, you suck my dick.

oh, and I did the Navy SEAL thing when I was a teenager. It wasn't stimulating enough for me so I left after my first enlistment.

[Anonymous No.6764065]

>>6764038
>proves
proofs

[Anonymous No.6764084]

>>6764029
underrated

[Anonymous No.6764105]

>>6752824
thermodynamics is easy too. the only difficult part is you keep forgetting all the statistical physics because you never need them outside thermodynamics. i would say (non-engineering) math courses are the most difficult, as rarely the textbook has an example of every proof you are required to prove in the exam.

[Anonymous No.6764133]

>>6752458
>>6752579
>>6754711
>>6755454
>>6756309
Lol fags. When something is true by definition it cannot logically be false, since the starting premises require it to be true. This isn't even a mathematical problem anymore, it's a logical/grammatical one. A set of elements HAS to contain what it contains because the question itself presumes the set can contain elements.

[Anonymous No.6764256]

>>6764133
Without justification, definition is unsupported and thus bunk,

[Anonymous No.6764424]

>>6764053
>posts like an ass
>i is better

[Anonymous No.6764721]

>>6747420
Chemist here. As I was a bio-organic chemist I took a couple of graduate courses from the pharmacy department, with mostly pharmacy students. I can say without a doubt that they were fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.6764742]

>>6758802
Not xkcd.

[Anonymous No.6764967]

>>6764256
Definition doesn't require justification. It's just what ties the word to the concept it represents.

[Anonymous No.6764969]

>>6764742
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that on xkcd. Or was it smbc?

[Anonymous No.6765323]

>>6764022

Monkeys have white balls?

[Anonymous No.6765372]

>>6764969
SMBC

[Anonymous No.6765406]

>>6763415
What about Chemical Engineers?

[Anonymous No.6765794]

>>6765406
Chemical engineers do very little actual chemistry and produce no scientific discoveries

[Anonymous No.6766171]

>>6752553
You got a problem with Qualia, m8?

[Anonymous No.6766253]

>>6747420

>Med student
>math and physics double major

Pick one.

[Anonymous No.6766625]

>>6747388
After seeing some of the people in my ochem class, I'm not surprised.

[Anonymous No.6766663]

>>6765794
>People actually believe this
Chemical engineers work in just about everything related to chemistry, especially in academia and R&D. It's not uncommon to find professors with chemical engineering backgrounds in chemistry, biochemistry, materials, physical/computational chemistry, pharmacology and nanotech departments. It all depends on where you take it.

The ones who do little chemistry and produce no scientific discoveries are the subset of chemical engineers who work as field engineers, directly operating and maintaining equipment.

[Anonymous No.6767511]

>>6766663
If this were actually true, we wouldn't have scores of chem e grads complaining about how they never do chemistry. the major is even being renamed process engineering in many institutions to reflect this.

what people decide to teach after they abandon industry is not relevant to the career prospects of the specialization